Discontinued The Splinter by RBT

[buddingglasshead]

Thanks AJS for at least acting as some conduit between consumer and manufacturer.

A couple of questions if I may..

- Are there any safety concerns about units with no burn-ins? Imagining something is safe is a bit different to knowing it right? As a person in remission for cancer, I'm not massively keen on taking risks. And presumably some people will have been using units with no burn-in for some time now? "LOL"

- If the manufacturer seemingly has no idea how many units may be affected, are customers expected to diagnose whether their unit needs one or not? And equally, how can the uninitiated be sure that they've effectively completed the burnin? "LOL"

- "The problem has been root caused".. when we're looking at a manual part of the process in an one-man production line, I imagine there wasn't far to look? "LOL"

- Do you think, in hindsight, it's appropriate to make light of a failure by a company to follow due practice when it comes to the health of the consumer? "LOL"

In my opinion, if the manufacturer really cared then every unit should be recalled and checked. Again, as a person in remission for cancer, I'm not massively keen on taking risks..

You should do a burn off/in on any vape you purchased regardless of how it comes if health is the utmost concern.

I think you should learn how to post properly. "LOL"

Only 1 POST???

"LOL"

 

[AJS]

Thanks AJS for at least acting as some conduit between consumer and manufacturer.

A couple of questions if I may..

- Are there any safety concerns about units with no burn-ins? Imagining something is safe is a bit different to knowing it right? As a person in remission for cancer, I'm not massively keen on taking risks. And presumably some people will have been using units with no burn-in for some time now? "LOL"

- If the manufacturer seemingly has no idea how many units may be affected, are customers expected to diagnose whether their unit needs one or not? And equally, how can the uninitiated be sure that they've effectively completed the burnin? "LOL"

- "The problem has been root caused".. when we're looking at a manual part of the process in an one-man production line, I imagine there wasn't far to look? "LOL"

- Do you think, in hindsight, it's appropriate to make light of a failure by a company to follow due practice when it comes to the health of the consumer? "LOL"

In my opinion, if the manufacturer really cared then every unit should be recalled and checked. Again, as a person in remission for cancer, I'm not massively keen on taking risks..

The majority of vapes require a burn in, almost every one I've ever purchased. This is the one time RBT didn't perform his own in house burn ins. It's just residue and material on the heater from shipping and factory residue and all that shit I believe. If you want, run through a couple stems just using an air pump up to the inlets or something and just blow vapor through if you really want. This is sort of standard for most vapes to have the manufacturer state you need to burn off any manufacturing/factory residue.

I cannot say what is healthy for you. But this is pretty standard for vapes.


WELCOME to FC! (people typically aren't rude to new members, your posting style was just a little different than we're used to lol).

 

[SpudBob]

The majority of vapes require a burn in, almost every one I've ever purchased. This is the one time RBT didn't perform his own in house burn ins. It's just residue and material on the heater from shipping and factory residue and all that shit I believe. If you want, run through a couple stems just using an air pump up to the inlets or something and just blow vapor through if you really want. This is sort of standard for most vapes to have the manufacturer state you need to burn off any manufacturing/factory residue.

I cannot say what is healthy for you. But this is pretty standard for vapes.


WELCOME to FC! (people typically aren't rude to new members, your posting style was just a little different than we're used to lol).

@CHUNKEDAF You can get rid of it through the classifieds section. Posting about selling in threads is against rules. You need like 40 posts or something to be able to post in the classifieds tho.

Why don't you like it? Anything we can help with to get you the best results?

I don't mean to be rude, if its me you mean, but I do find it interesting to have 2 negative-ish posts in such a short span by two "new" members! Excuse.....Me.....!

 

[ray_b]

What coil material should I select when trying to use temp control with my DNA mod for the splinter? I tried SS 316 but it just went into temp protect. Nickel 200 seems to be working but I really don't know enough about mods to know what the difference between the two is. I know on my pico I was able to change the TCR value, but it doesn't look like I have that option with the DNA.

What temps were you using when the temp protect kicked in? With TCR set for SS316 try much lower temps, like starting at 200F.

With your DNA mod you should be able to set a specific TCR value. I've never used a DNA mod but I would think you'd be able to set the TCR value on the mod. The DNA mods also use the EScribe software suite which is suppose to be extremely comprehensive, no doubt that you could set the TCR value using EScribe.

