Go ahead and post. Let TKW and RBT decide what can be implemented (simply I hope) and where to draw the line. It doesn't hurt to feed them ideas.
Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)
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Go ahead and post. Let TKW and RBT decide what can be implemented (simply I hope) and where to draw the line. It doesn't hurt to feed them ideas.
HD Springer
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Careful what you wish for Pak. If Phatts ever really opened up we might not ever be the same.
Hmmm.... not positive why im told i was tagged in here. .. no one's talking to me?
Think i might have bothered RBT. If so, just in case, @RastaBuddhaTao sorry to bother you. I am very sure you can offer a better solution to temp control then i can. I'm sure you can source and design a far better implementation then most any of us here... just thought that tiny chip MIGHT work as a quick and easy fix for those that want it with out having to do much. Since you made it seem (to me at least) that you were not wanting to for these models...
Was just a thought that MAY work as a drop in V limiter, hopefully with out any soldering or modifying... and you can just take out and toss it if it breaks or is no longer wanted.
Sorry again if i stepped on your toes so to speak. Not at all my intention.
Now if you're willing to actually design a real solution, that would of course be infinitely better then my bandaid idea that may not even work...
If you want my thoughts (probably not but y'all can have them anyway!
)
Wouldn't mind digital up and down buttons like is all the rage now days, but i personally prefer a nice dial...
Also would this be a module that can be added on and removed to/from this vape? Or is this going to be a feature that's built into the unit it's self? thus probably making another vape?
I would LOVE a attachable/removable, separate module. I think that would be way cool, as something I've not seen before and it wouldn't reduce the reliability of the bullet proof main vape...
If you want to make a sister vape to this one with a power regulation built in that's cool too! But wouldn't that also be another vape model?
Really don't know which one i would want if i had to pick just one.(between 14m regulation vs 14m standard)... honestly hard to say, but i think I'd be comparing it more with the regular zion and thinking about form factors and bowl size instead of regulated vs manual... also i think TOD does a much better idea of capturing the essence of "raw unregulated power"...
Not really sure what i should be thinking with model. It makes me think more along the lines conservation and "pocket" log... and manually driving it with a bunch of button feathering/surfing seems like a real drag. Least with TOD hanging around, IMO. I
So yeah... i don't know. Is this supposed to be like a mini TOD? I think regulation might be a big plus if not.
On the other hand maybe you just want this to REMAIN more of a bare bones, basic, inexpensive intro vape with price being the bottom line.... then maybe another sibling is the answer. And if so, may i have that sibling instead?
Maybe.
And lastly, being quite frank, I don't WANT you making any more vape models tell i have at least one of you're awesome crations in my hands dang it!!! Jk
Or you could maybe think about selling some prototypes and increase size of testing pool?
*wink wink/cough cough* Lol jk
Think i might have bothered RBT. If so, just in case, @RastaBuddhaTao sorry to bother you. I am very sure you can offer a better solution to temp control then i can. I'm sure you can source and design a far better implementation then most any of us here... just thought that tiny chip MIGHT work as a quick and easy fix for those that want it with out having to do much. Since you made it seem (to me at least) that you were not wanting to for these models...
Was just a thought that MAY work as a drop in V limiter, hopefully with out any soldering or modifying... and you can just take out and toss it if it breaks or is no longer wanted.
Sorry again if i stepped on your toes so to speak. Not at all my intention.
Now if you're willing to actually design a real solution, that would of course be infinitely better then my bandaid idea that may not even work...
If you want my thoughts (probably not but y'all can have them anyway!
)Wouldn't mind digital up and down buttons like is all the rage now days, but i personally prefer a nice dial...
Also would this be a module that can be added on and removed to/from this vape? Or is this going to be a feature that's built into the unit it's self? thus probably making another vape?
I would LOVE a attachable/removable, separate module. I think that would be way cool, as something I've not seen before and it wouldn't reduce the reliability of the bullet proof main vape...
If you want to make a sister vape to this one with a power regulation built in that's cool too! But wouldn't that also be another vape model?
Really don't know which one i would want if i had to pick just one.(between 14m regulation vs 14m standard)... honestly hard to say, but i think I'd be comparing it more with the regular zion and thinking about form factors and bowl size instead of regulated vs manual... also i think TOD does a much better idea of capturing the essence of "raw unregulated power"...
