Discontinued Vapir NO2

[willieR]

Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which theses aren't.

Extraordinarily silly statement. There are hundreds if not thousands of registered members in this forum and a few others. All focused exclusively and specifically on vaprization topics. For every registered member there are a hundred that simply read and don't register. All of these people are potential customers to a manufacturer of vaporization products. And you would say that this group is meaningless to a company.

If the manufacturer wants a pulse of the marketplace, of course they turn to these forums. These forums are the fastest means for a manufacturer or consumer to gather real-time product feedback. They may not participate, but they most assuredly monitor. That's their business and livelihood.

 

[Purpl3_Haz3]

Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which theses aren't.

Extraordinarily silly statement. There are hundreds if not thousands of registered members in this forum and a few others. All focused exclusively and specifically on vaprization topics. For every registered member there are a hundred that simply read and don't register. All of these people are potential customers to a manufacturer of vaporization products. And you would say that this group is meaningless to a company.

If the manufacturer wants a pulse of the marketplace, of course they turn to these forums. These forums are the fastest means for a manufacturer or consumer to gather real-time product feedback. They may not participate, but they most assuredly monitor. That's their business and livelihood.

This is very true! Just look at the MFLB thread, there are many posts by the Magic Flight company themselves! They read every post, as they stated in one of their more recent posts, and do so to make there company, product, and service better!

I am sure that they are not the only company that recognizes and utilizes this forum as a valuable source of customer feedback. I would even go so far as to say that vapir is probably aware of this forum, and has read this thread, or ones pertaining to them...IMO

 

[FLskwat]

Though I think WillieR statement is MOSTLY true you can find counter examples such as:

Volcano/ never seen a S&B answer.
Herbo/ Never seen a post from Sb.
Arizer/ Never seen a post from them.
VG/same
Vriptech/aren't posting that much neither...


So yes, PD, Zap, MFLB, Lotus, Vape or Smoke, OCD, etc... chosen to answer their customer here and I AGREE with this communication policy beeing the best and the proof of the manufacturer's care...but this is not a generalized process!

 

[willieR]

skwat you missed the point. I didn't say manufacturers necessarily participate in forums. I said they are aware of and monitor them. No question.

 

[FLskwat]

Yup Will answering to PH, giving MFLB thread as an example of manufacturers good communication with Forum members.

As you said, hopefully any manufacturers monitors what is said about him on the net! FC included, no doubt! Just do a good RSS survey on your brand is the minimum!

 

[lwien]

Though I think WillieR statement is MOSTLY true you can find counter examples such as:

So yes, PD, Zap, MFLB, Lotus, Vape or Smoke, OCD... chosen to answer their customer here .

Let's add a few more to that list:

VaporBros
7th Floor (Buddha, LSV, SSV)
Zephyr
Iolite
Oracle

While it's true that "some" manufacturers don't participate in forums, the statement of, "Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which theses aren't." is TOTALLY false and inaccurate" and it's continued false statements such as these that are biased in an effort to make a point, that causes a loss of credibility of the person making it.

 

[FLskwat]

Let's add a few more to that list:

VaporBros
7th Floor (Buddha, LSV, SSV)
Zephyr
Iolite
Oracle
The Cloud
The Bud Toaster
Hippi's vapes
Venus project

 

[Cairo1]

So the theory is that Vapir et al are just too gigantic to monitor forums? I agree that's the most ridiculous assertion I've heard in a long long time.

 

[Adaox]

While it's true that "some" manufacturers don't participate in forums, the statement of, "Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which theses aren't." is TOTALLY false and inaccurate" and it's continued false statements such as these that are biased in an effort to make a point, that causes a loss of credibility of the person making it.

Listen here sparky. I'm going to make this very simple for your small brain.

"Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which these aren't."

Forums in general. Not FC's forum specifically. That is unless it's their forum, which these are not. Point out to me the false statement. Please I'll wait. The truth of the matter, for most products you buy... you never deal with the manufacturer. You deal with the retailer (or dealer) and you go home happy or unhappy.

I see your examples and that's a very impressive list you've accumulated here in your little world. Yet it doesn't change my statements validity. It's not a biased statement, it's just a true one.

Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which theses aren't.

Extraordinarily silly statement. There are hundreds if not thousands of registered members in this forum and a few others. All focused exclusively and specifically on vaprization topics. For every registered member there are a hundred that simply read and don't register. All of these people are potential customers to a manufacturer of vaporization products. And you would say that this group is meaningless to a company.

