Discontinued VapeXhaleLabs Presents: The Cloud

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max

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Sounds like stirring won't be much of a pain in the ass.
It's totally painless (unless you load too much) since normally stirring isn't required. If you do feel the need, a little shaking of the bowl should do the trick. Stirring a whip bowl is a breeze, but stirring the Cloud bowl means removing it from the vape, and uncapping it-a real chore in comparison. It'll be much easier to load the right amount, and not have to mess with the bowl until it's done. Also, it's best to avoid using fine ground herb in this bowl, since that could restrict air flow and/or require shaking or stirring. And with the bowl being made of screen material, you want to avoid fine particles as much as possible.
 
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IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
max said:
Sounds like stirring won't be much of a pain in the ass.
It's totally painless (unless you load too much) since normally stirring isn't required. If you do feel the need, a little shaking of the bowl should do the trick. Stirring a whip bowl is a breeze, but stirring the Cloud bowl means removing it from the vape, and uncapping it-a real chore in comparison. It'll be much easier to load the right amount, and not have to mess with the bowl until it's done. Also, it's best to avoid using fine ground herb in this bowl, since that could restrict air flow and/or require shaking or stirring. And with the bowl being made of screen material, you want to avoid fine particles as much as possible.

IMO it is not a pain in the ass to take out the bowl, uncap, and stir once per fat load. You an also uncap and stir while still in the tube, or shake as max suggested. Stirring is easier or on par with stirring with the Supreme, the only other vape in my lineup that requires little to no stirring beside maybe the Solo IMO
 
IAmKrazy2,

max

Out to lunch
I didn't even think about uncapping while leaving the bowl in place. Stupid me. I found no need to stir though. If I unload a Cloud bowl and decide there's some unvaped herb left, I'll just reload it. It was pretty easy to load for complete vaping with no stirring though, so I've been happy with that aspect.
 
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vape4life

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IAmKrazy2 said:
Glad my post was helpful vape4life. After I fell in love with my first beta VXC the fact that really low temp vape no longer needing to be thin and wispy blew me away. I was taking uber low temp hits, but blowing insane fat clouds..

My level of stoke has just gone through the roof! You see, I can't comprehend this based on my experience with various vapes over the years. I have always cranked temps up to get full vapor extraction, as wispy never cut it for me. I'm so seriously looking forward to low temp vaping producing CLOUDS. Sick.

MAX:

Based on what you say, it seems like that bowl won't be very good for kief, bubble hash, etc due to clogging, yet I recall that it's supposed to be awesome with those types of concentrates. I suppose just more shake and stir?

Regardless, it's gonna be alot better than the EQ so i'm happy. I was constantly stirring that bowl, not a huge pain, but I know the Cloud is gonna be much more efficient and extract more.

Thanks for your insights dudes!
 
vape4life,

Bluntcrush

Director of Vapor Research Labs™
IAmKrazy2 said:
Don't have time to add too much, but here is a little info on the VXC vs. some of its biggest competitors.

With almost every vape i have/had stirring is needed to help break up plant matter and expose more surface area to vaporizing temp. After much testing with the VXC, IMO you need one good stir for one good size bowl. This vape could/can be used without stirring whatsoever in small bowls loads but the bigger ones i do see increase in taste and vapor production after the stir. Sometimes i stir twice on a fully packed down can't get any more herb in bowl pack, but i think mostly out of habit.

The VHW and LSV need constant stirring. This is not a huge issue for me in theory, but i HATE how the screen can often come dislodged during stirring. This happens very often to me with the LSV, and sometimes with the VHW branded bowls, and all the damn time with BM bowls for the VHW. What i hate about this most, is i get little vaporized particles stuck in tree perks and other hard to clean places in my glass. It is annoying as hell.

With the VXC EZ load design, no worries. Stir hard and quick, no issue spinning a screen on its side with a poke and letting herb fall down where it shouldn't go. So although stirring is not nearly as necessary as the vast majority of other vapes, when you do need to stir it is quicker, easier, cleaner.

There is also something to be said about the VXC and VHW in that air in the vapor path never touches the heating element like in the LSV, and MW. IMO this produces tastier less hot and harsh vapor. It just seems to be of better quality in the VHW/VXC.

The VXC is the least restricted as far as air flow of the three vapes. the LSV does a decent job in this, but not as easy to pull through as the VXC and as said above air never touches the HE. The VHW is pretty restricted, and this can cause some first time user problems, and takes away from the overall experience IMO.

I would much prefer the LSV and the VHW also had an on and off switch. I basically hate not having any hash marks on the LSV. I am the guy who can't read a watch that has no numbers and indicators. I hated watches that just had hands, no numbers or markers, i never knew what damn time it was. The LSV is the same way. Typically, when turning on the LSV or VHW i pump them up all the way for 10 or 15 minutes, than dial back to vape temp. Lack of hash marks or any sort of indicator of what position the dial is on in the LSV annoys the hell out of me. A tiny tweek in the dial makes a big difference, and i always have a hard time dialing back to the V spot during my first bowl. I have to start low, and dial up a hair at a time. Doable, but annoying.