Not really sure what i should be thinking with model. It makes me think more along the lines conservation and "pocket" log... and manually driving it with a bunch of button feathering/surfing seems like a real drag. Least with TOD hanging around, IMO. I
So yeah... i don't know. Is this supposed to be like a mini TOD? I think regulation might be a big plus if not.
On the other hand maybe you just want this to REMAIN more of a bare bones, basic, inexpensive intro vape with price being the bottom line.... then maybe another sibling is the answer. And if so, may i have that sibling instead?
Maybe.
And lastly, being quite frank, I don't WANT you making any more vape models tell i have at least one of you're awesome crations in my hands dang it!!! Jk
Or you could maybe think about selling some prototypes and increase size of testing pool?
*wink wink/cough cough* Lol jk
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Mr. Whitewall
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Lol he said 'digital' 
REPORT REPORT !!!...Seriously now, I was going to propose in one of the threads (sorry can't remember where it was mentioned) the idea of: 'why not do it all?' (time and money allowing ofc) it could be 2 lines, one around $200 or less like the one currently under development AND hopefully another with also 3 models or so? ...Maybe some models in line 2 could add digital control?
And why not the 'Trillionerd edition', a built on-demand mega-expensive ultra-customizable unit with whatever you want in or on it?
Color, wood type/materials, specially made stems, laser etching, carry cases...!?
@Krazzykid: I could only find one function vid on youtube, there's also RBT channel but I guess they are too busy making vapes!
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cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
phatpiggie replied to you on Friday about 5. Maybe that was it...
If you are looking for another $400 vape I'm sure RBT can oblige. He may very well intend to make one with all the whistles and bells and lights and buttons down the way when his brand is established and he has a regular and thick revenue stream.
For now that isn't what he is trying to do. He is making some very powerful but more basic and reasonably priced units to create the rep that will drive the rest.
I, of course, don't speak for RBT. But I think this is what he intends and how he intends to go about it. And I can personally tell you that his first attempt is a serious MotherFucker of a vape and I really like it.
I can't wait to get my hands on the one who's thread we are now in.
TheDudeNextDoor
Abiding
...Seriously now, I was going to propose in one of the threads (sorry can't remember where it was mentioned) the idea of: 'why not do it all?' (time and money allowing ofc) it could be 2 lines, one around $200 or less like the one currently under development AND hopefully another with also 3 models or so? ...Maybe some models in line 2 could add digital control?
And why not the 'Trillionerd edition', a built on-demand mega-expensive ultra-customizable unit with whatever you want in or on it?
Color, wood type/materials, specially made stems, laser etching, carry cases...!?
@Krazzykid: I could only find one function vid on youtube, there's also RBT channel but I guess they are too busy making vapes!
Cool video! I like that Dude's beard.
Mr. Whitewall
Well-Known Member
It goes really well with the unit's color doesn't it?
I also love how he coughs at the end...when they fail at holding it in and go: 'nnnggnnCOUGHnnggCOUGHCOUGHng' it always peaks my interest...
I also love how he coughs at the end...when they fail at holding it in and go: 'nnnggnnCOUGHnnggCOUGHCOUGHng' it always peaks my interest...
HD Springer
Well-Known Member
Dude be gray.
TheDudeNextDoor
Abiding
It goes really well with the unit's color doesn't it?
I also love how he coughs at the end...when they fail at holding it in and go: 'nnnggnnCOUGHnnggCOUGHCOUGHng' it always peaks my interest...
I have it on good authority that Dude there coughed even more after the recording ended.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
you would! (And so would I...)@Mr. Whitewall that is actually the Dude himself, and theZionnextdoor
@Krazzykid hmm not sure how many RBT posted here and not privately with us, but I'm sure he can repost a few here when he pulls himself away from the work (which he should probably not do
, lets get Zions going!)Mr. Whitewall
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@Shit Snacks:Ah! 
It all makes sense now! 
@TheDudeNextDoor: Why stop!?!
I think you should have recorded the whole coughing fit, to give the unit the full credit it deserves! 
It all makes sense now! @TheDudeNextDoor: Why stop!?!
I think you should have recorded the whole coughing fit, to give the unit the full credit it deserves! 
Right this has taken a bit of thinking thru and I am still none the wiser.
