Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates

[odbsmydog]

Thanks for all the answers, OF! but now I have another quesion....

Earlier you told me:

Yes, the $8 DART top will allow you to load with the tip like on DART. It's not a full upgrade (the closed door on Revolution is still there and the tip doesn't reach all the way down to the plate), but it functions fine.



OF

and ogcook told me:

Wouldn't work, the original has a 'window' in the side of the unit that closes.

. .Well I just got an email back from the people at ThermoVape and they completley disagree with you, so now I'm really confused....

Hi there.
The DART top loader does not work with the window because the top piece of the window atomizer seals the bottom atomizer window when drawing from the device. The DART Loader will not be able to seal it and you will not be able to draw from it. You can definitely use the window for your waxy substance. The use the exact same materials and wiring. So the only difference is aesthetic and load functionality.
Cheers,
Zeki
We also do not have either of those in stock so if you found one I'd pick it up.

all I want is a functioning DART! is that too much too ask? haha, well I guess I can use the window loader with my oil, it just turns to liquid when any heat is applied (like basically all BHO) so I hope the window load will work fine.

Again, any comments on the glass adapter??

http://thermovape.force.com/IdaProductDetail?id=01t50000001qlFdAAI

I really would prefer to smoke through a glass mouthpiece/bong than a rubber/plastic/metal tube..

Thanks again for all the help and great advice guys!


PS. guess it really doesn't matter now anyways, when I tried to order the DART top from thermoVape it told me they no longer have the item. I sure hope the side window loading Rev works just fine too because it already cost me twice as much as the eGo batteries I'm putting it on.

I know it doesn't sound like much but the over $100 I've spent on this is the most I've spent on accessories in 10 years, I always get shitty glass pipes kicked down to me and had the same bong for 10 years then after it broke I was lucky enough to find a glass on glass bong in the room I just moved into (gotta love humboldt county, rent a room for $300 a month and find a $150 glass piece in it, score!)

I usually either grow or get all my herb and concentrates for free because I'm not picky and don't have the money to buy anything, so I'm having a hard time justifying the $100 I just spent in the last 2 days but I hope it ends up paying for itself a few times over, I have a couple ounces of BHO so if this thing really can get me lots of hits off a few dabs that will be a great improvement over just dripping a ton over a bong bowl and making a sticky mess everywhere/losing a lot of BHO in the process..... Sorry to ramble, just excited/nervous about my new toy!

 

[Silver420Surfer]

I got the same disappointing email, and decided to go with the original to see how it will work. Oh well.

 

[2clicker]

I got the same disappointing email, and decided to go with the original to see how it will work. Oh well.

you are going to love it. they function exactly the same except for the loading.

the only issue is that the window can get gunked up from opening and closing it. and then that gunk can stick to whatever is in your pocket getting even... ummm gunkier... really isnt a problem if it doesnt go into your pocket. nothing wrong with a little oil residue if nothing is getting stuck to it. been thinking about modding an ecig tank to shield the window when not loading.

but yeah your gonna love the Rev

 

[OF]

. .Well I just got an email back from the people at ThermoVape and they completley disagree with you, so now I'm really confused....


all I want is a functioning DART! is that too much too ask? haha, well I guess I can use the window loader with my oil, it just turns to liquid when any heat is applied (like basically all BHO) so I hope the window load will work fine.

Again, any comments on the glass adapter??

No, they're right, I'm wrong. Sorry, I misread the title as the Dart Loader for Revolution...a very similar looking part (slightly smaller at the top IIRC?). You want the adapter, similar but it fits mostly inside the Revolution.

Revolution is an excellent product. It's identical to DART inside. The window is handy if you're messing with the goods, otherwise I pull the top off the cart, stand it up, dab a bit of concentrate up on a metal tool and heat the tool until it drops into the hole. Easier than the window IMO. A downside is the window gets oil it sometimes when you open and close it by rotating, not so much so with pulling it straight up.

I understand it's a bunch of bucks, but it really is made to last. TV has a set of tooling to 'un press' the base from the tube so they can reuse the body. They torch the ceramic parts (replace as needed), rewind the heater with fresh wire and supply a new base and you're good to go again. And again if needed. And after it's a year old it'll cost you $15 for the service. Not many things in life meant to last like that, IMO there's a bit of 'pride of ownership' in that aspect alone. Having a 'no compromise' thing is pretty neat on it's own IMO.