If you want to use the mod's presets I'd use the one for Ti. Here are some relevant TCR values, note that some manufacturers express the number without the decimal places for ease of use.

SS316 - 9 (9x10^-4)
Ti01 - 350 (3.5x10^-3)
Ni200 - 620 (6.2x10^-3)

With the Splinter using my Vaporesso Revenger mod I'm using TCR=260 (because I had to start somewhere). In TCR mode the watts setting determines how quickly the mod ramps up to full temperature. With watts=36 and temps from 380F to 400F I get a good vape using a 6-8 sec preheat (hold fire button without drawing) before the first hit and a 3-4 sec preheat before subsequent hits. I'm going to try to reduce the preheat times by trying higher watts settings. Further testing is ongoing. In power mode I get a great session starting at 28 watts and increasing the setting in one watt increments to finish at 34-35 watts (using 6-8/3-4 sec preheats) yielding a dark brown ABV. [edit: finishing at 34-35 watts not 32]

 

[Smoke1ForMe]

What temps were you using when the temp protect kicked in? With TCR set for SS316 try much lower temps, like starting at 200F.

With your DNA mod you should be able to set a specific TCR value. I've never used a DNA mod but I would think you'd be able to set the TCR value on the mod. The DNA mods also use the EScribe software suite which is suppose to be extremely comprehensive, no doubt that you could set the TCR value using EScribe.

If you want to use the mod's presets I'd use the one for Ti. Here are some relevant TCR values, note that some manufacturers express the number without the decimal places for ease of use.

SS316 - 9 (9x10^-4)
Ti01 - 350 (3.5x10^-3)
Ni200 - 620 (6.2x10^-3)

With the Splinter using my Vaporesso Revenger mod I'm using TCR=260 (because I had to start somewhere). In TCR mode the watts setting determines how quickly the mod ramps up to full temperature. With watts=36 and temps from 380F to 400F I get a good vape using a 6-8 sec preheat (hold fire button without drawing) before the first hit and a 3-4 sec preheat before subsequent hits. I'm going to try to reduce the preheat times by trying higher watts settings. Further testing is ongoing. In power mode I get a great session starting at 28 watts and increasing the setting in one watt increments to finish at 32 watts (using 6-8/3-4 sec preheats) yielding a dark brown ABV.

Thanks for the explanation.

I was using escribe I’ll have to search more to see if I can enter the tcr value.

I tried it on ti and it definitely seems to be working better. Will continue to test and report back.

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Thanks for the explanation.

I was using escribe I’ll have to search more to see if I can enter the tcr value.

I tried it on ti and it definitely seems to be working better. Will continue to test and report back.

I'm getting bit overwhelmed with all the escribe settings. Maybe a few of us that are using escribe can come up with starting profile to share. This new to me so kinda learning as I go.

 

[Fred Friv]

The majority of vapes require a burn in, almost every one I've ever purchased. This is the one time RBT didn't perform his own in house burn ins. It's just residue and material on the heater from shipping and factory residue and all that shit I believe. If you want, run through a couple stems just using an air pump up to the inlets or something and just blow vapor through if you really want. This is sort of standard for most vapes to have the manufacturer state you need to burn off any manufacturing/factory residue.

I cannot say what is healthy for you. But this is pretty standard for vapes.


WELCOME to FC! (people typically aren't rude to new members, your posting style was just a little different than we're used to lol).

Thanks for the dignified response - I certainly didn't mean to offend and I hope you can at least understand my feeling of indignation.

However, there's a bit of a gap in this logic I'm struggling to get my head round - The recommended max temp for the Splinter (on their own website) is 50W. I did a burnOFF just below that level. The recommended burnIN is 70W so there's no chance I would have done that when I got it. All available advice told me not to. This is exactly the type of conjecture and misinformation I'm trying to get clarity over.. I could have been inhaling stuff that didn't burn off at 50W. Even a 0.05% chance of that being bad carcinogens is too much of a risk for me to take

Also, I dont know what the vape is supposed to taste like. The reason that the manufacturer will do the burnIN is surely to check that there's nothing faulty or unsafe with the unit.. Do the burnin then test it in operation. If it tastes bad even after the burnin, something's wrong... I repeat (but more rhetorically this time).. are customers qualified to make that call?

I don't mean to be rude, if its me you mean, but I do find it interesting to have 2 negative-ish posts in such a short span by two "new" members! Excuse.....Me.....!

