The Pinnacle by Vaporblunt

[TheHerbalReview]

I really hope FC members who own and LOVE their Pinnacles go to youtube and tell the Vape Critic that you disagree with his review. So far quite a few of the comments are "Thanks man, I'm not buying this vape now, etc" A lot of people respect his opinion, but I must say, I am no longer one of them.

Good luck man, I commented and said... "Although I agree with a majority of your reviews, I completely disagree about this review; the Pinnacle is a fine product." He has to approve comments, and as you could guess... mine didn't go through. So, unless you have something to say that directly reflects his opinion... it's not getting posted.

 

[Dreamerr]

Well that is just a bad reviewer then who only wants his one sided opinion heard. Can we say ego. I never liked his reviews and now I know he is just not a good reviewer. We all like and dislike different vapes and as long as you back your points up they are all correct because they are an opinion.

 

[sadf]

If form is more important than function in a vape then I think your wealthy friends have their priorities out of whack. Besides, I am not sure if a company that goes by the name "VaporBlunt" is really going after the guy driving the Maserati, but I could be wrong. The PN is not going to win any awards for being a work of art but I'll take function over form any day - and that is where this so-called Vape Critic got it all wrong.

Having said all that, I still think it is a great looking portable. Not perfect in finish and materials but highly functional.

Build quality is important, its not superficial.

I'm searching for a good convection vape at the moment and looked into the Pinnacle due to the water tower add on. I've seen many issues relating to build quality such as loose parts and that is a very real issue. This thing costs about two hundred dollars and doesn't do anything special that can't be found in many other vaporizers at its price point. Poor build quality on a device that still performs its basic function can be forgiven when that shoddy quality is offset by low price, but forgiven on a $200 unit?

Not so much.

 

[chad]

If form is more important than function in a vape then I think your wealthy friends have their priorities out of whack. Besides, I am not sure if a company that goes by the name "VaporBlunt" is really going after the guy driving the Maserati, but I could be wrong. [...]

I should have been more clear. When I said wealthy, I just meant people with good jobs who can afford to live in Manhattan, not necessarily people with $150k cars. I don't travel in circles that high. More specific to this conversation, they're the kind of people who'd buy a Vespa or a Mac Pro instead of a Honda or a Dell. I'm not saying that this is the market VB needs to serve, just that that market exists and the Vape Critic is probably representative of them to some degree.

Good luck man, I commented and said... "Although I agree with a majority of your reviews, I completely disagree about this review; the Pinnacle is a fine product." He has to approve comments, and as you could guess... mine didn't go through. So, unless you have something to say that directly reflects his opinion... it's not getting posted.

This is lame as hell and makes me regret defending him. I HATE when people censor their comments. It doesn't change my opinion about his reviews, but it does change my opinion about him as a person.

 

[Crohnie]

I just noticed on the Vape Critic's web page that he places the Pinnacle just ahead of the ATMOS RAW. Atmos Raw?!?

 

[Shmoo]

I just noticed on the Vape Critic's web page that he places the Pinnacle just ahead of the ATMOS RAW. Atmos Raw?!?

What still blows my mind is that he gave the mflb an 85 while he gave the palm a 30. That's mflb fanboyism right there...

 

[Dreamerr]

We are giving this guy way to much press. I choose to forget he exists and go back to the vapes I like and ignore the ones I don't.

 

[Crohnie]

Quite right, Dreamer. I must say if you don't own the PONG mouthpiece already, get one. IMO, it significantly out performs the regular mouthpiece.

 

[Dreamerr]

Glad you are liking the pong crohnie. I knew you would like it better but it was hard to explain in the review how much of a better experience it is. I still think the regular mouth piece is great for extreme stealth situations since you get very little to no seen vapor expelled.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

hmmm i might have to order a pong

 

[Dreamerr]

Rose if you like your PN then you need to get the pong cause it brings it to a whole new level. If you are just ok the PN is an ok vape then I wouldn't bother.

 

[Crohnie]

hmmm i might have to order a pong

Having used my PONG mouthpiece for the past 2 days after using the regular one for 6 weeks, I wish I had gotten the PONG sooner. Dreamer makes two great points. The regular mouthpiece is ideal for extreme stealth...the vapor is less and smells less. But the PONG really brings vaping with the Pinnacle to a whole new level. The airflow is much better and the clouds are significantly bigger and denser. This gives you the ability to finish off your bullet sooner if you wish, saving battery life. The hits on high have me choking. (i'm a veteran stoner) I imagine the water tool mellows that out considerably.

