Vaporbrothers VB2

lazylightning

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Hello, this can help explain what you've seen. First about the electronics in the base.

The base: VB2.0's startup cycle flashes the green lights for 10 seconds, then they tick on and off for 3 minutes. Once the lights shine continuously the unit is ready to dab off of. If your VB2.0 does not flash, tell us.

The heaters half burning out: VB2.0 should burn the ceramic disc back to pure white after about 10-20 minutes at high setting. If your dabs spread out and turn black, then don't clean back to white, one of the two ceramic heaters has broken and you need to replace the heater assembly.

Why heaters crack: To reach the temperatures we need for the Leidenfrost effect the heater's ceramic material is under internal stress. It's very similar to ceramic nails.. A crack in the wrong spot causes air to reach the heating track inside and it burns up, creating the little lightening effect. This happens in all ceramic heaters built this way, from vape pen donuts or enails that use these thin flat heaters.

We've studied this cause of failure for 10 years, since the time we adapted them for VB1. We pushed the expected lifetime of VB1 over 10 years and hope to do the same with VB2. VB2's are lasting some users well over 2 years, and others sometimes a month, which has us very busy looking for answers.

The internal stress I mention is a strong push & pull set up by difference in temperature between the hot central regions and the edges. The material is the most strong and dense we know, so we can't increase its strength. We have all sorts of ways to decrease the stress, and have figured out all sorts of ways over the last 10 years. For VB2.0, we created a sandwich of 2 ceramic heaters with a solid slab of nickel metal between. The nickel helps spread out the heat (and does not break down over time like Ti). Both heaters work at half power, which helps them last a lot longer.

So... if you see the lightening effect- it's probably a micro crack in the heater. Any time you get a new heater or send your unit for the free service we give you our latest embodiment.

If your base (the electronics) fail again we're going to try to send you a new one as we did the heaters. Progress...

Fyi, the ceramic potting (the part that fell off your contacts) is an improvement intended to decrease corrosion of the nickel brought on by oxygen & heat. Losing those won't cause a problem like shorting or arcing.

Linus


Thank you so much for all the information! On average I've been replacing 2-3 heaters per week so I'd certainly welcome any improvements in heater longevity. I'll continue sharing any observations since I seem to be going through heaters faster than anyone else on the forum.
 
Did my first heater replacement yesterday took 10min with me taking my time being very precise! Wow I have an entirely new outlook and respect for the VB2!!! The thing is practically 90% GLASS! I don't know why i never realized the entire body is Glass!! @vaporbrothers May I suggest that you all send out a couple(more than one) heater replacement. It would kick ass to able to have it back up running in a couple of minutes! Then once i install my last heater i can request a back-up and have it by the time the next fails!
 

Vitolo

Vaporist
Waiting for 130 vaporizers to be returned to us by the Police Department.
They have an order from the Judge to give our property ALL back.
In the meanwhile I am lucky to have a VB2 to use in the meanwhile.
I get the best dab action of any person I know! (except for those who visit me.)
Here is an oldie but goody:
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
This is the process I went through to create "Volcano Reclaim Shatter".
Some of these images were posted in the Share that dab stash thread, and some in the Volcano thread...
... it is the process I followed from step 1 through the end, where I hold the Volcano Reclaim Shatter you see

Bag in iso
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Iso on dish
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goo scraped up
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stuff curing
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almost cured
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Done
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I let it sit and cure a week longer, and I have some hard delicious Volcano Shatter.....
My problem now was which tool would be the optimal tool to use for the consumption of this rarity.
I decided upon my VB2 Concentrate Converter.
 
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vaporbrothers

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Thanks to everybody who's supported us. @Vitolo your videos helps people so much!

News.... If yall would like to see VB2's successor it is VB2.5

VB2 still has its merits- clean white ceramic heater, designed to be on forever without overheating (you can get your auto-off modified or disabled during service), works in a car drawing only about 150W. The VB2's main issue is the ability of the ceramic heater to withstand cracking at the temperatures we demand of it.