The VXC heats quicker, and you could leave the unit at your favorite temp, and just turn on and off (no need to change temps during a session like most other vapes). That said, people will sometimes still want to pump it up and VX should have hash marks or indicators of some sort on the final version. (Haven't asked recently, but it was an area i insisted SM look into improving, i used a sharpie marker to draw a little dot on my beta unit in the V spot)

The above is some of the smaller issues and improvements i have seen over the competition on the VXC. This does not include vapor thickness, overall package, ease of use, ect. I have already made plenty of posts about that previously.... Happy waiting fellas, im in the same boat as the rest of you currently, as i no longer have the original zero unit, AKA Old Faithful in the lineup...

LSV is the current daily driver, as i sold my VHW. Believe me when i say, all other vapes seem less appealing when the VXC is in the lineup. Or at the very least, all other water tool based vapes. I know the Solo and PD will always have use regardless, although my PD's have been fading from view. I am expecting a constant place for the Oracle and newest EV1 also.
Wow-
Great read IamKrazy2!!
I love some of the insights that you pointed out! Not having had the opportunity to try the cloud yet (licks lips in anticipation) I think you have filled in a lot of the questions for many of us who have been following this thread since the beginning. Thanks again!

Also- here's a big ol vapey holidaze greeting to all of my friends on FC!!! I hope that it is a magical time for all of you and yours, it looks like 2012 is looking pretty cloudy!!! :D I am very happy to have stumbled onto this great community when I did! Cheers everyone!!!
 
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Ville23

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Great info IAmKrazy2! Now you have us drooling even more.

I do appreciate SM55's honesty and keeping us updated with everything.
I've been reading back in this thread and if I'm already going crazy waiting for this baby after only a few months, I can't imagine how some of you must feel waiting for over a year+.
It's totally gonna be worth it. As it's been said many times, it's gonna be a game changer!
And I'm gonna try my best to patiently wait...for now ;)
 
Ville23,

jackstraw62

Low temp deadhead vaporist
sounds like it is getting close. can't remember when i pre-ordered (senior moment) seems so long ago. thanks to the vapeXhale for periodic updates.
 
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vapormonkey

Well-Known Member
So let me get this straight. There's going to be a massive build of 100 units? Are you sure the factory floor is up to it?
 
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vape4life

Banned for life
lol no recent posts...are we all burnt out from this vape? I can't think of anymore questions or anything else to stir up discussion! Just gonna wait patiently... it sure is gonna be a sweet day.
 
vape4life,

Seek

Apprentice Daydreamer
You're right, imo 160 pages for an upcoming vape is enough. Oh what am I saying. Need next dose of cloud porn. Eh, with a tobacco or something.
 
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Raf007

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IAmKrazy2....you are crazy to wait 10-15 min with your lsv at full blast time as a preheat :D
I only wait 3 maybe 5 maximum before turning it down to my sweet spot...and I think that is what is advised in the manual...or are our LSV's that different?
 
Raf007,

vape4life

Banned for life
On the twelfth day of tolerance break my body gave to me, a full nights sleep! So now my brain is working a little better and thought of a question....

The heat up time is supposed to be 2 minutes? Or 5 minutes or something..? Are we "good to go" after that? I mean, I know the first pull won't be huge or anything, but with my EQ it would get up to temp and then there was that stupid waiting period of getting the bowl/herb warmed up. With the Cloud, are we gonna be seriously blowing clouds in 5 minutes or less? Or will it be longer with many pulls to heat up the herb?

My guess is serious clouds in 2-5 mins? (i've seen both numbers quoted) Also, is it worthwhile to go out and spend $300+ on some mobius or is it pointless because the HT's are "designed" specifically for the Cloud and vapor and nothing could work better? Just wondering if I should buy some good glass, or another HT.

This thing is gonna cripple me.... can't wait!!!!
 
vape4life,
vape4life said:
On the twelfth day of tolerance break my body gave to me, a full nights sleep! So now my brain is working a little better and thought of a question....

The heat up time is supposed to be 2 minutes? Or 5 minutes or something..? Are we "good to go" after that? I mean, I know the first pull won't be huge or anything, but with my EQ it would get up to temp and then there was that stupid waiting period of getting the bowl/herb warmed up. With the Cloud, are we gonna be seriously blowing clouds in 5 minutes or less? Or will it be longer with many pulls to heat up the herb?

My guess is serious clouds in 2-5 mins? (i've seen both numbers quoted) Also, is it worthwhile to go out and spend $300+ on some mobius or is it pointless because the HT's are "designed" specifically for the Cloud and vapor and nothing could work better? Just wondering if I should buy some good glass, or another HT.

This thing is gonna cripple me.... can't wait!!!!

I beleive it takes 5 minutes to heat up. its an alot faster heat up time compared to the EQ. I personally own a mobius and a LW 15 arm bubbler and i can personally say that it is well worth it. They are fun to use and aesthetically appealing. The HTs are designed for the cloud but the cloud is designed to be used with any glass. Honestly, my advice to you is to just wait for the cloud with the HT and if you feel you want something more afterwards then buy a piece.
 
