Vaping thru a bong with water and without. Unsuspected differences.

[luchiano]

So you're telling me you're getting small particles? And that vapor is too hot for your liking?


Seems to me that bag solves both of those problems. When vapors gets blown into a bag, you're not getting any particles.

You want to cool off the vapors? How about letting it sit in a bag for 4-5 seconds. BAM cooled vapors. Seems to me that those are problems associated with whip vapes not necessarily bag vapes.

I didn't say water traps a lot of THC, it traps some, probably a very small amount, but regardless the study says that it trapped SOME thc.

"The water did trap some THC, as well as other psychoactive compounds"
(http://www.ukcia.org/research/EffectsOfWaterFiltrationOnMarijuanaSmoke.php)



The people who use volcano for mixed drinks are using it for the aroma of herbs to infuse it with drinks/food. That doesn't have to do anything with cannabis.

I think you are being contrary just to be it because everything you stated makes no sense.

Particular matter os being released because of heat not because of a whip so that makes no sense what you're stating.

Letting vapor sit in a bag is still not going to solve the drying of the respiratory system the excess air causes and even though it sat in the bag from 4-5 seconds it's not going to be cool as the vapor sent through water and the water will add moisture to prevent the excess drying.

Lastly, herbs are herb so what is the difference between their herbs and cannabis besides vaping at different temperatures?. Plus in you're own words you claim you're losing vaping with water and I showed you how to reclaim what was lost even though the lost was minimal.

 

[mintberrycrunch]

I think you are being contrary just to be it because everything you stated makes no sense.

Particular matter os being released because of heat not because of a whip so that makes no sense what you're stating.

Letting vapor sit in a bag is still not going to solve the drying of the respiratory system the excess air causes and even though it sat in the bag from 4-5 seconds it's not going to be cool as the vapor sent through water and the water will add moisture to prevent the excess drying.

Lastly, herbs are herb so what is the difference between their herbs and cannabis besides vaping at different temperatures?. Plus in you're own words you claim you're losing vaping and I showed you how to reclaim what was lost even though the lost was minimal.

Really? You're kidding...

So you're telling me that Vapors are too dry and that you need to add water... you're using heat to burn off thc maybe inhalation isn't the right choice for you and you should go to edibles because all those times you were combusting must've been terrible for you. EXCESS DRYING... you're kidding.


You said water effectively cools it, this can be achieved just by letting it sit briefly in a bag.

Water doesn't enhance anything, where you are getting this is baffling.



Your last paragraph makes no sense, they are infusing herbs with food for their aroma. They are not VAPORIZING to INHALE THE HERBS.

THC is a chemical NOT found on other herbs, and with that article I showed you, it says that SOME THC gets trapped in the water. For you to think that cooking with a volcano WITH OTHER HERBS has anything to do with water filtration and the effects of it on THC is pretty hilarious.

how do you ignore people.

 

[luchiano]

I think you are being contrary just to be it because everything you stated makes no sense.

Particular matter os being released because of heat not because of a whip so that makes no sense what you're stating.

Letting vapor sit in a bag is still not going to solve the drying of the respiratory system the excess air causes and even though it sat in the bag from 4-5 seconds it's not going to be cool as the vapor sent through water and the water will add moisture to prevent the excess drying.

Lastly, herbs are herb so what is the difference between their herbs and cannabis besides vaping at different temperatures?. Plus in you're own words you claim you're losing vaping and I showed you how to reclaim what was lost even though the lost was minimal.

Really? You're kidding...

So you're telling me that Vapors are too dry and that you need to add water... you're using heat to burn off thc maybe inhalation isn't the right choice for you and you should go to edibles because all those times you were combusting must've been terrible for you. EXCESS DRYING... you're kidding.


You said water effectively cools it, this can be achieved just by letting it sit briefly in a bag.

Water doesn't enhance anything, where you are getting is baffling.



Your last paragraph makes no sense, they are infusing herbs with food for their aroma. They are not VAPORIZING to INHALE THE HERBS.

THC is a chemical NOT found on other herbs, and with that article I showed you, it says that SOME THC gets trapped in the water.

Yes, combustion was terrible for my HEALTH and others for the same reason(particulate matter) plus more. Vaporizing is way better but it's not 100% better until the water is added and learning how to manipulate temperatures to prevent light oils from burning which prevents any carcinogenic compounds being made when the temperature gets high.

Again, water will cool the vapor down way more than letting it sit in a bag which will cause condensation if done too long which means loss of vapor.

As far as the drinks you stated that you will lose vapor and I'm trying to show you that by inhaling vapor through water you are infusing your water with the flavor and thc of cannabis and can drink the water if you don't want to lose anything but for some reason you don't get this idea. Did you even see the video because if you did you would notice she used a whip that was going into the alcohol drink to infuse it with Rosemary flavor.

Also you can't forget the most big thing to me and that is a concentrated vapor off of very little lung power which is big especially for people who are new to vaporizing and you want to show them how to get blasted while still being healthy and savoring the flavor of the herb that they will never get from smoking or using automatic vaporizers.