And this will be my last post. This is the only place I've seen any info about the issue. I joined to raise some clear concerns and try to get some help and you're trying to discredit me. Do you think I'm making up the fact I own a splinter and had cancer? I could probably fit the splinter and evidence of my Orchidectomy into one photo, but I'm not sure you'd want to see it, trust me.

You should do a burn off/in on any vape you purchased regardless of how it comes if health is the utmost concern.

I think you should learn how to post properly. "LOL"



"LOL"

wow.. this is either an incredibly puerile and insensitive attempt to mock my concerns regarding my life threatening illness, or an kindly offer to assist me with the finer details of FC posting etiquette. I'll let the readers decide on that one

Anyway, I'm outta here.. I can't say I've been reassured, sorry! I'll do the burnin and give it to a combuster friend who's not got a 10% chance of getting cancer for the next 4 years

 

[buddingglasshead]

wow.. this is either an incredibly puerile and insensitive attempt to mock my concerns regarding my life threatening illness, or an kindly offer to assist me with the finer details of FC posting etiquette. I'll let the readers decide on that one

Don't know how you see it that way when it's already been mentioned that pretty much all vapes require a burn in. My point being that no matter what any manufacture has done with their vape your own burn in is what matters. It's your life in your hands and your decision what to use and put in it. If you don't feel comfortable using the Splinter, then don't. Maybe message Ryan directly on Instagram if you want your concerns lessened. Who better to answer them?


Regarding your wattage concern. To half-ass quote Ryan "You can push 100w through it if you suck ass hard enough" something similar to that effect. Basically as long as there is enough airflow over the heater it really doesn't matter how much wattage you have going through it. His recommendation of 70w for the burn off being above the recommend actual usage is to ensure excess heat is generated to actually burn off any residue. Blowing through it at the same time ensure that the coil itself isn't damaged. Was going to save this for my review, but I pre-heat at 60w most of the time with a cold Splinter. It's going to be fine.

Basic post etiquette can be found in the FC forum rules. How you responded to mine and other messages is a much better way of conveying a message on this forum. It's nothing personal; so don't take it as such.

 

[SpudBob]

I could probably fit the splinter and evidence of my Orchidectomy into one photo, but I'm not sure you'd want to see it, trust me.

Was it a total or partial Orchidectomy? Might lend itself to an interesting pic! All kidding aside though, like some have already pointed out ALL vapes need to be burned off IMHO! It's, actually, not common for manufacturers to do burn offs. Ryan, usually, does! It's also my opinion that a few hits off a vape that has not been burned off is not that detrimental, as long as it doesn't continue, in light of what we breath on a daily basis in most cities. It's not pleasant but, also, not likely to kill you! Just my 2c! By the way I have had a few things cut off/out of my body. I get it!

 

[Fred Friv]

Was it a total or partial Orchidectomy? Might lend itself to an interesting pic! All kidding aside though, like some have already pointed out ALL vapes need to be burned off IMHO! It's, actually, not common for manufacturers to do burn offs. Ryan, usually, does! It's also my opinion that a few hits off a vape that has not been burned off is not that detrimental, as long as it doesn't continue, in light of what we breath on a daily basis in most cities. It's not pleasant but, also, not likely to kill you! Just my 2c! By the way I have had a few things cut off/out of my body. I get it!

I'm mono It was a seminoma roughly 25mm across, and I count myself lucky. To be honest, I'm ok with the body horror aspect.. it's the thought of leaving my wife on her own to bring up 2 small children that really scares me

Look, I'll post one more time. You are completely missing my point.. so I'll give you one more chance to try and understand my concerns.

The website (and several other sources) state that a 50W box mod is what you need. I bought a 50W box mod, as advised, and have been using the vape. The manufacturer has deemed that 70W is necessary to eradicate all harmful chemicals. Therefore I could easily have been unknowingly inhaling any unwanted fumes and carcinogens that would normally burn off between 50-70W

Please - Think about it.. There is a genuine risk here that you are trying to gloss over and I'm not here to troll.

So, lets follow this path of logic. If the manufacturer has not noticed they didn't do a burnIN, then they clearly haven't tested the devices for safety and use at all. If they had, they would have noticed it stinks like shit.

So, and this is my main point I want to make people clear about:


THERE ARE SPLINTERS OUT THERE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO SAFE USAGE TESTING.


