Discontinued Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

[OF]

Tim sent me a PM earlier today regarding my pre-order...

Guess I won't be getting any freebies this time around

Bummer. See what happens to you when you use your real name? Hey, we tried to distract 'em. Maybe next time?

Soooooooooooo sorry Q. I was hoping for ya.

Yeah, what the Lady just said!

Here Noah says that a mouth piece will be n clouded in all EO and EL Cera's is this still a go, causei ordered a moister. To and stir stick when I confirmed my order and address with them today. It's ready to go

Yes, as of a couple hours ago that was still the plan. A standard drip tip will come with each EO and EL cart. IMO for those of us looking for a hit or two at a time, this is a better way to go than the Cera cap and mouthpiece. I think most will agree. The plan is to include a generous supply of spare rings as well (I recall someone asking?).

I just got back from another visit to the shop. There were/are two projects going on on adjacent benches. First is the switch project. The latest attempt to pot (epoxy seal) the back of the switches once again failed. They're using a thin 'self leveling' epoxy (as I think they should for the application) inside a support ring but there's spare holes in the back that they're having epoxy leak through. The latest glue they tried to seal the holes isn't cutting it, so they're moving on to a better one that takes a little longer to set. A small thing, IMO, they should have the leaks plugged (probably in the batch that's waiting the 4 hours for the epoxy to cure. I took home one of the reject caps (switch body got scratched up in final assembly) that didn't leak. That is, I think, the last issue with the basic Cera.

The next bench down had 'the guys' working on the safety 'switch' final version. It's looking like the final version will be in insulating pin (you have to pull it out to work). They're still working on the hardware, but that too is a sort term delay IMO. In use you'll be able to load up the Cera and carry it around with the safety pin installed with confidence. When done you can either remove the battery or loosen the cap and reinsert the pin for safe carry. Seems very positve and foolproof to me.

I've got a few more errands to run, buy then the epoxy should be fully cured (I took it 'soft' from them) and I can try out the momentary cap.

OF

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Dibs on the Cera if something... "bad" happens with the epoxy cap.

I called it first!

Hope you don't mind, OF. I'll put her through her paces and then some. But don't worry, I'll be gentle... as "gentle" as she lets me be with her

 

[Medical Mark]

So OF I ordered a smooth flow moister conditioner mouth piece nd a nonstick tool the mouth pice will work on it right?

 

[iamn3ko]

OF, thanks for the update. Is the safety pin something that totally comes out? Like something with the possibility of losing it or misplacing a little pin? Or is it still attached?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I remember reading that the safety pin will have a small hole in it so you can attach it to a keyring. That sounds like a good idea... on paper. I get borderline panic attacks when I misplace my Ultra, even when it's in my pocket... losing the safety pin would make me cry! I hope that's not the case, but we shall see in a bit...

 

[Medical Mark]

Hey MedicalMark I don't know if you noticed or cleared it with the guys at TET but on the TET site on the moisture conditioner smooth-flow MP it says its NOT for use with Cera.

I just noticed that because I was going to order one as well.

Ya just read the thread OF wrote next page I believe it will work even if it doesn't ill find a use for it some how ill mcgyver it to something and make it work with one of my vapes like the gpen, solo, pax, plenty, atmos, well see how this all works out.

 

[Medical Mark]

Ever heard of crazy glue lol

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I'm sure the thought crossed their mind, and I'm sure they opted out for a good reason.

By the way, you get 6 hours before you can't edit your posts any longer. The people in charge like it when you merge posts together using the edit button if you're within the time limit, just a heads up

 

[OF]

So OF I ordered a smooth flow moister conditioner mouth piece nd a nonstick tool the mouth pice will work on it right?

Yes, it works well. IMO sometimes it's not very important, other times adding a little bit of moisture back into the vapor does wonders. I'm sure you'll like it. Just remember to keep it wet (my problem, I forget and it dries out....).

OF, thanks for the update. Is the safety pin something that totally comes out? Like something with the possibility of losing it or misplacing a little pin? Or is it still attached?

You're very welcome. It's a loose piece (tethering it to the unit didn't work out well). Hopefully you won't loose it, but if you do as bamboo skewer, matchstick or toothpick should work instead until you get a replacement.

I remember reading that the safety pin will have a small hole in it so you can attach it to a keyring. That sounds like a good idea... on paper. I get borderline panic attacks when I misplace my Ultra, even when it's in my pocket... losing the safety pin would make me cry! I hope that's not the case, but we shall see in a bit...

Yes, the last sample I saw had a loop for just that use. To be practical for key ring storage I think I'd add one of those little catches that let you detach the trunk key from your key ring?

What exactly we can do about your strange emotional attachment to vapes and their parts I haven't a clue about...... Maybe in your case, chaining it to your belt would be a good plan?

I'm telling you friends and neighbors it was a treat seeing all those built up cores (3 types), bodies and so on in trays waiting on the end caps and safety pins. Hopefully the next time I'm by those sub assemblies will have been boxed up and be on their way to their new homes....and their adopted families.