VB2.5 is a monster, controls its temp precisely with a thermocouple, takes only 30 sec to heat to full power. The heater is indestructible Silicone Nitride. You just have to deal with the fact it draws 700W, is not able to stay on more than 10 min at a time, costs more.

We build VB2 and 2.5 only to order now. Focusing as a company on new FDA concerns and our long term survival despite record amounts of cheapstuff smashing the market. Luckily, our primary product (vapor box) should be grandfathered by the FDA and will never be challenged as a "tobacco device."
 

lazylightning

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
I'm curious how many people are waiting on warranty repairs for the VB2 right now. Vapor Brothers received my returned unit 5 weeks ago and I still have no idea as to when it might be returned to me.

Over the weeks, Linus has given me a couple time estimates that have come and gone. Apparently they are struggling financially and lost the lease on their old shop. Linus said that building high performance machines like the VB2 has drained their funds to zero. Now they are renting something like a storage unit and setting up shop again.

A few weeks ago Linus mentioned that they would be setting up the VB1 production before they started on my warranty repair. Now he is saying he'll do my warranty repair first, but he has no time estimates for me after 5 weeks of waiting. I guess they are still setting up the storage unit shop.

I was patient for the first few weeks, but when I keep getting put off and don't get responses to my emails when promised it really starts to get upsetting. The VB2 is an expensive machine and I'm a paying customer. I rely on my VB2 for pain relief and expect timely warranty repair when it is necessary. If I were running the company I'd make sure to take care of my paying customers. If necessary, I'd do repairs on a desk in someone's house instead of having my customers wait a couple months for a whole new shop to be set up.
 
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jhartbarger

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They have my VB2.5 and I am waiting on heater replacements for 2 of my VB2's. They as of two weeks ago I was told finally got setup and were setting up the new repair area, station, etc.

Be patient they have been around a LONG time and you don't sustain that longevity by shafting your customers and sometimes we all stumble but I believe they bounce back and we will all get our gear back working soon.
 

lazylightning

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Well, I did get my VB2 back after 5 weeks of waiting. I didn't realize how much I'd come to rely on it for pain management. It lasted for 3 wonderful days and the heater died. Since no extra heaters were included I'm without a VB2 again. Seems like lots of patience is a prerequisite to VB2 ownership. Like the previous posts said, I have complete faith that if I wait long enough I'll have a working unit. I just wasn't counting on so many weeks of waiting on repairs every year when I purchased my unit. I probably would be more patient if I didn't rely on it for pain management.
 
lazylightning,

vaporbrothers

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Hi all, thank you so much for your patience, I haven't gotten back to FC until now. I appreciate being looked after here, and appreciate the trust you're giving!

We have SO much going on- the company is needing to adapt to the new world- Yes, we moved workshops, and also downsized to bare bones. The reality with the FDA, dispensaries selling cheap shit, smoke shops closing and everyone moving to portable / pens means that we are going into a sort of hibernation. The other VB products that helped finance VB2 development are not sustaining the budget. We've had to stop any new VB2.0 production, and will make only a small amount of 2.5's when we can.

In the case of the member above, he is a hardcore VB2 user, and we know he relies on it.. A bunch of delays from rebuilding our workshop caused his repair an inordinate amount of time, along with engineering work and my own delays. I also wanted to put his vaporizer back on the test bench for more burn-in time since he has this insane burnout problem with his VB2.0 heaters, and his VB2.5 was showing wear. Several other VB2's with simpler issues were turned around quickly. So the time for future VB2 repairs might vary a lot.

A few VB2's are still waiting for the electrical engineer to come back, and if I'm right, @jhartbarger 's 2.5 is fixed and going out after I finish burning in a few extra 2.0 heaters for him to replace in VB2.0's at home.