Some may have failed the manufacture burn-in for all we know. We don't know what one's they are, or how bad it might be. The manufacturer is refusing to take any real accountability or responsibility for playing Russian roulette with his customers. I've had to join a forum to get any real info, there is nothing on the website, and I've had no email. @AJS you should be getting paid for this!

Again, safest and most respectful thing to do is recall them all, surely? I'll have to wait until my CT scan in a month to alleviate my anxieties

 

[sickmanfraud]

The website (and several other sources) state that a 50W box mod is what you need. I bought a 50W box mod, as advised, and have been using the vape. The manufacturer has deemed that 70W is necessary to eradicate all harmful chemicals. Therefore I could easily have been unknowingly inhaling any unwanted fumes and carcinogens that would normally burn off between 50-70W

While I understand your vigilance, I see this as an actual non-issue. In what situation do you think you would be using the Splinter over 50 W??

Since there is no actual usage in the 50 W to 70 W range it would seem to me that there should be minimal to no safety issue.

I don't know if this is a good analogy, but I will try. If a car's airbag system would not be reliable at speeds in excess of 120 mph; does it matter to folks who NEVER go above 70mph?

@Fred Friv don't give up on FC. We can be a good/great resource for you and you can contribute your point of view which will add to the conversation.

 

[Alegre]

@Fred Friv don't give up on FC. We can be a good/great resource for you and you can contribute your point of view which will add to the conversation.

This^^

We're a bunch of, at times, very passionate people. Don't give up on us! Wishing you all the health in the world.......and welcome!

 

[Fred Friv]

While I understand your vigilance, I see this as an actual non-issue. In what situation do you think you would be using the Splinter over 50 W??

Since there is no actual usage in the 50 W to 70 W range it would seem to me that there should be minimal to no safety issue.

I don't know if this is a good analogy, but I will try. If a car's airbag system would not be reliable at speeds in excess of 120 mph; does it matter to folks who NEVER go above 70mph?

@Fred Friv don't give up on FC. We can be a good/great resource for you and you can contribute your point of view which will add to the conversation.

Thanks.. er.. Sickman..

This is the last time I will make this point, because people are still not getting it. If you still don't get it then good luck to you.

Hypothetically there could be a material on the coils that shouldn't be there. This material may be emitting unwanted chemicals or carcinogens at 30W, but the material itself (that is the cause of the emissions) will only be fully burnt off at 70W.. Do you understand this?
If there is even a slim chance of that happening, the manufacturer should take responsibility.. I don't mind you guys thinking it's a non-issue, it sounds like you've got a lot less to lose.

I will not give up on FC altogether, but this has been a chastening experience so say the least. I'm trying to help people understand the dangers they are facing, and I'm met with animosity and defensiveness. One thing is for sure, my faith in RBT and its supporters has diminished significantly.

Don't know how you see it that way when it's already been mentioned that pretty much all vapes require a burn in. My point being that no matter what any manufacture has done with their vape your own burn in is what matters. It's your life in your hands and your decision what to use and put in it. If you don't feel comfortable using the Splinter, then don't. Maybe message Ryan directly on Instagram if you want your concerns lessened. Who better to answer them?


Regarding your wattage concern. To half-ass quote Ryan "You can push 100w through it if you suck ass hard enough" something similar to that effect. Basically as long as there is enough airflow over the heater it really doesn't matter how much wattage you have going through it. His recommendation of 70w for the burn off being above the recommend actual usage is to ensure excess heat is generated to actually burn off any residue. Blowing through it at the same time ensure that the coil itself isn't damaged. Was going to save this for my review, but I pre-heat at 60w most of the time with a cold Splinter. It's going to be fine.

Basic post etiquette can be found in the FC forum rules. How you responded to mine and other messages is a much better way of conveying a message on this forum. It's nothing personal; so don't take it as such.

A word of advice yeah.. this might be useful in your life and I've had to learn it the hard way. You don't tell people how they should take something.. I decide how I interpret things. You can say you didn't mean it to come across like that, and apologise for it, but you cannot insult me and then tell me how to feel, that just belittles me even further.

 

[Lazy Lighting]

Yeah...so to go back to discussing splinter.....

Has anyone tried matching this with VF cooling mouthpiece. 420edc has them in stock.