OF

 

[YeeeBuddy]

So this safety switch is just a pin and the cera won't work unless you take it out? So the only on/off control is gonna be from the bottom button? I still can't believe they scratched the original idea, how hard is it to hit bottom switch if you aren't using it or
Theirs a possibility of the safety being pushed? I foresee a lot more problems with people losing these than accidental turn ons with the original design. Call me crazy.

 

[AirDru]

So this safety switch is just a pin and the cera won't work unless you take it out? So the only on/off control is gonna be from the bottom button? I still can't believe they scratched the original idea, how hard is it to hit bottom switch if you aren't using it or
Theirs a possibility of the safety being pushed? I foresee a lot more problems with people losing these than accidental turn ons with the original design. Call me crazy.

yeah its kind of a bummer but im gonna reserve judgement for when i actually have it in my hands.

i was really hoping that it would be like a kill switch for EO and VG. that way you could turn the cera on with the latching switch, take a drag, and then kill the heat with your thumb in between inhalations.

excited about the recent progress none the less.

 

[TheRobbo]

As soon as I read it was gonna just be an insulating rod I dropped them an email asking about the possibility of making mine with the original on off push push... (cause I plan on removing the battery when not actively vapeing with cera, eliminating any chance of accidental turn ons)
Haven't heard back yet guessing they are flat out boxing up units.

 

[prk]

yeah its kind of a bummer but im gonna reserve judgement for when i actually have it in my hands.

i was really hoping that it would be like a kill switch for EO and VG. that way you could turn the cera on with the latching switch, take a drag, and then kill the heat with your thumb in between

This is exactly what was shown in the early videos, and was a really large selling point for me. I suppose I'll reserve my final judgement until I've tried it or read others' reports, but this is not an appealing change, I think to a lot of us... I didn't give a rat's rear end about a safety pin, but a secondary power switch, more conveniently located than the bottom switch and able to be activated and deactivated via the latching bottom switch sounded perfect. Kind of a bummer that they made this change, and despite all the disclaimers about the likely ship date, there were none that I knew of disclaiming that we were being shown a prototype subject to further design modifications... Maybe it can be modified in the future to act as originally intended - I know the TET folks have shown a keen interest in producing models tweaked to user requests. We'll see.

 

[OF]

This is exactly what was shown in the early videos, and was a really large selling point for me.

there were none that I knew of disclaiming that we were being shown a prototype subject to further design modifications... Maybe it can be modified in the future to act as originally intended - I know the TET folks have shown a keen interest in producing models tweaked to user requests. We'll see.

I understand how folks looking on at this can feel this way, but I very much differ with the idea that such a switch was ever a guaranteed feature. In fact, quite the opposite. From the very start I've tried to be very clear, I have a Beta Test unit. The whole idea of such tests (and their units) is to test the production design for this very kind of 'hidden' problem. That's what Beta Testing is. A test. Things can (and in this case it seems, do) change based on those tests. This is exactly why such tests are traditionally done confidentially. I've been involved in many of these more traditional test formats, as have many others on these Forums, it should be clear to all the wisdom of confidentiality?

TV took the (I think unprecedented) step of making this part of the Beta test very public. They, I think, showed how much they value us in doing so. This was covered, I thought, very well but it seems not well enough? Normally the details of such tests are never made public. Often the fact the tests are even happening is secret. TV was very confident of the basic design and told me to 'call it like it is' on this Forum. Frankly, while I think such confidence is super, I'm not sure I'd recommend ever doing it this way again? Honest folks can get mighty upset about fairly routine 'Beta Test feedback'. There's an old wives tale about 'you don't miss what you don't know' or something like that.....you never have an old wife around when you really want one. Anyone else ever notice that?

No matter how you slice it, IMO it's just not safe. Lots in life is not safe of course. I've personally had it turn on twice on me, fortunately when setting it down ('for just a brief break'....) on it's side in the box. Could be in your pocket. While you're getting your ID out for the Blue Meanie in front of you? Not normally a good time to be answering questions like 'why is your jacket pocket smoking?'. It's human nature to keep turning it on and off with the side switch and figure the job is done......you know, like when your stoned and all? Remember, I never reported this to TV, they made the decision based on the experience of some other Beta Tester it seems (traditionally we don't know each other and are forbidden to 'compare notes' for the obvious reasons). It's been pointed out that with one exception all the videos do not have this switch. I have the one from the video that does (I think) with the colors modified to suit my color blind eyes. I think 'the other one' (there may be more than one?) is the other way around (white side in when on), because Tim keeps reassembling mine 'backwards'. Otherwise, it seems, the other Beta and 'demo' units from the video have nothing in the holes. No side switch although you clearly can see Noah trying to use the switch that isn't there......