So anyway, we will keep servicing VB2 customers as timely as possible, although turnaround time may vary a lot depending on the issue. I hope not to have any more delays on the level of @lazylightning. (much apologies)

-Linus
 

Vitolo

Vaporist
As most now know, Photobucket has broken links to forums, and has now begun to charge 399 a year to "link" hosted photos to forums etc.
I am not short on ideas about what services to use moving on, and am not here to open a discussion about services to use, as I believe all free services will start charging in short order.
I am here to give any of those that wish to see all images I have posted in this thread the link to see them.
You are welcome to look at them all, and I hope they are useful.
http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/VitoloVaporizes/library/VB2
 
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MileHighHuman

Well-Known Member
It's a truly unique vaporizer. Yes that's about the average service time. I will say it's a "TRUE" connoisseurs device. I bought a DNAIL to back this up. When the VB2 needs service the DNAIL gets batter up! With that being said i won't sale my VB2. If you can afford it, buy it. Replacement heaters are included in your warranty, and are able to be replaced by the user. When I got tired of my VB2 going out And being without it, I bought a DNAIL to back it up. I didn't sale the VB2 like the wife suggested. She's a stoner, I'm a CANNABIS CONNOISSEUR!!:cool:

Does this VB2 is taste better than the DNAIL Sapphire Dish?
 

lazylightning

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Does this VB2 is taste better than the DNAIL Sapphire Dish?

I think maybe the first question would be...do you prefer high temp or low temp dabs?

The VB2 isn't built to do low-temp dabbing so IMO the flavor doesn't compare in the lower temp range. The VB2 hits nice and hard at higher temps but at lower temps the dab puddles into the ceramic and you have to turn up the unit for a few minutes to burn off the smoking dab.

I haven't tried sapphire, but the SiC dish in my Liger tastes amazing. Really though, it's the low temps that make the biggest difference in flavor. I found much better flavor than a VB2 even with a $150 Auber enail controller and included universal Ti nail. The key is capping the nail with a carb cap to built up heat and lower pressure. That creates a little oven that allows temps more in the 550 - 600 degree range.

The VB2 dabbing surface has a lot of incoming air flow that can't be controlled so you won't get the same tasty low-temp dabs. Instead you'll get some great higher-temp dabs that vaporize completely and require no post-dab Q-tipping of the nail.
 
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Vitolo

Vaporist
The VB2 isn't built to do low-temp dabbing so IMO the flavor doesn't compare in the lower temp range
Much respect to,a fellow vaporist, but I am forced to disagree.
the mid-range setting is low temp dabbung, AND... @vaporbrothers has already given onstructions here for "tweaking" the device to your temperature.... low heat preference.
The VB2 dabbing surface has a lot of incoming air flow that can't be controlled so you won't get the same tasty low-temp dabs.
Again...true, however the tweaking can duplicate.... in fact surpass this performance preference.
 
Vitolo,

lazylightning

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Again...true, however the tweaking can duplicate.... in fact surpass this performance preference.

If you say it's possible you may have figured out something I didn't. However, I owed mine for 1 ½ years until the owner cancelled my warranty because I was burning through a heater every 3-4 days. I've used it way harder than most...just ask Linus. I tested it every which way I could, including VB's recommendations, but I never approached the flavor I can get with a basic Ti enail and carb cap.

So not saying it's impossible, but for your average user specifically looking for flavor they'd probably want to go the easy route. An Auber RDK-300 with Ti enail and Highly Educated carb cap tastes better out of the box for $200 and you don't have to deal with frequent heater replacements.
 