Don't get me wrong the volcano is an excellent vaporizer but if you want to do certain things to their max it isn't for you. It is for someone who just wants to sit back, relax and have the work done for them which means some things are going to have to be left out.

 

[mintberrycrunch]

I think you are being contrary just to be it because everything you stated makes no sense.

Particular matter os being released because of heat not because of a whip so that makes no sense what you're stating.

Letting vapor sit in a bag is still not going to solve the drying of the respiratory system the excess air causes and even though it sat in the bag from 4-5 seconds it's not going to be cool as the vapor sent through water and the water will add moisture to prevent the excess drying.

Lastly, herbs are herb so what is the difference between their herbs and cannabis besides vaping at different temperatures?. Plus in you're own words you claim you're losing vaping and I showed you how to reclaim what was lost even though the lost was minimal.

Really? You're kidding...

So you're telling me that Vapors are too dry and that you need to add water... you're using heat to burn off thc maybe inhalation isn't the right choice for you and you should go to edibles because all those times you were combusting must've been terrible for you. EXCESS DRYING... you're kidding.


You said water effectively cools it, this can be achieved just by letting it sit briefly in a bag.

Water doesn't enhance anything, where you are getting is baffling.



Your last paragraph makes no sense, they are infusing herbs with food for their aroma. They are not VAPORIZING to INHALE THE HERBS.

THC is a chemical NOT found on other herbs, and with that article I showed you, it says that SOME THC gets trapped in the water.

Yes, combustion was terrible for my HEALTH and others for the same reason(particulate matter) plus more. Vaporizing is way better but it's not 100% better until the water is added and learning how to mamnipulate temperatures to prevent light oils from burning which prevents any carcinogenic compounds being made when the temperature gets high.

Again, water will cool the vapor down way more than letting it sit in a bag which will cause condensation if done too long which means loss of vapor.

As far as the drinks you stated that you will lose vapor and I'm trying to show you that by inhaling vapor through water you are infusing your water with the flavor and thc of cannabis and can drink the water if you don't want to lose anything but for some reason you don't ge this idea.

Also you can't forget the most big thing to me and that is a concentrated vapor off of very little lung power which is big especially for people who are new to vaporizing and you want to show them how to get blasted while still being healthy and savoring the flavor of the herb that they will never get from smoking or using automatic vaporizers.

Don't get me wrong the volcano is an excellent vaporizer but if you want to do certain things to their max it isn't for you. It is for someone who just wants to sit back, relax and have the work done for them which means some things are going to have to be left out.

Really? Leaving vapor in a bag will cause condensation?


Pretty sure there's no moisture in there because someone told me it was really dry. So how there is condensation in a bag is really funny to me.


I also said it was minimal, the lost of thc, you can drink it if you want. Won't be worth it, but go for it.


Like I said, bags will solve your issues. You want concentrated vapors? It's all in a bag for you.

 

[luchiano]

I'm done because now you are just fighting to fight with no reason, "A rebel without a cause".

Condensation is caused by cooling and since the chemicals we want are oils they don't condense into water so easily BUT they will codense on a cool surface such as a bag due to high surface area.

 

[mintberrycrunch]

Yeah because you know you have no argument. For vapors to even reach that point is incredibly long. The loss of THC from bags is so minuscule probably less then water. But why go through the process of putting it through water when I can just let it sit?

It'll be cooled as well.

 

[caseball2051]

Im not weeding through some of these responses, but i will add some insight.

Water filtration is not only to cool smoke. As its name indicates, it helps filter the smoke, leaving particulates inside the water. Ever wonder why bong water gets so gross?

After using my MZ for a few months, it is evident that some matter gets through the screen. This is also evident in other vapes. Why else do you think that wands and stems get so dirty? Anyone that has ever used a pretty dirty stem to suck up material knows that this is true.

 

[mintberrycrunch]

Bong water gets gross because of the smoke. Yeah there's stuff that gets in there but that's not why the water is gross. It's because of the smoke.

And yeah, water is needed to filter SMOKE, not VAPORS.


My point being that particulates is eliminated by the bags.

 

[caseball2051]

Its because of what the smoke leaves behind and what is filtered out of it.

They are not eliminated by bags. that is why some bags have joints so you can hook them up to a bong.

 

[mintberrycrunch]

Vaporizing eliminates carcinogens far better then what water can do with smoke. All that stuff water tries to filter out? It has been filtered out already.


Don't know how you're getting so much particulate from a vaporizer when:

"Vapor ideally contains virtually zero particulate matter or tar, and significantly lower concentrations of noxious gases such as carbon monoxide."


Maybe the MZ isn't a good vape. I don't know I haven't used it. But all that particulate matter doesn't get blown into bag vapors because I've never had that problem or my Silver Surfer.

 

[Beezleb]

I vape and I smoke. I am not a prude who thinks they know better. Vaping is just an alternative to imbibing but it is clearly my choice but not the choice for everybody.