If you want balls out get me wankered ASAP then go for the TOD. If you want stem and stash holders then get a ZIon. We can all see and have heard form the beta team the technology delivers the goods. The thing can cope with being baked, run over, dropped with a stem in, a localised bush fire and taken in the shower.
For me personally I would like to see a discreet, ergonomic unit which delivers the goods.
I would like to have adjustable power but can see that electronics take up space and can be problematic and add costs. I want good battery life my 05 uses a battery a day if I am on my own. So if out I would need spares. I am happy to have the option of being able to use a 26650 battery, just add a sleeve and use an 18650, they are bulkier but they are 4000+mah. Some wild exaggerations of 7200mah.
With the option of the 26650 the 14mm stem could be replaced with an 18mm. I know @pakalolo mentioned the hot spots in the smaller size.
I think the stems are great easy to load and they lend themselves to may options. Wood, glass, metal. You could have a custom stem made which allowed for a removable short glass adapters. You could then pre-fill a load of glass wrap a skin round them, so the weed stays put, and every time you kill a bowl you swap it out for another. No stem storage for me I want a discreet palmable unit. I am with @HD Springer on the cigar case or @RastaBuddhaTao option of a smell proof wooden tube. I have a case which everything I need fits into.
More than anything I would like to see as much as possible stoned, drunk or just plain old fool proofing. If this turns out to be the unit that is the bread and butter of RBT industries then more than anything it has to be able to be passed around with no body struggling to get a hit.
I accept the fact that using wood will never allow for a unit the size of a Goboof Alfa but I think it looks too small and no battery swapping so not for me. I do like the position of the temp. controller. You can see it when in use.
My quandary is over everything I agree on the keep it simple side but not so simple that some one would struggle to use it.
If you want balls out get me wankered ASAP then go for the TOD. If you want stem and stash holders then get a ZIon. We can all see and have heard form the beta team the technology delivers the goods. The thing can cope with being baked, run over, dropped with a stem in, a localised bush fire and taken in the shower.
For me personally I would like to see a discreet, ergonomic unit which delivers the goods.
I would like to have adjustable power but can see that electronics take up space and can be problematic and add costs. I want good battery life my 05 uses a battery a day if I am on my own. So if out I would need spares. I am happy to have the option of being able to use a 26650 battery, just add a sleeve and use an 18650, they are bulkier but they are 4000+mah. Some wild exaggerations of 7200mah.
With the option of the 26650 the 14mm stem could be replaced with an 18mm. I know @pakalolo mentioned the hot spots in the smaller size.
I think the stems are great easy to load and they lend themselves to may options. Wood, glass, metal. You could have a custom stem made which allowed for a removable short glass adapters. You could then pre-fill a load of glass wrap a skin round them, so the weed stays put, and every time you kill a bowl you swap it out for another. No stem storage for me I want a discreet palmable unit. I am with @HD Springer on the cigar case or @RastaBuddhaTao option of a smell proof wooden tube. I have a case which everything I need fits into.
More than anything I would like to see as much as possible stoned, drunk or just plain old fool proofing. If this turns out to be the unit that is the bread and butter of RBT industries then more than anything it has to be able to be passed around with no body struggling to get a hit.
I accept the fact that using wood will never allow for a unit the size of a Goboof Alfa but I think it looks too small and no battery swapping so not for me. I do like the position of the temp. controller. You can see it when in use.
My quandary is over everything I agree on the keep it simple side but not so simple that some one would struggle to use it.
A couple of cases and a couple of stems
Some nice wood
or full on steampunk
Again all for illustrative purposes only
no bother at all @slatihe It's great to have others as obsessed as I am about this design. When I started the Zion quest I bought tons of e-cig pens and mods and tore them apart. My original intention was to have a pen sized unit until I realized I could only generate enough power for conduction. Even if you can generate enough power the energy storage is less than impressive with a pen... The. There is all of the heat issues to deal with.Hmmm.... not positive why im told i was tagged in here. .. no one's talking to me?
Think i might have bothered RBT. If so, just in case, @RastaBuddhaTao sorry to bother you. I am very sure you can offer a better solution to temp control then i can. I'm sure you can source and design a far better implementation then most any of us here... just thought that tiny chip MIGHT work as a quick and easy fix for those that want it with out having to do much. Since you made it seem (to me at least) that you were not wanting to for these models...