lazylightning,

Vitolo

Vaporist
but for your average user specifically looking for flavor they'd probably want to go the easy route. An Auber RDK-300 with Ti enail and Highly Educated carb cap tastes better out of the box for $200 and you don't have to deal with frequent heater replacements.
Respectfully disagree.
My unit has been used daily and HARD (10-25 times a day since 2013), and has not needed replacement.
Yes... I am careful with it, and do not abuse the tool.... but I use it daily, and all through the day (and have for 4 years)
I did not in any way find the Auber RDK-300 with Ti enail and Highly Educated carb cap to taste more pure with a dozen different strains I tried and also with live resin.
Fact is I gave it away to a low-income, terminally ill patient as soon as I completed my obligatory 1 week devoted tests.
The VB2 (the original) is still here and being used daily for clean, flavorful hits.
I would like to take this opportunity to introduce a dear friend of mine... "VB2"
I am a patient with severe complications. I speak highly of products that amaze me. I try my best to say nothing if I have only bad to say.
I helped with some development of this tool for a good while, and was NEVER asked by anyone to give it positive feedback.
I asked for permission, once my job was done to reveal to the concentrate fanatics and Dabbers out there....
 
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Vitolo,

lazylightning

It's an obsession but it's pleasin'
Respectfully disagree.
My unit has been used daily and HARD (10-25 times a day since 2013), and has not needed replacement.
Yes... I am careful with it, and do not abuse the tool.... but I use it daily, and all through the day (and have for 4 years)
I did not in any way find the Auber RDK-300 with Ti enail and Highly Educated carb cap to taste more pure with a dozen different strains I tried and also with live resin.
Fact is I gave it away to a low-income, terminally ill patient as soon as I completed my obligatory 1 week devoted tests.
The VB2 (the original) is still here and being used daily for clean, flavorful hits.


I'm not trying to argue with you @Vitolo and I don't use the cheap Ti nail either because there are better options...like my SiC Liger. I'm just relating my experience because I would have found it helpful a few years ago when I was doing this kind of research.

I'm an older medical user and was extremely gentle with my VB2, yet I had to replace at least 2 heaters a week with my warranty eventually being voided by the owner because of the cost of heater replacement. If you've had a great run with your unit maybe you're lucky...or maybe I'm unlucky. I'm not disagreeing with you...just relating my experience.

I believe in telling both sides of the story, not just the good as you mention. If you tell just the good, how is that supposed to help people make an informed decision?
 
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MileHighHuman

Well-Known Member
Been privvy to the "dish"
VB2 tastes infinitly more clean and pure.
The inserts are of magnificent.
I can not say enough good things about this device that has kept me functioning as a human for these past years!

This is how i feel about my Herbalizer's vapor. Just so clean and pure. Maybe its because they both use ceramic heating elements?

Anyways so because of this i can totally understand how it quite could be possible that this puts out better vapor than an enail.

The frequent heater replacement isn't appealing as mine would be used a lot like you, but it would be taken care of so I'm really considering giving this thing a try.

How's the maintenance / cleaning to get back to like new dabbing condition?

I think maybe the first question would be...do you prefer high temp or low temp dabs?

The VB2 isn't built to do low-temp dabbing so IMO the flavor doesn't compare in the lower temp range. The VB2 hits nice and hard at higher temps but at lower temps the dab puddles into the ceramic and you have to turn up the unit for a few minutes to burn off the smoking dab.

I haven't tried sapphire, but the SiC dish in my Liger tastes amazing. Really though, it's the low temps that make the biggest difference in flavor. I found much better flavor than a VB2 even with a $150 Auber enail controller and included universal Ti nail. The key is capping the nail with a carb cap to built up heat and lower pressure. That creates a little oven that allows temps more in the 550 - 600 degree range.

The VB2 dabbing surface has a lot of incoming air flow that can't be controlled so you won't get the same tasty low-temp dabs. Instead you'll get some great higher-temp dabs that vaporize completely and require no post-dab Q-tipping of the nail.

Im fine with a bit higher temp. I actually do prefer the quicker vaporization / stronger effect. Flavor chasing is great for sometimes, but with being a medical patient, my #1 priority is the overall vapor quality.
 