If anyone gets butt hurt because someone likes vaping or whatnot. Well, that is funny to me.

I love me some condensed THC on a wand, which I would not classify as gross but I can see how some would.

 

[caseball2051]

Im done here. If you find this absurd, dont do it. its pretty simple.

Youre obviously very closed minded and unwilling to hear others, or read what they write comprehensively.

Beez- wasnt implying that it was gross, btu you can see the particulates in the wand hash sometimes. which shows that some goes through. Just an observation

 

[mintberrycrunch]

I just think people who think that water does anything to vapor is really funny. Not butthurt at all.



Yeah the particulates that is on your stem, that doesn't get into bags. Which is why I said bags eliminate your problems, air pump vaporizers are incredible efficient at producing vapors without any particulates getting into the bags.


You're not reading what I have to write, what benefit is there from water filtration? None. You guys can do whatever you want though.



This might not be the case with the EQ as it is just a desktop fan. Which is why a Zephyr Ion or Volcano is far superior.

 

[Beezleb]

I tend to think particules depends on how you prepare you material before hand. Not too fine but you do not want it in big chunks other.

I do not use a bong to eliminate particles. With a Zephyr this is not my issue but I like doing bongs better than bags and use the zephyr accordingly. Its not about heat/particles but volume per draw for me

 

[Nycdeisel]

As someone said here already, particulate matter will always come through in a vaporizer, which is where water filtration/diffusion comes in.
Even if its very small, there are particles coming through the screen. After a few loads through the vapor bong I can really see all the particulates that the water trapped. Otherwise those particles would have gone into my body.

 

[Pappy]

I tend to think particules depends on how you prepare you material before hand. Not too fine but you do not want it in big chunks other.

I do not use a bong to eliminate particles. With a Zephyr this is not my issue but I like doing bongs better than bags and use the zephyr accordingly. Its not about heat/particles but volume per draw for me

You'd be surprised, Beez. The filtration in my bongs regularly produce visible vapor scum.

 

[Beezleb]

Oh I believe you. I am just saying I use bongs for other reasons, bigger hits, as offering a different perspective for why someone may use a bong. I have a terminal disease and really do not care about bad mojo so much if its not inconveniencing my sessions. I do get you on the scum thing.

I did not mean to take away from the issue.

 

[OO]

i already stated it earlier for the chap who can't pull it together, but i believe the point of using water filtration is to condense out some of the higher boiling psychoactives that give more of a stoney high.

water is a great thermal conductor, and will pull heat out of vapor.

 

[smokeberry]

Particulates are the Achilles heel of vaporising.

Vaping is an ace way to remove the surface oils from the Herb but, when you think about it, whip vapes also create a superb way to sieve the smallest particles out of plant matter.
Drawing hot air over and through plant material that is held by a sieve like screen, causes the material to shrink and crumble. Add a couple of stirs into the equation and you've just got yourself a cracking way of removing the smallest of the particles from the material and placing it directly in your lungs.

I double screen the SSV and still see tiny bits and bobs in the water.

Honestly, regularly taking small amounts of dried plant straight into your lungs will have an impact on your health at some point.

Smoking is poison compared to vaporising but, been that electronic vaping is still in its infancy (20 or 30 years?) and changing and improving constantly, I honestly don't think the present SS screen method is perfect either. Add water though...

edit

Adding moisture is a good second factor. I can hit longer and go far deeper using water.

I get serious cotton mouth and find swallowing hurts eventually (haha).

 

[Egzoset]

One of my favourite themes consists in imagining technologies of the future, the Oreck is said to do a good job at particles removal so...

 

[bigbossgrayfox03]

This thread has been a wonderful read for me. I experimented through a bong without water and although it was really dry it was, I feel, a more stoney hit than with water (as mentioned here by @OO ).

I cannot ever go without water again as years of bong hits made my throat sensitive, but this was worth experimenting with. And worth reviving, in my opinion

I will try the warm water next.

 

[kellya86]

I am in the process of trying to remove the water, which I believe condenses a considerable amount of active compounds, but to deliver it better.

So the vapour doesn't actually pass through water, but is mixed with water vapour at the right temperature and at the right point it the vapour path.

This should add the precious moisture people crave, without stripping any goodies out of the vapour...

 

[biohacker]

Looks like i'm experimenting without water today! @kellya86 how are you filtering through water vapour only? That sounds awesome. My glass pieces look like they have boogers all over the downstems, and it happens FAST, so there is some pretty huge loss too IMO, so I think you are bang on about that massive amount of condensate.

 

[kellya86]

I have 2 eq's...
My plan is to run herb through one as normal..
Then vapourise water in the other(at the same time), then splice them together up the whip somewhere,

And maybe I'll get moisturised vapour without my vapour passing through water and condensing actives....

 

[biohacker]

That sounds pretty cool! I just tried my glass piece dry with both the Solo and HerbalAire and it was weird! It didn't milk up as much, and the feeling of the draw was so weird! I'll have to experiment some more....not sure if I notice a difference in effect yet.