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salutations StoneMonkey and fellow weather watchers, i think the pigeon delivering my order email must have broken a wing or been eaten by a cat or something...
stonemonkey55 said:I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.
Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more even vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.
Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.
I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.
The trees have more slits but the showerdome uses he slits more effectively.
weedemon said:SGV Showerdome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BoYT-n_Z8 or more recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBdp_xNNKI
+ bigger bubbles and more "gluggy"
+ recessed joint
+smaller overall size
+ more durable from a build perspective.
stonemonkey55 said:pngwyn said:IAmKrazy2 said:Or you could ask me, or check out my original VXC Beta review a while back. I owned the LSV back then too.
I'll tell you this; the LSV is not even close in ease of use with a water tool and thickness of vapor hits as the VXC. Night and day. The VXC was designed from the ground up, the LSV (although i think it is one of the best vapes on the market) is just a redesigned housing for the exact same heating element 7th Floor has been using for years. The VXC has a custom heating element that wraps around a glass tube. If you went toke for toke with the VXC, it'd be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
The VHW is better as a wand vape than the LSV also, but i do like the less restricted airflow of the LSV, something few vapes do better (the VXC being one of the few).
*edit. Although you probably won't catch Monkey55 comparing the two, i know he owns a LSV also. He is a vape head like the rest of us, and buys a lot of the toys. If the VXC wasn't leaps and bounds ahead of the competition (including the LSV) i think he'd still be at the drawing board or still working for another quality vaporizer company IMO. With the VHW in house, i almost never use the LSV to be honest, with the VXC in house, the VHW will see no work (sadly) and the LSV only use is from the transfer wand or use to combust with the heating element.
Thanks for the info, I have only been able to read a couple of reviews and watch a few videos on the cloud but it definitely seems like the new vape to be watching out for on the horizon. I just don't know, there are only a couple of short reveiws on here as well as a few videos.
From what I have seen
I also pulled the trigger on the LSV over the VHW because of the build quality, I haven't heard great things about the VHW's durability.
Also I am really skeptic about VXC producing "better" clouds than the LSV.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoJ0UlaNt8
LSV goes high enough to combust, I don't see why clouds would be significantly different, though I haven't used a VXH/Cloud yet, but from videos I think I have been able to produce similar looking clouds as videos.
Anyways, not hating, like I said I reserved mine, I'm just a little hesitant since this things super hyped up.
I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.
Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more evenly vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.
Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.
I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.
IAmKrazy2 said:stonemonkey55 said:pngwyn said:Thanks for the info, I have only been able to read a couple of reviews and watch a few videos on the cloud but it definitely seems like the new vape to be watching out for on the horizon. I just don't know, there are only a couple of short reveiws on here as well as a few videos.
From what I have seen
I also pulled the trigger on the LSV over the VHW because of the build quality, I haven't heard great things about the VHW's durability.
Also I am really skeptic about VXC producing "better" clouds than the LSV.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoJ0UlaNt8
LSV goes high enough to combust, I don't see why clouds would be significantly different, though I haven't used a VXH/Cloud yet, but from videos I think I have been able to produce similar looking clouds as videos.
Anyways, not hating, like I said I reserved mine, I'm just a little hesitant since this things super hyped up.
I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.
Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more evenly vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.
Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.
I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.
I didn't see this whole thing till now...... Just because a vape has high temp., doesn't mean the vapor will be as thick as another vape with the same temp. levels. It is all about how that temp is usedd, and how if effects the herb. Lighting and other factors can make videos deceptive, fuck videos i am TELLING you, the VXC works a shitload better, hands down. I am not here to deceive you, "Just the facts ma'm"
Here is the key point. Low temp vaporizing no longer has to be wispy. So, you don't have to crank temps to keep things nice and thick, you dont have to find the right way to hit this vape, experiment with draw speed, or adjust the temp on your herb a single time per session, stir the bowl countless times, deal with a middle hot spot (like the LSV has), ect. No learning curve or proper technique needed. Plug it in, take huge clouds. If you are looking for the vape that best compares in vapor thickness the LSV ain't even close. I'd still has the S is closest in vapor thickness; but is far bellow par on taste and ease of use. The VHW is also thicker then the LSV but as i mentioned earlier not as thick as the VXC or S. the vhw is a pain to use in comparison, less efficient, requires proper technique, bigger bowl pack needed, more stirring, and your dealing with a restricted vape path.
I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.
IAmKrazy2 said:stonemonkey55 said:pngwyn said:Thanks for the info, I have only been able to read a couple of reviews and watch a few videos on the cloud but it definitely seems like the new vape to be watching out for on the horizon. I just don't know, there are only a couple of short reveiws on here as well as a few videos.
From what I have seen
I also pulled the trigger on the LSV over the VHW because of the build quality, I haven't heard great things about the VHW's durability.
Also I am really skeptic about VXC producing "better" clouds than the LSV.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoJ0UlaNt8
LSV goes high enough to combust, I don't see why clouds would be significantly different, though I haven't used a VXH/Cloud yet, but from videos I think I have been able to produce similar looking clouds as videos.
Anyways, not hating, like I said I reserved mine, I'm just a little hesitant since this things super hyped up.
