Discontinued Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

[Haywood]

My take on the two rings is the lower one seals the core into the body like the current one does in T1. The upper one retains the cover (taking the place of the threads) and the third one seals the MP to the cover. Wobble might be possible, but I tend to think not.

Just guesses, of course....
OF

Hmm. Check out this picture. Maybe they didn't screw down the core all the way, but if they did, the two O-Rings are well above the body:

I figure that the mouthpiece will be sitting right on top of the bowl, and the four notches will be the vapor path from the core, then going into the four holes in the side of the UFO. The cover will provide maybe a half mm gap around the core/mouthpiece "connection" and the design of the mouthpiece and cover will make sure the bottom of the mouthpiece is centered properly on the top of the core. Hard to take measurements with the pictures we have, but if I guess about the height of the exposed bowl in the above picture, and add the height of the mouthpiece below the O-Ring, it looks to be about the right size to fit in the cover.

Oh, and you don't need a seal on that part of the gizmo anyway, that path only leads to the input side of the core; it's blocked by the two (or one, if you're right) O-Rings from getting to the output path. Any leakage will just add to what's coming in via the eight holes around the body.

Kind of nice that the herb will be completely surrounded on all sides by ceramic.

As you said, Just guesses, of course.

I wonder if the inside of the cover is smooth, or has groves to channel the vapor...


heeheehee

 

[OF]

Hmm. Check out this picture. Maybe they didn't screw down the core all the way, but if they did, the two O-Rings are well above the body:


Oh, and you don't need a seal on that part of the gizmo anyway, that path only leads to the input side of the core; it's blocked by the two (or one, if you're right) O-Rings from getting to the output path. Any leakage will just add to what's coming in via the eight holes around the body.

Kind of nice that the herb will be completely surrounded on all sides by ceramic.

I wonder if the inside of the cover is smooth, or has groves to channel the vapor...

Excellent catch, so the two rings are for stability then? You're right, no seal is needed any air leak will only add to the air coming in the vents. My take is the vapor has a clearance to flow laterally to make it to the side ports in the MP. That rim might be under size? Or maybe ribs in the cover? It all has to mold well so I doubt there's any undercuts under the cover, but who knows?

Be fun to see the details, as in the other products I bet it's going to be impressive.

Thanks for more food for thought.

OF

 

[jambandphan03]

I am enjoying reading all the thoughts on the new design. I have to admit my initial impression was a little off with the first photo, but now that we are seeing more about how it's designed, it's grown on me quickly and has my attention.

 

[OF]

I am enjoying reading all the thoughts on the new design. I have to admit my initial impression was a little off with the first photo, but now that we are seeing more about how it's designed, it's grown on me quickly and has my attention.

Well put, Lady. I'm thinking it's like MFLB or the TV stuff (as well as others) where what at first seems like a pretty klunky way of doing things on some inspection and reflection is shown to be truly elegant in the design details. A bit of that 'work of art' thing?

I think it's fair to say a few knowledgeable, very clever folks hashed it through before we see what's in the photos. Proven skills.

I also keep coming back to the thought that they've effectively mothballed some great products.....

Agree with your observations here. Should make for quick cleaning. The holes are bigger and the vapor path needs to make a U-turn to get to them. Sure does look that way anyway.
This guy is looking better all the time.

Quick routine cleaning, but as we were discussing earlier on I doubt it's going to wipe clean in places. Like the inside of the mouthpiece for instance?

OF

 

[Pipes]

I figure that the mouthpiece will be sitting right on top of the bowl, and the four notches will be the vapor path from the core, then going into the four holes in the side of the UFO. The cover will provide maybe a half mm gap around the core/mouthpiece "connection" and the design of the mouthpiece and cover will make sure the bottom of the mouthpiece is centered properly on the top of the core. Hard to take measurements with the pictures we have, but if I guess about the height of the exposed bowl in the above picture, and add the height of the mouthpiece below the O-Ring, it looks to be about the right size to fit in the cover.

heeheehee

Agree with your observations here. Should make for quick cleaning. The holes are bigger and the vapor path needs to make a U-turn to get to them. Sure does look that way anyway.
This guy is looking better all the time.
Pipes

 

[SameOldTim]

More Oh Boy!

Here's a picture of the bottom of the device. Not quite the best angle to see the functionality, but I haven't seen it posted here yet:

btw, stainless steel scratches, titanium (mostly) doesn't. Titanium can also be anodized into a whole rainbow of gorgeous colors...

Been looking some more at the available pictures, and I've been trying to figure out the science (reason) behind the airflow and multiple sets of four. The top of the bowl has four 90° notches. The mouthpiece has four holes at 90° around the bottom edge of the UFO. There are four air holes, at 90°, times two, around the top of the battery holder. There are four air holes, times two, around the base of the heater. Wonder if rotational phase between the parts makes a difference in the vapor flow.

More nonsense to think about. Ceramic cools down really really fast, compared to metal, as I recall. Might be that by the time you finish the last hit of a load, exhale, smile, and remove the cap assembly over the bowl, that it (the bowl) will already be cool enough to handle. Or not. Wonder if mindlessly tapping the edge of the core on an ashtray (to knock out the ABV) will wind up in lots of cracked/broken bowls. Or not.

Hmm one O-Ring around the core would provide all the grip and airtightness needed, I guess there are two so there's no lateral wobble in the cover/mouthpiece. Would fix one of my bitches about a lot of the gen 1 mouthpieces (they wobble).