 

[sickmanfraud]

A word of advice yeah.. this might be useful in your life and I've had to learn it the hard way. You don't tell people how they should take something.. I decide how I interpret things. You can say you didn't mean it to come across like that, and apologise for it, but you cannot insult me and then tell me how to feel, that just belittles me even further.

Isn't that exactly what you are doing???

If there is even a slim chance of that happening, the manufacturer should take responsibility.. I don't mind you guys thinking it's a non-issue, it sounds like you've got a lot less to lose

Personally, Resent your implication that your life and health is more important than ours.

Perhaps I was hasty when I urged you to stay on FC.

 

[Easywider]

Not to stir this pot anymore but I think @Fred Friv is so cheesed because nobody is getting his point.

It has been mentioned several times by Ryan and in this forum never to run the splinter past 50w so Fred baught himself a mod that does max 50w and now Fred is told in order to use his device safely he needs to do a burn off @70w. Fred now feels that he can’t safely use his device.

@Fred Friv Hopefully this helps. You can still do your burn off / burn in @ a wattage lower then 70 it will just take a longer time. So instead of 15seconds try 25. It won’t take much to clear those robot farts.

But more importantly if health is your main concern I would suggest choosing a vaporizer that is not currently in its beta pre order phase.

 

[Fred Friv]

Not to stir this pot anymore but I think @Fred Friv is so cheesed because nobody is getting his point.

It has been mentioned several times by Ryan and in this forum never to run the splinter past 50w so Fred baught himself a mod that does max 50w and now Fred is told in order to use his device safely he needs to do a burn off @70w. Fred now feels that he can’t safely use his device.

@Fred Friv Hopefully this helps. You can still do your burn off / burn in @ a wattage lower then 70 it will just take a longer time. So instead of 15seconds try 25. It won’t take much to clear those robot farts.

But more importantly if health is your main concern I would suggest choosing a vaporizer that is not currently in its beta pre order phase.

Thanks Easwider - for the help and trying to cut through the conjecture and see my main point.

This is half of the reason I'm cheesed. The other half is that I've already used this potentially untested device well over 50 times and I have the sword of damocles hanging over me. And 2 small mouths to feed. Can anyone see how that makes me worried?

Sorry for causing friction guys. I didn't come here to pick fights, just get some answers to alleviate my anxiety. I've got a CT scan coming up and I always get twitchy. And I feel I am entitled to be concerned..

I took up vaping whilst on chemotherapy treatment after my operation, and it truly has done wonders for me.. I am really positive about vaping in general, honest!

All the best

 

[Summer]

@Fred Friv, I agree with most everything you posted, but unfortunately the inclusion of the sarcastic or ironic "LOL" rubbed some the wrong way. Had you excluded these, I believe the response would have been different.

I believe anyone who isn't trolling is always welcome.

Personally, Resent your implication that your life and health is more important than ours.

I don't think he was implying that his health is more important, just that because of his precondition of being diagnosed with cancer coupled with him having 2 young children makes him feel more vulnerable to this issue than maybe some others would be.

The recommended max temp for the Splinter (on their own website) is 50W. I did a burnOFF just below that level.

I didn't know that the upper limit for the Splinter was 50W until I heard Ryan say that in a recent live stream. I, too, did my burnoffs in the 30W range. But I got mine in the 1st batch about 2 months ago & I didn't have any foul odors. Don't know if it's necessary to do a burn in at this late stage & as it only occurred with a recent batch.

But more importantly if health is your main concern I would suggest choosing a vaporizer that is not currently in its beta pre order phase.

It isn't in the beta stage any longer. The final post beta units are being shipped to Vapefiend if they haven't been already & some US customers have received the new units. Between getting my unit 2 months ago & now, Ryan has since updated to heavier German, 19/19 joint glass, is no longer recessing the 510 attachment into the wood & is adding heavier mica which is the only upgrade to the heating assembly which will keep the unit cooler. The only thing I can't tell is if my 510 attachment is recessed or not.

The only upgrade I would have appreciated is the heavier mica. Besides keeping the wood cooler, does heavier mica also afford protection to the heater mesh & the Splinter's 510 adaptor &, thus, the mod in anyway?

If you want, run through a couple stems just using an air pump up to the inlets or something and just blow vapor through if you really want.

don't know what this means: "using an air pump up to the inlets -- and just blow vapor through if you really want."

Does anyone know when Ryan will offer his cooling stem in colors?

Ryan said in an stream, no more colored glass as he's now getting the German glass & German colored glass is much more expensive.