Best wishes, I'm sure you'll be happy with a LV Revolution, if not I bet the price goes up on used ones once the last few new ones sell....at least for a bit?

Best wishes.

OF

 

[odbsmydog]

I got the same disappointing email, and decided to go with the original to see how it will work. Oh well.

You got an email from thermovape or from gotvape? and when did you order your side loading rev, do you have it yet?

I actually ordered the DART rev because the option was still there, they haven't called me to say they are giving me the normal one yet like they did with the other poster, hopefully they aren't out as they charged me $58 already. Anyways I clicked the DART option on the off-chance they might find one laying around and send it to me. now I honestly dont care after learning more though, I just want any revolution. my oil turns to liquid easily so I will just load from the top, I don't really even need a DART or a window.




No comments on the glass adapter? should I just buy some cheap tubing and rig my own? $30 seems like a lot for 2 tiny pieces of plastic and a rubber tube(don't give me the "medical grade" crap, either way its still plastic and rubber and shouldn't be $30). However I do like the fact it fits right into a 14mm or 18mm opening I just think I could prob get tubing at the hardware/hydro store and fit it over it..

 

[Silver420Surfer]

You got an email from thermovape or from gotvape? and when did you order your side loading rev, do you have it yet?

I actually ordered the DART rev because the option was still there, they haven't called me to say they are giving me the normal one yet like they did with the other poster, hopefully they aren't out as they charged me $58 already. Anyways I clicked the DART option on the off-chance they might find one laying around and send it to me. now I honestly dont care after learning more though, I just want any revolution. my oil turns to liquid easily so I will just load from the top, I don't really even need a DART or a window.
I used "VAPE5" for 5% off my RevLV, BTW.



No comments on the glass adapter? should I just buy some cheap tubing and rig my own? $30 seems like a lot for 2 tiny pieces of plastic and a rubber tube(don't give me the "medical grade" crap, either way its still plastic and rubber and shouldn't be $30). However I do like the fact it fits right into a 14mm or 18mm opening I just think I could prob get tubing at the hardware/hydro store and fit it over it..

The reply was from Gotvape alerting me they are out of the DART. Yes the option was there for me too, but unfortunately not in stock. I Just ordered it, have not received it.

 

[OF]

No comments on the glass adapter? should I just buy some cheap tubing and rig my own? $30 seems like a lot for 2 tiny pieces of plastic and a rubber tube(don't give me the "medical grade" crap, either way its still plastic and rubber and shouldn't be $30). However I do like the fact it fits right into a 14mm or 18mm opening I just think I could prob get tubing at the hardware/hydro store and fit it over it..

OK, I'll have a lash here. I'm a little gun shy having just messed up yet again on TV web pages, but I like it, but not as is. The tube is too stiff and a bit short for my tastes. It's nice tube and all, but we're hooking up vapes not kidney dialysis machines. I use a longer piece (about of foot) of this stuff:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23884&catid=799

Top rate tube, good past the temperatures we need, much more flexible. Cheap. Hardware store stuff is not the same, and "medical grade" is not crap. There are very real things to be concerned about with such things, much of the gear out there is flat out dangerous, some just unpleasant. True medical grade is a plus.

It's a lot of money but it's a nice Delrin 'drip tip' on one end and a similarly well made Delrin bit on the other. That part has another mode as well, you can pull it from the tube and use it's o-ring to shove it straight into the top of stuff like Revolution making it easy to 'stab' your Revolution down onto the GonG fitting. They used to sell that part alone, I have one, it's worth it as well IMO even if you never use a hose.

Better luck with this advice than that last try......

OF

 

[Silver420Surfer]

Just wanted to gie a public Thank You, to Quetzalcoatl, for helping me understand this beautiful mess and what I need to get involved in it!! I could not have asked for a better guide.

