simba
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I don't know enough about chemistry to know whether that is safe to mixMaybe a paste of a bicarb and mustard mix?
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Octavia
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Should be, mustard won’t make bicarb any more basic and shouldn’t be acidic enough to react (you’d notice bubbling when prepping the paste if it was). Main reason either material is used is for an inexpensive fine grain abrasive, and my guess is mustard is the finer grained powder of the 2.I don't know enough about chemistry to know whether that is safe to mix
el sargantano
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Just be careful on the 3 tubes (toothpicks) and leave it flipped overnight
I prefer the soda tek over the mustard one
@kokolokokolokon unas rondas de bicarbonato solo
You guys make this forum amazing, thank you
I prefer the soda tek over the mustard one
@kokolokokolokon unas rondas de bicarbonato solo
You guys make this forum amazing, thank you
0796
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I need to re-check, but it looks like the aggressive one wins between 2 versions of my favorite, that I managed to get with different flame-lenght on PB207.
Both very close, but, probably, "16.5mm/3 full count/2 pulses" is better then "14mm/4 full count/2 pulses", by taste for sure, and over-all high - need another test.
For flower use.
And for hash, maybe 18mm-flame will get even better results.
I count length from base of jet.
@kokolokokolokon , french mustard contains vinegar - maybe it can damage somehow gold or brass. I used 100% mustard powder.
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"16.5mm/3 full count/2 pulses" and "14mm/4 full count/2 pulses" are very similar by high, but, 16.5 is slightly better.
And taste of 14mm from 2-nd heating already popcorn. So terpenes preserved better on 16.5.
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kokolokokolokon
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Gracias. I've never managed to clean it well with baking soda (en ingles para que se entienda en general
)Late.
I did take the vaoman i use on the station. It was dirty but the gold was nice.
Well. I did a bicarb and mustard paste. Blocked the airholes with toothpicks. Added a layer of the paste. Let it for a long time (till the paste was dry). I used a toothpick to clean it aaaand….nothing. Nothing at all.
Then I did 3 burn offs after using a qtip with iso to remove the lefover paste and, i dont know why, i ruined the pan.
Every image is a step:
Yeah that look like copper...
wtf
wtf
kokolokokolokon
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Well if i’m not wrong the vapman pan is made of copper with a layer of nickel and another layer of gold.
The last time i lost a good amount of gold, inhale told me that it is ok to use. But maybe this time it is too much? I dont know.
Edit: not nickel sorry. Zinc.
https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapman.94/post-767418
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I know how is made the vapman pan and the plating but I don't know how you could remove that much plating with just baking soda past and mustard powder...
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kokolokokolokon
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Well, imagine my face after make the burn off
white face.A correction: it was french mustard. I didn’t read it has vinegar until i did it. Anyway I would have noticed it when I passed the qtip through the pan…
T9R
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It's probably not a huge health concern, but I personally wouldn't use it when the gold plating has been nuked like this.
Not to start a material safety discussion, but it seems similar to using unlined copper cookware.
kokolokokolokon
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Gents, please, once a year is enough for the copper discussion.
Or... just let the pan season without cleaning it.
Vinegar and baking soda react with each other by neutralizing themselves. (Acid and base will create CO2 bubbles). I still don't understand how a simple soda paste over the night couldn't clean the pan... even less how a few hours of soda + mustard could remove the plating so neatly. could it be possible that the plating was damaged before ?
My humble advice : stick with baking soda but don't wait for the pan to be that dirty.
Or... just let the pan season without cleaning it.
Fearless Disaster
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i have not put my vapman into rotation yet (waiting for a replacement station) but could cleaning just be handled by swabbing with iso more frequently?
T9R
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You're right. Sorry, it just felt like a good intro for the 2025 edition.
