Vapman

[OF]

You can often get a couple of impressive furlongs out of a plow horse if you use enough whip too.

To me the very fact it's not easy to do, 'natural' if you will, points to something wrong. Or at least inappropriate. A better/different tool is indicated?

It's a fine balance. If you make the load bigger you change that. You upset the volume to surface ratio. There is 'less square feet of hot surface per pound of load'. It doesn't simply scale up. Then we come to energy management. The thickness of the pan is part of the magic formula. To supply the extra heat now needed, you'd need to make it thicker (since you can't heat it hotter). But that also makes it slower to transfer out. Adjusting the design for that would impact it's ability to do what it now does so well (efficiently extract from tiny loads). I'm sure I'm not alone in the wish to not have that degraded?

OF

 

[Tommy10]

Yes I think a very similar design with a bigger bowl and thicker pan would be veryyyyy nice for thick tasty hits, but it is a trade off and I do like the tiny bowl! I just try and strech what I can out of it, still honing it in.
A vapman sr would be cool!

 

[OF]

A vapman sr would be cool!

Or maybe a manifold to connect two VM. You could alternately heat them a few seconds each to get them to temperature at the same time.......

Otherwise, larger diameter pan, perhaps changing the angles to keep extreme/average load thickness the same might work.

For the truly serious, I'm thinking a rotary scheme where you'd rotate a new, heated to temperature, VM into position to replace the one before as production slows. There'd be another heating to be ready. Maybe one in preheat? Half a dozen lined up with a heating station or two and we've got a party.....

Next step up is something based on Gatling Gun technology........only motorized. Maybe built on the Vulcan platform?

What say we get a crowd funding deal going?

OF

 

[Tommy10]

Or maybe a manifold to connect two VM. You could alternately heat them a few seconds each to get them to temperature at the same time.......

Otherwise, larger diameter pan, perhaps changing the angles to keep extreme/average load thickness the same might work.

For the truly serious, I'm thinking a rotary scheme where you'd rotate a new, heated to temperature, VM into position to replace the one before as production slows. There'd be another heating to be ready. Maybe one in preheat? Half a dozen lined up with a heating station or two and we've got a party.....

Next step up is something based on Gatling Gun technology........only motorized. Maybe built on the Vulcan platform?

What say we get a crowd funding deal going?

OF

I'm sure that was sarcasm, but I think two pans with one mouth peice would be great!
Larger model to Gatling gun is a bit of a strech.

 

[HugeBeard]

I actually consider the Vapman one of my hardest hitting vapes, and it rivals my Evo in a bong (just doesn't go as long, due to the smaller bowl). Every once in a while I hit it at lower temps (with less vapor) for extended taste, but I find it quite natural to get big hits regularly. Hard to imagine larger clouds than what I'm already able to achieve.

 

[Tommy10]

I actually consider the Vapman one of my hardest hitting vapes, and it rivals my Evo in a bong (just doesn't go as long, due to the smaller bowl). Every once in a while I hit it at lower temps (with less vapor) for extended taste, but I find it quite natural to get big hits regularly. Hard to imagine larger clouds than what I'm already able to achieve.

Yea it's nice just how manual it is! Can get a bowl out in one bong hit, or give it a few seconds less and get 5+ nicer smaller hits.... From such a tiny amount!

 

[Gourmet]

Folks that bought one with other intents (like big clouds) are better advised to try a different vape IMO.

Thats what I preaching all the time.


But, IMHO it's not necessary to inhale big clouds. We can have the full aroma and all the herbal agents with a clear vape too. And it's even better for our lungs.

Sometimes non vaping friends asking me, if I wouldn't like a bigger pan. I say no, because it's really enough to me. At first let come and work the effect from the first pan, then we will see further.

Smokers are used to consume more than enough and think understandably (but wrongly), they need the same dosage of herbs, if vaped. We can help them to win a new and frugal handling of herbs.

 

[Tommy10]

Frugal is nice but thrivalist can be fun.