My bet is the Lawyers put their little foot down on this point? Investors/owners are usually very reluctant to expose their companies to such identified tort risks. One law suit could end TV. If it could be shown that such a risk was known before hand (and how hard is that to do with this discussion???) it could get ugly with a jury (who might even have folks that don't think MM is good?). There might even be some poor 'victum' with an Ambulance Chaser for a Brother-in-Law who might be tempted to stage such an 'accident'? Such scams can't be confined to 'swoop and squat' tricks on the highway. It's a good world out there, with some bad people in it. Sometimes having to consider 'worst case' (in terms of protecting the company) can lead to unfortunate choices, I think perhaps this is a good example of that?

Bottom line is I don't think TV is 'going there'. I would not hold my breath on that. OTOH, the necessary holes are in the tube, the parts needed 'off the shelf' and there are a lot of clever folks in this here little world of ours.......

OF

 

[SpiralVape]

I'm also wondering about the switch being on the bottom for e-liquid. Just as others have said, reserving judgement and trusting that thermovape has looked into this. The mod pictures from OF attaching the e-liquid core to an ultra were exciting. Not to mention I loved the look of it. But who knows if this will happen from thermovape.

Once the toggle switches come in, maybe the heating element in the e-liquid core is able to sustain a constant perfect temperature for always heating the e-liquid? It would be more like a cigarette. You turn it on and it creates vapor, the user takes a drag and when not taking a hit vapor continues to produce? With most e-cigs, continuous heating the element becomes too hot for the liquid. Maybe the e-liquid core has more resistance and needs to heat up to vaping temp where it remains constant? All is speculation until they ship and the reviews start pouring in.

 

[Dreamerr]

OF I think you are trying to say...what you don't know won't hurt you? If not carry on. I am not an old woman...they didn't have a woman.

 

[OF]

OF I think you are trying to say...what you don't know won't hurt you? If not carry on. I am not an old woman...they didn't have a woman.

Yeah, that too. Thanks.

And of course you're not an old woman.....yer timeless, and we know it.

OF

 

[YeeeBuddy]

It just kind of seems like in trying to solve one potential problem they created five new ones.

 

[OF]

It just kind of seems like in trying to solve one potential problem they created five new ones.

So true. Life is like that sometimes.......

"No good deed goes unpunished".

OF

 

[AirDru]

the cera features page shows the cera as featuring a safety switch. not a saftey pin. http://thermovape.com/feature

however the picture of the dissected Cera states that the cera features a safety lock.

I like the product in this video.

 

[Medical Mark]

It's a insulated pin just needs to be a conductor that's all . It can be removed so something insulted and conductive can be used as it was before they decid to change it just remove a bit of insulation or get a different pin.
Sit why couldn't they give both style pins and let us make the decision of what is better for us regardless of the consequences.http://static.squarespace.com/stati...10a90f72ca/1353462936884/Project Cera-281.jpg
Look deep into rtde Cera you see the insulated rubber and the solid metal pin that's all it is.
A easy fix if the whole pin is removable just use your imagination very easy to figure out
I don't like the change either.

 

[OF]

the cera features page shows the cera as featuring a safety switch. not a saftey pin. http://thermovape.com/feature

however the picture of the dissected Cera states that the cera features a safety lock.

Yup, and it's going to have a safety lock right there, right? One could even argue the pin version is still a switch (basically because it is)......just not the sort of switch we wish for.

Such a switch is just not realistic there I think, not the way it was tried anyway. If you can't accept that, perhaps it's better to cancel? IMO that would be a huge loss, the Cera is really very cool even with out it.

"It is what it is"?

Sit why couldn't they give both style pins and let us make the decision of what is better for us regardless of the consequences.

Assuming you meant "Still, why not....", my answer remains the same. Too many Lawyers. Get real for a minute "regardless of the consequences" is no protection whatever from '....but you supplied the evil device to my poor client.....'. Juries eat that stuff up, and any Tort Lawyer will tell you so. Deep pockets. And as I said, there's sure to be a hater of the Evil Weed on the jury ready to push for the death penalty. Remember, the victims mouthpiece gets to help pick the 'twelve tried and true'......

Very thin ice.

OF

 

[Medical Mark]

Oh well it is what it is
You take what you get and run with it I guess

 

[AirDru]

Cancel. Hell no.

I was merely pointing out the differences in how they've marketed the cera on different parts of their site.

I think that the safety pin definitely counts as a safety lock. Thus no one has really been misled.

Hopefully tet will address our desires for a on/off safety switch on the mini. Fingers crossed.

 

[OF]

Oh well it is what it is
You take what you get and run with it I guess

Agreed. Still, IMO it's great to have so many good choices out there, and more coming all the time. Great system, rewarding success and all, but it too is not perfect....just better than the alternatives. Sometimes.

Hopefully most of the frustration folks are feeling will soon be 'going up in smoke' so to speak......

Cancel. Hell no.

Now don't be shy, AD, tell the nice people how you really feel about not playing......

OF