Discontinued Utopia Desktop Herbal & Oil Vaporizer

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

We are looking into this but small issues need to be resolved first.

Once we are confident we have the basics down the glass can be made how we want it. That's the easy part

 

[syrupy]

No, its a long distance and I actually did mention that to @THC SCIENTIFIC during one of our discussions. It does serve a functional purpose, however I was one to agree with your assessment.

Thanks I guess it wasn't just my eyes then. If you think of it, at some point can you post a flexo vid without using a carb cap? I love me some carb cappin', but it kind of makes any device milky. It would be nice to see how dense the vapor can get on its own. Also I know you're an advocate of the low-temp dab, and it shows in the vid. But I'd also like to see how flexo does cranked up in power mode, for the more extreme applications. I think there's some perception that e-nails can't compete with a torch mano-a-mano for hi-temp vaping.

 

[theCerberus]

Thanks I guess it wasn't just my eyes then. If you think of it, at some point can you post a flexo vid without using a carb cap? I love me some carb cappin', but it kind of makes any device milky. It would be nice to see how dense the vapor can get on its own. Also I know you're an advocate of the low-temp dab, and it shows in the vid. But I'd also like to see how flexo does cranked up in power mode, for the more extreme applications. I think there's some perception that e-nails can't compete with a torch mano-a-mano for hi-temp vaping.

If carb capping makes any device milky, its because it ̶d̶o̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶t̶s̶ j̶o̶b̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶l̶o̶w̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶/̶e̶v̶e̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶e̶m̶p̶ (edit)allows you to use a lower temp initially keeping the concentrate vaping instead of instantly burning.

I dont really get "hi-temp vaping" at some temperature point, using a nail like this, the concentrate you are using burns/combusts.

This site is called fuck combustion for a reason. Hi-temp nail is really out of question for vaping, because we want to preserve flavour, and avoid the carcinogens, by not burning anything. Thats why carb cap is so important.

Using the smart dabb i dont turn it up past 10 o clock or else concentrates start to burn.

Not really sure where the demand is for high temp... but this site is not a logical place for it.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Carb capping actually works differently, just like the Herc with AAF, you reduce the oxygen content in the air path to increase the temperature which translates more vapor. The reason you see larger vapor being created in the Flexo is because once capped the heater gets hotter to vape off the oil faster.

 

[theCerberus]

Carb capping actually works differently, just like the Herc with AAF, you reduce the oxygen content in the air path to increase the temperature which translates more vapor. The reason you see larger vapor being created in the Flexo is because once capped the heater gets hotter to vape off the oil faster.

sorry, yes, i can see how what i said can be misinterpreted.

i wasnt referring to the cap, but the carb capping method, to say the cap itself is what lowers the temp is wrong, yes.

what i really i meant by it is, you can use a lower temperature initially. so that dab doesnt burn right away.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

sorry, yes, i can see how what i said can be misinterpreted.

i wasnt referring to the cap, but the carb capping method, to say the cap itself is what lowers the temp is wrong, yes.

what i really i meant by it is, you can use a lower temperature initially. so that dab doesnt burn right away.

True you can start with a lower temp, but once the top is capped the temperature rises and vaporizes faster, rather then start at higher temps and cap which translates to even higher temps and the result of burning of the impurities.

 

[syrupy]

I dont really get "hi-temp vaping" at some temperature point, using a nail like this, the concentrate you are using burns/combusts.

This site is called fuck combustion for a reason. Hi-temp nail is really out of question for vaping, because we want to preserve flavour, and avoid the carcinogens, by not burning anything. Thats why carb cap is so important.

Using the smart dabb i dont turn it up past 10 o clock or else concentrates start to burn.

Not really sure where the demand is for high temp... but this site is not a logical place for it.

