Discontinued The Sublimator

[Razor]

Whoa... full of carcinogens?? That would suck.. I would think since it is essentially vaporized and passed through and atomized that it would be virtually carcinogen free not including the calcified stuff you get if you don't use proper care and clean regularly. Vaporizing itself has two carcinogens depending on how high you vape of course. One is benzene and something else.

That being said, if you don't crank up the unit, you should be able to avoid vaporizing those specific carcinogens as well. I could be horribly wrong as I have no degree in the subject. Only stuff I've read over the years on the net that may not be true but I'm sure the answer is on the forum somewhere.

Anyone else care to chime in more knowledgeable?

 

[Vapodudule]

Well that is a fair hypothesis making a parralel with an overcooked material in a pan. would you trust 10+ hours steak cooked to eat yourself?

Of course this is to be demonstrated objectively.

 

[Razor]

I have done dabs from vaporizers with no issues. I don't understand why you think the vaporization process produces any carcinogens in the byproduct. I wasn't talking about dabbing the stuff in the atomized that calcifies from not cleaning properly, but the actual sublimate which is the by product of the device dripped from the atomizer. One of its claims is the 10:1 ratio of sublimate reclaim to actual material. This is a planned function of this device.

I believe we're talking about two different things here. I'm talking about what freely drops from the atomizer. Not what's in between it and the downstream that needs to be cleaned off. If you are talking about that specific area that Enrico has specified on video should be cleaned every other if not every day to keep it from becoming glued together in the threads, then I fullheartedly agree not to dab that.

I would probably stay away from anything on the atomizer itself dab wise, but i have not heard anything about carcinogens in the sublimate dripped freely from it during use. In fact, that was a huge part of what drew me and I'm willing to bet 50 bucks, most of everyone else to the sub. To save material and have awesome solventless honey oil. Other than to medicate with herb.

I would also like to point out that PV's first post on the thread says that you can vape the sublimate. It does not make any health claims, but in my experience, if PV has any concerns about a product causing health issues with intended use, they usually take it down fast.


If you could find something to the contrary about the carcinogens in the byproduct, please let me know as this would definitely give me a new perspective on the product as I'm sure it would everyone else as well.

Not steak, but I do have a roast going that's been in for a while.

 

[Vapodudule]

Hi there @Razor ,

SOrry to have cause distrurbance but my purpose is to aim at cleaning the device very often.

The sublimate which drips the atomizer crawled through the wall of the atomizer potentially covered by overcooked sh*t if you do not clean your atomizer enough.

The sublimate is the by-product of your consumption: if your are dabbing, pretty few things will stick to the walls to be overcooked.

My case is no dabbing, flower, hashes, QWET(almost no dabbing) etc..IME sulimate can be scraped of the wall of atomizer regularly to avoid overcooked sh*t in it. I would bet few bucks in the components of overcooked particles to be carcinogens but hey, that's gamble i recognize it.

The safest method i see is to regularly plunge the atomizer in ISO/Ethanol for reclaim w/ filtering and clean it vigourously to avoid any to many overcooked wall matters in your sublimate.
GOTO 0

 

[Razor]

My intention is to keep a jar of everclear handy to keep the arty clear between usages. I agree that the baked in calcified stuff should not be put anywhere near your mouth, but the stuff that drips out should not be contaminated. It was first vaporized and quickly heated (and reheated when its condensed?). As long as its not going to the point of combustion (light brown material when taken from the arty) then it should be clean.

I see what you're meaning though a little better. I definitely will be cleaning it at the end of every days usage. Only takes a few seconds to keep it sparkly.

Another question about the sublimate. Since it breaks down faster than normal Bho, would ''winterizing'' (devolving all of it in everclear and then evaporating it off), cause it to have a longer shelf life as well?

Update : sub comes in tomorrow right on time. PV gave me 3 day shipping. Thanks PV!

 

[jambandphan03]

I wouldn't mind a second atomizer around so I can swap a clean for dirty, but damn they are a bit too expensive to justify buying a second unless I do something to damage my first one beyond use or something. I guess I am more cheap than lazy I just unscrew the top of my atomizer and torch clean it, then rinse that off with hot tap and a wire brush. Seems to work fine.