Was just a thought that MAY work as a drop in V limiter, hopefully with out any soldering or modifying... and you can just take out and toss it if it breaks or is no longer wanted.
Sorry again if i stepped on your toes so to speak. Not at all my intention.
Now if you're willing to actually design a real solution, that would of course be infinitely better then my bandaid idea that may not even work...
If you want my thoughts (probably not but y'all can have them anyway!
Wouldn't mind digital up and down buttons like is all the rage now days, but i personally prefer a nice dial...
Also would this be a module that can be added on and removed to/from this vape? Or is this going to be a feature that's built into the unit it's self? thus probably making another vape?
I would LOVE a attachable/removable, separate module. I think that would be way cool, as something I've not seen before and it wouldn't reduce the reliability of the bullet proof main vape...
If you want to make a sister vape to this one with a power regulation built in that's cool too! But wouldn't that also be another vape model?
Really don't know which one i would want if i had to pick just one.(between 14m regulation vs 14m standard)... honestly hard to say, but i think I'd be comparing it more with the regular zion and thinking about form factors and bowl size instead of regulated vs manual... also i think TOD does a much better idea of capturing the essence of "raw unregulated power"...
Not really sure what i should be thinking with model. It makes me think more along the lines conservation and "pocket" log... and manually driving it with a bunch of button feathering/surfing seems like a real drag. Least with TOD hanging around, IMO. I
So yeah... i don't know. Is this supposed to be like a mini TOD? I think regulation might be a big plus if not.
On the other hand maybe you just want this to REMAIN more of a bare bones, basic, inexpensive intro vape with price being the bottom line.... then maybe another sibling is the answer. And if so, may i have that sibling instead?
Maybe.
And lastly, being quite frank, I don't WANT you making any more vape models tell i have at least one of you're awesome crations in my hands dang it!!! Jk
Or you could maybe think about selling some prototypes and increase size of testing pool?
*wink wink/cough cough* Lol jk
When I have time I will detail the BRT product roadmap but there will be a voltage controlled device in the future so keep the ideas coming... #1 rule of brainstorming is no criticism... Please all let everyone's ideas flow and build on them don't tear them down. As Pak said Karma and I will sort out what we deem usable.
Moving forward RBT will be using Desired Outcomes to gather marketing intelligence. In a nutshell it is a method in that the customer tells of the environment the device is used in and what it needs to do rather than giving design suggestions. This allows the customer to describe in detail what he wants the product to so and then the engineers who have a full understanding of the design space and technology can architect the best solution.... Look for a thread to start soon on the single battery voltage control unit.
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@RastaBuddhaTao Excited to see your new crations in the future 
sorry for jumping to off base conclusions that don't really make any sense.
Honestly not into ecigs at all really (most all juice taste nasty, IME), but some of these new mods chips are very impressive!
Anyway, I think most of the variable voltage rabble is just anxiety over how this one's going to come "tuned"... Lots of people have very different vaping styles and being able to adjust that tuning (even just a little) really helps ease that new vape anxiety, perhaps too effectively.
I'm sure it's going to be grate!
@phattpiggie sorry i haven't had time to look at all
Here is the one i seen on fasttech. ~$9
https://m.fasttech.com/products/302...oltage-kick-module-for-mechanical-mod#related
The idea was that maybe you could set the center on the battery and move the battery door handle/contact over to touch the kickers side pins...
I think it will work, other then holding it in place...
2 Drawbacks though:
Has a magnetic fuse, but no current limit or anything posted... (but a user reported its limited to 7 or 8 amps.)
Also has a 30sec firing time limit.
sorry for jumping to off base conclusions that don't really make any sense.Honestly not into ecigs at all really (most all juice taste nasty, IME), but some of these new mods chips are very impressive!
Anyway, I think most of the variable voltage rabble is just anxiety over how this one's going to come "tuned"... Lots of people have very different vaping styles and being able to adjust that tuning (even just a little) really helps ease that new vape anxiety, perhaps too effectively.
I'm sure it's going to be grate!
@phattpiggie sorry i haven't had time to look at all
Here is the one i seen on fasttech. ~$9
https://m.fasttech.com/products/302...oltage-kick-module-for-mechanical-mod#related
The idea was that maybe you could set the center on the battery and move the battery door handle/contact over to touch the kickers side pins...
I think it will work, other then holding it in place...