 

[odbsmydog]

Sorry for the way I speak, got a bit of a potty mouth. . I wasn't trying to imply that medical grade is crap. I'm saying there is no way the cost of manufacturing that rubber and plastic (no matter how fancy it is) is high enough to justify $30 for 4 inchs of rubber and a few grams of plastic. Again, I understand the importance of medical grade stuff, but I still think there is a bit of price-gouging going on. I worked in a hydro shop for a few years so I'm well aware of the fact that most companies survive by putting a fancy logo on something and selling it for way more than they bought it, and while I'm not accusing ThermoVape of this, I am a very broke college student who has spent all his financial aid already and am no in the position to be throwing money around to help a starting company. (no matter how awesome they may be)

Thanks for the tubing link and the great advice! I think I will just make my own for now and hold off buying any more parts for vapes until I get a CERA or something in the future, no need to break the bank on my first dab toy.

OF, I am confused as to what part you mean, are you talking about a Derlin drip tip? what do I need besides this silicon tubing(and which size do I need) to make my rev work with my bong for nice milky dabs?

 

[2clicker]

not sure if the silicone mouthpiece is ok this close to the heat, but this may be a way to enjoy a window Rev sorta like a dart. plus its super short! very stealthy. it covers up the window when the mouthpiece is on and you could slide it up/off to load via top or window.

that MP is from an Omi cart, but you can get 5pks of them for like $2.50 at some ecig retailers.

wuddayathink?

 

[OF]

OF, I am confused as to what part you mean, are you talking about a Derlin drip tip? what do I need besides this silicon tubing(and which size do I need) to make my rev work with my bong for nice milky dabs?

On one end it's their standard Delrin drip tip, complete with o-ring to seal to the Revolution and 'mouthpiece' end under the tube. At the other end of the tube, hidden from view, is another o-ring connector of the same size, you can take 2/3 of it out and it still works. Tube and drip tip are not needed. You need that third piece, in some form, to mate with your glass typically. A GonG to tube adapter, TV's nifty piece or even nesting pieces of similar tubing to build the end up to fit the GonG (I often use 2 more layers a few inches long each.

To replace the TV tube (and fit drip tips) you probably want the 1/4 ID X 3/8 OD, third down.

You're on you own for the 'milky dabs' part.

OF

 

[odbsmydog]

Haha, I'd hope I'm on my own for the 'milky dabs'! wouldn't want anyone else taking my hits for me... are you saying I wont be able to get a thick hit? in all the vids I've seen people are blowing out pretty big coulds from it so It looks like it heats it up enough to get a big hit (maybe thats the 6v though, and I am aware that when it's smoking it's doing more than vaping, but I still find the pen hits less hard than a nail). I'm not looking to take hits that rival a nail, but I hope it will be able to fill my piece up with smoke otherwise I might as well just use it solo and say eff the adapter as it's no fun to take weak bong rips! I can still just drip some oil on a green screen to get a fat rip, but that always makes my bowl/bong get sticky and messy, not to mention lights on fire and wastes oil when you put too much on..

.. anyways I just got off the phone with Gotvape and they are sending my rev out tonight. Unfortunately they are COMPLETELY out of DARTS. (none floating around in back magically like I had hoped, lol)

So it should be here withen the next 5 days and my eGo batteries will be here tomorrow or today, should be able to post my comments about it withen a weak. Excited!

 

[OF]

Haha, I'd hope I'm on my own for the 'milky dabs'! wouldn't want anyone else taking my hits for me... are you saying I wont be able to get a thick hit?

No, it's quite possible to get levels to please most everyone. And quite impossible to please some IMO. It's hard to compete with a tenth or two gram dabs powered by huge heaters with a tiny fraction of that concentrate and power levels not much above a flashlight. Most 'in the know' believe Revolution/DART is the best of class I'm sure. You won't go wrong with it. It's better than the rest. But if you're looking to go head to head with something using 100 times the concentrate I hope you take disappointment well?

OF

 

[arrr]

Damn so that dart adapter doesn't work with og revolution?

 

[StickyShisha2]

not sure if the silicone mouthpiece is ok this close to the heat, but this may be a way to enjoy a window Rev sorta like a dart. plus its super short! very stealthy. it covers up the window when the mouthpiece is on and you could slide it up/off to load via top or window.

that MP is from an Omi cart, but you can get 5pks of them for like $2.50 at some ecig retailers.

wuddayathink?

