The Pinnacle by Vaporblunt

[VaPeD&CoNfUsEd]

I wrote of the problem mine had. I used diluted 70% Ido on it and it still fogged. The plastic swelled and got kind of flakey like it was reacting to the iso. This was on the pong I never tried it on the regular mp. I'd give you pics but another fc member owns it now. The mouthpiece/pong fitment and ISO problems and the low temps were my only real gripes about the unit (other than gv only sent me 1 bullet).I love my wt though. I'll also add that this was the clear pong not the tinted (never got that one).

 

[t-dub]

fwiw here is mine. The material is permanently stained, fogged, flaking, and appears to be softening somewhat.

 

[TherealVaporblunt]

I think it means thanks in advance.

Thanks for the detailed responses!

Ha, I have to work on my abbreviations! If I only had kids they would probably know every question I ever have.

Edit: Here is the response from the head engineer. He lacks subtlety and it was intended for my eyes only so please do not take the tone offensively. He is just defending his work to me (in this case I am actually the unhappy customer). I want to be translucent so I am posting it unedited with the exception I took out our names and email addresses .

Hello,

I called you but it didn't connect!

The problem is NOT melting of PONG but as you indicated: degrading of PC (Polycarbonate plastic: Medical and Food (FDA) grade) by too much cleaning with alcohol and possibly over use!

Please call me when you have a moment since I have been using the Pro and I run it much hotter at level 4 and 5 for the battery testing without any issues!

We got to stop this; the Pinnacle tip *Mouth tip and PONG) is not melting since its heating core only runs at 410 degree which creates vapor at about 380 degree in the bullet chamber and temperature drops to about 265 around pong &? Mouth tip which is much lower than melting temperature of PC; I am taking Pro 60 degree higher than above temperatures and still running without any defects so I know it is the prolonged use of alcohol for cleaning and too much use!

Should we recommend that the mouthpiece need to be replaced same as certain autoclave-able medical and dental products that only can be sterilize for x number of time before the plastic gets degraded?

Again, I strongly object to issue of the fogging and melting of the parts! NO, we will not ignore the problem. In this case the problem lies elsewhere; in the the picture also I can see the the edges were chipped & broken off, caused by the alcohol damaging based on prolong use. We will need to see the unit ASAP to conform the plastic's grade but PC Plastic is not Melting at the current temperature of the Pinnacle!

Thanks,

 

[Breathemetal]

Whens the pro coming out?
And what will be different?
Will there be a vb pro?

 

[JoeKickass]

So it sounds like engineer ruled out heat and agrees that it could be chemical/iso related... I know acrylic doesn't have any problems with iso, will it stand the temperatures though?

 

[Dreamerr]

Ah anyone that knows me knows I don't over clean. I thing I may have swabbed it with a q-tip, never ever soaked cause others were having issues, less then ten times. If it can't hold up to that I still say it isn't good for our application. I am sure mine was used way more then you use them in testing so maybe over time is the issue.

Thanks for giving us the full answer from engineer tone and all . I still think he needs to look into other remedies after he comes to a conclusion with my piece. I don't think I would be comfortable buying another product if it can't be cleaned. I believe engineer said we can use iso but not soak with no issues. Again less then ten times and if I have to guess maybe five just using a q-tip and cleaning the collected oils off. It was also boiled once for five minutes way back when I got it as it was said that was ok as well. If we can't clean our vapes then they are useless to us.

I hope we can get real answers after mine is sent in.

 

[TherealVaporblunt]

Ah anyone that knows me knows I don't over clean. I thing I may have swabbed it with a q-tip, never ever soaked cause others were having issues, less then ten times. If it can't hold up to that I still say it isn't good for our application. I am sure mine was used way more then you use them in testing so maybe over time is the issue.

Thanks for giving us the full answer from engineer tone and all . I still think he needs to look into other remedies after he comes to a conclusion with my piece. I don't think I would be comfortable buying another product if it can't be cleaned. I believe engineer said we can use iso but not soak with no issues. Again less then ten times and if I have to guess maybe five just using a q-tip and cleaning the collected oils off. It was also boiled once for five minutes way back when I got it as it was said that was ok as well. If we can't clean our vapes then they are useless to us.

I hope we can get real answers after mine is sent in.

This engineer is the head fwiw, engineering is an employee that works under him. I will look into all causes and let you know.

 

[Timothy]

There are NO excuses when it comes to health & safety, it seems like board members are satisfied with just any generic response from a manufacturer, lets not forget that most of these people are just here for advertisement and could care less about the vape community, ofcourse some do care and you can spot them just by reading the threads.