2 Drawbacks though:
Has a magnetic fuse, but no current limit or anything posted... (but a user reported its limited to 7 or 8 amps.)
Also has a 30sec firing time limit.
Well that's a cool little bugger. Might be able to shove that and an 18350 in the manual to make it voltage regulated. Once we get deeper into development we can take some current readings to get a better idea of the power we are pulling. We will need that data to size the integrated voltage regulation chip similar to the Zion chip that we will be using in our voltage regulated stealth version that we will develop next... In fact, @thekarmawhore is already at work laying out the major components and custom PCBA. With the use of a custom PCBA board we hope to keep the cost down by directly mounting the fire button, battery terminals, Voltage adjustment potentiometer, reverse polarity protection, low battery cut-off and IC thereby reducing the price in ease to our customers. Thus the reason for my questions a few post back.@RastaBuddhaTao Excited to see your new crations in the future
Honestly not into ecigs at all really (most all juice taste nasty, IME), but some of these new mods chips are very impressive!
Anyway, I think most of the variable voltage rabble is just anxiety over how this one's going to come "tuned"... Lots of people have very different vaping styles and being able to adjust that tuning (even just a little) really helps ease that new vape anxiety, perhaps too effectively.
I'm sure it's going to be grate!
@phattpiggie sorry i haven't had time to look at all
Here is the one i seen on fasttech. ~$9
https://m.fasttech.com/products/302...oltage-kick-module-for-mechanical-mod#related
The idea was that maybe you could set the center on the battery and move the battery door handle/contact over to touch the kickers side pins...
I think it will work, other then holding it in place...
2 Drawbacks though:
Has a magnetic fuse, but no current limit or anything posted... (but a user reported its limited to 7 or 8 amps.)
Also has a 30sec firing time limit.
If you try out one of these kickers let the thread know how it works.
ragnorokk
DERP
So... For a SuperStealth Zion, I like that old discussion of Stainless Steel air path. With that in mind, your mp could be integrated, removable, or an integrated removable stem, like that new Vapir (though I hope I never have to liken anything I want to a Vapir product, ever again) has. Then you can get all creative with the air path to cool the air, silly straw style.My travels through the e-cig world lead me to the current Zion chip. Conduction vaporizing needs a ton of power running from 30 - 50 watts depending on the unit. This is challenging in the e-cig world as the pens with the small kicker boards typically cap out at below these thresholds. Once you get in these power requirement ranges you need step up into the box mods. Even then you have to be careful because many of the units will deliver the power for the 3 seconds required for a e-cig juice hit but many will overheat after 10 or 15 seconds of continual on time. There are a ton of cheap Chinese chips out there but we opted for one of the best IC companies in the world for our chip... did you see we baked it for 5 hours at 150 F. It cost 4 times most DC to DC converters but electronics is the one area not to cut corners if you want happy customers.
Now, outside a boost / buck chip, guys run stacked 18650's straight up manual and this is what the new single and dual battery units are doing. This is raw power straight from the battery to the heater. We have some other clever control ideas kicking around but they need some R&D work. The challenge with most design concepts that fill the void between running manual and a regulated voltage chip is they cost nearly as much and don't do it nearly as well as a DC/DC chipset. The main issue is the most viable option is a voltage regulator but they just trim off the top to buck the voltage down and they rest is waste heat making a very inefficient device.
So, once we start to design the full featured model where do you want the smaller button, where do you want the thumb wheel for voltage control, do you want a wood cap? Do you want the stem to be integrated into the body like the PAX or is that too much complexity and another thing to break? Dou you want a place to stash the mouthpiece in the unit or will that make it too big? would you like to have a separate smell proof wooden cylinder that holds the mouthpiece and some stash? The chip and wiring will take up a fair amount of room even if we mount it to a custom PCBA so can the unit stand to get bigger? All great stuff to crownbrain on.
BTW... added lifetime warranty for the first 50 units
As for the voltage dial, I think the aesthetics of the Zion dial are nice. Knobs/dials ftw.
As for the kicker discussion... Isn't it better to buck down from 2 batteries, than boost up from 1?
Glad to see you guys are already working on the PCA!
@phattpiggie that steampunk mod looks like it fires a cannon into your face, lol. Super cool looking metal work.
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@slatihe no worries thanks for looking anyway I will have to go on a kick module trip and see what else I can find.
