Smknbud
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Not experiencing that with my Wand and I'm pretty sensitive/aware of odd or unusual odors.
The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie
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Pulled it out and the silicone insert smells strongly of it. Almost a burning hair smell more than electrical.
The wand has no smell once I pulled that out. I decided to swap out the silicone sleeve for the O-rings that came with my SkullKandy insert as pictured below and will see if that fixes this.
BuddBuddly
Member
I think it is coming from the silicone. It took it out and smelled it, and it seemed like it followed the insert and not the wand. There doesn't seem to be any discoloration
Timps27
Feel like I’m winnin’ when I’m losin’ again
I swapped in the direct tube after running the helix for the first day, I am using the SCU with all setups. I've found I like the bypass setting on both the helix and direct, there is definitely more warmth and flavor with the direct tube.
I also like that it evens out the heat distribution through the piece; with the helix tube I get a fairly extreme heat distribution, the helix is doing such a good job cooling the whole top half of the body is cool, while the bottom half is hot. If you want cool vapor this will deliver, probably the best in the form factor (similar to revolve I would assume), but it feels a bit awkward to me with the heat distribution. With the direct tube the whole body is getting heat, even the MP got warm, it feels much better to me to handle with this heat distribution. I think I will be using the direct mostly.
For those asking about flavor, I am a flavor chaser but I also like my Dyna's even though I know I'm going to sacrifice quite a bit in taste there. Not so here, like I said the constant feedback from the indicator you can definitely dial in a low temp setting that I don't think anything else in this form factor can approach. If you completely cooled it back down between hits you could probably get a lot of flavor out of a bowl; if you keep the heat cycles going as I have you get good flavor the first 2-3 hits (remembering with the thermal capacity in the head each individual hit is much larger, like an armored cap), but the bottom half of the bowl will be soaking up heat throughout the cycles and you will get a more Dyna like roast at the end.
Other than one ZX bowl last night while T&J were hitting theirs, I have only been hitting Tempest. That's down to "newness" and wanting to get some time in for feedback, it will not replace my desktops. But I'm certain it will be a daily for me, I have always loved the 'Dyna' form factor, Tempest brings that form factor plus some good flavor.
I also like that it evens out the heat distribution through the piece; with the helix tube I get a fairly extreme heat distribution, the helix is doing such a good job cooling the whole top half of the body is cool, while the bottom half is hot. If you want cool vapor this will deliver, probably the best in the form factor (similar to revolve I would assume), but it feels a bit awkward to me with the heat distribution. With the direct tube the whole body is getting heat, even the MP got warm, it feels much better to me to handle with this heat distribution. I think I will be using the direct mostly.
For those asking about flavor, I am a flavor chaser but I also like my Dyna's even though I know I'm going to sacrifice quite a bit in taste there. Not so here, like I said the constant feedback from the indicator you can definitely dial in a low temp setting that I don't think anything else in this form factor can approach. If you completely cooled it back down between hits you could probably get a lot of flavor out of a bowl; if you keep the heat cycles going as I have you get good flavor the first 2-3 hits (remembering with the thermal capacity in the head each individual hit is much larger, like an armored cap), but the bottom half of the bowl will be soaking up heat throughout the cycles and you will get a more Dyna like roast at the end.
Other than one ZX bowl last night while T&J were hitting theirs, I have only been hitting Tempest. That's down to "newness" and wanting to get some time in for feedback, it will not replace my desktops. But I'm certain it will be a daily for me, I have always loved the 'Dyna' form factor, Tempest brings that form factor plus some good flavor.
I always have more than enough time to extract. Even on low temps. However a user suggested SIC balls would offer even more heat capacity. Nothing stopping anyone from giving them a go. I would find it overkill personally. But I would be really keen to read feedback from anyone who tried it.
BuddBuddly
Member
I just tried this and the same smell started to happen again. I've been using the 750 F setting and letting it go until it stops blinkingPulled it out and the silicone insert smells strongly of it. Almost a burning hair smell more than electrical.
The wand has no smell once I pulled that out. I decided to swap out the silicone sleeve for the O-rings that came with my SkullKandy insert as pictured below and will see if that fixes this.
shadymilkman
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Yeah I have my quote ready to go for 200 2mm SiC sintered balls.. it's why I asked what the volume of the ball chamber was. I thought about an even smaller diameter but I don't want too much draw resistance.
It's not my best tasting. I give that award to TM2. I also hold sticky Brick highly in taste. Tempest is up there with the best tasting vapes I've tried though. It tastes significantly better than Dynavap and Anvil.