With the availability of high temperature plastics and the mark up on these portable vaporizers (my guess is they cost no more than $20 to produce) there is no reason these people should not be using the safest material possible.

Here is a quote from an online plastics supplier:
High-Temperature Plastics and Ceramics are available from Professional Plastics. High-temperature plastics are typically classified as materials that can exceed 300 F in continuous operating temperature. These materials include products such as Vespel, Torlon, PEEK, Teflon, Rulon, Meldin, Celazole & Macor. Each material is suited to different applications due to variations in strength, wear-resistance, corrosion resistance

 

[CentiZen]

I wholeheartedly agree that there is no excuse when it comes to safety. However, from reading your post I have to come to the conclusion that you either have not read, or do not understand the circumstances surrounding this issue. Or understand this community as whole, for that matter.

If the issue was directly related to the heat of the Pinnacle/Vaporization in general, then the issue would be massively widespread, experienced by most heavy users of the devices and have been come upon much earlier in the life of this vaporizer. The fact is, it is not.

Engineering would have mouthpieces melting right away on the higher temperature pro version if it was. The issue here (tentatively) is the chemical reaction some PonG mouthpieces have had when used with unknown brands of rubbing alcohol or other cleaners. So I fail to see how that completely out of context quote has any bearing on this situation.

As well, I don't know if you have noticed or not, but there are hundreds of vaporizer companies out there. However, we only have a handful of vaporizer companies that are taking part in the community. There are very few companies that are willing to subject themselves to the ravenous wolves of discerning vapor that reside here. Marketing can be done much cheaper, and easier elsewhere, where there aren't hundreds of people with engineering, scientific and medical experience willing to speak their mind of a product.

The companies who are here do care about the community of people using their product. The ones who aren't, are the ones who want to take the path of least resistance and take out an add in High Times to reach a sample size of hundreds more than you could ever get here.

I have an incredible amount of respect for VaporBlunt, VapeXhale, the log vape guys and everyone else I am forgetting because they constantly go out of their way to be a part of the community. And they constantly put up with ridiculous shit from users like yourself who simply don't understand the issues at hand but whip themselves up into a self righteous tizzy nonetheless. And then claim they don't care about us. I can see why so many companies choose to pass us by...

 

[overvaped]

Hi Dreamerr et al.,
as you may remember, I posted some photos of my ruined mouthpiece in this post.
As I explained there, alcohol caused the damage. I'd say t-dub's mp looks more or less the same, yours not so much...does it?

 

[Dreamerr]

When I saw those pics and joe's long ago I looked at mine and said it was a build up of oils. I didn't in any way think it was deteriorating. Mine is actually not flat at the round part as you can see from the pics. That is serious deterioration.

As a heavy user of this vape and most of mine I guess I got it to the next level...not on purpose...and it is badly deteriorating by the assumption engineer is making and more then likely correct. The bigger issue is I don't clean as much as some of you even though I use it a lot. I only clean when I can't stick my finger nail under the rim and get the pong off. I also have only cleaned it once to the point where it was loose like when we got it. So it truly is a quick swab of the extra oils holding it down.

As an added thought my rim with screen looked like your pics way back when I was testing this unit and had used zero iso on it. I am not convinced it is iso unless the oil build up and the deterioration look the same. In the same respect if you wipe off the body will that deteriorate as well? We often have sticky hands and that needs an iso wipe now and again as well. A wet cloth will not take off that sticky stuff.

Since a bunch of vapes use this type of plastic has anyone ever had any issues like this before? If so please explain.

 

[pakalolo]

I wholeheartedly agree that there is no excuse when it comes to safety. However, from reading your post I have to come to the conclusion that you either have not read, or do not understand the circumstances surrounding this issue. Or understand this community as whole, for that matter.

If the issue was directly related to the heat of the Pinnacle/Vaporization in general, then the issue would be massively widespread, experienced by most heavy users of the devices and have been come upon much earlier in the life of this vaporizer. The fact is, it is not.

Engineering would have mouthpieces melting right away on the higher temperature pro version if it was. The issue here (tentatively) is the chemical reaction some PonG mouthpieces have had when used with unknown brands of rubbing alcohol or other cleaners. So I fail to see how that completely out of context quote has any bearing on this situation.

As well, I don't know if you have noticed or not, but there are hundreds of vaporizer companies out there. However, we only have a handful of vaporizer companies that are taking part in the community. There are very few companies that are willing to subject themselves to the ravenous wolves of discerning vapor that reside here. Marketing can be done much cheaper, and easier elsewhere, where there aren't hundreds of people with engineering, scientific and medical experience willing to speak their mind of a product.