 

[Razor]

Yeah. If my atomizer breaks. It'll be a while before I'll get a new one lol. Those prices are kinda up there, but I can understand. Newer product, supply and demand. Hopefully the price will come down someday.

 

[PlanetHaze]

I made this inquiry not too long ago, and I was told:

If you bought it direct from sublimator, then it gets repaired by them.

If you bought it from a retailer, then it has to go back to that retailer BUT...

If your retailer is not planet vape, it ultimately still has to go to planet vape for warranty service. But it seems to be a more convoluted process where it needs to be returned to your retailer first, then they would have to contact planet vape (not sublimator) for further instructions.

Perhaps @PlanetVape could let us know if this is still the advised procedure.

Good luck !

We don't normally do warranty service for products not purchased from us. Every retailer that sells Sublimators is supposed to support their customers by exchanging any defective items (to save the customer time and cost) and then sending in to Sublimator directly, if they don't then we have stepped up to help out in those unfortunate situations.

I wont support planet vape , my IP address has been banned since trying to write a negative product review there. If that's how they want to do business then fine, they wont get a penny from me because that's a really shady way of doing business. How do I know my IP is banned? Well, pv works at all my friends houses. It works on my cell phone, it doesn't work when cell phone is connected to wifi and it hasn't worked on my computer at home since the day I tried to send in a bad review (months ago).

This is absolutely false neogitus. We don't even have the ability to block ip addresses if we wanted to. We publish all reviews good or bad as long as it is does not contain offensive language and is actually about the product being reviewed. Not sure why our site does not load from your home, but it is not due to a blocked ip address that is for sure.

It tastes like the materials you putted in you device priorly. My sublimate does not taste good at all because i do not do dab, just like fried stuff but is potent and prolly full of carcinogens. Experiment and tell us.

Carcinogens?, whoa what are you basing that on? The downstem that collects the sublimate never reaches anywhere close to combustion temps, the sublimate is normally a beautiful dark red that tastes like the strain that was used to create it. The real beauty of it is that it is air extracted, no solvents, no chemicals needed making it the most carcinogen free extract that we know of, please correct us if we are mistaken.

Update : sub comes in tomorrow right on time. PV gave me 3 day shipping. Thanks PV!

Enjoy your Sublimator Razor, thanks for your support.
PV

 

[Razor]

My adapt a sub is now in! Cleaning it right now and doing initial burn off. Can't wait. The only complaint I can even think about is that it only came with two instead of 5 screens as it says on the PV website, but I could really care less about that.

Mine does not have a black handle. Is that something optional? I'm assuming it won't get too hot to touch or they wouldn't of made the handle metal lol but figured I would ask while the question is on my mind.

Update: ok. Before I forget what and why I am writing what I am writing.
My volcano is now for visitor use only. The sub is my number one from now on. More medication from one hit than from 3 oversized volcano bags.

Enrico! Holy shit! Thank you!

@PlanetVape, thank you for your incredibly fast shipping!

If anyone needs me, i'll be the guy drooling in the corner in about 3 more minutes.

 

[CG420]

Hi @PlanetVape,

My Sublimator Adapt A Bong Kit 1.0 is currently maxing out at 38 to 40 watts. I believe I still have warranty for another year as I bought the kit last year around September (two year warranty was stated in original purchase.) Can I send my Apollo in for repair? I feel like I have been wasting wax. The temp doesn't get hot enough and it seems like wattage goes lower as I try to dab more. I'm scared it will go lower in which case leaves my flowers not thoroughly vaporized. I have the 30 min timer edition btw.

 

[Vapodudule]

Well @PlanetVape i clearly exposed my point of view about sublimate in above posts. the one you quote is followed by others.

I agree that sublimate is an easy and seducing way of reclaiming/collecting resin with no solvent and it is pleasant to see accumalting onto hot walls.

I really like also the process to put cotton or SS mesh balls from aromapads to collect resin on the vapor path.

"full of carcinogens" is a bad shortcut hypothesis to express the need of regular cleanning of the device to avoid accumulation of any overcooked material in it. would you consider eating or rubbing your meals with 10hours+ dry fried vegetables? Because sublimate is the resin crawling through the walls.

