Discontinued ThermoVape

[druminfected]

It's not all that stiff, but it's a bit awkward (you need to pinch it sort of to get traction) and you have to hold firm contact for 20 or more seconds. Sometimes I have to switch hands. There have been a few times when I've passed on the TV and used another vape.....

OF

Ok thanks, that's what I was worried about. I've bought pellet guns and bb guns and those are hard to press the trigger for me so this sound like it would be to difficult. too bad looks awesome.

 

[OF]

Sorry if this was discussed before, but does this work with the T1, and if so, is it OK to use an outlet based USB charger with it?

Thanks!

http://www.madvapes.com/Smok-Tech-5-Volt-510-Manual-USB-Passthrough_p_3059.html

As others have said, you're trying to cover a 30 Watt load with a 5 Watt source, 2.5 Watts from some computers. Did you notice the note in the description:

"Low Resistance(less than 2.5 ohms) atomizers and cartomizers should not be used with 5 volt devices"?

Well the T1 unit is less than half that value. Not to mention it might not do all that well on 5 Volts (being a six Volt device and all) which would drop the power by about 30%, if the passthrough doesn't collapse....which of course it will.......

I can assure you this option was investigated by TV.....I know 'cuz we talked about it..... They've got some magic trick of some sort (they claim) that will get a whole bunch of dead white Physics types to sit up in the their graves if not just start rolling over and over and over. Nobody else has pulled that 30 pound rabbit out of the 5 pound hat, but in view of what they've done so far I'm gonna wait and see. For some insight, I quipped 'if you can do that, forget vapes let's go into perpetual power machines....we can all get rich!'. The insightful answer from them was 'if we just wanted to get rich, we'd be making this stuff in China, wouldn't we?'. I think they've got their collective heads screwed on pretty darn straight.....still not sure about that 'five in 30 out' idea.

OF

 

[GReYAReA]

TBH I hadn't looked at it closely. Some guys on another forum were linking others to this, recommending it for both the T1 and Rev. It didn't seem like it would be that easy, so I wanted an educated opinion. I hadn't even read closely enough to find out the exact draw of the TV.. Just saw a battery solution that would have worked out well.. My use is more indoors than out.

 

[Pipes]

TBH I hadn't looked at it closely. Some guys on another forum were linking others to this, recommending it for both the T1 and Rev. It didn't seem like it would be that easy, so I wanted an educated opinion. I hadn't even read closely enough to find out the exact draw of the TV.. Just saw a battery solution that would have worked out well.. My use is more indoors than out.

Have not received my TV yet but already thinking about external power. As stated it needs to have good regulated amps. With the numbers stated here it is not hard to figure out what supply is needed. Using the basic equations:
|power (watts) = voltage (volts) X current (amps)| &
|voltage (volts) = current (amps) X resistance (ohms)|
The question comes up though that since this would theoretically be regulated without the drop from heavy load. Therefore, a steady 5 Volts SHOULD work. ???? Need to try.
The reason this is important is 5 volts supply are not too hard to find. A 5 amp or 25 watt seems the meet the criteria. Also, for the car a 5 volt regulator such as a 7805 basic regulator should work. Or a 7806 if 6 Volt needed. Once the voltage and current needs are defined, I can see getting myself an extra battery handle to modify.
Note: I would not even consider using this mod for charging the batteries because of the current variations while using. It would be for a battery free operation.
Just thinking out loud a bit. Can't wait to get my TV. Man, haven't even got it yet and have it ripped apart in my head. LOL

 

[Peloton]

I have been in contact with Jenn at ThermpVape and requested if this "black delrin T1 heater sleeve" is available separately. Hopefully they can do something as I just placed a pretty hefty order with them.
If they offered the same RES with delrin option I would place order right away. (Pending pricing of course.)
Will let you know how it pans out.

Hey Pipes, hear anything back on this yet?

 

[Pipes]

Hey Pipes, hear anything back on this yet?

Yes, I put on back burner for now.
They will sell delrin battery sleeve for $15 or chamber sleeve for $10 or both for $20.
Now this was her reply to me as I had just placed an order but didn't sound like I was getting any discount.

