Discontinued The Sublimator

[pakalolo]

If you want to be accurate with your heat dial try using a kill-a-watt.

http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372070860&sr=8-1&keywords=Kill a watt

Instead of using a dial position you can use watts. This is much more accurate then trying to find the same spot on the dial.

Why didn't I think of that? Brilliant!

I have a similar device (Hampton Energy Monitor) and I just tried using it. The interesting thing I learned was that the first half of the dial didn't show any watts at all. The range doesn't look linear either. It seems much more sensitive as you near the top end, which explains SliM's problems trying to hit a point just below combustion. This assumes that mine is typical, of course.

 

[jambandphan03]

So maybe a better, more accurate power dial would improve the experience for you SLIM. I'm using the marks I made the first day, and not sure if I should have let it heat up at a higher temp, then dialed it down, or if the dial is really just not very accurate because this morning, I let it heat from cold, set to my markings for more than 20 mins, and I had to move the dial slightly hotter to get the milky hits to start up.

 

[b0]

Thanks everyone for your answers guys! It seems like this really is one of the top vapes right now I can't afford one right now, but will continue reading your reviews for sure. Congrats for the nice product you're selling Enrico, if the heavyweights of the forum are happy with it, it must be good!

 

[jambandphan03]

just looking around online at external lamp dimmers... there are some digital ones out there, and some other versions of manual switches...

 

[Tweak]

I wonder if something like this would work:



Not sure how it regulates AC current though.

It's strange that the dial isn't linear. May I ask how many Watts is the Sub eating up @ peak settings?

 

[jambandphan03]

45w is what it's rated at.

 

[satyrday]

As I've reported before I think the head component of the head/body ratio is higher with the Sub, but that is probably just because of how much more fucked up in the head I am when using this thing. I wouldn't say the body is weak however. In fact I get so blown I'm not even sure what is head and what is body probably half the time. Hard to be the most critical thinker when using this handy little device.

I still say it's a cleaner high as far as lingering effects although last night I got two good rips that finally landed me in coughing territory and lasted much longer than the two hours I had been getting.

Jambandphan is right about the warmup time if you don't max it first. I find it's too weak if you set it on say 40-50% and just wait 20 minutes. But it can also be too hot if you max it for 30 minutes and then turn it down for only 10 minutes. The high thermal mass takes quite awhile to both heat up and cool down. Really need a thermostat.

I like Elmonuzz's kill-a-watt idea. I still haven't found a digital plugin lamp dimmer, so this will hopefully help for now.

 

[Tweek]

Budder and herb at the same time is fucking amazing. I feels so damn good right now...damn!

 

[goatgobaahh]

Instead of dropping more money for dials and new cords and killa watts this and lamp dimmers that (I feel like i'd burn my house down trying any one of these).

Will future versions of the Adapt-a-bong have markings on the dial? Or dare I say digital display?

Personally I dont care if its 3-4 dots on the dial like the MFLB power adapter. Just something so I wouldn't have to spend extra money after already spending $500.

Note: This is not a post bashing the sub(as I cant wait to get my hands on one), its simply a question I haven't seen answered yet and concern for my pathetically small paychecks

 

[satyrday]

^Thermostat would be best due to the heavy thermal mass on this beast. The dial is only accurate if you give it a good long time to come to that setting, although markings would be nice.

 

[smokum]

I wonder if something like this would work:

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Not sure how it regulates AC current though.

It's strange that the dial isn't linear. May I ask how many Watts is the Sub eating up @ peak settings?

Those only have 3 specific settings for variable (low-med-hi), or just ON (unfortunately)

just looking around online at external lamp dimmers... there are some digital ones out there, and some other versions of manual switches...

All the lamp dimmers I've seen can handle the specs of the sub, but then its the same thing really... no specific volt/watt/amp readings, only a slide or digital leds. *same with fan stats.

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An actual thermostat won't be of any use as when it reaches temp... it shuts off.


