Discontinued The Sublimator

[Dreamerr]

I can't wait for the reports next week. I think tweek is up first IIRC.

 

[green2brown]

Why is it that trolls tend to have a number of both grammatical and spelling errors in their posts? It's basically a standard.

Anyhow, do we know if the pot.tv guys have used a VXC? I'll be preordering a Sublimator, so I'll be able to compare then. But it sure would be nice to get a comparison of the reigning big hitter and the Sublimator prior to it's official release. If they're reading and they've tried both, feel free to post a video response

Also, I wrote via the Sublimator website asking 2 questions: 1. What are the various temp settings? and 2. Does draw speed affect temperature or is it stable? So hopefully I'll have some responses to post soon.

 

[poonman]

I can't wait for the reports next week. I think tweek is up first IIRC.

And he sure makes some NICE vids , IIRC .

 

[jambandphan03]

I saw the VXL on one of the shows once, but they wouldn't give it time to warm up properly, so it wasn't hitting right. LOL I don't know what other experience they had with it. One of the reasons I am interested in the sub, is it looks pretty solidly built, and I like the size of it. It's not made of glass, or glass parts that can easily break. The only thing I am unclear about at this point is how it heats, what the longevity of that component will be. IMO if it's built solid, and lasts many years, it is worth a little more $ than spending on glass parts that are sure to break after heating and cooling over and over.

 

[natural farmer]

I wonder why they don't hold their hits more than half a second at the show? Is it just for the "money shot" or do they also need to stay reasonably sober so that they can keep filming...

EDIT: I really like the idea behind the Sublimator (even though it's not a sublimator but a gasificator per se...) but the way it's built right now seems quite dangerous for everyday use. I am sure I would be full of burn marks within a month with any of these. I hope it's possible to coat Generation 2 with a silicon coating or something so you don't melt everything it touches.

And 499$ for the bong thing??? I would love someone to come up and tell us how it came to cost that much? Is it made of anobtanium or something?

 

[jambandphan03]

it might just have to do with overfilling the lungs. I can't really hold a huge hit in very long, if at all. Once I reach my full capacity, everything wants to push out, and usually there is a cough on it's way, but that's just me.

 

[green2brown]

I emailed PV as well asking about the temperature settings and just received a response stating that "the temp is controlled relatively by a thumb wheel, no temp settings so to speak." I'd guess that means there are a full range of temps and not just a few presets. Hopefully Sublimator customer service gets back to me soon too with more specific info.

 

[goatgobaahh]

it might just have to do with overfilling the lungs. I can't really hold a huge hit in very long, if at all. Once I reach my full capacity, everything wants to push out, and usually there is a cough on it's way, but that's just me.

I kinda pride myself on taking those type hits. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

So I'm real excited so I can see how far I can push myself. With this device.(what you cant tell im competitive?)

 

[that herb guy]

Name aside, this thing really seems like a step in the right direction. The videos are great, and the explanation behind the theory makes sense. But a 1 year warranty on a ~$500 device seems low-ball. I can't imagine that the heating element/circuitry is that much more complex than what goes in to most vapes. It seems like most of the heating going on is from thermal contact of the top heating portion warming the bottom tube until it's ready to be used. 3-5 years sounds more reasonable for the price (IMO), and with all the upgrades and new gear constantly being put out will give people a reason to stick around and see what happens down the line.

If what this is creating is truly a 'gas', would it be more likely that actives would be lost in water? I've heard them mention that several times in the videos, and noticed that a large majority of the hits are dry. I can understand it already being smooth but it seems like long time water tool smokers would miss the pull.

Truly looking forward to having some forum reviews of this thing. Enrico, if you're reading, keep doing your thing. It's obviously working.

 

[jambandphan03]

well, I have a strong liking for bubble hash, and it seems both versions handle hash well and oils so with the apollo version, it's covering the spectrum. I suspect a lot of the cost will be just getting a well built item (I hope) that is meant to last a long time and works well. I am also hoping if the heater should fail, it's a simple and low cost replacement down the road. Honestly I can't say the price makes me super happy, but it's not outrageous considering the china made portables are going for around $250... not really wanting to dispute pricing here. I know there are a few other higher end vapes that cost a lot too, so it's relative.

 

[that herb guy]

This is true, and if that read offensively to anyone it wasn't meant to be. Just giving an honest opinion of what I've read so far. I'm actually very interested in this little device and have been lurking on it for a bit. The price makes sense if they're putting top quality materials in. But that also goes along with the warranty, better materials should(?) equate to a longer lasting, sturdier product. May also equate to a costly replacement.

Anyway, I tend to think out loud as I type. I do re-read but from different perspectives it can be easy to mis-interpret intentions. No offense meant to anyone, I'd love to get sublimated ASAP .

 

[green2brown]

well, I have a strong liking for bubble hash, and it seems both versions handle hash well and oils so with the apollo version, it's covering the spectrum.

I couldn't agree more with this. I haven't seen a vape that looks to works so well with flower, hash, and concentrate. At this point the VXC has been the most successful over the whole spectrum IME, but I've never been able to get SUCH fat rips from oil and hash as the Sublimator seems capable of producing. For an all-in-one device like this, I can't complain too much about the price. Now to just hope the hits and their effects are as strong as they look to be.

What exactly is the point of the E-Nailator, though, if the Apollo works so well with concentrates? Just the fact that you can take such massive dabs of oil at a time, which may be incredibly difficult to do through the inlet holes on the Apollo? Or to avoid "sublimation" since the E-Nailator states it only vaporizes?