 

[analytika]

To half-ass quote Ryan "You can push 100w through it if you suck ass hard enough" something similar to that effect.

The Splinter uses either the same, or close to the same, heating unit as the Milaana.

As an unregulated device, when you push and hold the button on the Milaana, the throughput is as much as 100W on the recommended (also unregulated) 18650s. (3.3V * 30A).

You're not expected to hold the button continuously, but a 5 second warm-up is pretty standard.

So there's nothing surprising about the Splinter taking 70W for brief periods.

 

[Summer]

So the Splinter is suppose to come with two sizes of stems? Mine came with two of what's in the pic.

Yeah I saw the pics. That's what I thought but every 19/22 I've tried in my Splinter is loose fitting, not even close to air tight. 18mm GooG from Alan for my HI is a sloppy fit.

You know, I was thinking, ray, the reason the 19/22 stems you have may be loose is because you may have the new 19/19 joint. Ryan did say though that the 19/19 joint was backward compatible. But since the joint is shallower, maybe the 19/22 would be wobbly in it? Can anyone who knows they have the new 19/19 joint check fitment out w/ 18 & 19mm joints? Also, since the website doesn't have any more stems currently for sale, I don't know if Ryan is even offering a long length 19/19 stem as he's selling those long cooling ones. And in reading the product page, it says, "The glass connection is a US 19/19 to allow for a compact form factor. The complete Splinter package includes the Splinter, mouthpiece, two screens, stir stick in a natural cloth bag." Doesn't say anything about more than 1 stem. I would like to see the website updated to reflect the newer clear glass Splinter &, even if OOS, show what accessories will be offered, i.e. stems, replacement screens(?) -- would just make it less confusing.

I'd also like to hear how @HughJundys & @Baked-not-fried are doing with their Splinters.

 

[AJS]

As an unregulated device, when you push and hold the button on the Milaana, the throughput is as much as 100W on the recommended (also unregulated) 18650s. (3.3V * 30A).

Milaana is wired to put out 40W of power.

@Fred Friv i truly believe any residue that is burned off at 70W would also be burned off at 50W. I think he's suggesting 70W because it'll be fastest. Most vapes burnoff at 400 degrees or so (around the max temp of the vape). 50W is still so far beyond the temp of other vapes I believe it should be no problem.

If you used your Splinter and was experiencing a residue, you would probably know. The flavor would be very off. I understand your frustration and concern for your health. At this point, now that you've used it 50 times as you say, there should be nothing left and any harm that could have been caused is already done (sorry). Nothing left to do at this point other than enjoy the vape or find someone who will enjoy the vape.

Honestly, if you are this concerned for health, you may want to find a vape that has a completely isolated Air path / vapor path from any electronics, adhesives, etc so you will never have to worry. The Splinter has adhesive, but it is at the very tip of the glass and is sealed off from the airpath with a little ledge. The adhesive is also medical grade epoxy and is cured and should have no off gassing. As you can see in the Splinter, the Air inlet is below the tip of the glass where the adhesive is. Theoretically it should be safe from the adhesive. Hypothetically if there was a gas released from the adhesive it is possible that there could be a tiny crack between that ledge an some gas could chill ambiently and be pulled down by the pressure when inhaled, but I really really do not believe this to be the case as when I insert a blank stem and draw there is no flavor at all. Again, the epoxy is cured and dried and should put out no gas whatsoever. I believe at this point your unit is very safe. I also believe anything you inhaled if there was some residue, wouldn't be anymore dangerous than inhaling the gasoline of a passing car or driving past a power plant (still completely understand this is not ideal).

Honestly this should all be in a separate thread and I wouldn't doubt if a mod would possibly move these posts to a separate thread.

Also trust me, you are not the only person to voice health concerns for a vape. Almost every single vape has been through this conversation somewhere in the thread.