You're a bit late my friend...You're right. Sorry, it just felt like a good intro for the 2025 edition.
https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapman.94/post-1840128
See you in 2026 !
kokolokokolokon
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Of course! Of course! It is not my purpose
Thanks, a good lesson about vinegar and baking soda i learnt today
The strange thing is: i did the paste, etc etc…and it didnt work (you can check the proccess with the images). I was like “ok it didnt work, no drama”. Then i used the qtip with iso to clean it a little, dry it, and this happens when i did 3 heat up to do a burn off (by the position I heat it, i dont see the pan while heating).
So it is even more strange
And it was the better condition pan i have!
actually is the only vape i get that dirty because i never achieve to clean it properly! Even if it is just a little dirty. There is a layer which is created when I use hash that I can’t remove completelyMy humble advice : stick with baking soda but don't wait for the pan to be that dirty.
Or... just let the pan season without cleaning it.
@Fearless Disaster It was my main method, but that layer…aaargh. I use to clean my vapes every week (and i dont vape 24/7)
Cheebsy
Fermentation Fiend
What about a discussion about zinc? It's the zinc in copper alloys that's the dangerous constituent afaik? Zinc fumes are definately not fun! Maybe the measurements have been made to the interior of a bowl when heating with a torch that says it doesn't get hot enough, id love to see it if that's the case. Honestly, I haven't used either of my vapmen since learning about the zinc layer, and I miss them.... I'd bet a bowl with plating in excellent condition wouldn't be an issue, and my bowls are in really good condition tbh, but it doesn't shut up that niggle in my head! I thought I would use them infrequently, but I'm not using them at all these days.
barrington
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Hello Vapeople. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a click and some accessories direct from Inhale but am having a currency problem. I live in Australia but want to pay in USD. All prices are displayed in USD until I get to the checkout screen, then when I change the sipping address the total is automatically changed to AUD. Problem is the currency conversion sucks, like it's at least 15% more than the rate my bank will give me.
Anyone know if there's a way to force the checkout to stay in USD but still ship to Australia? Thanks.
Anyone know if there's a way to force the checkout to stay in USD but still ship to Australia? Thanks.
0796
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Oh, shit…Gracias. I've never managed to clean it well with baking soda (en ingles para que se entienda en general
Late.
I did take the vaoman i use on the station. It was dirty but the gold was nice.
Well. I did a bicarb and mustard paste. Blocked the airholes with toothpicks. Added a layer of the paste. Let it for a long time (till the paste was dry). I used a toothpick to clean it aaaand….nothing. Nothing at all.
Then I did 3 burn offs after using a qtip with iso to remove the lefover paste and, i dont know why, i ruined the pan.
Every image is a step:
Probably, because of vinegar or long time: I just checked some videos, how remove gold from platted parts of motherboards etc - one of the methods - use of some kind of acid.
According to wiki, pure mustard/mustard oil contains:
α-Linolenic acid
Linoleic acid
Arachidic acid
Erucic acid
Oleic acid
Even mixing mustard with soda may be too aggressive, especially for long period of time.
Probably, the mustard is out of this forum.
And me also - for hazardous suggestions.
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Kozzmozz
Infinite realities, infinite possibilities
I don’t think you vape your herbs to 500degrees celcius.
@Kozzmozz is right : the fact that the vapman dies not combust (if used properly) is the best temp measurement. Inner surface temperature stays definitely under 230°C.
Also @Cheebsy, the pan is pure copper. The gold plating needs a layer of zinc to adhere with the copper. That said I think that exposed zinc could be a concern...
I've never had any defect on the plating on any of my vapman so I'm confident to use them.
Also @Cheebsy, the pan is pure copper. The gold plating needs a layer of zinc to adhere with the copper. That said I think that exposed zinc could be a concern...
I've never had any defect on the plating on any of my vapman so I'm confident to use them.
kokolokokolokon
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It is the most logic position. Even with that, i wonder how i didnt get any dirt after using the qtip with iso before the heat up (Just say it because i use vinegar in other devices i know i can, and after a long time on vinegar i can remove part of the rust-ugly layer with a paper or qtip).
Anyway, looks like the paste i used is the main cause, and maybe the state of the plating after that + the burn offs did the restof the job.
Work in progress...
