Tornado by Vestratto

[Bakin4Life]

- I live in Canada and have to pay only in USD which clips me another 2% for conversion.

There should be some sort of law against in-country companies forcing their own nation's customers to pay in a non-native currency, I would think?
IANAL, though (or a barrister).

Of all the VG's (Vestratto Grievances) I've heard / read about, this one has to be the most egregious, IMO.

What reason does Vestratto possibly use to justify charging their home country's customers more? Their distribution model could easily *deduct* 2% for customers in Canadian postal codes having to exchange CAD > USD.

 

[Pachena]

There should be some sort of law against in-country companies forcing their own nation's customers to pay in a non-native currency, I would think?
IANAL, though (or a barrister).

Of all the VG's (Vestratto Grievances) I've heard / read about, this one has to be the most egregious, IMO.

What reason does Vestratto possibly use to justify charging their home country's customers more? Their distribution model could easily *deduct* 2% for customers in Canadian postal codes having to exchange CAD > USD.

Not trying to be a Vestratto apologist, but to be fair, Vestratto isn’t the only Canadian company doing this — Tafee is another.

 

[LAWTHEONE]

Is the tornado significantly better than the anvil TC? Thanks I appreciate everyone’s input.

 

[Petetbay]

Is the tornado significantly better than the anvil TC?

Yes, I have 2 Anvils with 2 different cores and could never get any flavor with herb too harsh. Tornado was a big difference in flavor as I can now taste the herb not sure why, the bigger bowl probably helps. I use the Anvils only for hash now.

 

[Roffa]

Is the tornado significantly better than the anvil TC? Thanks I appreciate everyone’s input.

Yes

 

[coolbreeze]

Is the tornado significantly better than the anvil TC? Thanks I appreciate everyone’s input.

The effects seem stronger, even taking the amount into consideration. Not to diminish the Thermocore which is awesome still, I'd say at least noticeably better.

 

[Psyentist]

Is the tornado significantly better than the anvil TC? Thanks I appreciate everyone’s input.

I’ve had my tornado a couple of weeks now and I think I prefer my anvil (thermocore). This is with torch use, quad flame.

I find the anvil has better flavour and little to no technique involved. From the very first sesh with the anvil it was just aim the torch at the fat part of the oven and stop at the first click. The cool down click comes sooner for the second heat up too, a second or two on a magnet for the anvil vs around ten for the tornado.

With the tornado I’ve found it makes a big difference where you aim the torch. My first sesh I did what I did with my anvil, heat the middle of the oven until the click, and really charred the load. I’ve also found on the second heat cycle you really need to aim the torch right on the end of the bowl to prevent charring.

The things the tornado has going for it are the big bowl and it’s smoother. The things the anvil has going for it are the flavour and user friendliness.

This is all personal opinion from my style of usage, more testing required me thinks.

Edit: I should also add, this is with both on the Vestratto stems, the anvil with the xl mouthpiece, so both basically exactly the same.

 

[Stonedbadger]

Just wondering if anyone knows when the Tornado will be available again??

Cheers

 

[Bakin4Life]

I see people are asking about July delivery orders. I'm one of them.

I expected 3rd week of June, based off prior month's delivery, but no e-mail notification on shipping my July order, yet.

When I see the notification e-mail, I'll repost.

PS: Entexchange has a couple on offer as I write this, if you don't want to check Vestratto's site for next pre-order (e.g.; August -?)
But don't expect much of a discount, if any, from new.

 

[Proletarius]

For the peophe actually having both Anvil & Tornado, what is for you the best device for native vape ? The tornado full rig or the anvil with XL bowl and XL mouthpiece ?
I think flavor is best with Anvil and hit is harder on the tornado but what about the other aspects ? User friendly, smoothness. Don't the tornado heat too much for native usage ?

 

[coolbreeze]

For the peophe actually having both Anvil & Tornado, what is for you the best device for native vape ? The tornado full rig or the anvil with XL bowl and XL mouthpiece ?
I think flavor is best with Anvil and hit is harder on the tornado but what about the other aspects ? User friendly, smoothness. Don't the tornado heat too much for native usage ?

I think there's some trade-off. The Anvil may not seem quite as hot (I usually use it through water) because you're injesting less, whereas the Tornado is noticeably smoother, but there's more of it to withstand. I really only use the Tornado native or on the WPA through a j-hook to take advantage of that smoothness and power.