 

[Pipes]

As others have said, you're trying to cover a 30 Watt load with a 5 Watt source, 2.5 Watts from some computers.
OF

Hey OF, is this 30 watts accurate?
Been sourcing out possible power supplies and closest I can come to stay within a reasonable size and price is a 5 Volt 4 Amp. This would push out 20 watts. I found this one here: http://www.bpesolutions.com/elecproduct.html#anchor631798
They have a 6 volt but only 3 amp. (18 watts)
Also, I would suspect the current would drop some as the element heats up?
I imagine there is a 6 v 5 A some where. Can see it been about the size of a computer power cube. The good thing about these type power supplies is that they normally are current protected so you can't really blow them up. They will shut out until they cool then turn back on when reset.

 

[OF]

Hey OF, is this 30 watts accurate?
Been sourcing out possible power supplies and closest I can come to stay within a reasonable size and price is a 5 Volt 4 Amp. This would push out 20 watts. I found this one here: http://www.bpesolutions.com/elecproduct.html#anchor631798
They have a 6 volt but only 3 amp. (18 watts)
Also, I would suspect the current would drop some as the element heats up?
I imagine there is a 6 v 5 A some where. Can see it been about the size of a computer power cube. The good thing about these type power supplies is that they normally are current protected so you can't really blow them up. They will shut out until they cool then turn back on when reset.

Yes, the 30 Watt number is solid, came straight from "TV" his own self. Six Volts at five Amps nominally, expect say 15% on that? Maybe even a bit more for a worst case, they are hand made after all. The alloy used for the heaters (I ain't talkin'.....) is stable enough with temperature, I wouldn't sweat that. I would, however, be careful of current limits on fancy supplies like you're looking at. This sometimes involves 'foldback' on overloads so it could see a bit more than 5 Amps (even for an instant) and cut back to under an Amp (say) until you kill the power to it.

In the end, however, I think you're working too hard. Why aren't you just feeding 6.3 VAC from a source over five Amps like any of a huge number of stepdown transformers? You might even set it up for a fine tune on the output to control power....a stepped primary should do that just ducky. Sorry to sneak a technical term like 'ducky' in, but I think you get the idea?

OF

 

[Pipes]

Yes, the 30 Watt number is solid, came straight from "TV" his own self. Six Volts at five Amps nominally, expect say 15% on that? Maybe even a bit more for a worst case, they are hand made after all. The alloy used for the heaters (I ain't talkin'.....) is stable enough with temperature, I wouldn't sweat that. I would, however, be careful of current limits on fancy supplies like you're looking at. This sometimes involves 'foldback' on overloads so it could see a bit more than 5 Amps (even for an instant) and cut back to under an Amp (say) until you kill the power to it.

In the end, however, I think you're working too hard. Why aren't you just feeding 6.3 VAC from a source over five Amps like any of a huge number of stepdown transformers? You might even set it up for a fine tune on the output to control power....a stepped primary should do that just ducky. Sorry to sneak a technical term like 'ducky' in, but I think you get the idea?

OF

Thanks for the confirmation.
Thought about the transformer but the physical size for 6 amps out would be huge (and not sexy). The most efficient and smallest would be a converter type supply. Yes, some do go into shut down mode until reset if too much current is sensed. This is a good thing. Just have to find one which can handle it.
30 watts means the resistance if the heater is 1.16 ohm and running 5 amps. Wow.....
And the competition is talking about a variable voltage mod...??? That's going to be interesting.
Specially, since they have not yet released their herb chamber. Might back fire on them.

 

[OF]

Thanks for the confirmation.
Thought about the transformer but the physical size for 6 amps out would be huge (and not sexy). The most efficient and smallest would be a converter type supply. Yes, some do go into shut down mode until reset if too much current is sensed. This is a good thing. Just have to find one which can handle it.
30 watts means the resistance if the heater is 1.16 ohm and running 5 amps. Wow.....
And the competition is talking about a variable voltage mod...??? That's going to be interesting.
Specially, since they have not yet released their herb chamber. Might back fire on them.