Hey Tim, tell us a little about the Cera for concentrates. Is it just a core/bowl replacement? (This piece):

This part is actually not exactly to production specs, its missing one more o-ring further down by the holes and there are also only 4 holes on the bottom instead of 6. The bottom holes aren't actually for airflow, they are for set screws that secure the two pieces together. You are correct about the mouthpiece, it essentially acts as a big "UFO" as we call it


Heres an idea.

 

[BlueCloud]

This looks great, looking forwad to more info.

 

[Haywood]

This part is actually not exactly to production specs, its missing one more o-ring further down by the holes

Looks like both of us were right, OF.

 

[SameOldTim]

Well put, Lady. I'm thinking it's like MFLB or the TV stuff (as well as others) where what at first seems like a pretty klunky way of doing things on some inspection and reflection is shown to be truly elegant in the design details. A bit of that 'work of art' thing?

I think it's fair to say a few knowledgeable, very clever folks hashed it through before we see what's in the photos. Proven skills.

I also keep coming back to the thought that they've effectively mothballed some great products.....



Quick routine cleaning, but as we were discussing earlier on I doubt it's going to wipe clean in places. Like the inside of the mouthpiece for instance?

OF

Definitely a work of art! it feels like something from the future almost.

It wipes clean pretty well, and we have other ways to clean it to nearly new

 

[OF]

Looks like both of us were right, OF.

Yeah, and both of us missed a big one, did you just hear Tim say 'setscrews'? I did.......

Suddenly it got more interesting, doncha think?

OF

 

[Pipes]

Yeah, and both of us missed a big one, did you just hear Tim say 'setscrews'? I did.......

Suddenly it got more interesting, doncha think?

OF

Have to balance those dilithium crystals somehow.

 

[OF]

Have to balance those dilithium crystals somehow.

You know that's the first thing I thought of, mounts for the dilithium crystals! The Titanium part is right as well (the stainless version will have to make do on impulse power I figure) but then I realized without unobtanium tips for the setscrews the crystals are going to melt free with chain hitting.

And trust me the last thing you want when you're really loaded is a hot dilithium crystal dropping into your lap.....

Please don't ask me how I know?

OF

 

[Darb]

Thermovape site is down again. Guess this means more updates coming!!!

 

[Pipes]

You know that's the first thing I thought of, mounts for the dilithium crystals! The Titanium part is right as well (the stainless version will have to make do on impulse power I figure) but then I realized without unobtanium tips for the setscrews the crystals are going to melt free with chain hitting.

And trust me the last thing you want when you're really loaded is a hot dilithium crystal dropping into your lap.....

Please don't ask me how I know?

OF

You know, we're onto something. This new galaxy class can drop it's impulse engine and dock with a warp drive. Extend the fuel capacity and cera go.

Pipes

 

[ShipDit]

You know, we're onto something. This new galaxy class can drop it's impulse engine and dock with a warp drive. Extend the fuel capacity and cera go.

Pipes

Really? Dilithium crystals?
Come on man,it's all about ball-bearings now-a-days!

 

[OF]

You know, we're onto something. This new galaxy class can drop it's impulse engine and dock with a warp drive. Extend the fuel capacity and cera go.

You know Pipes, if they lock you up again.......

I told you I wasn't going to bail you out again, and I meant it.

"That one over there, guys, and get that jacket on tight....".

OF

 

[Pipes]

You know Pipes, if they lock you up again.......

I told you I wasn't going to bail you out again, and I meant it.

"That one over there, guys, and get that jacket on tight....".

OF

Shuss, not so loud, their going to figure out who sent me the file.

 

[2clicker]

 

[darkrom]

Tim what is the password!

If I hack it do I get a free vape

 

[OF]

Shuss, not so loud, their going to figure out who sent me the file.

Hey, don't blame me. Norton said it was virus free when I sent it........

OF

 

[darkrom]

 

[ShipDit]

^^^^ Tim,see what happens when left to our own devices?^^^^
Let's end this info embargo before I relapse into spouting dick jokes!

 

[JoeKickass]

Definitely a work of art! it feels like something from the future almost.

It wipes clean pretty well, and we have other ways to clean it to nearly new

Video?

 

[Haywood]

Yeah, and both of us missed a big one, did you just hear Tim say 'setscrews'? I did.......

Suddenly it got more interesting, doncha think?

OF

I did, I did.

And for those of you who read the forums on an hourly basis (or more) , you may not have noticed a picture that Tim added to one his previous replies to me:

Nice shape to the contact on the bottom; semicircular rather than flat. For better contact to the upper sliding switch, no doubt. Still doesn't look like a 501 thread. Can't tell what the material from this drawing. If it's metal, rather than ceramic, then maybe the core/bowl itself comes in either metal or ceramic. (Never considered that!). And note how much thicker the walls are in this drawing. More to think about.

And the set screws are hex bolts, not spline or torx (or, thank heaven, phillips or slotted).

Maybe we're all overthinking this, you know. Vape junkies in search of a better equipment fix...

 

[doniv]

WHOA!???!!

They teased us with just 1 photo.
Then they uploaded more product photos showing the unit disassembled.
Now they say that the product photos are not the real deal.
And we're back to looking at a CAD drawing labeled "Here's an idea".
Talk about progress!

It's fun to speculate and all that, but it's more fun to actually toke. Teasing builds excitement but too much of that and it turns into frustration.

I'll wait for OF's report on the real thing.