I think it's a dicey ground. With flowers, we know the vaporization temperature is quite low (under 300f). I suspect all dabs exceed the vaporization temperature, and I doubt anyone has the fine control to keep temps below 250 consistently. If you can show me a digital e-nail video (or make one of your own) with temps that low, I'll agree with your statement. Smartdabb at 10 doesn't give any objective temperature. How can you be sure at the 10 setting what the temp is. If you don't know, how can you ensure you're not combusting? If you can't, how does your argument work?

 

[theCerberus]

I think it's a dicey ground. With flowers, we know the vaporization temperature is quite low (under 300f). I suspect all dabs exceed the vaporization temperature, and I doubt anyone has the fine control to keep temps below 250 consistently. If you can show me a digital e-nail video (or make one of your own) with temps that low, I'll agree with your statement. Smartdabb at 10 doesn't give any objective temperature. How can you be sure at the 10 setting what the temp is. If you don't know, how can you ensure you're not combusting? If you can't, how does your argument work?

Also, it's not really your place to define what is on-topic for a forum. If it bugs you that much, I suggest you should report topics and posts you feel are against the rules, without openly trying to disparage a post.

i think your temps are a bit off. anything under 450f shouldnt burn flowers (should vape). the temp range of the smart dabb is something like 700f to 1000f. what i do is subjective, but its all taste, if i taste even the slightest hint of burning i lower the temp dial. also visually the nail is not glowing red in the slightest.

it starts at 6 and goes up to 5, so its about 11 hours of settings, in a 300 degree range. if its a linear dial then 10, is +4 hours, about 27 degrees an hour. 4*27=108 or about 808f.

even if its not linear, the point is, i know its somewhere in the range of 700f+ and a lot less than 1000f.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

To each person taste is subjective. Thats why we have well done, medium well, medium, medium rare, rare, and just simply still alive.

In other words having a unit that is capable of bringing out the full flavor as per the creators standards is what makes devices different.


In other other words we will see how it goes once we finalize the last piece which is the inline switch.

 

[Caligula]

Thanks I guess it wasn't just my eyes then. If you think of it, at some point can you post a flexo vid without using a carb cap? I love me some carb cappin', but it kind of makes any device milky. It would be nice to see how dense the vapor can get on its own. Also I know you're an advocate of the low-temp dab, and it shows in the vid. But I'd also like to see how flexo does cranked up in power mode, for the more extreme applications. I think there's some perception that e-nails can't compete with a torch mano-a-mano for hi-temp vaping.

High temp dabbing is something I avoid like combusting flowers. Once you experience and switch to low temp dabs, going back is just gross.

Furthermore, I sadly sent Mr. Flexo back to G a few days ago (@THC SCIENTIFIC you get it yet?) so that makes any further videos impossible. In any regard, of course youll get thick clouds at high temps... but its for the same reason why you can get big clouds from burning a bowl. Youre actually burning the material, which is letting out a MUCH larger volume of material (aka "smoke"). Unfortunately, I dont want a lot of that extra material going into my body. Plus its harsh and tastes like poop.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that large vapor (note I used the term vapor here and not smoke) production from a low temp dab is whats impressive here. Not the other way around.

 

[syrupy]

High temp dabbing is something I avoid like combusting flowers. Once you experience and switch to low temp dabs, going back is just gross.

Furthermore, I sadly sent Mr. Flexo back to G a few days ago (@THC SCIENTIFIC you get it yet?) so that makes any further videos impossible. In any regard, of course youll get thick clouds at high temps... but its for the same reason why you can get big clouds from burning a bowl. Youre actually burning the material, which is letting out a MUCH larger volume of material (aka "smoke"). Unfortunately, I dont want a lot of that extra material going into my body. Plus its harsh and tastes like poop.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that large vapor (note I used the term vapor here and not smoke) production from a low temp dab is whats impressive here. Not the other way around.

I get yours points but they are all relative. Show me someone dabbing at 200 degrees then I'll call that a lo-temp dab. When we look for e-nail setups, why do we want to make sure they're hitting 500 or 600 degrees when the vaporization of THC is so much lower? How is that NOT combustion?