If the manufacturer wants a pulse of the marketplace, of course they turn to these forums. These forums are the fastest means for a manufacturer or consumer to gather real-time product feedback. They may not participate, but they most assuredly monitor. That's their business and livelihood.

Oh and since we're talking about facts this forum has 5250 members registered max. Even if it sold one unit to every person registered here. It would be a pimple on the ass of what is really being produced and sold by MANY of these manufacturers. The only pulse a manufacturer has to check is the sales pulse, to their retailer... NOT these forums. I promise you the MFLB team doesn't check here for the pulse of the market place... or how their product is doing. They check here as an extra effort. The first place they check is... their e-mail inbox. I promise you.

But I'm glad we're talking about the No2 again! I see you monkeys have nothing better to do but derail any discussion here. :/

Wahhhhhhhhhhhh my No2 isn't perfect Vapir is teh evul

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't even have an no2 or have tried one. Lets keep beating a dead horses skeleton.

Wahhhhhhhhhhh... The MANUFACTURER WON'T TALK TO ME ON A 3RD PARTY OPEN FORUM WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH



Grow up. Expand your mind. Think outside of your little box. Who knows maybe they've already addressed the issue. That's why there aren't more complaints... just more and more people that enjoy their product, get labeled, and scared off these forums.

Please, I'll wait. I asked some questions in my previous posts. Which have gone unanswered by the loyal naysayers here. I'm still waiting.

Oh and I'll offer an open taste challenge with my no2 out in long beach. Hollar at me!

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[lwien]

Listen here sparky. I'm going to make this very simple for your small brain.

I see your examples and that's a very impressive list you've accumulated here in your little world.

I see you monkeys have nothing better to do but derail any discussion here. :/

Grow up. Expand your mind. Think outside of your little box.

See, now you've really hurt my feelings.

I have a small brain. I live in a little world, in a little box and I'm a monkey named Sparky.

Fuck...............

 

[zombonaut]

http://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/vaporizer/vapir-no-2-vaporizer.html

Look at the 3rd line of the description.

 

[Adaox]

http://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/vaporizer/vapir-no-2-vaporizer.html

Look at the 3rd line of the description.

This is awesome! A retailer who clearly cares! I love it.

The last line is the best though

"We would like to be honest. The Vapir No2 give you a smell and taste of plastic! If you buy it dont cry later "

Let's agree that some no2's have a smell/taste of plastic. (From a primarily plastic product... awmagawd who'd a thunk it?!) If you buy it. Don't cry later.

No more tears in this thread now please?

 

[FLskwat]

Please, I'll wait. I asked some questions in my previous posts. Which have gone unanswered by the loyal naysayers here. I'm still waiting.

I did answer on the cleaning questions !

 

[Cairo1]

There's just no getting around the NO2 had a LOT of complaints. Mine is a piece of crap. I was screwed, so I let people know.

Frankly Adax you significantly cheapen this forum with your juvenile antics. I've read many posts and threads here at FC and have yet to see postings so immature and contentious.

 

[tdavie]

Let's agree that some no2's have a smell/taste of plastic. (From a primarily plastic product... awmagawd who'd a thunk it?!) If you buy it. Don't cry later.

No more tears in this thread now please?

With regard, ~$180 is a lot of money to some people. They expect the product to work and to not be defective. Clearly a lot of the N02's are. People bitch about them. Human nature, and in my opinion quite reasonable.

If you buy it, don't cry later???? Care to explain that?

regards

Tom

 

[VaporNation]

Forums generally mean little to a manufacturer. Unless it's their forums, which theses aren't.

Extraordinarily silly statement. There are hundreds if not thousands of registered members in this forum and a few others. All focused exclusively and specifically on vaprization topics. For every registered member there are a hundred that simply read and don't register. All of these people are potential customers to a manufacturer of vaporization products. And you would say that this group is meaningless to a company.

If the manufacturer wants a pulse of the marketplace, of course they turn to these forums. These forums are the fastest means for a manufacturer or consumer to gather real-time product feedback. They may not participate, but they most assuredly monitor. That's their business and livelihood.

This is very true! Just look at the MFLB thread, there are many posts by the Magic Flight company themselves! They read every post, as they stated in one of their more recent posts, and do so to make there company, product, and service better!