The companies who are here do care about the community of people using their product. The ones who aren't, are the ones who want to take the path of least resistance and take out an add in High Times to reach a sample size of hundreds more than you could ever get here.

I have an incredible amount of respect for VaporBlunt, VapeXhale, the log vape guys and everyone else I am forgetting because they constantly go out of their way to be a part of the community. And they constantly put up with ridiculous shit from users like yourself who simply don't understand the issues at hand but whip themselves up into a self righteous tizzy nonetheless. And then claim they don't care about us. I can see why so many companies choose to pass us by...

My name is pakalolo and I endorse this message.

I would have written it myself but you saved me the trouble. Thanks.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

so i would like to say that i have had flaking and staining as well. i have only used 70% iso with a q-tip. basically a thin clear circle of plastic came off the mp where the plastic meets the screen. this was about a month after i received the pn and used it 4-6 times a day. im not sure why i did not mention it on FC i thought it might have been something i had done and was not too concerned.

i have not had any fogging but i am gentle when cleaning. i have not had anymore plastic flake off since but it has also been a while since it was cleaned.

just wanted to share my experience and point out that i also had the same problem

thanks trvb

 

[satyrday]

I wonder if the affected pongs and mouthpieces were boiled to clean at some point and if that didn't alter them degrading the plastic. Could that be the variable? Seems I remember some boiling being mentioned before.

 

[slowandsteady]

Maybe it is dependent upon certain brands of isopropyl, temperature of the mouthpiece when cleaned, temperature of the isopropyl when used, etc. There has to be some kind of common variable.

 

[Timothy]

I wholeheartedly agree that there is no excuse when it comes to safety. However, from reading your post I have to come to the conclusion that you either have not read, or do not understand the circumstances surrounding this issue. Or understand this community as whole, for that matter.

If the issue was directly related to the heat of the Pinnacle/Vaporization in general, then the issue would be massively widespread, experienced by most heavy users of the devices and have been come upon much earlier in the life of this vaporizer. The fact is, it is not.

Engineering would have mouthpieces melting right away on the higher temperature pro version if it was. The issue here (tentatively) is the chemical reaction some PonG mouthpieces have had when used with unknown brands of rubbing alcohol or other cleaners. So I fail to see how that completely out of context quote has any bearing on this situation.

As well, I don't know if you have noticed or not, but there are hundreds of vaporizer companies out there. However, we only have a handful of vaporizer companies that are taking part in the community. There are very few companies that are willing to subject themselves to the ravenous wolves of discerning vapor that reside here. Marketing can be done much cheaper, and easier elsewhere, where there aren't hundreds of people with engineering, scientific and medical experience willing to speak their mind of a product.

The companies who are here do care about the community of people using their product. The ones who aren't, are the ones who want to take the path of least resistance and take out an add in High Times to reach a sample size of hundreds more than you could ever get here.

I have an incredible amount of respect for VaporBlunt, VapeXhale, the log vape guys and everyone else I am forgetting because they constantly go out of their way to be a part of the community. And they constantly put up with ridiculous shit from users like yourself who simply don't understand the issues at hand but whip themselves up into a self righteous tizzy nonetheless. And then claim they don't care about us. I can see why so many companies choose to pass us by...

Normally I wouldn't reply to such a combative post but I feel compelled since I happen to be one of those members with....I would say better than average knowledge of toxins and diseases. When I post a message, it will usually be help, not to attack another members opinion such as you just did. I understand you have been here longer but please do not assume I have not read the thread.

From my perspective, Vapor Blunt could mold the mouthpiece over stainless steel, like the EasyValve. Any plastics that come into direct contact with heat which is then inhaled is certainly not the best solution.

 

[TherealVaporblunt]

There are NO excuses when it comes to health & safety, it seems like board members are satisfied with just any generic response from a manufacturer, lets not forget that most of these people are just here for advertisement and could care less about the vape community, ofcourse some do care and you can spot them just by reading the threads.

With the availability of high temperature plastics and the mark up on these portable vaporizers (my guess is they cost no more than $20 to produce) there is no reason these people should not be using the safest material possible.