I'm one of the lurkers who got one of the 15 that went out with the pre-sale. For reference, I have gotten all the MH products since they started, own way too many dynavap setups, tm2, crafty plus, and a Dani fusion.
Flavor concerns: I'm getting solid flavors (terp tongue inducing) when using the regular airport (open with fluttering) and NOT bypass.
Through water (MJ arsenal turret mini rig) I used the direct tube, no SCU, and the main air hole completely closed. This is where I struggled to get flavor. Will have to experiment more with that, but I know the tempest was mainly designed for native use.
Keeping in mind that everyone has different preferences, I think the taste is definitely there when using the right methods.
Flavor concerns: I'm getting solid flavors (terp tongue inducing) when using the regular airport (open with fluttering) and NOT bypass.
Through water (MJ arsenal turret mini rig) I used the direct tube, no SCU, and the main air hole completely closed. This is where I struggled to get flavor. Will have to experiment more with that, but I know the tempest was mainly designed for native use.
Keeping in mind that everyone has different preferences, I think the taste is definitely there when using the right methods.
garett
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How deep do you push the wand adapter in? Is the closed glass end even with the red silicone on the bottom, or a bit more in/out? I dont know if i have the best position, cause my material is always pretty dark at the top, rest could be reheated, but when i do this it tastes almost burnt. I did it with 320C until timeout.
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
Damn I like that glass, going to love the black, the form factor is awesome. Will have to be on the list on release that's for sure. Very pretty.
This is why I was asking questions about people experience's because I felt like more time needed to be spent to really dial it in, but "first impressions" are important so if there is ways that Brenyo / we can sort of dial in and really understand the different nuances and then communicate them to others as a sort of resource maybe we might be able to show people the different ways it can be used and what's good for what flavor, effects, duration of session, efficiency, how to RDL
the conduction element of those vapes can reduce the flavor (which is why I sometimes use conduction when something isn't quite right smell wise or taste wise (or if it is hard hash to soften
I have a small collection to compare against including the Anvil and a couple of different sorts of ball vapes; I'm really interested is how it compares to the flavor of the Freight Train, as that's probably the closest comparison in a way, its a very simple injector ball vape so if you use it (like Sneaky Pete does on the road) and set the Freight Train to about 280f and use a Jhook or Solo stem, and have low temp hits.
very true
the very first hit from a TM2 or a Freight Train Pro - are two of the more flavorful and aroma filled vapes I have in my collection
thats what its sounding like, that there is a learning curve in a way depending on what devices you have experience with
looking forwards to have tried the tempest and have something useful to add the the converstation
That's concerning... I haven't used it yet today but will see how it goes. Worst case we just found out we have defective wands.
One thing I started doing and haven't had any issues like that since was not heating it with the wand laid flat on the table. I think some of my material was falling from the bowl and sitting on the screen which got it a bit too roasty-toasty for me. I've since dialed the temp back to just shy of halfway between the 2nd and 3rd indicators for my happy place. I've heated horizontal or resting the wand down on top of the cap recently and not sure if that affects it or me getting more used to handling it.
I just tried this setup and it produced the best flavor so far:
Helix with SCU, top air slits fully open (haven't even tried any other way yet!), and the main air way completely closed. I was taking gentle puffs, and the air slits provided enough airflow and cooling!
One thing I will say about the tempest: the heat buildup throughout the whole unit is serious. You have to keep an eye on how hot it is, and with the helix the top is cool but the bottom half gets quite hot. It might not be the best device for sharing with friends who aren't used to these types of devices.
It reminds me of my TM2, but it's very unique too. You really are getting a ball vape in a dynavap form factor.
I've been crushing bowls with it and ending up with honey / mid brown abv. It seemed tapped out via the tempest, but for fun I packed it into a vong half bowl with an armored cap and got a medium hit off of it.
Helix with SCU, top air slits fully open (haven't even tried any other way yet!), and the main air way completely closed. I was taking gentle puffs, and the air slits provided enough airflow and cooling!
One thing I will say about the tempest: the heat buildup throughout the whole unit is serious. You have to keep an eye on how hot it is, and with the helix the top is cool but the bottom half gets quite hot. It might not be the best device for sharing with friends who aren't used to these types of devices.
It reminds me of my TM2, but it's very unique too. You really are getting a ball vape in a dynavap form factor.
I've been crushing bowls with it and ending up with honey / mid brown abv. It seemed tapped out via the tempest, but for fun I packed it into a vong half bowl with an armored cap and got a medium hit off of it.
Yeah I like the glass. At first I didn't think I would bother buying one. Mainly because it lacks the tactile nature of the TI. Doesn't have the carb rocker for example. Feels like it would easier to drop device when outdoors possibly. I thought I would stick to TI and pick up a wood sleeve to experiment with really long session, so the stem doesn't get hot at all.Damn I like that glass, going to love the black, the form factor is awesome. Will have to be on the list on release that's for sure. Very pretty.