I am sure that they are not the only company that recognizes and utilizes this forum as a valuable source of customer feedback. I would even go so far as to say that vapir is probably aware of this forum, and has read this thread, or ones pertaining to them...IMO

I certainly agree with the two posts above. It's important for manufacturer's to connect with their customer base so they can receive feedback on how to improve their product or operations.

 

[willieR]

Exactly. I see you posting here frequently and what dealer wouldn't?

 

[vaporizers.ca]

It amazes me that a person has a bad experience and assumes that's the standard.
If you get a bad car, to assume that EVERY single model of that car is bad is just silly.

I'm a dealer who cares about his clients and got into this business to help people get off smoke. I have sold hundreds of Vapir NO2s, the satisfaction rate is over 90%. Our RMA rate has been VERY low, more than acceptable, especially for a new product.

Our high satisfaction rate and low RMAs is most likely due to our users getting the proper information, tech support and using it PROPERLY.

How many of the complainers used it at 200C and didn't do a proper burn in? Not only will that overheat your herbs big time making it taste more smokey (yuck) but you run the risk of burning the unit out. What you are essentially doing is driving a car in the red line all the time. Sure you can red line a car but if you drive in the red line, dead engine.

From a person that has been vaporizing 100% (I HATE SMOKE) for 7 years now, the Vapir NO2 is the portable / plug in to beat. When used PROPERLY, it works exceptionally well and the word of mouth referrals we are getting on them proves that.

Honestly, most big manufacturers don't bother with forums, especially ones with a swear word in the actual domain name. There are way too many trolls and unreasonable people, sad but true. Also, haters generally tell 10 people where as people that are happy only tell 2-3 people, that's just standard. So if a person is unhappy, he will go out of his way to make other people hear about it and that's normally via an online forum. It doesn't matter if that person completely used it wrong or doesn't even know what he's taking about, he'll type about it.

Here is our tip sheet, if you want the best Vapir NO2 experience, follow it:
- Heat the unit for 30 minutes on its own prior to first inhalation
- 173C (343F) is a high enough temperature in most cases
don't go higher unless necessary, lower is ALWAYS better
- Grind your herbs up, finer is better
- Keep your unit as clean as possible
- Scrape your top screen regularly
- Replace bottom and top screen when needed
To replace bottom screen, use tweezers to pull it out
To replace top screen, use thumb grooves on plastic holder
and turn, take out screen, replace it
- When plugged in, use a surge protector
- Use both thumbs when opening battery compartment
- Battery should last 40-60 minutes when charged
Base battery performance on time, not indicator bars

NOTE: 173C is the perfect temp for the NO2, super smooth, we've NEVER needed higher than 180C. They will be changing the manual to recommend a lower temperature in the next batch.

Final note: My main plug in unit is an Extreme Q so yes, I know what a kick ass vaporizer is like. I don't even use my Volcano anymore, I prefer the Extreme Q and NO2.

 

[lwien]

The plastic taste is honestly a non issue on the NO2, that was the biggest concern with the Oxygen so it was addressed with the NO2. All you need to do is 30 minutes to 1 hour burn in with no inhaling and you'll be ready to roll. Within a few hours of use after that, it will taste like whatever herb you are using.

So to make sure I am understanding you correctly, are you now saying that what you said above is not really true and what really needs to happen is to keep the temp at or below 173C (343F) in order to eliminate that toxic smell and taste?

And if that's the case, than I guess the recommendation would be that if someone wants to vape in the mid to upper temp ranges, and desires a clean smelling and tasting vaporizer, they should look elsewhere?

343F is pretty darn low in the vape temp ranges, eh? While you say, "we've NEVER needed higher than 180C (356F).....", I contend that for many, that temp is just too low.

 

[vaporizers.ca]

First, our post should have been at the end of the tread, here it is again:


mod note: Copying and pasting a post that you just made, is not allowed.

 

[gilligan]

First post. Been combusting MJ for almost 45 years [sheesh!] and started reading the FC forum just after purchasing my first vape: the now "Notorious NO2". I'm wasn't actually convinced to make my first post to give my review of the NO2 (my reason to post is below), but some of the group's veterans have trying tried to encourage input from poster's who actually own and/or used a Vapir NO2. So, I'll do that.

I bought my NO2 about 6 wks ago from a "marketplace" vendor for $129. I was basically ignorant about vapes, but the price seemed incredibly right, the sponsor site is one of the largest retailers on the Web, and my wife would definitely agree to $129 ... but $179 ...? So then, why not?