@THC SCIENTIFIC I saw on an earlier video you were using a heat sensor to establish the nail temps. Do you think that using the Flexo at 200 degrees will work? And if so, would you make a video of it so we can see what that vapor looks like? I'd love to put this pet peeve to bed.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Thanks @Caligula low temps for vaping is best, vapor settles and smoke rises having the best quality is what makes the final difference. Even in your video you saw some vapor rising, this could be smoke not sure but like i said 100% thc should vape around 400 max and the rest of the CBD's around 480F.



@syrupy it will not work, we have already tried it.

 

[Caligula]

I get yours points but they are all relative. Show me someone dabbing at 200 degrees then I'll call that a lo-temp dab. When we look for e-nail setups, why do we want to make sure they're hitting 500 or 600 degrees when the vaporization of THC is so much lower? How is that NOT combustion?

@THC SCIENTIFIC I saw on an earlier video you were using a heat sensor to establish the nail temps. Do you think that using the Flex at 200 degrees will work? And if so, would you make a video of it so we can see what that vapor looks like? I'd love to put this pet peeve to bed.

Because proper low temp dabbing relies on the Leidenfrost Effect

Too low of a temp will actually burn the oil since it lends to suboptimal conditions regarding creating the LE. Basically it's hot enough to burn the oil but not hot enough to create that insular barrier of vapor.

Of course if you go low enough you won't burn the oil, but at the same time you won't produce any significant quantity of vapor in any reasonable amount of time.

Case in point, on my first test run for that video I had the voltage at 7.4v which was too low. My dab sat in that glass bowl for literally two minutes, as it slowly boiled off, releasing very unsatisfying amounts of vapor. *It was basically a huge waste of time and oil.

*edit: this actually may be beneficial regarding seasoning the quartz when it's new.

@THC SCIENTIFIC if you notice that vapor/smoke you are talking about is at the end of the dab, after a majority of the mass has vaped off and I was no longer inhaling, thus drawing cool air over the nail. I had burnt residue in the bowl after that dab, but only because there was a small amount of oil left over which sat on the nail and cooked to death after my initial hit.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Because proper low temp dabbing relies on the Leidenfrost Effect

Too low of a temp will actually burn the oil since it lends to suboptimal conditions regarding creating the LE. Basically it's hot enough to burn the oil but not hot enough to create that insular barrier of vapor.

Of course if you go low enough you won't burn the oil, but at the same time you won't produce any significant quantity of vapor in any reasonable amount of time.

Case in point, on my first test run for that video I had the voltage at 7.4v which was too low. My dab sat in that glass bowl for literally two minutes, as it slowly boiled off, releasing very unsatisfying amounts of vapor. It was basically a huge waste of time and oil.

edit: this actually may be beneficial regarding seasoning the quartz when it's new.

@THC SCIENTIFIC if you notice that vapor/smoke you are talking about is at the end of the dab, after a majority of the mass has vaped off and I was no longer inhaling, thus drawing cool air over the nail. I had burnt residue in the bowl after that dab but only because there was a small amount left over which sat on the nail and cooked to death after my initial hit.

Oh i know, that is why when inhaling the temps drops to the point of being almost perfect. Once you stop inhaling it will rise and burn the impurities in the oil.

I have yet to find 100% pure oil as all current oils have impurities.

 

[mutten840]

Because proper low temp dabbing relies on the Leidenfrost Effect

Too low of a temp will actually burn the oil since it lends to suboptimal conditions regarding creating the LE. Basically it's hot enough to burn the oil but not hot enough to create that insular barrier of vapor.

Of course if you go low enough you won't burn the oil, but at the same time you won't produce any significant quantity of vapor in any reasonable amount of time.

Case in point, on my first test run for that video I had the voltage at 7.4v which was too low. My dab sat in that glass bowl for literally two minutes, as it slowly boiled off, releasing very unsatisfying amounts of vapor. *It was basically a huge waste of time and oil.