VaporBoxed,

Bluntcrush

Director of Vapor Research Labs™
VaporBoxed said:
vape4life said:
On the twelfth day of tolerance break my body gave to me, a full nights sleep! So now my brain is working a little better and thought of a question....

The heat up time is supposed to be 2 minutes? Or 5 minutes or something..? Are we "good to go" after that? I mean, I know the first pull won't be huge or anything, but with my EQ it would get up to temp and then there was that stupid waiting period of getting the bowl/herb warmed up. With the Cloud, are we gonna be seriously blowing clouds in 5 minutes or less? Or will it be longer with many pulls to heat up the herb?

My guess is serious clouds in 2-5 mins? (i've seen both numbers quoted) Also, is it worthwhile to go out and spend $300+ on some mobius or is it pointless because the HT's are "designed" specifically for the Cloud and vapor and nothing could work better? Just wondering if I should buy some good glass, or another HT.

This thing is gonna cripple me.... can't wait!!!!

I beleive it takes 5 minutes to heat up. its an alot faster heat up time compared to the EQ. I personally own a mobius and a LW 15 arm bubbler and i can personally say that it is well worth it. They are fun to use and aesthetically appealing. The HTs are designed for the cloud but the cloud is designed to be used with any glass. Honestly, my advice to you is to just wait for the cloud with the HT and if you feel you want something more afterwards then buy a piece.

Yes!
I agree get your self some good glass! Mobius, Sovereignty, or something along those lines! You will be very happy!!
 
Bluntcrush,

vape4life

Banned for life
Thanks guys, my plan will be just a HT and then probably a second HT, and then save up for the Mobius cuz it looks so damn awesome!
 
vape4life,

max

Out to lunch
vape4life said:
Based on what you say, it seems like that bowl won't be very good for kief, bubble hash, etc due to clogging, yet I recall that it's supposed to be awesome with those types of concentrates. I suppose just more shake and stir?
Well, you have to take precautions with most vapes for materials that tend to clog screens. It's easy to add screen protection for these types of substances. Although I haven't used anything in the Cloud but bud and have no personal experience to offer, I think others have.

vsurf500 said:
The downside of the closed screen chamber is you can't see what's going on
I can't see what's going on in my SSV wand until I've taken a hit and removed the whip. It's just easier to detach a wand than to pull the Cloud bowl. Again, I found no need to stir, and the easiest thing to do for me was to just hit it an extra time or two. No more vapor-the bowl is done, at least at that temp setting. I think this bowl design is easily a big enough plus to overcome any minuses.
 
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SD_haze

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vape4life said:
max: screen protection? Are you referring to a sandwhich of kief between herb?

You can add an extra screen or two on top of the EZB so the EZB's screen doesn't get super gunked up.

Designated concentrate screens.
 
SD_haze,

IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
Raf007 said:
IAmKrazy2....you are crazy to wait 10-15 min with your lsv at full blast time as a preheat :D
I only wait 3 maybe 5 maximum before turning it down to my sweet spot...and I think that is what is advised in the manual...or are our LSV's that different?

I guess that is more out of habit, with countless days and months with the VHW as my daily driver. The VHW does take longer to heat, then LSV,VXC and i like to give it at least the 10-15mins... I do think the LSV works a little better too after being on for a long time, when the glass is fully heated and i can dial it back down a hair.

I often turn it on full blast and go take my morning shower, or go cook food. I typically turn on a vape when i wake up, or get home when i'm gone at work or play. Heat up time in AM is shit, shower, shave most of the time. When at home, i have a water tool vape ready to go, almost all the time. My original VHW was on for 3 or 4 days in a row a few times, I mean without ever dialing down or unplugging. But it was at a lower vape temp.
 
IAmKrazy2,

Vitolo

Vaporist
All this water talk... you guys made me get out 2 bongs... and not just the LSV...
I brought out the MagickWand! :cool:
I forgot how much I liked that!
 
Vitolo,

Raf007

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I kinda use the Lsv the same as you do IamCrazy2 :) only I know that when I get back home from work if I want I can just turn it on at ful blast and 5 min max is what I need to take out the coat, say hello to the gf, grab a peps and load a bowl .;) (heat up time way faster than the EQ vape4life, and no preheating of course).

I haven't thougt of it, but not being able to see what's happening in the bowl during the hit may be the biggest subjectiv con of the VXC. I just love to watch the herb changing color while hitting with the lsv and althouth the magikwand is a nice piece it's getting way way too hot to handle or to be laid down anywhere and you don't have a clear of view of the bowl...should use ur LSV Vitolo :D
 
Raf007,

MarcellusWiley

Dab Trotter
According to what he said...hopefully the first 100ish orders should be available around the first week in January.

Here's to hoping the ball gets rolling quickly and the rest of us can get ours soon enough!
 
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yeah i mean 100 units is not much, that would sell out very fast, less than a day i imagine, then what?

i wonder if they considered doing a larger build up so more could go out an once

and if not, i wonder how long it takes to make 100 of these. Seems a nice assembly line could push out a few hundred a day....
 
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