 

[Proletarius]

I think there's some trade-off. The Anvil may not seem quite as hot (I usually use it through water) because you're injesting less, whereas the Tornado is noticeably smoother, but there's more of it to withstand. I really only use the Tornado native or on the WPA through a j-hook to take advantage of that smoothness and power.

Thank's for your clarification.
To use it dry, the Tornado isn't more unconvenient ? I heard there are risk of thermalock when used with cold start, which is the more convenient way to vape when using natively, is this an issue ?
Also, isn't the Anvil likely more suited for multiple session with same bowl, the Tornado is only effective for 1 hit when used with a stem ?

 

[coolbreeze]

Thank's for your clarification.
To use it dry, the Tornado isn't more unconvenient ? I heard there are risk of thermalock when used with cold start, which is the more convenient way to vape when using natively, is this an issue ?

There's always a risk of locking, I think. It just becomes habitual to loosen it. I've only had it lock once because I forgot to back it off.

Also, isn't the Anvil likely more suited for multiple session with same bowl, the Tornado is only effective for 1 hit when used with a stem ?

I think that's fair. I've really only used either with the intention of one heating per bowl but it's more certain with the Tornado.

 

[seki]

I heard there are risk of thermalock when used with cold start, which is the more convenient way to vape when using natively, is this an issue ?

I used an Anvil for several years as my daily driver before the Tornado was released and never had any issues with thermal locking. With the Tornado, I've experienced what I'd categorize as 3 different types of thermal locks:

The first type is a minor lock. This usually resolves itself once the oven cools down sufficiently. At this point even a weak magnet will be able to unscrew the bowl from the oven.

The second type is a little more of an issue in that even once it cools, it still takes a firm finger grip or even an allen key to properly loosen the bowl. Even a strong magnet won't help in this instance.

Both of the above are manageable but I still find them to be a nuisance to deal with, particularly after the hassle free usage experience with the Anvil.

The third type of lock is the problematic one. This is the hard lock where the oven doesn't come loose after cooling and even using an allen key is not effective.

I've read a lot of different suggestions here ranging from sticking it in the freezer, to not screwing the oven on too tightly and I think I even read an instance of someone having to send theirs back to Vestratto after unsuccessfully attempting to remove the bowl over the course of several days.

I've had this third type of "hard lock" on several occasions now and I've found that I've been able to remove the bowl with a quick 5 second heat up in the Forge 100% of the time. My theory is that by heating for only a few seconds, the oven expands quickly, but the bowl inside doesn't have enough time to heat up at the same rate. I've tested this and even at just 10 seconds, the bowl inside heats up fast enough for it to remain locked.

I believe this can be repeated with other heaters and even a torch, but the timing may be different depending on the device. Results may even differ with other Forge users depending on where your wagon wheel is set. Since discovering this I don't worry about how tightly the bowl is screwed in to the oven. It's still annoying to deal with it when it does lock, but it's a quick fix so I generally don't think about it anymore.

 

[hotmeals]

For the peophe actually having both Anvil & Tornado, what is for you the best device for native vape ? The tornado full rig or the anvil with XL bowl and XL mouthpiece ?
I think flavor is best with Anvil and hit is harder on the tornado but what about the other aspects ? User friendly, smoothness. Don't the tornado heat too much for native usage ?

I think they're both really good native. I like the Tornado's flavor more. If loaded with the same amount of herb as an Anvil and equivalently heated, the Tornado is smoother IMO.

Thank's for your clarification.
To use it dry, the Tornado isn't more unconvenient ? I heard there are risk of thermalock when used with cold start, which is the more convenient way to vape when using natively, is this an issue ?
Also, isn't the Anvil likely more suited for multiple session with same bowl, the Tornado is only effective for 1 hit when used with a stem ?

"Cold start" in this context is referring to heating the oven without the bowl installed, and then screwing the totally cold bowl into the hot oven before taking your draw. As long as you heat the vape with the bowl installed and slightly backed off there shouldn't be an issue with thermal lock. I've done plenty of back to back multi bowl sessions with both. For me neither one is better suited for it, they both work fine.

edit:
Realized I may have read this wrong:

Also, isn't the Anvil likely more suited for multiple session with same bowl, the Tornado is only effective for 1 hit when used with a stem ?

If you mean intermittently taking hits from the same load and letting it cool in between, I don't think either is well suited for that, but either is fine with reheats on the same load while it's still hot.