*edit: this actually may be beneficial regarding seasoning the quartz when it's new.

@THC SCIENTIFIC if you notice that vapor/smoke you are talking about is at the end of the dab, after a majority of the mass has vaped off and I was no longer inhaling, thus drawing cool air over the nail. I had burnt residue in the bowl after that dab, but only because there was a small amount of oil left over which sat on the nail and cooked to death after my initial hit.

So scientific and cleanly stated

 

[Chill Dude]

Because proper low temp dabbing relies on the Leidenfrost Effect

Too low of a temp will actually burn the oil since it lends to suboptimal conditions regarding creating the LE. Basically it's hot enough to burn the oil but not hot enough to create that insular barrier of vapor.

Of course if you go low enough you won't burn the oil, but at the same time you won't produce any significant quantity of vapor in any reasonable amount of time

That Leidenfrost effect is pretty interesting, I believe it was also discussed on the VB2 thread awhile back. So, if I understand this correctly, even though e nails generally heat to between 650f and 900f, the concentrate won't burn for the following reasons:

1) The high heat causes the oil to evaporate off the nail creating a insulating vapor barrier rather than combustion.

2) Faster is better. You want to start inhaling right when the dab hits the nail because if you let it sit at high temperatures too long the vapor barrier is lost and you risk combustion.

3) Inhaling lowers the temperature so the vapor won't burn toward the end of the dab.

4) When the dab is done STOP or you'll get that nasty smoke/bunt taste.

This shit defiantly is not a perfect science. With most of these devices it seems like a guessing game and eventually you won't burn your oil too often, but I'm sure you will still produce smoke some of the time. Then one must ask just how healthy are these devises when there's such a fine line between vaporising and smoking? Much more complicated on the temperature front compared to flower Vapes. Hopefully, E Nail technology will get to a point where the user can be reassured that they are vaporising and not smoking 100% of the time. I don't think the device makers are there yet. Fuck Combustion !!!!

 

[DieHard]

I don't think the device makers are there yet. Fuck Combustion !!!!

Well you are in the right place...stay tuned to this thread!!

 

[MaxVapor]

@Caligula and @Chill Dude - thanks for those great explanations. I have never dabbed so I am really looking forward to the e-nail that I didn't know I needed until Gary invented it. In the time of waiting I am trying to read up on the whole dabbing thing and learn what I can so I am mentally prepared!

The Leidenfrost effect is also what causes oil to "run away" from a hot dabber (or anything).

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Well you are in the right place...stay tuned to this thread!!

Thank you for the vote of confidence, but to get to the ultimate desk top oil vape i have to raise a lot of money.

This will take time.

 

[Caligula]

The Leidenfrost effect is also what causes oil to "run away" from a hot dabber (or anything).

This is true, and this is also partly why a carb-cap works so well. If you use a quartz nail like I do, you can actually see what happens to the oil once the cap is in place. Due to the LE, the oil will spread out over a much larger surface area (versus sitting in a puddle) and will thus vape more quickly and efficiently. Of course I believe our own @Deadshort480 was the one to point that out to me when I first started dabbing. Credit where credit is due.

 

[Vape Dr.]

I am so ready for the E-nail! Bring it on!

Top left container is my easy way of loading the Hercules and K.I.S.S. carts. Roll the wax into little balls and drop them in at will! Got me a little bit of everything to run through the E-nail!

 

[Caligula]

I am so ready for the E-nail! Bring it on!

Top left container is my easy way of loading the Hercules and K.I.S.S. carts. Roll the wax into little balls and drop them in at will! Got me a little bit of everything to run through the E-nail!

Wheres my invite bro?

 

[Vape Dr.]

Wheres my invite bro?

You didn't get it yet! I'm definitely going to have to fire my secretary!!!

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

i see @ataxian has competition.

 

[kindbeats]

Any update on when you think the beta units will be rolling out? I find myself checking this thread every day with a mouth full of saliva.