I would cut the Omi mp to cover the side hole and only move for full cleaning.
use a separate mp and load from the top like the DART.

 

[odbsmydog]

Damn so that dart adapter doesn't work with og revolution?

Unfortunately, nope. but I think I am just going to try and only top load, hopefully if I don't open and shut the window then the oil wont leak out, but just the fact the window is there is somewhat of a bummer, although if you had a DART tip for it there would still be a window.

I think if you heat and drip BHO directly down the center without opening the window it should work pretty similar to a dart, minus the fact you have to have your own dabber tool.

No, it's quite possible to get levels to please most everyone. And quite impossible to please some IMO. It's hard to compete with a tenth or two gram dabs powered by huge heaters with a tiny fraction of that concentrate and power levels not much above a flashlight. Most 'in the know' believe Revolution/DART is the best of class I'm sure. You won't go wrong with it. It's better than the rest. But if you're looking to go head to head with something using 100 times the concentrate I hope you take disappointment well?

OF

getting kinda mixed messages here I feel, most people said one drop is 1 or 2 solid hits out this thing, and i only dab a lil more than a drop, so I don't understand the a 100 times difference, and yes I already am a little disappointed that I have spent $100 on something that can barely produce more energy than a flashlight. I fail to see how getting 100th of 0.1 is even considered a "hit" how are people getting high off this thing if that's the case?

especially when a year ago a lot of people on this same thread were saying things like:

. . .Load it up with the window open and really make sure your concentrate is melting on the center. Then close and hit it, 3-5 hits and I'm done when it's properly loaded and that's with a pretty good tolerance, this thing really is a portable nail.

I have used multiple ePens that you guys say the Revolution is better than and they all give me decent hits and bong rips when used with my friends adapter, again I know these hits don't compare to a nail rip and I'm not saying they do, but for you to say a dab is 100 times more than the biggest rip you can get of the Rev is very frightening indeed. maybe I will just have stick with combustion and nails in the future, but I have a feeling I will be happy with this thing. Hopefully it will be a lot easier on my throat and lungs than a Ti nail, those kill me to where I almost can't enjoy the high you get..

I would cut the Omi mp to cover the side hole and only move for full cleaning.
use a separate mp and load from the top like the DART.

Dude, THAT is a killer idea!

 

[2clicker]

I would cut the Omi mp to cover the side hole and only move for full cleaning.
use a separate mp and load from the top like the DART.

good call. i can imagine at that point you could maybe use a dart loader in there?

anyway, here is my current dart setup. put some high temperature Viton Fluoroelastomer tubing on it. the piece on top couples the loader and MP together. its 1/16th smaller in size than the dart so it holds them quite snug! makes pulling the dart easier. the bottom piece is simply to protect fingers or legs when tossed into a pocket. its got a slick surface so its not sticky and wont collect dust and lint. matte black not shiny... looks good IMO and is functional.

 

[kushcabbage]

good call. i can imagine at that point you could maybe use a dart loader in there?

anyway, here is my current dart setup. put some high temperature Viton Fluoroelastomer tubing on it. the piece on top couples the loader and MP together. its 1/16th smaller in size than the dart so it holds them quite snug! makes pulling the dart easier. the bottom piece is simply to protect fingers or legs when tossed into a pocket. its got a slick surface so its not sticky and wont collect dust and lint. matte black not shiny... looks good IMO and is functional.

wish I could like your post a million times. Link and sizes for the high temperature Viton Fluoroelastomer tubing pretty please!

 

[2clicker]

wish I could like your post a million times. Link and sizes for the high temperature Viton Fluoroelastomer tubing pretty please!

fo sho!

http://www.mcmaster.com/#viton-fluoroelastomer-tubing/=lcoysw

Part # 5119K44

*EDIT* oh and you can order in amounts of .5 and .25 if you dont want a whole foot of it. they will cut it and bill you as such.

 

[odbsmydog]

fo sho!

http://www.mcmaster.com/#viton-fluoroelastomer-tubing/=lcoysw

Part # 5119K44

*EDIT* oh and you can order in amounts of .5 and .25 if you dont want a whole foot of it. they will cut it and bill you as such.