I don't know about where you are, but here 50 VA transformers are under a cube 3 inches on a side and about two and a half pounds. Maybe ten bucks? Pretty hard to beat for size, price or being 'rock simple'. As to being sexy.....you might have a point.

Lots of ways to skin that cat.

OF

 

[Pipes]

I don't know about where you are, but here 50 VA transformers are under a cube 3 inches on a side and about two and a half pounds. Maybe ten bucks? Pretty hard to beat for size, price or being 'rock simple'. As to being sexy.....you might have a point.

Lots of ways to skin that cat.

OF

Yep, getting ready to skin away.
Kind of thinking first thing to make would be a regulated power handle with a secure DC type plug on it. Inside the handle I envision a simple high current 6 V set regulator (7806) with a rectifier bridge in front of it and this handle could take 7 - ?? Volts AC/DC. Designed in a way that the trigger is not in the current path but just turns on the regulator. This would maintain a constant voltage regardless of supply used or trigger pressure. Always have to keep that car in mind (12 V DC ample current).
Say, OF, maybe you could talk to Mr. TV and have him ship me a handle to modify?...jk But I would be nice and share my experiment.

 

[OF]

Yep, getting ready to skin away.
Kind of thinking first thing to make would be a regulated power handle with a secure DC type plug on it. Inside the handle I envision a simple high current 6 V set regulator (7806) with a rectifier bridge in front of it and this handle could take 7 - ?? Volts AC/DC. Designed in a way that the trigger is not in the current path but just turns on the regulator. This would maintain a constant voltage regardless of supply used or trigger pressure. Always have to keep that car in mind (12 V DC ample current).
Say, OF, maybe you could talk to Mr. TV and have him ship me a handle to modify?...jk But I would be nice and share my experiment.

Sounds like you're off at any rate. All roads lead somewhere, if not actually to Rome. But you might want to rethink 7806, a nice part and all, but it's a one Amp unit. Even the high current version (number escapes me ATM) is not 5 Amps. And you're going to need way more than 1 Volt of headroom, best plan on a raw supply 3 or more Volts higher if you want to avoid some of the common issues. Besides which, in the end you probably want to be current limited anyway.....it's the traditional route in such applications at least in closed loop service.

OK, if you don't like my simple minded route, I'd next suggest you look for a 5 Volt supply with enough current and remote sensing. Remote sensing being the key point. Most will drive six Volts or more to take care of wiring drops, sometimes it takes a bit of coaxing (or lying about the feedback....). Then run six wires up to the head, a pair of 18 or 20 gauge for the heater, smaller for the remote sense lines and control switch. Then just dial it up to six Volts at the head. Open frame linear supplies are cheap in this range, you can even get some neat little switchers if that's you passion. Doing it this way lets you use smaller more flexible cable (you can even use multi conductor 22 and double up for the high current lines....) and removes a LOT of heat from the handle of the TV.

OF

 

[Pipes]

Looky what I found kicking around in the basement. Actually found 3 of them.

You make a good point about the 7806 rated at 1 Amp. I'm not sure but kind of hoped that been attached to handle for heat sink and the fact that it would really only be on for 30 seconds at most continuous. You would know quick enough as the handle would get quite warm. But there must be a regulator or transistor which would meet the real estate needs somewhere. Never really looked into it that far. Just stated the 78 series as it's well known and easy to get. Anyway OF, have to stop thinking about this for now as I'm jumping ahead of myself. (as usual) Have to first get the sucker and have it train me in the use of it..LOL....Oh ya, the wire gauge....never mind, later,

 

[OF]

Looky what I found kicking around in the basement. Actually found 3 of them.
You make a good point about the 7806 rated at 1 Amp. I'm not sure but kind of hoped that been attached to handle for heat sink and the fact that it would really only be on for 30 seconds at most continuous. You would know quick enough as the handle would get quite warm. But there must be a regulator or transistor which would meet the real estate needs somewhere. Never really looked into it that far. Just stated the 78 series as it's well known and easy to get. Anyway OF, have to stop thinking about this for now as I'm jumping ahead of myself. (as usual) Have to first get the sucker and have it train me in the use of it..LOL....Oh ya, the wire gauge....never mind, later,

Cool. That can be forced to do our bidding....with some effort. The Over I shutdown on 78 (and the other 3 terminal regulators for that matter) is fast, thermal shutdown is a whole different thing and can trip at any levels if the heat is too high (even if externally heated in fact). For sure there's a lot of external pass element designs out there, LM723 (I think?) is a common driver for them in such cases, often the heart of open frame linear supplies.