IMO, most of the PN's small learning curve is a result of the regular mouthpiece. That's why I prefer a really open airflow. Maybe it's my imagination, but I think the more restrictive the airflow in a vape, the larger the learning curve will be. IMO, the more open the airflow is in a vape, the more control you have...temp, density of clouds, etc. The PONG really provides that.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

wow i guess i need to get the pong. dreamerr the pn is the only vape i have atm and i love it. though since i always like having 2 vapes in rotation the pn will get a friend in a month or two. i think i see a log vape in my future lol

crohnie i like your point about being able to finish the bullet quicker. most of the time i like to sit and take it slow but sometimes you just need to get where you need to be.

my favorite thing about the pn is the efficiency i pack it about half way and get 2 full sessions sometimes 3.

i am conserving much more then when i had my solo. i wish i still had it to do a side by side comparison. i imagine i would still use the pn more often simply because every bowl goes so much further.

one last thing on the discusion of materials. i think the pn feels solid and well put together. the mp isn't perfectly snug but that does not bother me. as i have said in other threads i ordered an xp that was doa and exchanged it for the pn. the one thing i noticed about the xp was that it was extremely light too light. i know it seems weird but it was the first thing i noticed. when i got my pn i liked that it had a little weight to it. im not trying to diss the xp i think they will be great hell there is a reason i ordered it lol!

 

[Dreamerr]

There must be a huge difference with the xp cause the 04 is heavier then the PN.
I do side by side with the solo ok not really but often use both at night cause I get bored using the same vape. For me they are the same because of the way I vape. I more often then not run a stem twice as well as a fully packed bullet and go full time with both and of course my serial hitting. I sometimes do it more relaxed. I checked once and it seems like a hit is about 5 seconds or so then having to blow out for a bit then inhale. It comes out to about 4-6 hits in a minute. I draw a bit harder on the PN but not much. Last night I packed the bullet way hard and it was a bit rough to draw but once it got going huge clouds. I rested maybe 5 minutes and did the next session to more big clouds woohoo.

Oh and let me add with my ridiculous silly long glass straw to further cool the vapor lol. A belated thank you for all who stuck up for me. I think that person has something against me if it is the same repeated person that comes on under new names to bash me like I ever do anything nasty ugh. People need a life I suppose.

 

[Rrose Selavy]

haha dreamerr dont let anyone bring you down. i must be a little slower because i get 2 sessions of half a bullet though i tend not to run it the whole time. when i had the solo i always ran it the whole session which is probably why the pinnacle seems more efficient to me.

 

[astarnes]

for people who have owned/used the pax and the pinnacle can you list the major strengths and weaknesses of each and state which one you prefer to take with you on the go?

 

[Shmoo]

for people who have owned/used the pax and the pinnacle can you list the major strengths and weaknesses of each and state which one you prefer to take with you on the go?

I don't own a Pax but comparisons have already been made several times in this thread. Basically what you need to know is that the Pinnacle is much more efficient than the Pax, due to it's smaller bowl size and convection-style of heating. The Pinnacle also tends to smell less and taste a lot better. The Pax is a bit more discrete than the Pinnacle and can get hotter (410 F instead of 390 F). By using the highest heat setting, you can get a faster session that's more similar to combustion than a session with the Pinnacle on high. You'll be able to extract a bit more from the herb on this temperature as well. At the same time however, you'll be going through your herb at a much higher rate.

EDIT: And I almost forgot, cleaning the Pinnacle is much easier and you're not required to do it nearly as often. The only weird thing is the mouthpiece and pong, but as long as you don't use over 70% iso on it they'll be fine. As far as build quality goes, the Pax is made with better materials I believe, but again it is much more prone to issues unless you clean it often and use the mouthpiece lubricant. The Pinnacle's mouthpiece and pong are a bit loose, although once they get ressed up a bit, they tend to be tighter. It's easier to turn the Pinnacle on in your pocket as well.

 

[KC]

Shmoo - nice job summarizing the comparison - I respectfully disagree on the taste. Both of them taste great, but I actually think the Pax is a little tastier. Just my opinion of course

Overall, I prefer the Pinnacle.

 

[Crohnie]

for people who have owned/used the pax and the pinnacle can you list the major strengths and weaknesses of each and state which one you prefer to take with you on the go?

Please keep in mind I do own both the Pax and the Pinnacle, and that this comparison is my SUBJECTIVE and humble OPINION.

1. Efficiency/Small Load vs Large: Pinnacle wins hands down. A bit less efficient than my log vape. Works well with small and big loads.
Pax's efficiency is poor, IMO. Goes through a LOT of herb. Doesn't work that well with small loads.