 

[Melting Pot]

I love my VM... My prefered method I posted a pic with my 14 j hook.
I heat for 8 sec. Then another 4 or 5 small hit and continue with 4 or 5 sec burst by fourth heat cycle I'm getting nice hits.
Lately im broke so I'm getting everything out of my herb almost to COMBUSTION
But not dark brown almost black.
You cant fuck with perfection.
Get a claesen adaptor and use two a torch in each hand.

Im sure i spelled clasen wrong. Lol
After first long heat of 8 to 10 sec only 4 to 5 after till it's cashed

 

[Tommy10]

Yea I'm thinking 10 seconds and then 4-6 as my general rule of thumb, works so well that counting can get hard! Used the HA last night but back behind the VM tilk I get something new to test I think! Considering even culling the herb a little since this is so good!

 

[vapman]

Check this out...

I sold a vapman to an all time cumbusting friend of mine and a few days later I asked for his opinion.

He told me that he got almost no visible vapor and didn't get much of an effect.

I was like, "What?! Did you watch the how-to videos from the links I sent you?"

He says, "Ah... No..."

I say," Damn man, WTF?"

I give him a few more verbal pointers, and told him to report back.

Next time I see him, he says the same thing, although he did notice that the effect was much cleaner than combustion...

So I went to his house, loaded the vapman for him... Torched it myself and handed it to him.

The first draw gave him a very decent cloud. And he yelled, "Holly Hell! I'd never gotten so much smoke!" - yes, he said smoke instead of vapor.

Second hit, bigger cloud! - "What the hell?! How did you do that?"

I explained it all to him again in person, with the vapman in hand this time, and he was blown away by the vapman.

He told me he's going to buy a second one to have as a backup!

Everyone ends up buying a backup vapman, haha.

The moral of my story:

Something that comes so naturally to me can be a challenge for some people, and if they don't learn, they may end up dissing the vapman only from lack of technique.

So, I think I'm going to have to do some vapman demo parties, a la Tupperware!
Scantily clad female models/instructors would be a plus...

Anyway, just wanted to share this with you all.

Did some of you have trouble at first?

Peace.

Reading your post @Mojo, is a bit like a "déjà-vu" to me. How many times did I hear, that vapman is no good? After showing how it works, it mostly changes to:"Wow, this thing tiny thing is amazing, I never got so much from so little"!

This is why I tell people sometimes, that vapman is actually not a vaporizer, it is a vaporizing instrument or tool if you like. Using a tool or instrument requires some skills, a real vaporizer desn't, pushing a button already does the trick. But exactly here lies the appeal of vapman to me, I like tools and instruments, this leaves some room for personality and individuality and gives the user the chance of being part of the process. I don't want to be stoned only, I like getting stoned, this is half of the fun already. Taking psychoactive substances like tea, coffee, tobacco…ect. is a ritual and vapman can give you that ritual. It is almost a holy ritual to me and "holy" comes from wholly or all, therefore it means, the whole ritual.

Yes I find the vapman pretty tricky for noobies. I have no problem myself on the first hit, but am still also having trouble doing re hits within the minute. I think the key is to accept that under heating it is better than combustion.

Yes, exactly! The key is under heating and finding the sweet spot from there!

Yes I think a very similar design with a bigger bowl and thicker pan would be veryyyyy nice for thick tasty hits, but it is a trade off and I do like the tiny bowl! I just try and strech what I can out of it, still honing it in.
A vapman sr would be cool!

I have to disagree on this one, I tried bigger bowls but it doesn't get nescesseraly better. A larger bowl means more mass to heat up, making it more difficult to get the right timing and even vaporization. Of course, it is possible but I truly think, that vapman is ideal in terms of size and heat up time. I found that loading two bowls is far better than having one large bowl, you get twice the flavors and it is faster as well, don't forget that herbs are bad heat conductors.