I still think you're 'money ahead' if you keep the heat out of the handle.......

Enjoy your unit when it gets there, I'm looking forward to hearing about your efforts.

Thanks.

OF

 

[sessnet]

I love my TV. I use it everyday now. My MFLB has finally been put away for good.

Here's some ThermoVape porn.

Dirty as hell, used well, but loved well. This is what it looks like after about 15-20 uses. It's up for a boil (or at least a cleaning) soon...

Still tastes awesome. It's almost like that old worn down pair of jeans...that feels comfortable as hell, but with dirt all over them.

 

[BudBuddy]

That is a well loved machine Sess. Wish I could see my screen lol, really gotta clean it but it still draws great.

 

[mestizo]

Hi,
This goes out to those who own the TV1 and the Revolutio.
I own the Revolution and I'm thinking of getting the TV1, I'm also in the small group of people who have experienced a bad taste at the beginning.
Does anybody experience the initial bad taste on the Revolution but not on the TV1 or both, or maybe none, this is the only thing holding me back, I just don't feel like going thru it again, any input will be greatly appreciated.
Sorry if the sentences are off, I'm typing from my cell.
Thanks

 

[Stu]

I have both, and have not had any taste issues with the T1 at all. I thought the taste quality was one of it's strengths tbh.

 

[Peloton]

have not had any taste issues with the T1 at all. I thought the taste quality was one of it's strengths tbh.

This ^. I remember my VERY first hit, actually. It was so pure and unaltered tasting, not even slightly "metally" like I feared.

 

[weedemon]

yep the TV1 is a very tasty unit! I use it more than my rev actually. (I also have more buds than oils too though.)

At Sessnet, you put that screen in there right? mine is not like that. I just let a herb layer build up over the holes, and they are all the screen i need! it`s a weed polka dot on my cap and then i just wipe it clean when it`s still warm. and good to go again!

your screen looks elegant compared to mine though.

 

[sessnet]

Thanks! It's just a regular screen, but gets more gunked up, the more gunky the stuff is...

Easy to clean - or replace them, if you buy a bunch.

They seem to be like .75 of an inch.I didn't have to trim it or anything, just push it into place a little

 

[mestizo]

Thanks to all of you who reply to my post, it looks like i won't be dissapointed if I order a TV1 which I'm about to do in a few minutes.

 

[GReYAReA]

No, you won't. It is a great unit for pocket carry. Easy to clean (you can boil the parts!), easy to use, and its rock solid. If the heater wears, you screw in a new one. I don't see why it shouldn't be working 20 years from now. The best designs are simple and elegant. That's the TV1. When you get it you'll see what I mean.

 

[sessnet]

I scraped some gunk off of my mouthpeice this morning...super gunky stuff. I rolled four or five tiny bits into a tiny ball, and now have a small booger of ThermoVape hash!

I will keep on building it up - then hopefully just pop it into the Revolution!

ThermoVape boogers for the win!

 

[darkrom]

FWIW I've been called a shill for complaining about bad tastes from another portable...if anyone would find a horrid taste it would be me IMO, and the TV is easily one of the tastiest vapes I've used, which was a very pleasant surprise. The only time I get a bad taste is if I grind the bud too small and let some fall into the heater core. Then yes, charring bud will taste like charring bud but you can just run a "dry cycle" to burn that all out. That really doesn't happen now that I just use larger nugs in it.

The taste of the herb is so pure with the TV, that once in a while I will use it at home just to get that flavor instead of one of my harder hitting vapes.

The TV filled my portable needs quite well and I am very glad to have it. I took a chance knowing that I am apparently picky, but I am fully satisfied and feel like I got my portable needs covered nicely.