IMHO and to sum up sublimate is a really easy and powerfull way to reclaim efficiently your consumption not an extraction process on its own. At one point you need to stop the reclaiming process to clean the device in order to avoid overcooked matters (even if T<230°C).

Cheers.

 

[Razor]

You know... regular cleaning has always been emphasized.. I'm not really sure what brought it up in the first place really.

 

[neogitus]

I got my sublimator on friday late in the day it was like a godsend to get it before a really long weekend. If i hadn't gotten it on friday I'd honestly probably just be receiving it now.

Now I want to do a good detailed review and I will asap by editing this post after I am not so sick but some point form for now:

-yes it's a great vape, better than any I've used so far (eq, solo, volcano , pax , that weird pipe vape thing)
-I haven't really noticed myself smoking less weed, I already have almost an ounce of avb.
- haven't noticed it gets you any higher than another vape, could be my tolerance though. I can take 10 hits in a row off the sublimator and still not be as high as I want to be.

- haven't noticed it is any less harsh than a vape, it just takes less hits to get the average person high. I still mind myself coughing up a lung on some of the lower temperatures , and still have headaches all day from coughing so much (bought the sub for this very reason , was coughing to much with bong.)

- every hit tastes great. With other vaporizers that take 5-10 minutes to clear a packed bowl, so by the end of it after all the terps have evaporated it just tastes like burnt popcorn. With the sub, you get that tasty first hit , every hit which is pretty nice.

overall it is a great vape but IMO not worth the arm and a leg it costs unless you smoke multiple times a day. I wouldn't see the point of anyone with a low tolerance having one of these things as other, cheaper vapes are available that will get them plenty high for a fraction of the price.

like I said I love the vape , I don't think I'll be needing one for a long time , but there needs to be more information on this thing online, the only reason I wanted to switch from smoking my arizer solo through my bong was because the coughing. and the problem still persists.

I will write a more detailed review later edited in this post.

 

[grokit]

@neogitus; nice review, thanks for posting it.

Which model did you get, and have you tried subbing through water? I find that the sub's dry vapor is extremely smooth through their launchtube, for dry vapor it's the smoothest I've had. But I find that water smooths it out much more, the main reason I stick with dry is for conservation/efficiency. With water I can double or even triple the size of my one-hit load, and milk my biggest bong with ease.

 

[Razor]

I put water in my glass after I got an asscatcher to catch the sublimate. Have you tried rubbing some of it on your gums? Makes pain go away for a few hours. A tiny bit of water. Even one ice cube helps 100% if you're still coughing.

When I used the volcano, it would take about 2 full bowls to get me medicated. A full bowl in a volcano is about 6 oversized bags. With this, I'm medicated at two bowls at low temp. The biggest reason I switched was for the recycling benefit of the sublimate. Its potent and builds at a good pace. I believe the 10:1 reclaim ratio.

 

[neogitus]

I put water in my glass after I got an asscatcher to catch the sublimate. Have you tried rubbing some of it on your gums? Makes pain go away for a few hours. A tiny bit of water. Even one ice cube helps 100% if you're still coughing.

When I used the volcano, it would take about 2 full bowls to get me medicated. A full bowl in a volcano is about 6 oversized bags. With this, I'm medicated at two bowls at low temp. The biggest reason I switched was for the recycling benefit of the sublimate. Its potent and builds at a good pace. I believe the 10:1 reclaim ratio.

I have the titanium dabmaster and I smoke it through a bong I already own and was basically collecting dust. I was originally smoking it dry because that's how everyone was doing it in the videos but after I started coughing like I used to from my solo+bong I added water. That worked temporarily now I am back to coughing from every hit, and I try to load as small as possible most the time ( I have a tendency to shovel piles into bowls without noticing.) and still cough cough cough. These headaches from what I think is the violent coughing have lasted weeks at a time and are getting really annoying and are mostly in the back on my head on one side.

On the other hand, I am hearing lots of good things about the sublimate/avb being really useful. Pretty cool you can put avb in coco oil and make some sort of mild pain relieving cream or rub some sublimate on your gums for relief. Can't wait till I figure out all the ins and outs with this thing. Aside from the coughing I am pretty happy.