Well, my NO2 arrived on time, appeared to function as described, and contained all the parts. So I began to use it, and kept reading and reading several threads in the FC forum to get up to speed. I even think I found my NO2's "sweet spot" (169C). Two weeks later, suddenly (1) my ON-OFF switch fails, can't switch off the unit and (2) at the same moment, the heater appeared to fail: I'd press the red HTR button, but after an instant the red light went OFF -- no heater. (I focused on the battery/charger as the possible cause of BOTH issues; and actually got the heater to work again But I still own an NO2 that is "always on." Not the heater, it's off; the NO2 unit is in recharge mode. Finally (3) yesterday I began to notice a definite loosening at the seam (just below the ventilation area and just above where the smoother plastic begins). In reading earlier posts, I'm assuming this has, or will, implicate the heating chamber and the unit's ability to, well ... to "work." I firmly believe that I will soon own a non-functioning NO2 - that I got for a great price!

TASTE: I think that first-time vaporists (particularly ones with significant prior combusting are probably NOT the best judges of taste. That said, my NO2 may have had a slight plasticky odor/taste at the very beginning, but it disappeared quickly; so I don't THINK I have one of the "plastic-flavored" units.

zombonaut wrote:

http://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/ rizer.html

Look at the 3rd line of the description. lol

That statement is incredible!! "Truth in Retailing"? Or stupidity? Why would Vapir Inc. continue to wholesale to them? And I only know US law, but isn't the site (url above in quote) defaming the NO2 and Vapir? I mean, with all the reports and discussions about a "plastic smell" this dealer is not helping Vapir silence these concerns and sell the NO2 and if they are hurting Vapir with these false statements, in the US they could be liable for damages. UNLESS! What if the statements (like "... yup, they smell and taste like plastic, sure enough, so don't come cryin' to us afterwards") ARE ALL TRUE! Food for thought ...

MY RETAILER: My $129 purchase price apparently made it impossible to get a replacement under warranty; as Vapir has refused to honor the warranty unless the full $179 was paid, either to Vapir (direct) or to an authorized reseller (joke: How can you tell an "authorized reseller"? If you paid $179 for your NO2, they're authorized Ha-ha.).Check it out: When I contacted the seller about the on-off switch, they replied that they could only honor Vapir's warranty if I paid them an additional $50! In return for which they'd send me a new invoice showing a retail price of $179; and said (in so many words) that they were forced into this position because Vapir is trying to control the price of the NO2 in the marketplace. Something smells in all of this -- and it's not the plastic.

I'll leave it to others with a lot more understanding of the vape marketplace to process some of these interesting, intertwined issues regarding the NO2 ("price fixing," "product liability," (plastic fumes), "breach of warranty"-- Oh, shoot! What do I know about stuff like that, anyways? I'm just a stoner, right?!

I'll definitely continue reading here and if I ever think I could contribute and help someone else, I'll give it a shot.

Phew!

 

[willieR]

Clearly there are a lot of defective or otherwise unsatisfactory units out there. Looking at a few other threads (not all of them) it seems that there's more outright anger here than even iolite had back in the days when their stems were melting. The NO2 has more serious problems.

For those dealers telling us they've sold hundreds and they don't get many returns, what can be said? All I know is that there are an awful lot of people pissed that they bought one. Why not choose another vape considering there are soooo many excellent vapes available without such a dirty track record?

Also mr vaporizers.ca , I wouldn't expect someone to read all 26 pages of this thread, but if you did you'd see it's ridiculous to say we simply didn't break our units in correctly or we're vaping at too high a temp. Of course we're going to burn-in the units first before using.

 

[vaporizers.ca]

From lwien: "So to make sure I am understanding you correctly, are you now saying that what you said above is not really true and what really needs to happen is to keep the temp at or below 173C (343F) in order to eliminate that toxic smell and taste? And if that's the case, than I guess the recommendation would be that if someone wants to vape in the mid to upper temp ranges, and desires a clean smelling and tasting vaporizer, they should look elsewhere? 343F is pretty darn low in the vape temp ranges, eh? While you say, "we've NEVER needed higher than 180C (356F).....", I contend that for many, that temp is just too low."