MileHighHuman,

Vitolo

Vaporist
How's the maintenance / cleaning to get back to like new dabbing condition?
There is not maintenance to get back to like new dabbing condition.
Once or twice a year, I take a razor blade and scrape clean the porcelain-like walls.
The inserts burn themselves 100% clean after each session.
If an insert gets old, they are inexpensive to replace.
While I helped test 5 different materials, and wall configurations on inserts, I am only on my second one, as my 1st became a but dull in appearance after third year.
Fact is I own 2 of these devices.
One is used daily, and the other is for travel to let patients try it out.
They both have been with me for a very long time, and neither has needed replacement, due
to the instructions I give when I loan it out.
like my SiC Liger
I have tried them all.
At least most of them that are out there, and still get rid of them after testing is done.
@vaporbrothers gladly tells users how to teak the temp down for the low temp Dabbers out there.
This is how i feel about my Herbalizer's vapor. Just so clean and pure. Maybe its because they both use ceramic heating elements?
Just to keep facts all lined up well.... Herbalizer does not use a ceramic heating element, but rather uses actual Halogen bulbs to heat the herb. It is the only unit that uses Halogen technology... the reason the unit heats from Zero to 445º in 10 seconds.

I had a patient that went through 2 replacements on his VB2.
I went to watch him use it at his place.
After a session, he would walk away leaving the insert and inside of VB2 Open.. (and under his cooler.)
I had him start to use the white VB2 Top while unit was cooling down... I believed the cool air blowing on unit which was left open caused the element to cool too fast and crack.
That was 2 years ago, and he has not had another breakage of his daily used unit since.

Protecting the VB2 and the Inserts
About the inserts:
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I use them till the end.
I ride them hard, and they seem to last.
Mine start to get darker over time and get a dull look to them.
I like them at that point for a subtle porosity.
There are other materials that get porous MUCH more slowly. I like them too... for there ability to "keep that bead of oil dancing above surface(Leidenfrost)"
My inserts are done when they crack!
I inspect against a light to see the cracks coming.


Protecting the Inserts

Hint:
When working with discs.. a 40 watt bulb is your best friend. Not too bright or too dim.
Incadescent bulbs work best.

(They are doing away with standard bulbs and using halogen and other new LED technology.. fuck the man!... so stock up!)
When using a set of discs of varying materials and evaluating which insert is best for which concentrate type, there are factors that you will want to consider.
Be fair, and allow inserts their chance to show their true colors unhampered by human error.

I do not like to leave my Nipple Top glass on for a couple of reasons. I remove the glass top when I step away from unit.
When unit is off , heat still rises, and the final heat will remain in the top.

  1. The tubing stays hot so it is prone to weaken its grip.. from not allowing it to cool.
  2. The residues that you may try to reclaim "toughen up" and become harder to work with, clean or dissolve after that final heating of a shut down unit.
There is a thought, however...
As the unit is now no longer heating and it begins to cool, I prefer NOT to expose my insert to the danger of rapid cooling, since this is the piece that takes the brunt of the daily beating.
One way to avoid damage to insert is to leave the cover on until unit is cool.
So what I do, is after a few hits..
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I remove the top and set it aside to cool.
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I set it down safe, but I do not like leaving my insert exposed during cooling
(note the top is behind unit)
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I protect the open top with the less fragile, easier to slide on ceramic cover
(I can use the silicone nozzle, to suck up any last wisp that may occur)
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Vitolo,

Vitolo

Vaporist
Continued...
I would like to take this opportunity to introduce a dear friend of mine... "VB2"
download.spark

What this is:
This is a "Wax Converter". It is a device that due to the heat of its element and it's structure, can CONVERT a concentrate to vapor instantaneously.
Vapor Brothers and VaporWarehouse will be along after a time to reveal the details of this amazing device, and to divulge the conditions of owning one, and of course the cost.
I do feel confident in saying that early adopters will have the guys in charge watching their backs in a way unseen in most businesses!
What you do not see me using here or in the video coming up, is a small cup-like disc or challice (proper name to be revealed at a later time), that was in development while I took the above picture.
It's function is to protect the ceramic plate/element from direct abuse from dab tools and other dangers.
The insert went through a great many changes before they settled upon this design, and material, and I was proud to be along for the ride in helping to figure the best.