2. Taste: Pinnacle has the edge here.
Pax is good on low temp, fair on med, gross on high.

3. Clouds/Airflow: Pax wins on clouds, especially on high temp. Only fair on low temp. Airflow is VERY restricted.
Pinnacle's clouds are good, especially on high temp and with the PONG mouthpiece. Slight resistance in airflow...pretty open.

4. Battery life: Pax wins hands down...about an 1 hour 45 min in real life.
Pinnacle has 50 minutes battery life. Not bad, but needs improvement.

5. Warmup time: Pax wins handily...about twice as fast as the Pinnacle.
Pinnacle warm up time isn't bad, but could be improved.

5. Features: Pax has an edge w/3 temp settings, motion detector, battery life indicator, etc
Pinnacle has two temp settings, auto shutoff

6. Workmanship/Materials: Pax wins this one. High quality materials, excellent "fit and finish."
Pinnacle uses solid materials and good workmanship, except for the mouthpiece.

7. Ease of use/Learning curve: Pinnacle has a MUCH smaller learning curve. A bit easier to use than the Pax.
Pax has a rather steep learning curve, but otherwise is easy to use.

8. Size/Stealth. Pax 4.1 inches x 1.4 inches. Pinnacle 6 inches x 1 inch. Pax is slightly smaller overall.
Pax's appearance is very stealthy, but odor is not. Pinnacle is stealthy, VERY low odor factor.

9. Reliability/Problems: Pinnacle wins hands down. Rock solid.
Pax is below average. Mouthpiece, temp button/light, heat issues, etc.

10. Cleaning/Maintenance: Pinnacle wins hands down. Very little cleaning and maintenance.
Pax requires frequent and thorough cleaning.

11. Price/Value: Pax's $249 price is fair for the excellent materials and workmanship, but its inefficient use of herb gives it poor value.
Pinnacle's $229 price is a bit much, considering the materials. $160-175 would be more appropriate, IMO. Considering how little herb it uses and its rock solid reliability, the Pinnacle wins hands down in terms of value.

As far as using either on the go: I prefer taking my Pinnacle. I can pre-load bullets, and it has very low odor. 50 minute average battery life is a bummer. The Pax's appearance is, of course, VERY stealthy, but it has a high odor factor and getting good draws requires a bit more time and effort. Re-loading in public is not exactly easy or discreet. Great battery life.

 

[toros23]

Wow, that is a great write-up Crohnie! I have owned both and I agree with all of your points. Two things about the Pax that drove me crazy were those damn screens and the amount of material it took to fill the oven. I know others were able to overcome those issues but I much prefer the bullets to that damn Pax screen.

 

[Crohnie]

Wow, that is a great write-up Crohnie! I have owned both and I agree with all of your points. Two things about the Pax that drove me crazy were those damn screens and the amount of material it took to fill the oven. I know others were able to overcome those issues but I much prefer the bullets to that damn Pax screen.

Thanks, Toros! It's a bit long, but I do like to be thorough...especially since I ask other FC members all the time to compare 2 models.

 

[astarnes]

thank you guys i will take each of your opinions into consideration when i purchase my vape

 

[TherealVaporblunt]

Can someone tell me please, Is there a place on FC where people are discussing e liquid with nicotine? Where would be an appropriate place to discuss vaporblunt's soon to be involvement in the ejuice world?

 

[BongScott]

Having used my PONG mouthpiece for the past 2 days after using the regular one for 6 weeks, I wish I had gotten the PONG sooner. Dreamer makes two great points. The regular mouthpiece is ideal for extreme stealth...the vapor is less and smells less. But the PONG really brings vaping with the Pinnacle to a whole new level. The airflow is much better and the clouds are significantly bigger and denser. This gives you the ability to finish off your bullet sooner if you wish, saving battery life. The hits on high have me choking. (i'm a veteran stoner) I imagine the water tool mellows that out considerably.

IMO, most of the PN's small learning curve is a result of the regular mouthpiece. That's why I prefer a really open airflow. Maybe it's my imagination, but I think the more restrictive the airflow in a vape, the larger the learning curve will be. IMO, the more open the airflow is in a vape, the more control you have...temp, density of clouds, etc. The PONG really provides that.

I want one! Is VB's website the only place to buy the PonG mouthpiece or will local smoke shops carry them?

 

[Crohnie]

I want one! Is VB's website the only place to buy the PonG mouthpiece or will local smoke shops carry them?

Check out theyoyokid on Ebay. He sold me my PONG for $15, including shipping. They're not on his ebay site, but just ask him and let him know you're a Fuck Combustion member. He gives great service and fast shipping. You can get a PONG on TRVB's site, but it will cost you $21 including shipping.