Discontinued Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

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Egzoset

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Hummm...

I don't know what temp the cera gets to, but I don't imagine it would be excessive of ti, or steels oxidation point.

It could be interesting to know what's the specific type of ceramic to compare the various properties...

:science:
 
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Tweek

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I am ramping up in my excitement to try the Cera out. After getting to use so many other portables, I think I have narrowed down what I really want from a vape, and I am very hopeful this Cera will be the one to fill those requirements. It was ridiculous how fast things fell into place for me to be able to pre-order... why resist when things are going that smoothly, eh?

I am also curious to see more on the LL, I think that is on the way when these guys get the next vids together.

Yeah, I had a change of heart about this unit as well and couldn't resist putting in an order. Not sure if my marriage will survive this purchase, but maybe my smile still has some magic to it? I have to walk a fine line; everything in the house is hers, except for the vaporizers. :science:
 

JoeKickass

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Hummm...



It could be interesting to know what's the specific type of ceramic to compare the various properties...

:science:

Ceramic should be ok, but I think the SS oil cart is probably the most susceptible to heat damage, I tried torching my Dart like that (they said you could) and the rim MELTED, flared out and metal flaked off, so I would really think twice before exposing your $100 core to 3623F (propane torch)

Stainless melting point - 2750F
Titanium melting point - 3034F
Ceramic melting point - 5500F
 

AirDru

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Made a big decision. So I finished my supply of wax tonight and it got me thinking. I've decided not to pick up meds from my dispensary until the cera has been shipped.

Although concentrates are very effective at relieving my pain, i think its important to take breaks
My tolerance has gotten a bit out of control lately.

This should also give my lungs a nice rest. My healthstone pipe broke a few months ago and I switched to a micro oil rig. I've never been a cougher but I swear heavy use of the TI nail makes me cough after multiple dabs and keeps me congested as shit in the mornings.

Ideally i would like to transition to full time vaporization with the occasional dab. I'm really hoping that the cera is the answer I've been looking for.

Help me get heathy TV!
 

iamn3ko

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I'm officially sold on Cera! Just took the plunge! SS version Loose Leaf Core with Battery and wall adapter! So stoked!

Will I still be part of the Pre-Order shipping on Dec 10th??
 
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AirDru

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I would be more likely to do an iso soak rather than a torch cleaning...reclaim is nice. :D

Agree 100%.

Although after the Iso soak I would def boil it if I were gonna go through an airport or drive through state boarders on a road trip ect.

And to anyone who is uncomfortable with York cleaning:
I think they Are showing us the torch cleaning as a testament to the durability. I believe he hard that although u can that they don't recommend cleaning with a torch.
 

PAZ

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Would you guys consider the Cera LL a decent portable to use in a small group (3-5 people)? Seems super easy to use if you were trying it for the first time, but would any attachments make it easier if people haven't vaped before?
 
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relmic

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so I finally relented and preordered the stainless steel loose leaf.
I have a mivape on preorder, but I think I'm going to pursue a refund.
as my first vape, I have a feeling I made the right choice.
 

Stu

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Would you guys consider the Cera LL a decent portable to use in a small group (3-5 people)? Seems super easy to use if you were trying it for the first time, but would any attachments make it easier if people haven't vaped before?
I don't think that this will be a party vape for groups using the LL. More of a personal device for the medical user IMO.

OF could elaborate, but he's never been seen with more than 2 people, so I doubt that 'party' is in his vocabulary. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've never seen him at any of my company's events. I think that is proof enough that he is severly anti-social and ill-equiped to handle such inquiries.

:peace:
 

OF

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@OF
If you were in a position of only vaping loose leaf, would the cera be a good choice?

Yes, I think so. It might not be my first choice (not sure what might) but I don't consider it a poor choice by any measure.

Would you guys consider the Cera LL a decent portable to use in a small group (3-5 people)?

I'd have to say it depends on the people. If they can do it in a session under say ten minutes total and are willing the change bowls the rules should be the same as for a single user. Otherwise, I agree with Stu, it really is a 'one man vape' at heart. Medical users don't tend to party down in groups....

OF
 

ThermoVape

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Ceramic should be ok, but I think the SS oil cart is probably the most susceptible to heat damage, I tried torching my Dart like that (they said you could) and the rim MELTED, flared out and metal flaked off, so I would really think twice before exposing your $100 core to 3623F (propane torch)

Stainless melting point - 2750F
Titanium melting point - 3034F
Ceramic melting point - 5500F





Allright. the Cera Essential Oil Performance and Efficiency video has been shot. Editing now.

So no BS, single continous take, here is what we did.

Round 1. Pure Gold, Standard, "ampule/capsule" - High Purity Essential Oil - readily available. Amount loaded into bone dry Cera EO core = 0.5g = 0.5ml = 0.5cc. Then Ran until dry/thin vapor by my personal standard. (zero leaks BTW, ran hard... I can vape).

Round 2. High Density Essential Oil - Waxy Consistency - High Purity. Amount loaded immediately following round 1 = 0.25g = 0.5ml = 0.4cc. Then Ran until dry/thin vapor by my personal standard.

So, I went through this straight. Took me over an hour, single battery. Certainly praying for either the battery to die or the vhamber to run dry by the end of it. So we will have data for:

Total Inhalations from 0.5g PG
Total Inahltions for 0.25 g WX
Total Inhaltion for 0.75g EO (PG+WX)
Total Inhalations for 1 battery charge.

I am biased, and not objective, that is why we shoot no BS videos. People can make there own assessment of the performance of our devices by our videos.

This shold represent a accurate performance example of what you can expect with those volumes of material in the Cera.

That was serious, not going to be repeating that anytime soon. Glad we got it on film.