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EDIT to add:

This is what I've found (so far) to modify the controller, but as I said, it's pricey:

http://www.galco.com/buy/Payne-Engineering/18TBP-1-5


And this:

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/variac-variable-ac-ps05kva.html


OR this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Variac-Outp...193?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25683b8951

All of which would allow a 0-130v variable output.


There 'has' to be something out there 'more' suitable size wise and within a reasonable dollar amount that would alleviate the shortfall of a more accurate selection of voltage (and in turn heat), as well as getting an appropriate grounded cord set up in place. I just haven't managed to find it 'yet'

 

[satyrday]

All the lamp dimmers I've seen can handle the specs of the sub, but then its the same thing really... no specific volt/watt/amp readings, only a slide or digital leds. *same with fan stats.

But a good digital one would allow you to save pre-set levels that you want to return to.

An actual thermostat won't be of any use as when it reaches temp... it shuts off.

And then turns back on when the temp drops. That's what a thermostat does - it keeps the temp at a steady state. It may not keep it on the dot because of the thermal mass, but it would keep it in a fairly tight range I bet.

 

[Tweak]

Those only have 3 specific settings for variable (low-med-hi), or just ON (unfortunately)

According to one of the reviews:

"The speed control has infinite speed settings; it is a smooth control knob that adds more power as you turn the knob. It is not a 3 click setting as the colors on the face could imply."

And I guess I was wrong about the Sub, the box that comes with it is a AC to DC power supply with voltage regulation, so I'm not even sure any of these suggestions would be a good idea.

 

[Slightly Medicated]

Removing the atomizer or running it cold is using the Sub against its design principles. Your experience seems to be the exact opposite of every report we have received from Sub owners. Maybe it is your strains, using a Sativa blend and expecting Indica results?

I have tried, The White, Norwegian Kush, Cheesequake, Bubblegum, Pineapple, Grand Daddy Purple, Harlequin, Raskals OG, and some Pre 98 Bubba. They all fall more towards the cerebral effects and less body then I am used to. I am very scensitive to any changes in the type of medicated state I am feeling. I try and treat pain, OCD and anxiety. This requires a very percice balance of cereberal and body feelings. When that is changed it throws everything off for me... even if you change it a little.

With my OCD and anxiety I like a little cerebral feeling, but only a little. The sedation and minor cerebral feeling helps me break patterns and not worry so much. When I start to increase that cerebral it exacerbates the issue. That is the major problem I tend to deal with... for example I can't use the Pinnacle because it does not get hot enough for my needs. So any minor increase in cerebral feeling I tend to notice much more.

Most people will be fine with whatever high they get off the device. Most people will be able fine tune to the Sublimator to get what they need. I suspect there will only be a handful of people who don't like the medical effect this device is giving. I have a friend in a very similar situation/needs and he was not impressed, on the other hand his wife enjoyed it more and the difference was not major enough to bother her.

I really am at a loss... I have tried pretty much every setting on the device and lots of different strains. I have not gone lower then 50% power on the dial... I figured it would just make things more cerebral. I can't get the relief I personally need when this device is used as intended. Personally, I look for a very specific type of effect when I medicate, and I just can't get it. Keep in mind most devices don't really work for me. There are probably two portables and three desktop units total that really work for my needs.

To give you insight... I tried the portable that MiVape that was supposed to come to market. I broke a rule which was I did not ask about the strain inside the unit. It was a Sativa strain, and to boot the device was running cool... so it was producing quite low temp vapor. Well I had about three puffs of almost invisible vapor. After about 10 minutes or so I was starting to freak out inside. I thought I was getting sick or something because I was feeling panicked and my heart was racing. I had a little panic attack inside... I went so far as to tell the people I was with that I think I am getting sick all of a sudden. Then I realized it was probably the vaporizer I just tried. That little bit was enough to make me uncomfortable. After about an hour I was back to normal and fine. Most people would have been fine from that... actually I think Stu even tried the device that day and was fine. For me though I guess I am just very sensitive to the changes I feel...