 

[SubbedUpOnStrawbs]

Hello everyone,

First time posting on a forum about my medical vaping use, I live here in AU and its a taboo (most people think we are low life junkies). After reading on here, seems like a place were we all understand eachother .

I have had a sublimator for about 2 years now, very happy, use nothing else.

I just have abit of advice, I was reading through most of the thread, Searching key topics etc.

Cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the atomizer, Enrico enforces it for a reason. Sublimation will not occur if the atomizer has old debris/oil caked/baked onto the side, this will happen if you do not clean it for a while, even if you scrap off the old oil/debris this will work for cleaning, but eventually, it will build up to a very dark brown (almost black) if you run on high heat. This will cause the diameter of the atomizer to decrease, which in turn will take longer to heat up the atomizer, and will take you forever to clean it properly.
Took me about 45 mins with a hand steamer, spray oven cleaner, Tea tree/ eucalyptus oil and a small brush to clean out the atomizer like it was brand new, had to soak it, and then get a layer out with the high pressure steam gun, and then run the brush through it with some tea/euco oil, then repeat the process, very tiring and daunting, and smelly.

Before typing this message up had a 0.1g hit , and took me forever to type this up

I noticed with the same harvested meds, the high definately feels different, i could run it at a much lower heat setting now.

Another note, Subbing with water and with out, creates a different high in my opinion, I find out if i go between water and non water, i use way less meds. I also noticed at the intensity at which you take a high in changes the way meds affect you, E.g if i had been subbing waterless with a high suction intensity and then go to water on my next session, with a lower intensity suction rate (inhaling speed), i just try to feel the vapor in my lungs which in turn creates a lower suction, but if i focus on just sucking the vapor (higher suction) i can hold the vapor in for longer. Also noticed the above can change the way cough and how much you cough.


Also if this is all wrong, i do apologize im extremly medicated and on the way for some more. Happy subbin to all, cheers.

 

[hassan]

Hello everyone,

First time posting on a forum about my medical vaping use, I live here in AU and its a taboo (most people think we are low life junkies). After reading on here, seems like a place were we all understand eachother .

I have had a sublimator for about 2 years now, very happy, use nothing else.

I just have abit of advice, I was reading through most of the thread, Searching key topics etc.

Cleaning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the atomizer, Enrico enforces it for a reason. Sublimation will not occur if the atomizer has old debris/oil caked/baked onto the side, this will happen if you do not clean it for a while, even if you scrap off the old oil/debris this will work for cleaning, but eventually, it will build up to a very dark brown (almost black) if you run on high heat. This will cause the diameter of the atomizer to decrease, which in turn will take longer to heat up the atomizer, and will take you forever to clean it properly.
Took me about 45 mins with a hand steamer, spray oven cleaner, Tea tree/ eucalyptus oil and a small brush to clean out the atomizer like it was brand new, had to soak it, and then get a layer out with the high pressure steam gun, and then run the brush through it with some tea/euco oil, then repeat the process, very tiring and daunting, and smelly.

Before typing this message up had a 0.1g hit , and took me forever to type this up

I noticed with the same harvested meds, the high definately feels different, i could run it at a much lower heat setting now.

Another note, Subbing with water and with out, creates a different high in my opinion, I find out if i go between water and non water, i use way less meds. I also noticed at the intensity at which you take a high in changes the way meds affect you, E.g if i had been subbing waterless with a high suction intensity and then go to water on my next session, with a lower intensity suction rate (inhaling speed), i just try to feel the vapor in my lungs which in turn creates a lower suction, but if i focus on just sucking the vapor (higher suction) i can hold the vapor in for longer. Also noticed the above can change the way cough and how much you cough.


Also if this is all wrong, i do apologize im extremly medicated and on the way for some more. Happy subbin to all, cheers.

Interesting how you've had the Sublimator for two years when it was only made available just over a year ago.

 

[SubbedUpOnStrawbs]

Interesting how you've had the Sublimator for two years when it was only made available just over a year ago.

My perception time is very warped, i thought it was 2 years lol, well its been well over a year now.

Sincere apologies, i did not mean to deceive in any way.

Went from a Vapolution to a Budda, and now the sub, i still use Dabudda sometimes, but i think i have been vaping for well over 2 years now, I am seriously very bad with dates, for my last birthday i didnt realize it was my birthday until a family member pointed it out.