Here is a quote from an online plastics supplier:
High-Temperature Plastics and Ceramics are available from Professional Plastics. High-temperature plastics are typically classified as materials that can exceed 300 F in continuous operating temperature. These materials include products such as Vespel, Torlon, PEEK, Teflon, Rulon, Meldin, Celazole & Macor. Each material is suited to different applications due to variations in strength, wear-resistance, corrosion resistance

With all due respect, almost everything you said is wrong. We work off margins so small you wouldn't believe me if I told you. A lot of you may or may not be surprised by this based on your understanding of my capital, but I have officially made 0 dollars and 0 cents so far off Vaporblunt. Instead I have continued to bet on myself and try to change the game. I have 467 posts, if you read them you will see there is not much more that I care about in the whole world other than "the community"

Thanks for having my back centizen and Pak, but my record really speaks for itself. I have only talked about my non combusting contributions to the community on this site, but if you are older than 19 there is a great chance you have smoked or vaped out of something that has my fingerprints all over it. I have been changing the way people smoke/vape for 15 years. I can take constructive criticism but I can not let the insinuation go that I am only here to advertise my $20 vape. I am here because if I didn't make vapes I would still be here. I am here because its where I belong, not because its where I want to be. Do you think I like putting myself and my partners life on the screen for random ridicule? I'm just being real here, I have over 450 posts to back that up. Read about me, you will see I always act in the interest of the customer

 

[JoeKickass]

Any plastics that come into direct contact with heat which is then inhaled is certainly not the best solution.

You're thinking in smoker terms (bowls can't be plastic, but bongs certainly can!)

It's all about operating temperature, if you do the math right, you can use plastics in pretty hot places.

Think about the mflb cover and solo body

 

[TherealVaporblunt]

You're thinking in smoker terms (bowls can't be plastic, but bongs certainly can!)

It's all about operating temperature, if you do the math right, you can use plastics in pretty hot places.

Think about the mflb cover and solo body

Also volcano and inh right? I am pretty sure underneath the stainless looking sticker that inh uses PES, I apologize in advance if I'm wrong as I have never actually held an inh in my hands or read their thread.

All I can do is trust my engineers because I am not one, but with that said I use engineers in SoCal not china to avoid problems exactly like the ones we are currently discussing. I would bet my life saving, or I guess I should say I HAVE bet my life's savings that my engineers aren't fools and understand that if people smoke plastic it may be counterproductive to this whole "healthy alternative" thing we have going over here......

Edit: what is iolite and davinci made from?

 

[pakalolo]

Normally I wouldn't reply to such a combative post but I feel compelled since I happen to be one of those members with....I would say better than average knowledge of toxins and diseases. When I post a message, it will usually be help, not to attack another members opinion such as you just did. I understand you have been here longer but please do not assume I have not read the thread.

From my perspective, Vapor Blunt could mold the mouthpiece over stainless steel, like the EasyValve. Any plastics that come into direct contact with heat which is then inhaled is certainly not the best solution.

Centizen said nothing about your knowledge of toxins and diseases. Neither did you. You are attempting an argument by declared authority, except that the points he was making have nothing to do with your field, so to use the words of the internet, your argument is invalid. He didn't assume that you hadn't read the thread, he assumed that if you had then you hadn't grasped it, and I agree with him.

 

[Timothy]

You're thinking in smoker terms (bowls can't be plastic, but bongs certainly can!)

It's all about operating temperature, if you do the math right, you can use plastics in pretty hot places.

Think about the mflb cover and solo body

Believe me my friend, I work in directly with diseases and have extensive knowledge of what is safe for the human body, hot air coming out of a 300-400F chamber directly onto any plastic is not ideal for inhalation.

Yes plastics can be mechanically stable in hot places but it doesn't mean you should inhale from them.

 

[JoeKickass]

hot air coming out of a 300-400F chamber is not ideal.

True enough you definitely get a dry/irritated throat with dry vapor (mild compared to smoking)


But I bet I could do this all day long

 

[TherealVaporblunt]

Believe me my friend, I work in directly with diseases and have extensive knowledge of what is safe for the human body, hot air coming out of a 300-400F chamber is not ideal.

Yes plastics can be mechanically stable in hot places but it doesn't mean you should inhale from them.

So is the iolite/inh/volcano/davinci/20 vapes I have never heard of all unsafe? How could a vape ever function without the ability to inhale from a chamber that is 300-400f that contains hot air? In this case I do believe I may be the authority, vaporization can not occur without 300-400 degrees of hot air

 

[astarnes]

i have to say that i use my pinnacle without a mouthpiece and it doesnt burn my mouth at all so i dont understand how it could degrade the FDA plastic MP with heat there absolutely has to be another cause behind this

 

[Breathemetal]

I use my vaporblunt 2.0 without my mouthpiece as well and vape at 4-5 ALL the time, I NEVER use 1-3, they just are too weak for my tolerance threshold.

Ive never had anything burn/melt.
Then again i dont ever use ISO on it, I just scrub it with the pipe cleaners and a mflb brush. NOOO need for ISO ever, i dont know why people would want to soak their mouthpieces in ISO. The pipe cleaner does the job well enough as long as you dont let it get gunked up.