The very best .....

download.spark


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THE BEST After a year
What you see is a moldable ceramic... which is a proprietary material. It is so dense that it weighs a good amount for it's size, and can withstand abuse. Denser that porcelain by far, this is the best material for the purpose.
A machinable ceramic was used for a while (Malcor), but with it's prohibitive cost, and time consuming manufacturing it was just not dense enough.

download.spark

Macor
The unit reaches temperatures hot enough to keep the insert clean.

(cleaner than the walls of my VB2 after some abuse!)
Protecting the test materials
OK.. so now I have done my best job at protecting the insert from damage during testing so that I may see the materials true nature.
I have been through a number materials, but two are now in the hands of users, and those would be
what these images reflect.
I am not certain if the materials technical names matter or at this time are "non-disclosable".
I will disclose when I get word this is OK to print.
Later there may be other materials, and names to refer to each by.
For the purpose of the discussion about the 1st available 2 inserts,I will refer to them here as;
Original- Larger/duller in appearance/more traditional ceramic look. Dense yet lightweight.
New- Smaller/Shinier in appearance/ glazed porcelain look. Very Dense, Heavy feel.

Monitoring the materials
After complete cooling has been accomplished is when I lift out my insert to look it over.
I take note of the following details:

  • black flecks that come off with a simple touch of a needle
  • black flecks that come off, but when scraped with needle
  • black flecks that don't respond to scratches (these will vanish with next heating)
  • stains that appear to be duller than the rest of the insert
  • stains that appear to be 'within"/penetrating insert...
  • appearance of cracks
The cracking of these materials occurs in different ways.
It is tricky to monitor because the pieces don't just always fall apart.
This is because the external raised wall around the insert is a ring, providing structural integrity.
A crack occurs, but you do not see it, because the disc is hot and is also not in your hand. (DONT try to lift and observe a cooling disc. This is a sure way to break one. They ain't cheap!)
By the time the insert has cooled down, the outer ring has contracted sufficient lt so that the cracks are invisible... pushed together through external force of the outer ring, now contracted.
Look at the discs back, against the light... using the discs backside as a mirror , trying to catch the light's reflection... and then look. for signs of cracking.

Enter the light bulb.
You will begin to see where you are having troubles.. and act accordingly.

Macor© that was tested once.. had to be machined by hand to have the outer ring.
it was outrageously expensive... and in the end not dense enough... it erupted as earth would over time into an uneven microscopic texture.

ORIGINAL INSERT
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Original... well worn upon an unfocused glance.

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cracking with some blistering

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The back shows an obvious crack. I had been monitoring this particular crack.
It is older now and is beginning to have it's own indent or groove after it heals each time.
Now the darkened stain in the line also pulls your attention, as debris has finally entered, that has not bleached out through the purging of heat. The disc stays functional. (important)

The light test;
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dim bulb with flash shows cracking and reflects glass dabber etchings on the surface.


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brighter view... you can not see the dabber etchings without flash.

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Blinding view... no flash used. MANY webbed cracks, but structural integrity
remains


This particular ORIGINAL insert had an ever so barely perceivable absorbent quality.
The dabs will dance on the hot surface, but when held in place, they melt in and vanish.
NOT considering sloppiness or overspill, a neatly placed and held dab will have a second of after-burn

The NEW insert did not have the same after-burn!
It's makeup is denser and very glossy.
Dabs do not appear to absorb into material in the least.
(not that the absorbency I mention is bad at all!)
After a great deal of use the new disc shows some dullness toward center.
Images next will show this disc.
It gives a preferred dab experience in my opinion.. but it is more sensitive due to it's increased density to cracking during cooling, and to forming microscopic fractures as the insert tries to cool and
readjust it's cracked sides together.
In other words, the preferred NEW disc can break more easily, but not unreasonably early in the inserts use.. and in my opinion it is worth replacing when needed.
I like it best, but would have no trouble going back to that ORIGINAL...or even the Experimental macor for that matter!