You can just order .25 of a tube and nothing else? that should only by like 75 cents then right?

*Edit* oops looked at the wrong part, so a .25 piece would be about 3-4 bucks?


I bet they have the other tubing needed to convert the rev to a bong attachment. thanks for the link!

 

[kushcabbage]

dart/ultra porn, cause it's not a thread without sexy pictures

 

[mestizo]

Of,
I own a regular voltage Revolution and my question to you is this:
Can I run a LV Revolution like the one Gotvape has in stock in my regular voltage Rev.?
Thanks.
Mestizo.

 

[bopper]

Of,
I own a regular voltage Revolution and my question to you is this:
Can I run a LV Revolution like the one Gotvape has in stock in my regular voltage Rev.?
Thanks.
Mestizo.

You can change the two batteries in your SV (Standard Voltage) Revolution to a single 3.7v 17670 battery and use the LV Revolution. If you try to use the LV cart with the 6v power supply on your Revolution, it will likely fry quickly.

Best,

bopper

 

[OF]

getting kinda mixed messages here I feel, most people said one drop is 1 or 2 solid hits out this thing, and i only dab a lil more than a drop, so I don't understand the a 100 times difference, and yes I already am a little disappointed that I have spent $100 on something that can barely produce more energy than a flashlight. I fail to see how getting 100th of 0.1 is even considered a "hit" how are people getting high off this thing if that's the case?

100 times is an exaggeration to make a point. The actual numbers are maybe half or a quarter of that, depending. I load typically 50 mg at a time (to a base of about 150), and expect a dozen or so hits. In an absolute push I might do it in six or 8 and load again. Typical vape pen hits (say Omicron) are about 3 mg per, heavy ones five or so by actual measure. Say 300 hits to the gram. To guys used to nail hits of .1 or .2 grams that's pretty light. IMO you should not be adding anything l like .2 to a Revolutiion/DART. "Load small and often".

One mg hits are too small an estimate IMO, 3 is not. Lots of guys get off in a few of those hits. Lots. THC sensitivity can be fairly high if you don't get hammered on huge nail hits routinely. Average consumptions of oil at 50 mg a day pretty darn common actually. 20 days to the gram?

One drop hits from Revolution/DART is not a realistic goal IMO.

Of,
I own a regular voltage Revolution and my question to you is this:
Can I run a LV Revolution like the one Gotvape has in stock in my regular voltage Rev.?

Sorry, no. You have two useful options, however. First for $15 TV will rewind your new LV to SV for you. Or you can get a couple 17760s to put in your SV Revolution supply to convert it to LV. You'll need a charger for the different battery if you don't have one already.

Seem like you're thinking 'backup'? You must understand how cool Revolution really is, our new found friends are about to IMO.

OF

 

[mestizo]

100 times is an exaggeration to make a point. The actual numbers are maybe half or a quarter of that, depending. I load typically 50 mg at a time (to a base of about 150), and expect a dozen or so hits. In an absolute push I might do it in six or 8 and load again. Typical vape pen hits (say Omicron) are about 3 mg per, heavy ones five or so by actual measure. Say 300 hits to the gram. To guys used to nail hits of .1 or .2 grams that's pretty light. IMO you should not be adding anything l like .2 to a Revolutiion/DART. "Load small and often".

One mg hits are too small an estimate IMO, 3 is not. Lots of guys get off in a few of those hits. Lots. THC sensitivity can be fairly high if you don't get hammered on huge nail hits routinely. Average consumptions of oil at 50 mg a day pretty darn common actually. 20 days to the gram?

One drop hits from Revolution/DART is not a realistic goal IMO.



Sorry, no. You have two useful options, however. First for $15 TV will rewind your new LV to SV for you. Or you can get a couple 17760s to put in your SV Revolution supply to convert it to LV. You'll need a charger for the different battery if you don't have one already.

Seem like you're thinking 'backup'? You must understand how cool Revolution really is, our new found friends are about to IMO.

OF

You are absolutely right, I was thinking of a back up.
I think the most economical solution is to buy the LV and have TV modify it to SV.
Thanks OF.
Mestizo