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[Tommy10]

Reading your post @Mojo, is a bit like a "déjà-vu" to me. How many times did I hear, that vapman is no good? After showing how it works, it mostly changes to:"Wow, this thing tiny thing is amazing, I never got so much from so little"!

This is why I tell people sometimes, that vapman is actually not a vaporizer, it is a vaporizing instrument or tool if you like. Using a tool or instrument requires some skills, a real vaporizer desn't, pushing a button already does the trick. But exactly here lies the appeal of vapman to me, I like tools and instruments, this leaves some room for personality and individuality and gives the user the chance of being part of the process. I don't want to be stoned only, I like getting stoned, this is half of the fun already. Taking psychoactive substances like tea, coffee, tobacco…ect. is a ritual and vapman can give you that ritual. It is almost a holy ritual to me and "holy" comes from wholly or all, therefore it means, the whole ritual.




Yes, exactly! The key is under heating and finding the sweet spot from there!



I have to disagree on this one, I tried bigger bowls but it doesn't get nescesseraly better. A larger bowl means more mass to heat up, making it more difficult to get the right timing and even vaporization. Of course, it is possible but I truly think, that vapman is ideal in terms of size and heat up time. I found that loading two bowls is far better than having one large bowl, you get twice the flavors and it is faster as well, don't forget that herbs are bad heat conductors.


vapman

Aw dang would like a 2:1 scale vape man! Oh well, at least changing the bowl is fun!

 

[VapeKnight]

My first few sessions with VM I used too much heat and didn't get any of the flavor or smoothness that it is capable of. Since it was not my first vape, I already knew the temperature / taste I liked. I've never been a cloud chaser but rather someone who wanted to eliminate combusting for health reasons . I've come to appreciate the different " high" I get from vape v.s. smoke and it's much nicer for me. I heat my VM slowly using 3 second bursts, often taking 15-20 hits per bowl. I equate it more to sautéing than deep frying. It also prolongs my VM experience. There have been times when I don't feel like I'm getting any effects from my load after several draws because of this slow extraction, but by the time I notice that burnt popcorn flavor it creeps up on me from out of nowhere and I'm reminded of why I love this masterpiece.

 

[Rene from Germany]

@Mojo Here it is. Yes, all the technology is there already, the mica lining, the crucible and the air tubes.
The tubes are still on the inside of the handle ring, all you can see is the small hole where the air gets in. This very small vaporizer works very well but it was very difficult to mount the tubes on the inside of the wood, this is why I came up with the idea of fixing the tubes on the surface with tiny brackets.

vapman

amazing !!

 

[M0J0]

Awesome input everyone!

I agree... vapman is a personal, intimate experience and not sucking on a milkshake, like most battery vapes.

I am also Not a cloud chaser, but an effects chaser, so the worst part of my friend's experience was when he said he was hardly getting an effect at all - that was the red flag for me.

I get consistently decent visual vapor, but I don't necessarily try to get it. I just have my ritual down to the point where I don't think about it anymore. Most of the times I don't even count and just go by feel...

Like OF says,you cannot be "Too shy with the heat," or like I like to say, you have to dance that fine line between vapor and combustion... Court combustion, so to speak.

But it's sad that some people will never come to know the magic of this little jewel of a tool because they don't dedicate the time required to become efficient at using it.

Once you get to know your vapman, you create that magical bond with it through the awesome ritual involved.

And next thing you know, you name it, and feel real bad if you use another vape! Haha

Edit: and I also believe that the size of the vapman is in the Goldy Locks' range: Not too big, not too small. Just right.

 

[Gourmet]

Frugal is nice but thrivalist can be fun.

Thanks for that new word to me. Fortunately it exists some good urban translater today.

I expect, the Vapman is one of the best thrivalist-tool you can find.

 

[Tommy10]

Still can't believe how efficent this thing is, I seem to use more as a vaporists than a smoker because it's easy indoors and more of a hobby. While sitting down to a movie and having 5 or so hammer/Arizer stems or 2 or three loads in the HA is nice. You need 10 vapman loads before you even get close to using as much as any of those, and in reality I'd probably do 6 due to the strong effects with this little device.