This is why I was asking questions about people experience's because I felt like more time needed to be spent to really dial it in, but "first impressions" are important so if there is ways that Brenyo / we can sort of dial in and really understand the different nuances and then communicate them to others as a sort of resource maybe we might be able to show people the different ways it can be used and what's good for what flavor, effects, duration of session, efficiency, how to RDL
the conduction element of those vapes can reduce the flavor (which is why I sometimes use conduction when something isn't quite right smell wise or taste wise (or if it is hard hash to soften
I have a small collection to compare against including the Anvil and a couple of different sorts of ball vapes; I'm really interested is how it compares to the flavor of the Freight Train, as that's probably the closest comparison in a way, its a very simple injector ball vape so if you use it (like Sneaky Pete does on the road) and set the Freight Train to about 280f and use a Jhook or Solo stem, and have low temp hits.
very true
the very first hit from a TM2 or a Freight Train Pro - are two of the more flavorful and aroma filled vapes I have in my collection
thats what its sounding like, that there is a learning curve in a way depending on what devices you have experience with
looking forwards to have tried the tempest and have something useful to add the the converstation
But I can see another use case after today. My experiment with low temp hits has me feeling really giddy to be honest. It was awesome. Being able to take out the SCU, and put on a glass sleeve for low temp hits is the halfway point between TI native and all glass J-hook use. Lovely experience. I'm going to pick up all 3 stem types at some point.
I agree the black smoked glass will be real nice.
Yeah agree on learning curve. For example I saw criticism of the airflow. If stem and tip airflow options are being used together, it gives the device a massive range of airflow choice, from open to closed. If anyone is unsatisfied after learning how to set it, I would be very interested in what they are comparing Tempest to. I also made mistake early of packing the bowl too much which can affect airflow negatively but in different ways depending on setting. If too packed, you can feel like airflow is high, yet not enough air is going through the herb. It's a vape with a significant range of options that requires getting to know the device imo. I've been able to manipulate my experience in very different ways so far. It can almost feel like an entirely different vape each day depending on what you are doing with it.
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
I am always amused at the TM2 being the comparison, its just personal taste, I don't like battery portables but the Mighty+, Solo 2 and TM2are the only battery powered portables I still have on my shelf
<3
Vapman with the "station" was one of them
these "tweaks" are the sort of thing that new users need
Received my Tempest on Wednesday and have been putting it through its paces. It’s a lot lighter than I expected, especially compared to the Anvil, and it’s beautiful! I got the green/purple color. The heat retention on this is great, can comfortably puff on it for a couple mins before it’s cooled down. Have tried flower and twax bowls, the flavor is great! Still figuring out my perfect airflow configuration, but prefer the air intake slits to be at half.
I tried something different today, I placed the thermal matrix in the wand by itself at 500f until the time out timer. While it was heating I packed the bowl then attached it after the wand timed out. I put a magnet under the wand adapter glass to help it screw in a bit then took it out of the wand and screwed it secure with the magnet. Got one of the tastiest hits yet!
Also I haven’t noticed any weird smell coming from the wand.
I tried something different today, I placed the thermal matrix in the wand by itself at 500f until the time out timer. While it was heating I packed the bowl then attached it after the wand timed out. I put a magnet under the wand adapter glass to help it screw in a bit then took it out of the wand and screwed it secure with the magnet. Got one of the tastiest hits yet!
Also I haven’t noticed any weird smell coming from the wand.
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BuddBuddly
Member
I wonder if the wand is getting hotter than it should or what. . .That's concerning... I haven't used it yet today but will see how it goes. Worst case we just found out we have defective wands.
One thing I started doing and haven't had any issues like that since was not heating it with the wand laid flat on the table. I think some of my material was falling from the bowl and sitting on the screen which got it a bit too roasty-toasty for me. I've since dialed the temp back to just shy of halfway between the 2nd and 3rd indicators for my happy place. I've heated horizontal or resting the wand down on top of the cap recently and not sure if that affects it or me getting more used to handling it.
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
I think it would be awesome and this thread is sort of the starting point, us all figuring out the basics, documenting it and videoing, discussing and dialing in techniques...
Shorner
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It would be nice to be able to buy the thing first
VapingYogi
Pranayama; of a sort.
yeah, i'm getting ahead of myselfIt would be nice to be able to buy the thing first
kokolokokolokon
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Did you try a dani on the one? If the dani doesn’t heat the wand more that it should…then the tempest neither