The above reply is exactly why most dealers and manufacturers avoid forums. When I first came on here, I got nothing but people making penis comments, people commenting that had never even tried it, etc.. I was considering becoming a sponsor but after my experience, I didn't come back here.
Also, love your standard debating style, ignore a ton of good points so you can pick on one that you think you can beat me on.

There is no "now saying", I've always recommended people run at a lower temp, we've been including those tip sheets with our unit since September. Running at max temp is not a good move, the farther away from combustion the better, the more pure the vapor.

1. There is no toxic smell or taste, I completely dispute that. There is a SLIGHT plastic taste when the unit is brand new but after 30 minutes, its gone. There is no toxic smell or taste, if yours smells like that its either a defective unit or just a total fabrication to make Vapir look bad. But hey, what would I know, I've tested dozens of units, used one actively since JULY (still going strong) and had HUNDREDS of happy clients. Maybe they all have defective taste buds and noses (that is sarcasm).

2. The Vapir NO2 runs hot, hence the post below me only needing 169C. So at 173C, you are running hot enough to VAPORIZER EVERY HERB WE TRIED including the one the people on this forum like the most. We've had a few clients need to go up to 180C but that's the max. I personally have NEVER needed hotter and the vapor has been smooth and tasty for me every time. Anyone who knows vaporizers knows you START LOW, once it produces vapor, you stop turning up the temp.

So 173C recommended, 180C MAX is hot enough for even the green stuff, I know this is true to my personal experience.

Some units run colder like the Extreme Q, you need 205C-210C.
Are you saying that all herbs require 205C because the Extreme does?
OF COURSE NOT, some units run hot, some run colder.

The Vapir NO2 runs hot, you only need 173C, 180C Max
This is partially due to it being a closed system, that makes it hotter.

Remember - I love the Extreme Q, I own a Volcano, I've used Vriptechs, Magic Flights, iolites, Vapor Boxes, Vapor Daddy's, I've tried most of the vaporizers out there. I am not just a Vapir guy, I am loyal to vaporizers that work and make my clients happy, end of story.

Also, we are the ones who created the herb list with the temperatures that you see on the net. I KNOW my stuff when it comes to vaporizing herbs and my temps for the above units are accurate. Quite often you do need hotter than 173C, NOT with the Vapir NO2.

FINAL NOTE: We offer an exchange program for clients that aren't happy. If our NO2 clients weren't happy, they'd be upgrading to another unit, that is not happening, they are HAPPY.

Gilligan - I respect your post and here is a few answers. Vapir does not control the price, they just have a minimum allowed advertised price for dealers that want their clients to get warranty, dealers are free to charge more. If you buy below that minimum price though, you are buying grey market and you are on your own. That is standard procedure for most manufacturers. This is to stop distributors and large dealers from going rogue and killing the retail market. Your on/off switch is a rare issue (only one of our units had this happen) but won't affect the use of the vaporizer at all. For your seam, you can easily buy a new top but a good cleaning should help with that. Also, even if the seam does fail a bit, you could easily rig a fix for that. Even if the seal is a bit weak, that will just mean you need to draw harder and possibly turn it up slightly. We can't help you with warranty since you bought grey but if you contact us directly, we can help you with support at a minimum.

Thanks!

 

[lwien]

The above reply is exactly why most dealers and manufacturers avoid forums.

That's just not true. It's the exact same thing that Adaox said above and I listed a BUNCH of vaporizer manufacturers that are active here.

When I first came on here, I got nothing but people making penis comments.....

Penis comments?

Also, love your standard debating style, ignore a ton of good points so you can pick on one that you think you can beat me on.

Of course I'm only going to bring up those statements to debate that I either disagree with or have questions about. That's what debating is, is it not?

1. There is no toxic smell or taste, I completely dispute that.

 

[wilf789]

To be honest you could both be right; some are fine, some are not.

But considering that this is the only thread where there is consistent arguing and bad reports, as well as some good ones, doesn't that say something about the NO2?

Why buy something that isn't almost perfect? You have the right to expect the best as a consumer, especially if there's clear evidence of other vapourisers with almost none of the issues listed in this thread.

Sure the NO2 might work great for plenty of people, but why take the risk that you might get a defective unit when there are other models that do the same job without any of this hassle?

To me it just doesn't make sense: Things I have little first-hand experience of, I read about first. If I were to come across this forum for the first time again, it would take about half an hour to read parts of this thread and then parts of the Magic Flight thread (for example) and see the difference in peoples' responses as a clear indicator of which way to go with my purchase.