If there's any questions on what I posted specifically, probably just PM me directly to not derail anymore.
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@Lazy Lighting
Yo man, I really want to use that bubbler stem you are talking about. I actually had a listing on classifieds trying to purchase one. I do not really need one anymore tho as the RBT xl8r cooling stem is just so so great. But the VF Bubbler stem looks super fun. I will say I used the ddave Bubbler stem but only for microdosing as that was a 14mm, but was tons of fun. No as good of flavor, but the hits feel downright cold sometimes, it's awesome.
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For those of you new who haven't seen these videos...
Enjoy a cold start Bubbler rip with no priming needed on the first hit: https://instagram.com/p/BkrFGinlV58/

And another absolutely massive exhale cloud: https://instagram.com/p/Bkfp_c8lnbL/

And a cute pic of Splinter and xl8r: https://instagram.com/p/BkiwOgmFbxH/

How about Splinter and hammer Bubbler?: https://instagram.com/p/BkHKBoXlFEq/

 

[Justpassedu]

Got some more usage in over the past few days with the Splinter & short stem + the cooling stem. I am loving this vape and also finding I prefer the short stem a little more than the cooling version. That is not to say the cooling 1 is bad at all , I just like a bit hotter vapor and it is easier for me to tell when to let off the trigger as the cooling stem does such a good job at cooling I can barely feel the vapor forming or hitting my throat. Now I will be looking at screens that I can push up a bit in the fitting so i can pack a larger bowl. I can kill a bowl in 2-3 hits or go a bit slower and maybe draw it out 5-6 hits with some nice big clouds. I usually take a 20-30 second draw which for me has been 2-3 button presses in wattage mode per hit at 30-34 W's . Awesome vape imo

 

[HerbieVonVapster]

Can anyone who knows they have the new 19/19 joint check fitment out w/ 18 & 19mm joints? Also, since the website doesn't have any more stems currently for sale, I don't know if Ryan is even offering a long length 19/19 stem as he's selling those long cooling ones.

I checked 4 wooden stem along with 5 glass stem they all fit with screens installed. Rechecked with basket filter all worked except the amber one discussed below. These stems are all from RBT and Alan.

The complete Splinter package includes the Splinter, mouthpiece, two screens, stir stick in a natural cloth bag." Doesn't say anything about more than 1 stem.

Mine came with a small clear glass stem and a small amber stem. The wrapping on amber was "amber chip" and has a chip in heater end.

Since website only states mouthpiece. maybe he didn't want sell it chipped, so he tossed it in as a freebie? I did buy right after in stock email was sent. Hopefully this helps clears up any confusion my earlier post might have caused.

*just read post above mine. It was posted while I was writing mine. Looks like he also received 2 stems so IDK.

 

[HughJundys]

I'd also like to hear how @HughJundys & @Baked-not-fried are doing with their Splinters.

I have tried:

Setting it a 40W- Do a 5 sec warm up, then draw for about 12 seconds holding the button down for about 8 seconds. While exhaling I held the button down and then repeated the inhale procedure of 12 seconds with 8 seconds on the button. On the third drag I started getting vapor. I got vapor for the next three drags with one of them exhaling more vapor than I felt going in (must be the nifty cooloing stem). The favor was good. The vapor amount was fair. Not a smoke stack, but not wispy either. I thought I was maybe on to the right path. Unfortunately when I tried to do it again I got a Device too hot message. I set it down and in a minute the message turned off

Looking at the material in the stem I was happy with the color.

I waited an hour and dropped to 37W

Did a 5 sec warm up, then draw for 12 seconds holding button for 8 seconds. I got vapor on the third draw. Then I got the device too hot message. I set it down and went back to what I was doing. When I looked over 5 minutes later the message was still on and the device was hot to the touch. I removed the battery.

Today I tried 35W. I got flavor. It was nice. I got no vapor.

I tried 36W. I got vapor on the 3rd, 4th and 5th drag. This time not as much as I had at 40W.

My results should be ignored by new users. Not only am I new to these type of devices but also I bought this set up off classified. With nothing in this chain being new except the stem it is hard to judge. I don't typically buy used, had wanted to put my hands on this device quickly to demo it for some people yesterday. That couldn't happen so hopefully that will still occur at a future date.
I think I will buy another mod box. If after a new mod box I still can't get proper operation I'll offer it up to an experienced member here at little or no charge to see if they have success.

 

[scion34]

About the wobbly, I’ll fitting joints some are experiencing - I had this same issue when I first received my Milaana over a year ago, the inner heater screen was installed higher up than it should have been and wasn’t allowing the mouthpiece/stem to seat all the way down, all it took was a bit of downward pressure and twisting of the stem to get that heater screen into the proper position.


- Off topic- Recieved only one short stem that includes what looks to be a chip/flaw right above the joint with my Splinter. Not worried about it since all my colored short stems including the Black fit perfectly.