 

[Razor]

I have the titanium dabmaster and I smoke it through a bong I already own and was basically collecting dust. I was originally smoking it dry because that's how everyone was doing it in the videos but after I started coughing like I used to from my solo+bong I added water. That worked temporarily now I am back to coughing from every hit, and I try to load as small as possible most the time ( I have a tendency to shovel piles into bowls without noticing.) and still cough cough cough. These headaches from what I think is the violent coughing have lasted weeks at a time and are getting really annoying and are mostly in the back on my head on one side.

On the other hand, I am hearing lots of good things about the sublimate/avb being really useful. Pretty cool you can put avb in coco oil and make some sort of mild pain relieving cream or rub some sublimate on your gums for relief. Can't wait till I figure out all the ins and outs with this thing. Aside from the coughing I am pretty happy.

Have you had any falls or concussions in the past? I know guys that have head injuries and whenever they try to strain the muscles in their neck like them muscles used in coughing caused headaches and temporary pain radiating from the neck into the parts you described.
Its also possible that you strained a muscle coughing causing the pain. Either way I would consult a doc. When it comes to the head heart or dong, i'm singing the docs song.

 

[SubbedUpOnStrawbs]

I agree with Razor on this, I have done the exact same thing, and i have had multiple head injuries during my life time.

neogitus : Try sucking in at a higher intensity to your normall bong pull rate (let the cloud build up in the chamber), dont suck in just yet, evacuate all the air from your lungs, then take the vapor all the way in, Also try this standing up and sitting down, everyone physiology is different, this might work for you, does not hurt to try.

 

[Razor]

Just found a extremely fast and extremely effective way to clean the bottom part of the atomizer on top where the gunk all is. Take a non stick slick pad and rub it across very fast while still hot. It comes off completely like you just scrubbed the hell out of it but only take no time.

 

[smokum]

Curious if anyone has yet, and if it was worth the purchase ?

 

[Puffers]

I have been eyeing the sub for a while but the kits seem pretty expensive for what they are.... Any reason not to just buy the heater and atomizer then wire up my own controller. Considering the sub controller is over $260 by itself that should save a good chunk of change...

 

[50yrssmoking]

I designed my avatar to resemble the various complexities of my historical contraptions for smoking.

I have used many devices over the years to consume products. I have enough glass pipes, bowls and vaporizers to stock a small store. On the vape front: Digital Volcano, Da Vinci, Mi Vape 2 with in-line perc (love it), Pax (hate it and gave it away), Pinnacle w/ bubbler, several more and last but not least the RooR version of the Sublimator. Based on reading the last 10 pages of this blog I have decided to place my order with Planet Vape.

For my first post I thought I would offer a simple trick I have used to clean concentrate and other residue:

Because most resin and combustion byproducts are non-polar, they are sticky, and tend to stick to microscopically rough surfaces of glass or even polished metals.

So start with a non-polar aprotic solvent (acetone) and an oil (canola oil) and combine them to improve the performance of resin removal.

Recipe:
2 parts Acetone
1 parts oil (canola worked fine)
1 parts salt (use your own discretion here) (optional)

Once the mixture is applied to the item to be cleaned, you may have to use a scraper of some sort actually to remove the deposits. Anyway, just fill the item to be cleaned (or immerse it), shake it and pour it out. You may need a second such shaking/cleaning. Once it looks clean you must wash it in soap and water This is because normally, acetone has a non-polar nature. However acetone is miscible in water, which means it fails to remain a working solvent when diluted with H2O. This means when rinsing your piece, the acetone precipitates the resin particles back out of solution, and they end up sticking all over again.
However, with the addition of the oil, the resin remains dissolved in solution when water is added, because the resin is immediately absorbed by the oil upon precipitation from the acetone. Thus, when rinsing your piece, the solution (full of resin) runs quickly out, leaving only non-soluble oil (also full of resin) in the piece.
The answer to this dilemma is simple. Wash with soap and hot water. Oil is non-polar. Water is polar. Soap is BOTH polar and non-polar. Put all those together in solution, and you grab the oil, and rinse it away with water, just like you would any cooking oil.