NEW INSERT:
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At first glance, it looks in great shape, because of the lack of darkening


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loser look tells it all. There is flaking in the center, bit not much...
but when this baby healed, the cracks went all the way up the lip. One can see that the lip.. the
ring I spoke of tries to hold up, but the fracture takes another direction.


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The back reveals cracking, but not through and though. The density of this material forms a sheen, and rings as well that appear to have made the bottom "flat" of this insert it's structural force.



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The shine against the light shows integrity along bottom plane


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The light test reveals brutal cracks


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The crack on the lip at about 10 on the dial will be this inserts failing within the next half dozen sessions. No tears shed... it served well!
I use them till the end.
I ride them hard, and they seem to last.
Mine start to get darker over time and get a dull look to them.
I like them at that point for a subtle porosity.
There are other materials that get porous MUCH more slowly. I like them too... for there ability to "keep that bead of oil dancing above surface(Leidenfrost)"
My inserts are done when they crack!
I inspect against a light to see the cracks coming.
 
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Vitolo,

MileHighHuman

Well-Known Member
There is not maintenance to get back to like new dabbing condition.
Once or twice a year, I take a razor blade and scrape clean the porcelain-like walls.
The inserts burn themselves 100% clean after each session.
If an insert gets old, they are inexpensive to replace.
While I helped test 5 different materials, and wall configurations on inserts, I am only on my second one, as my 1st became a but dull in appearance after third year.
Fact is I own 2 of these devices.
One is used daily, and the other is for travel to let patients try it out.
They both have been with me for a very long time, and neither has needed replacement, due
to the instructions I give when I loan it out.

I have tried them all.
At least most of them that are out there, and still get rid of them after testing is done.
@vaporbrothers gladly tells users how to teak the temp down for the low temp Dabbers out there.

Just to keep facts all lined up well.... Herbalizer does not use a ceramic heating element, but rather uses actual Halogen bulbs to heat the herb. It is the only unit that uses Halogen technology... the reason the unit heats from Zero to 445º in 10 seconds.

I had a patient that went through 2 replacements on his VB2.
I went to watch him use it at his place.
After a session, he would walk away leaving the insert and inside of VB2 Open.. (and under his cooler.)
I had him start to use the white VB2 Top while unit was cooling down... I believed the cool air blowing on unit which was left open caused the element to cool too fast and crack.
That was 2 years ago, and he has not had another breakage of his daily used unit since.

Protecting the VB2 and the Inserts


Low maintenance makes this sound even more appealing. I didn't know it was $1200, but i would be willing to spend that if its performance is better than an enail and worth it. Its currently sold out, but thats probably a good thing for my wallet. Lol.

Not to derail. But thanks. I knew the Herbalizer used a halogen heating bulb, but for some reason i thought the halogen bulb was made out of ceramic. My mistake, not sure what i was confusing that with.

But back on topic. 2 year VB warranty is ok. But id definitely want to continually buy another 2 years worth of protection for $150 with all the warnings and repairs. But at least it says that they pay for repair shipping charges. This is correct? And so the ceramic disk are only $7/ which isn't bad. But the bigger issue is the actual VB heater? Which requires sending in for repair (but for free)

Has anyone had any really unlucky heater issues like @lazylightning ??

How long is the average time span for repair?

Next, it says PID control allows any temp up to 850. I had thought there were only 3 temperature to choose from? Is the PID for the VB2.5, and the Low 500F, Medium 650F, High 850F+ for the VB2?

(If so that is $400 more for precise temp control) (Any other differences between VB2.5 and VB2?)

Also, it says the VB2.5 auto shut off is after only 10 mins, and to choose the VB2 if you want to use continually. I'd prefer to purchase the VB2.5, but id also like to be able to leave mine on all day if needed.
 
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