I also suffered a brain injury as a kid... who knows that could have something to do with the way I process my medicated state. I just know from a personal level it is not working for my needs, which is sad because I was hoping to find something durable that would allow me greater freedom to travel. I have not quite given up though. I am getting manageable results when I use just the bowl portion from cold.

So as you can see I am probably a very unique case. I imagine most people will enjoy the Sublimator.

Also, for those looking for a decent dimmer, this could be a good option: http://www.amazon.com/Heath-SL-6008-WH-A-Wireless-Command-Control/dp/B000QDLN20/ref=sr_1_92?ie=UTF8&qid=1372101943&sr=8-92&keywords=dimmer+plug

 

[smokum]

According to one of the reviews:

"The speed control has infinite speed settings; it is a smooth control knob that adds more power as you turn the knob. It is not a 3 click setting as the colors on the face could imply."

And I guess I was wrong about the Sub, the box that comes with it is a AC to DC power supply with voltage regulation, so I'm not even sure any of these suggestions would be a good idea.

Hmmm... I had looked at the same image listed in one of the electronic supply sites and they had said it was only 3 definite variable settings. But if its so, it should work (at least it would be easier to put markings on for preferred settings I suppose).

Where/how did you find it's an AC->DC supply regulator ? If 'thats' true, then the lesser $ and size options out in the market are huge ! I wanted to pull the controller apart, but want to at least wait until I had my canna-buddies meet over the next couple days

 

[SSVUN~YAH]

Those only have 3 specific settings for variable (low-med-hi), or just ON (unfortunately)
All the lamp dimmers I've seen can handle the specs of the sub, but then its the same thing really... no specific volt/watt/amp readings, only a slide or digital leds. *same with fan stats.
---
An actual thermostat won't be of any use as when it reaches temp... it shuts off.
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EDIT to add:
This is what I've found (so far) to modify the controller, but as I said, it's pricey:
http://www.galco.com/buy/Payne-Engineering/18TBP-1-5
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/variac-variable-ac-ps05kva.html
OR this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Variac-Outp...193?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25683b8951
All of which would allow a 0-130v variable output.
There 'has' to be something out there 'more' suitable size wise and within a reasonable dollar amount that would alleviate the shortfall of a more accurate selection of voltage (and in turn heat), as well as getting an appropriate grounded cord set up in place. I just haven't managed to find it 'yet'

Cool stuff, nice research smokum reminds me of the electric train transformers I collected as a kid!

 

[b0]

With my OCD and anxiety I like a little cerebral feeling, but only a little. The sedation and minor cerebral feeling helps me break patterns and not worry so much. When I start to increase that cerebral it exacerbates the issue. That is the major problem I tend to deal with... for example I can't use the Pinnacle because it does not get hot enough for my needs. So any minor increase in cerebral feeling I tend to notice much more.

...

To give you insight... I tried the portable that MiVape that was supposed to come to market. I broke a rule which was I did not ask about the strain inside the unit. It was a Sativa strain, and to boot the device was running cool... so it was producing quite low temp vapor. Well I had about three puffs of almost invisible vapor. After about 10 minutes or so I was starting to freak out inside. I thought I was getting sick or something because I was feeling panicked and my heart was racing. I had a little panic attack inside... I went so far as to tell the people I was with that I think I am getting sick all of a sudden. Then I realized it was probably the vaporizer I just tried. That little bit was enough to make me uncomfortable. After about an hour I was back to normal and fine. Most people would have been fine from that... actually I think Stu even tried the device that day and was fine. For me though I guess I am just very sensitive to the changes I feel...

Thanks for your answer SliM. I also have anxiety problems and when I medicate I try to avoid strong cerebral high, like you. The same you related with the MiVape has happened to me and I know how bad it feels trying to medicate to be better and end with a panic attack because of the anxiety. That's why I always avoid pure sativas.

