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scion34

scion34

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steama said:
Personally I think the coil is a non issue considering the relatively low temps you are running a S4 at. The coil would certainly not be my first concern especially if there is a decent warranty.
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I run my SV3 at 400F usually, that’s only 200F or so cooler than what I run my FP at, we’re not that much cooler in the grand scheme of things. These coils will fail, and how it looks, you won’t be able to easily replace them yourselves.
 
biohacker

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shaolinmilk said:
Performance wise, I agree with you 100% that it's worth it based on that alone. However when you're selling to new customers who have never experienced the SV3, I'm pretty certain they won't be too excited seeing the price tag at $300~ for an aluminum piece and a pid controller. For this price, I would think it would come with maybe a water piece, a glass mouthpiece perhaps, something to hold the vaporizer in place when not being used and a case for the entire thing. That way, it would look more like a premium product that is definitely worth the $300 price tag. Even then, I always felt like what separated the SV3 from other products is performance to price ratio. It was extremely affordable while delivering top-notch vapor even $600 vaporizers cannot compete with.
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I totally agree, perhaps for another manufacturer. However I don't think that perhaps new customers are that important at this point? These custom made Lambos may be quite limited in their production, are extremely difficult to manufacture, and are priced at their price point for a reason. There isn't any fancy marketing, advertising, etc. He did plan at one point early on to include a "kit" with a glass piece, etc. but obviously plans have changed. The Dually goes for $200 right? $95 more for a digital version with gfci? I'm good with it being worth it based on performance alone, and these are the people I hope become customers of the SV4.

steama said:
I think the S4 is at the perfect price point considering how this thing is going to deliver thick reliable vapor. Once the milk shots and videos come rolling in people will realize exactly what a beast this S4 is. When this occurs the fair price of 300 clams comes into clear focus.

Once the S4 bomb drops look out!
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Could not agree more! Watch out for those pics and videos! :rockon:

scion34 said:
I’m surprised no one else has commented about the apparent lack of serviceability with the coil, that’s what scares me about the price, how quickly and often will this turn into a $300 paperweight requiring a trip home. If repairs are even an option? That itself even scares me a bit, Ed’s not the timeliest of manufactures when it comes to communication and shipping turn arounds...
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scion34 said:
I run my SV3 at 400F usually, that’s only 200F or so cooler than what I run my FP at, we’re not that much cooler in the grand scheme of things. These coils will fail, and how it looks, you won’t be able to easily replace them yourselves
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So send it back to Ed and he'll hook you up? :shrug:

Just my :2c: but based on your posts it sounds like the SV4 may not be right for you, at this time. I'd also suggest avoiding the Grasshopper!
 
scion34

scion34

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biohacker said:
So send it back to Ed and he'll hook you up? :shrug:

Just my :2c: but based on your posts it sounds like the SV4 may not be right for you, at this time. I'd also suggest avoiding the Grasshopper!
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@biohacker The SV4 may not be right for me because I'm pointing out what I feel is a design issue, on a vape that as of right now none of us has likely used? I'm sorry that I'm not %100 over the moon on the bandwagon like everyone else on this thread, however isn't that the point of this forum, to voice our criticisms and concerns, along with praise when its deserved? This is no longer the same tank of a device like the SV3 is, and thats why I'm voicing myself. I love my SV3, but you have more here than just a battery to occasionally replace with this newest version, and I would just like to see that coil user replaceable.
 
biohacker

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scion34 said:
The SV4 may not be right for me because I'm pointing out what I feel is a design issue, on a vape that as of right now none of us has likely used? I'm sorry that I'm not %100 over the moon on the bandwagon like everyone else on this thread, however isn't that the point of this forum, to voice our criticisms and concerns, along with praise when its deserved?
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I totally agree, it just seems to me that you are panicking somewhat IMO. There is no design issue. Ed has our backs.

scion34 said:
I love my SV3, but you have more here than just a battery to occasionally replace with this newest version, and I would just like to see that coil user replaceable
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And this is another reason why the SV4 may not be for you. I don't think you will ever see that coil be user replaceable.
 
blackstone

blackstone

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110% it would be great if we can work something out for 220V!
A retailer in EU is looking for $550 for FP starter kit, and $860 for the other one,
so SV4 seems a more realistic price so far for the potential it offers.