Editing nightmare... working on it. Please be patient, it was time consuming and the video stuff is not what we are good at. We are getting better but we do not have teh super fast computers or internet to really get through the video quickly.

Quick question:
A movie like this is way too long for youtube, so we will fast forward and focust on the highlights., material, inhalation count etc.

If people want to see the entire, longer version, i.e. the continuos non-fast forwarded video (and perhaps other, longer in-house video projects) let us know. If you want to see them we will get a vimeo account and host them ourselves so people can check them out. In these longer vids, I make every effort to answer questions about the device, in-between inhalations. So let us know, do people want to watch hour long vapor vids?

Okay. We are plugging away. We remain on schedule, with Stainless on track, and Titanium laggin slightly being as expected. We have gone through around 1/2 of our pre-sale. We are meeting with our ceramics contact here in San Carlos on the 6th. We will know then if we can produce more then then the 500 units , before christmas. We probably can, we just need see if we need to.

I'll try to get on the forum more later today... just busy... someones got to keep the train on schedule. :D
Cheers,

Noah
 

ThermoVape

Vaporizer Manufacturer
Manufacturer
Would you guys consider the Cera LL a decent portable to use in a small group (3-5 people)? Seems super easy to use if you were trying it for the first time, but would any attachments make it easier if people haven't vaped before?

No. We would not recommend the Cera LL for you if you need a "party vape/multi-user vape."

The Cera - LL is really designed for you or you and a friend, or you and your significant whomever....

The exception would be if you are running water extracted/pressed/traditional botanical concentrate. Running that material directly will produce a very effective vapor, from a single chamber, for awhile (we'll shoot video demonstrating). Also mixing essntail oil, with loose leaf will also produce accelerated results that allow for more people to use the device conveniently because of the increase concentration in the vapor. Both of those applications of the Cera LL make for a powerfull package. We will demonstrate in the next couple days.

That said for Loose Leaf Convection vaporization. We are not trying to make a party vape. It is too diificult to build a pocket sized raw loose leaf botanical convection vaporizer that could be used by a group. the device would have to get bigger (as would the chamber) to be true convection and keep performing. We feel like we have to be pocket friendly, and we are already pushing the "is that a Cera in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

Both...

Anyway. Efficient, Effective, Convection vaporization. In your pocket. That is where the Cera LL shines, as your personal vaporizer. Conduction units are better suited for the crowd pleasing application.

We will demo pretty much all materials we think people want to use in their vaporizer.

Cera Loose Leaf (Cera - LL)
1. Raw dried botianicals such as tobacco, and others.
2. Dry concentrates such as screen sieved
3. cold water extracts
4. oil botiancial combinations.


Cera Essential Oil (Cera - EO)
1. Gold Standard, Pure Gold
2. High purity liquid oils that are liquid at room temp
3. High purity oils that are soft at room temp.
3. High purity oils that are solid at room temp.

All transition to a complete liquid state with the application of direct or indirect heat.

Cera E-Liquid Vaporizer
1. Vegetable glycerol base e-cig type liquids (personally vape a US made VG based Nicotine liquid)
2. VG Tinctures.


All of these have/or will be directly demonstrated on video. It will take us a few days to do it, but you should have a very clear idea of exactly how the Cera will perform with a wide array of materials. That way, you'll know exactly the type of performance you can expect.

I am sure I am missing questions, this one caught my atention. I'll get bak on later. Thank you for your patience. Trust me, we are working.
 

ThermoVape

Vaporizer Manufacturer
Manufacturer
Jam gettin' all orbitronic on us n' shit...

Yes. The orbtronic batteries should be fine. I have ordered a couple. We'll make sure. However the specs are adequate and the Cell is a panasonic, so should be good and perform very similar to the factory battery.

We' let you know if we see any variation from their listed spec. Not likely IMO.

Noah
 

Bluntcrush

Director of Vapor Research Labs™
^ I second
Plus the excitement to finally use this device for myself is rampant. Looking forward also to this new video, as it holds many answers specific to my use!
Cheers!
 

marduk

daydreamer
Thermovape,

Will there be an option to modify the LL cart for a more unrestricted draw like there was for the T1, or does the ceramic construction make that not possible?
 
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vapelvr

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Hey, I'll try to hit most of your points and let you know what I think. Lots of questions so hopefully it all makes sense.


THank you for the detailed reply! I really appreciate the time you must have spent putting it all together!

I am also still wondering if anyone who has compared the Solo and the Cera could comment on the herb side of things, flavor, density, efficiency? As well as the Inhalator or XP especially, vs. the Cera side by side?

Thanks!
 
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OF

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I am also still wondering if anyone who has compared the Solo and the Cera could comment on the herb side of things, flavor, density, efficiency? As well as the Inhalator or XP especially, vs. the Cera side by side?

You do understand that so far such people don't exist, right? I am one of very few folks who have tried Cera and while I now have the loan of a solo I am by no means familiar enough with it to offer a fair comparison. After the negative comments given to TV for daring to compare their products to others, even by showing an out of focus photo in passing, I surely don't expect them to venture and opinion, do you?

Perhaps SM (who has a unit now and extensive experience with other vapes) can venture an opinion when he's ready, but right now he's the only potential source of this information I know.

Ironically you're asking for the details of exactly what TV was criticized for doing in broad terms seems to me.

OF
 
OF,

Dreamerr

Always in a state of confusion and silliness♀
Hey OF can you or your friend who owns the solo do a draw restriction test and if nobody wants to hear comparisons please pm me in stead. You know draw restriction is my biggest thing. Slim will take a long time before he fully forms his opinion which is good but inquiring minds want to know.
 
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