 

[UnshavenFish]

I remembered a while back somebody (can't remember who to thank) talked about small containers that could be preloaded and stored in the Vapman egg.

After a bit of searching and trying a few different options I found some that I'm really happy with, they are 1.5ml centrifuge tubes with snap shut lids, this is what I thought I had ordered (more on that later )



You can fit 1-6 of these in the egg and it closes fine, they are held inplace by the ridges on the inside of the lid so don't rattle either, each one can fit around 3-4 bowls of preground herb, you could fit more but it makes it harder to get back out.



As I said earlier I thought I had ordered 10 but guess I messed up a little, this is one of the bags I recieved...



So...if there are any UK members that want some for free send me a PM.

 

[Melting Pot]

Don't live in UK but thanks for heads up.
Wife works in lab I'm gonna see if she has them.
Great idea.
Thanks

 

[OF]

I remembered a while back somebody (can't remember who to thank) talked about small containers that could be preloaded and stored in the Vapman egg.

I wonder what fool came up with that suggestion?
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapman.94/page-190#post-875641

EBay link there, I bought mine from Amazon but they no longer list them. You can also get a handy 1.5ml version. Both are very handy for concentrates too. You can put the tube in a bowl of hot water to thin the oil out then stand it on end to cool (and collect the concentrate in the tip) where it's easy to fish out with a toothpick. I wipe the toothpick off against the inside walls (roll the toothpick) after loading.

A guy with a gram or so of tasty concentrate and a few screens to go with the VM and lighter is set for a LONG time.

Great that you're passing them around, good karma coming your way for that one.

OF

 

[UnshavenFish]

I wonder what fool came up with that suggestion?

I should have guessed, great idea, thanks

It felt like longer than 10 days ago lol but saying that, I struggle to remember what I did yesterday so 10 days seems like a lifetime away to me

 

[OF]

I should have guessed, great idea, thanks

It felt like longer than 10 days ago lol but saying that, I struggle to remember what I did yesterday so 10 days seems like a lifetime away to me

Time flies when yer havin' fun you know.......

You're welcome, of course. Glad you found it useful, I do. Great that you're setting up as the UK (if not EU) supplier. Maybe we should hit Rene and get him to include a few inside the eggs from the factory?

Now we gotta find a tiny torch type lighter........

OF

 

[Tommy10]

Seems the two torches I bought are okay at best! Always need filling up, and I don't really attempt a sesh without something to adjust the flame with, which gets so old so quick! Just ordered 3 of those 1300's from dx.
Currently needing constant flame adjusting to get it steady, refilling and sometimes 10+ kicks per heat. Anyone know if the vapcap triple flame would work any good for this?

 

[Petro]

You'll be right once those 1300C ones arrive, I bought three and I'm still on the first. Works like a charm though from DX it might take a while to get to you unfortunately.
Otherwise you can pick these ones up at a lot of places and they work okay, but normally cost like 6 bucks.

As for the triple torch - nah, you really need the precision of the single flame with Vapman.

 

[Tommy10]

You'll be right once those 1300C ones arrive, I bought three and I'm still on the first. Works like a charm though from DX it might take a while to get to you unfortunately.
Otherwise you can pick these ones up at a lot of places and they work okay, but normally cost like 6 bucks.

As for the triple torch - nah, you really need the precision of the single flame with Vapman.

Had a few of those pictured, they were certainly better than the ones I can buy in store here but they'd have to be purchased online via slow boat too I'd imagine. Hopefully this one lasts until the dx ones get here. It's not so bad for me, but pain in the arse when you want to show people how awesome the vapman is and the torch wants to play silly buggers! Next time I'm in sydney I might have a little look for a cool looking more "premium" type one, but from what I have seen so far they never seem to work as good. Although the selection where I live is pretty crap so might come across something good next trip to one of the capitals.