I think this vape is not for us, but like you said, I'm sure usual users will enjoy this and for sure is one of the best out there right now.

 

[Tweek]

I suffer from anxiety and depression...works for me. As the disease has proven to me time and again, everyone has to find their own routine that works for them. We are not all the same.

 

[pakalolo]

It's strange that the dial isn't linear. May I ask how many Watts is the Sub eating up @ peak settings?

My monitor says the Sub is drawing 49W at peak setting.

And I guess I was wrong about the Sub, the box that comes with it is a AC to DC power supply with voltage regulation, so I'm not even sure any of these suggestions would be a good idea.

There is no power supply, it uses AC.

Where/how did you find it's an AC->DC supply regulator ? If 'thats' true, then the lesser $ and size options out in the market are huge ! I wanted to pull the controller apart, but want to at least wait until I had my canna-buddies meet over the next couple days

There is no controller. It's just a simple lamp dimmer switch with a logarithmic scale rather than linear, which is common in dimmers.

 

[mmafighterthe25]

so if i buy the apollo, that comes with everything i need. how does the heating element plug into to get hot. i saw some kind of box but in pictures they dont show it with apollo. i have a 14mm 9mm thick illadelph, that would work with it right.

 

[pakalolo]

so if i buy the apollo, that comes with everything i need. how does the heating element plug into to get hot. i saw some kind of box but in pictures they dont show it with apollo. i have a 14mm 9mm thick illadelph, that would work with it right.

As I just said, it uses a simple lamp cord and dimmer switch. You simply plug it into the wall.

 

[mmafighterthe25]

As I just said, it uses a simple lamp cord and dimmer switch. You simply plug it into the wall.

i was just wondering if the apollo adapt a bong comes with everything you need. they have it up on planetvape.com

 

[pakalolo]

i was just wondering if the apollo adapt a bong comes with everything you need. they have it up on planetvape.com

You'll need your own bong and stash.

 

[mmafighterthe25]

You'll need your own bong and stash.

sweet all i wanted to know brotha, cause on website they didnt show what the apollo plugs into just a cord an no plug on end.

 

[PlanetHaze]

Wish we knew how to adjust it perfect for SliM, sounds like vapes that give you trouble are all low temp ie. no CBDs which is what is so baffling as the Sub can hit the full heat range including combustion if required (salvia).

Anyone considering modifying or over riding the Subs in line power controller should be very cautious. The warranty on your Sub will of coarse be over and you will be circumventing built in safety features. The simple looking in line power controller acts as a thermal break should anything go wrong further down the line, it also is modified to limit power output to the Apollo. Without this limited power output to the Apollo, you will be at high risk to over heat your Sub causing irreversible damage as well as a serious safety risk.

The kill-a-watt looks like a great idea for those who need exact digital read out of their dialed in power setting. Based on our experience with the Sub, IOO, the kill-a-watt, numbers on the dial or pre printed markings on the dial are not needed, here is why.

Everyone has their own preferred sweet spot, the controller is analogue, so variances between units are possible, 8 on one will be different from 8 on another. By having no pre defined markings, you put your own at your exact sweet spot, we used a fine black Sharpie marker and once we found the sweet spot on our Sub, we drew a line on the dial and the housing. Now every time we turn it on, we just line up the two lines and perfection. This is a lot easier and more accurate than trying to line up a mark between two pre defined numbers on the dial which may or may not line up to be able to reproduce consistently.

In the instructions we provide with each Sub, we put "A small turn of the power wheel makes a big difference in temperature once you are in the 75% to 100% power range. Make small incremental power changes and wait about 10 minutes for the Sublimator to stabilize at your new temperature." Without having exact lines to line up, it will be difficult to hit your sweet spot every time. We know that drawing lines on a unit costing 500.00+ is kind of rudimentary, but sometimes the simplest solutions work best.

We will post a picture of our control dial and the marking we did on ours.
PV