 

[Slightly Medicated]

Well I placed an order. I should have a unit for review around the same time as everyone else. I am hopeful this vaporizer will preform well... I am most interested in the products ability to quickly extract all the actives from the plant. I am hoping it will live up to my ridiculously high standards.

Does anyone know if there has been an actual temperature range listed anywhere? I quickly scrolled through the thread, but I did not see anything.

 

[green2brown]

Does anyone know if there has been an actual temperature range listed anywhere? I quickly scrolled through the thread, but I did not see anything.

There hasn't yet. Still waiting on a response from customer service, so hopefully we'll know shortly.

 

[jambandphan03]

yeah it seems to me from watching them load dabs on the apollo, it works, but isn't really designed for it, those were originally vent holes. I like that the Enail has the channel so you can easily see where you are dabbing and have a place for the oil to pool as it liquifies. In my mind the ultimate would be the combo of the enail and appollo. That's why I was pressing so hard for an answer about if the enail would vape herbs too. It gets plenty hot, and the rest of the set up is the same. In any case, I'll just be happy if things line up for me to get one at all. The nice thing about buying through PV is I know they will help take care of any issues that may arise. They have been a top notch company so far.

 

[VaporEyes]

What exactly is the point of the E-Nailator, though, if the Apollo works so well with concentrates? Just the fact that you can take such massive dabs of oil at a time, which may be incredibly difficult to do through the inlet holes on the Apollo? Or to avoid "sublimation" since the E-Nailator states it only vaporizes?

I think the Nail is for those who are really into concentrated cannabis. And you gotta have a supply for that.

 

[Slightly Medicated]

The nice thing about buying through PV is I know they will help take care of any issues that may arise. They have been a top notch company so far.

That is why I decided to bite the bullet and purchase one for review. So far PlanetVape has been a pretty reuptable company. I figured if they are willing to represent this product then it is worth a review. I just hope it can really deliver those large intense hits like I desire. I figured if it can satasfy my lugs then it should work for most everyone else.

Does anyone know if the 14mm Atomizer can use an 18/14mm adapter to fit 18mm joints? I normally use 18mm joints and if it can't be adapted I need to change my order around.

Enrico sounds like he has a French Canadian and Jamaican accent combined. Very interesting accent.

 

[green2brown]

From the PV E-Nailator page:

• E-Nailator chamber can be used to vaporize herbs as well as extracts

So it appears the E-Nailator does both like the Apollo, BUT it vaporizes rather than... next-level-whatever-you-wanna-call-it . Difficult to talk about when I don't want to say sublimate lol.

 

[Slightly Medicated]

I get confused because in most the videos he says the magic happens in the atomizer... that is where the real next-level-whatever-you-wanna-call-it takes place. Well the E-Nailator comes with an atomizer as well... so wouldn't that be next-level-whatever-you-wanna-call-it also? Why does one supposedly do a different kind of extraction then the other even though most of the components are the same?

I am not big on dabbing and nails so the E-Nailator does not really interest me as a product. I already passed it along to several dabber friends of mine who are always looking for butane free dabbing nails and accessories.

 

[VaporEyes]

From the PV E-Nailator page:

• E-Nailator chamber can be used to vaporize herbs as well as extracts

So it appears the E-Nailator does both like the Apollo, BUT it vaporizes rather than... next-level-whatever-you-wanna-call-it . Difficult to talk about when I don't want to say sublimate lol.

Good to hear such a thing. An Apollo for those who want to "sublimate" herbs, with oils being doable. And the Titan E-Nail-ator for those who want to "sublimate" oils/hashes, with herbs being doable. The Sublimator seems to be a winner either way.

 

[green2brown]

I get confused because in most the videos he says the magic happens in the atomizer... that is where the real next-level-whatever-you-wanna-call-it takes place. Well the E-Nailator comes with an atomizer as well... so wouldn't that be next-level-whatever-you-wanna-call-it also? Why does one supposedly do a different kind of extraction then the other even though most of the components are the same?

Perfectly logical question there. I was actually just looking around trying to figure that out myself and sent off another e-mail through the Sublimator website just a few minutes ago.

 

[jambandphan03]

thanks for looking into it green2... it just seems to me the same effect would happen with either device, as SLIM pointed out they both use the atomizer... and heat from the top, that was what got me on this kick to begin with. I also find the Enailator more visually pleasing, but that's just me. I don't use oils much right now, so I guess I can stick with the Apollo, but that enail sure looks nice.

btw, very cool you are getting one SLIM< I know you are a hard sell, so if you like it...

 

[green2brown]

The more I look at the 2 devices the more confused I get. The only difference is the heater itself, I think. One has a nail that heats up, the other has a heat wand. Everything else is identical. This contradiction could cause a big problem for the next-level-etc argument. But I guess we should hold off judgement until we hear an explanation. Maybe there's some other internal difference that we don't know about and the atomizer is only part of the equation?

 

[Slightly Medicated]

From what I can tell the E-Nailator you put the concentrate on the top of the "dome" it vaporizes and is passed down through the center of the device. That way you can look down and place your concentrate on the E-Nailator similar to a dome-less nail. That is the main difference I can gather.

The regular unit heats the air up and mixes that hot air with the air from the inlets along the side and then passes over the material in the chamber. I do not think the E-Nailator has those inlets. I think the way it extracts before the Atomizer is slightly different.

The E-Nailator you are putting the concentrate on top of the heat source. The regular unit you are mixing the hot air above the herbal material. I believe that is the main difference.

 

[green2brown]

But when using herb with the E-Nailator, it's being heated with convection just like with the Apollo. The only difference is the air is coming through the holes on the top of the nail instead of the inlet holes on the sides of the Apollo heater. So with herb it seems to function just the same.