@ragnorokk there are thousands of ideas out there. i image search everything and usually go completely off track. I would rather look at a page of pictures and fewer words than the other way round.
@RastaBuddhaTao that all sounds good to me. I've informed Mrs.PP that I may end up spending many a winters evening in the shed, with the woodburner on, when the 18650 single is released. I've kept a bit of every weed I've come across so far this year for just such an occasion.
@ragnorokk there are thousands of ideas out there. i image search everything and usually go completely off track. I would rather look at a page of pictures and fewer words than the other way round.
@RastaBuddhaTao that all sounds good to me. I've informed Mrs.PP that I may end up spending many a winters evening in the shed, with the woodburner on, when the 18650 single is released. I've kept a bit of every weed I've come across so far this year for just such an occasion.
Krazzykid
Well-Known Member
I just snagged my spot on the pre-order for this. I couldn't pass it up at the current price.
I will be checking in from time to time. Hopefully someone will post some in use videos before long, please.
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I am still optimistic about the Grasshopper, but I think I have a good chance of getting this first.
I will be checking in from time to time. Hopefully someone will post some in use videos before long, please.
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I am still optimistic about the Grasshopper, but I think I have a good chance of getting this first.
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Nice nice.
Quick heads up from the beta team, as of now RBT is switching this 14mm manual single battery mini to an 18mm manual single battery mini to maintain the superior wide open airflow that Zion OG and dual battery manual TOD enjoy, also keeps everything standard size without sacrificing stealth (short stems still coming, along with some other nifty ideas...)
So just like Zion, but set to one voltage so you control temp by length if preheat or instant, feathering or pulsing trigger, and ofcourse with your draw, now that airflow will be more open & controllable (also may allow for a dual 18350 TOD hack, unleashing the beast in the Mini...)
More to come soon
Quick heads up from the beta team, as of now RBT is switching this 14mm manual single battery mini to an 18mm manual single battery mini to maintain the superior wide open airflow that Zion OG and dual battery manual TOD enjoy, also keeps everything standard size without sacrificing stealth (short stems still coming, along with some other nifty ideas...)
So just like Zion, but set to one voltage so you control temp by length if preheat or instant, feathering or pulsing trigger, and ofcourse with your draw, now that airflow will be more open & controllable (also may allow for a dual 18350 TOD hack, unleashing the beast in the Mini...)
More to come soon
All true... First, thanks to the Beta team for the insane amount of work that they are doing behind the scenes as it has lead to this amazing advancement in the single battery manual unit.
The 14 mm glass is flow restrictive and load limiting. In comparison to the 18 mm it is actually quiet disappointing as compared to the Zion as noted by @pakalolo attested... You know he has written papers on convection right?
This change will not increase the size of the unit as we recessed the 14 mm and will not recess the 18 mm to make up the 4 mm difference. We have also tested an ultra short stem and due to the heaters cool vapor it isn't hot or harsh, in fact due to the more uniform vaporization / ABV the 18 mm actually is less harsh than the 14 mm.
Part of the signature of RBT is the insane power and wide open flow path and the 14 mm is just to small to satisfy the Mantra of "desktop power in the palm of your hand"
With the generous flow path comes better temperature control such that it is just a matter of how long you hold th button down ... Minimal pulsing and stirring are great attributes of the bigger glass.
Although not tuned to run like the TOD you will be able to buy a TOD kit that will contain a spacer required to run two 18350's nearly doubling the available power... That one is for you HD and any of our customers that want to grip it and rip it TOD style.
This seems like a win/win situation but if any of our pre-orders are not happy with this change of direction we offer a full refund.
If you have been around he RBT threads at all you know that the only guarantee is rapid change so if you jump in on the the pre-order for either of the manual units hold on tight and enjoy the ride.
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
You mean two 18350s though right?
I can absolutely attest to the effectiveness of the 18mm, perfect size for bowl and airflow, very versatile and durable.
Plus with the body size remaining the same thanks to no recession just like OG Zion betas there seem to be zero sacrifice here, all gain
ragnorokk
DERP
I may just be an extremely vocal minority, but providing the ability to swap your personalized mouthpiece between all your RBT devices while simultaneously drastically improving performance of the device seems like a no brainer. I am pleased with parts compatibility (batteries, glass) and sharing (Zion button and heater tech) across the whole line.
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