I'm trying to describe the differences without downplaying anything any of 7th Floor's products.
Just because a vaporizer can get hot enough to combust something, doesn't mean that it is efficient at extracting vapor. The way the air travels out of the Cloud and past your herb, there is more turbulence and it more evenly vapes the herb. Most vaporizers simply have the air go in and out in a straight path, many times causing hot spots that you can visibly detect. With the Cloud, the air criss crosses like a DNA double helix so when it goes past your herb, it vapes it layer by layer.
Also, the LSV doesn't retain heat very well so you have to draw upon it a certain way (very slowly) in order to get thick vapor. If you want to hit it harder and still get thicker vapor, you will have to turn up the temperature and you will notice that your ABV will be very dark. Due to the nature of our ELB and the way we utilize both convective and conductive extraction methods, it improves the extraction efficiency and we produce thicker vapor while leaving the ABV a lighter color. I know it sounds counter intuitive which is why you really have to just give it a try and see for yourself.
I purposely chose all my beta testers based on the amount of vaporizers they owned. Each of my beta testers owns multiple vapes, EQ, SSV, and definitely at least one wand style vaporizer. I specifically chose them so that when they gave feedback, it would help the forum members understand the pros/cons and differences of this vape.
I didn't see this whole thing till now...... Just because a vape has high temp., doesn't mean the vapor will be as thick as another vape with the same temp. levels. It is all about how that temp is usedd, and how if effects the herb. Lighting and other factors can make videos deceptive, fuck videos i am TELLING you, the VXC works a shitload better, hands down. I am not here to deceive you, "Just the facts ma'm"
Here is the key point. Low temp vaporizing no longer has to be wispy. So, you don't have to crank temps to keep things nice and thick, you dont have to find the right way to hit this vape, experiment with draw speed, or adjust the temp on your herb a single time per session, stir the bowl countless times, deal with a middle hot spot (like the LSV has), ect. No learning curve or proper technique needed. Plug it in, take huge clouds. If you are looking for the vape that best compares in vapor thickness the LSV ain't even close. I'd still has the S is closest in vapor thickness; but is far bellow par on taste and ease of use. The VHW is also thicker then the LSV but as i mentioned earlier not as thick as the VXC or S. the vhw is a pain to use in comparison, less efficient, requires proper technique, bigger bowl pack needed, more stirring, and your dealing with a restricted vape path.
I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.
I'm no spring hen when it comes to vaping.... take my word for it. the lsv is NOT producing the same or even similiar vapor. This is not just my opinion, it is the facts.
and
If you are on this forum, i'm going to guess your a semi-full time to full time vaporist. Yo will not be let down, this is the vape you have been waiting for.
Tstat said:Damn, I still can't decide which one to get! I just watched all the videos, too. I love the joint on the SWG, and it seems more sturdy. Vertigo has the great name, and also looks sick.
I have been logged in with credit card ready, but I can't decide!
Tstat said:Wow, that just made up my mind! I too have several tree-type bubs and tubes- but no showerhead!
Progress said:I agree with Iamkrazy2, although he did blur the line between opinion and fact IMO.
Troi said:Not to mention, I do not understand the science behind it, but there is a drastic taste/vapor-feel difference when using an all glass air path, and the air-path used in the LSV. The vapor on the LSV always just feels a little stale.
Tstat said:Well, I NEVER buy anything like this- I mean something unproven, first run, etc. I mean I LOVE Apple products, and have nearly everything they make- but I never buy the first incarnation of a particular product. Inevitably something needs tweaking or even fixing, and the product gets better with updates and revisions. I have faith in the product, I guess- because I am surprised I plunked down a good chunk of change for something I have not yet seen.
Then on what basis did you preorder? He's used pretty much all the vapes that are in the Cloud category. The rest of us beta testers share his opinions.pngwyn said:Agree, he states his opinions as fact so I really can't take his reviews seriously.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but when you have the heating element in the vapor path, as do all the 7th Floor vapes, it's not an all glass air path. Like the Vapolution, the Cloud's heater surrounds the glass heating chamber. The air is not exposed to the heater.(the LSV is an all glass air path in case you didn't catch that)
None of my Cloud ABV ever looked slightly charred. It IS a variable temp design, and you can certainly crank up the temp. If you're concerned about overcooking at a lower temp setting, I would say don't worry about it. The temp only varies when you change the dial setting.what looks slightly charred in just 1 rip?
The design differences have been explained. How do you propose that someone prove better performance to you in a video? All of the beta testers, all multiple vape owners, have raved about the Cloud. None of us can tell you that it's worth the money vs. the LSV or any other vape. That's subjective and up to each person to decide. Your search for facts, to provide the proof you're looking for, is fruitless. The facts of the design have all been stated, more than once, and apparently they're not sufficient for you. The only other way you're gonna know whether this vape is worth the $ for you is to try it. If you decide it's not worth it, and got the pre-order price, I'm sure you can recover your cost if you sell a very slightly used unit. If you're paying full price you'll lose some $ if you decide to sell. The only way out of that is to cancel your order.In this video I don't see it performing any better than the LSV.