As for coil failure out of warranty, they might sell the coil/heat exchanger part separately so it wont be the full $300 for a whole kit if that did occur.
Or they might fit a new coil for you.
 
JCat

JCat

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blackstone said:
110% it would be great if we can work something out for 220V!
A retailer in EU is looking for $550 for FP starter kit, and $860 for the other one,
so SV4 seems a more realistic price so far for the potential it offers.

As for coil failure out of warranty, they might sell the coil/heat exchanger part separately so it wont be the full $300 for a whole kit if that did occur.
Or they might fit a new coil for you.
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I want the coil and heat exchanger and bowls separately :)
 
biohacker

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Dubmonkey

Dubmonkey

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Cool. Looks like a sleeve and heating coil slips inside the sleeve welded to the side of the SV4 body. Hoping Ed is just tapping two holes to put bolts through to hold the heat coil in place. Then all the earlier concerns about being able to replace coils is out the window and gives the option to use a coil that works with your favorite PID.
 
biohacker

biohacker

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Good Sunday Morning Supreme Vaporizer 4 Enthusiasts!

Just a couple of new facts....

  • Due to the SV4's large thermal mass, heatup time is 6.5 minutes.
  • Maximum coil temperature setting is 490f (255c).
  • 10mm flat coil is used and the coil/PID matter in terms of coil handle heat. Some would get extremely hot. (not sure if it's the coil design or PID causing this issue)
Dubmonkey said:
Cool. Looks like a sleeve and heating coil slips inside the sleeve welded to the side of the SV4 body. Hoping Ed is just tapping two holes to put bolts through to hold the heat coil in place. Then all the earlier concerns about being able to replace coils is out the window and gives the option to use a coil that works with your favorite PID.
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:tup: Don't think there are any bolts though. He just hammers notches in (2 of them) to keep the coil in place. I don't know how you would remove the coil though after it's locked in?

I still don't understand the concern about replacing the coil. Just like any other electronic device, that's what warranty is for.

 
Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

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biohacker said:
Good Sunday Morning Supreme Vaporizer 4 Enthusiasts!

Just a couple of new facts....

  • Due to the SV4's large thermal mass, heatup time is 6.5 minutes.
  • Maximum coil temperature setting is 490f (255c).
  • 10mm flat coil is used and the coil/PID matter in terms of coil handle heat. Some would get extremely hot. (not sure if it's the coil design or PID causing this issue)
:tup: Don't think there are any bolts though. He just hammers notches in (2 of them) to keep the coil in place. I don't know how you would remove the coil though after it's locked in?

I still don't understand the concern about replacing the coil. Just like any other electronic device, that's what warranty is for.
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Aluminum is very easily bendable. I have taken apart and back together the SV heater a few times :).
I dont see why coil replacement should be a problem for a determined user :D.
:)) You will just need to user pliers to lift up the area and then pressure back where the dots are after reinstall.
I guess that silicon sleeve is not a must for operation. It is not in the airpath but it is not far and it will smell for sure when heated.
 
biohacker

biohacker

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Abysmal Vapor said:
Aluminum is very easily bendable. I have taken apart and back together the SV heater a few times :).
I dont see why coil replacement should be a problem for a determined user :D.
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Agreed! Thanks for your input, that's great news!

Abysmal Vapor said:
I guess that silicon sleeve is not a must for operation. It is not in the airpath but it is not far and it will smell for sure when heated.
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Ed mentioned that at this time the SV4 only fits 18mm female pieces, so i'd assume that is needed for operation? How would it be different from the silicone on the present sv3's? It only smells when brand new for a few uses and then goes away.
 
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Mr. Whitewall

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I'm very interested as well!

:2c::
+1 For the 220V version.
+1 14mm joint, no silicone (+ normal glass 14/18 adapter for 18mm pieces?).
+1 Hex-Nail/etc/PID compatible? (no biggie if not).

Would that be even remotely possible?

Don't mind waiting for a second version, as I have other GAS investments planned for the near future, and considering EU versions will still take a little while to appear, since the device just came out?
 
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