The Official CannaBreak Thread
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Do you have any other vaporizers? I used a Volcano for years as a daily driver, but I don't consider it the most efficient vape.
Ein14Here
Microdosing
Sadly no, but my buddy and I were talking about a secondary vapor, if the Volcano don't work. I might consider getting magic flight launch box, since I'm getting a finisher grinder anyways, but the problem is it doesn't let you know the temperature and it might cause a combustion if done wrong.
My friend I just want the session to last an hour, cause in that time we watch games/youtube etc for enjoyment.
Any other vapor recommendations?
My friend I just want the session to last an hour, cause in that time we watch games/youtube etc for enjoyment.
Any other vapor recommendations?
Squiby
Well-Known Member
Get a Vapcap.
The brand name is Dynavap and their designed and manufactured in the states. They are brilliantly designed, tiny; the size of a cigarette and modular so you can switch out bodies, condensers etc for a different look, length and function. They are beautiful pieces and the all metal versions will likey last a lifetime.
There are no batteries to charge, keep track of or replace. No cords to get tangled or lost. They are very easy to clean and if you have a minute you can get stoned. This is not a session vape. It is perfect for microdosing, but it is versatile and can be used a variety of ways.
They can be heated by just about any heat source; a Bic lighter, a jet lighter, a campfire stick, a stove element, a candle, an induction heater if you don't like using flames and even a solar heater. It has a temperature indicating cap. You heat till it makes a clicking noise, then stop heating and toke away.
The Vapcaps are fantastic vaporizers. They are extremely efficient with your bud and you will surprised how little weed you will use to get the same effects. It handles flowers, hash and concentrates with ease.
Many FC members have sold their other vaporizers after discovering the Vapcap.
The basic model, call the M Vapcap is made from stainless steel and sells for $50. For under $100 you can get a Ti Woody Vapcap which sports and adjustable bowl titanium tip and a choice of beautiful wood bodies. The top of the line all titanium super lite Omnivap is a beast with a fully adjustable condenser for a set it and forget it experience. The Omnivap starts at around $160. All the models are great vaporizers. Choose the one that meets your budget and asthetics
Check out the thread...
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-778
Here's the Best of Thread
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-dynavap-vapcap.24345/
And the Dynavap website.
https://www.dynavap.com
Everyone should have at least one Vapcap.
The brand name is Dynavap and their designed and manufactured in the states. They are brilliantly designed, tiny; the size of a cigarette and modular so you can switch out bodies, condensers etc for a different look, length and function. They are beautiful pieces and the all metal versions will likey last a lifetime.
There are no batteries to charge, keep track of or replace. No cords to get tangled or lost. They are very easy to clean and if you have a minute you can get stoned. This is not a session vape. It is perfect for microdosing, but it is versatile and can be used a variety of ways.
They can be heated by just about any heat source; a Bic lighter, a jet lighter, a campfire stick, a stove element, a candle, an induction heater if you don't like using flames and even a solar heater. It has a temperature indicating cap. You heat till it makes a clicking noise, then stop heating and toke away.
The Vapcaps are fantastic vaporizers. They are extremely efficient with your bud and you will surprised how little weed you will use to get the same effects. It handles flowers, hash and concentrates with ease.
Many FC members have sold their other vaporizers after discovering the Vapcap.
The basic model, call the M Vapcap is made from stainless steel and sells for $50. For under $100 you can get a Ti Woody Vapcap which sports and adjustable bowl titanium tip and a choice of beautiful wood bodies. The top of the line all titanium super lite Omnivap is a beast with a fully adjustable condenser for a set it and forget it experience. The Omnivap starts at around $160. All the models are great vaporizers. Choose the one that meets your budget and asthetics
Check out the thread...
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-778
Here's the Best of Thread
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/best-of-dynavap-vapcap.24345/
And the Dynavap website.
https://www.dynavap.com
Everyone should have at least one Vapcap.
EverythingsHazy
Well-Known Member
A great vaporizer that can be used for long sessions or microdosing, is the E-Nano. Pair it up with a nice glass water piece, and you're set for the ultimate vaporizing experience. It makes dense clouds, is very efficient, and retains great flavor.
C No Ego
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look into the cannabimimetics to boost your receptor absorption capacity and effects...as an example, whole black peppercorn has the beta caryophyllene in it and that terpene directs how thc and cbd target receptors.. volatility rates determine absorption so the volatiles will signal first following heavie more stable thc/cbd..
omega 3 to 6 amounts to are of most importance as we make endocannabinoids naturally from omega three mostly but also the 6 and 9 up to a point... omega 3 is anti-oxidant and 6 and nine are oxidant causing..
I*'m sure you have heard the mango example too to eat it an hour before consuming cannabis,well it is the same concept to bio-direct heavier more stable compounds... I think mango has myrcene in it?
People moving into a canna tolerance break can use those cannabimimetics to git high with and not touch cannabis... same receptor targeting = same results just not as strong as cannabis... they are more peripherally aligned and not direct like the phyto-cannabinoids are
Hi @EverythingsHazy, sorry for replying to an old post of yours, but I was curious about these "amotivation" effects I sometimes see mentioned in studies. Did you find this was a noticable difference during your break? It is an issue I'm interested in, as I can suffer from it too, but I think for me it's more a case of low energy caused by not eating enough (which cannabis is helpful in countering). But it is something I've seen mentioned in passing, so I'd be curious whether it is a legitimate effect. I haven't seen any studies directly on this, but maybe they're out there somewhere.
Truth Seeker
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Hello all you good people! I just found this site a few days when trying to research vaping and health concerns and there's very, very little info on the internet regarding patients who vape and their health concerns with vaping. I'm on day 5 and I might not ever vape again as I got chest pains from it after only a few days and this was with the firefly 2, same thing happened a few months ago with the extreme Q balloon. As of today I think vaping is actually just as harmful as smoking and possibly might be more harmful for a large portion of the population. I'm very impressed with the intelligence and insights I've found on this forum! Kudos to all you good people for sharing your knowledge.
I hate to play devil's advocate in the vaping realm but I honestly think that long term cardio vascular and respiratory symptoms will present themselves to long time patients who are using this method of delivery. I'm not saying I'm correct in my assumptions but for myself to develop chest pains so quickly and read of many others here who encountered similar issues concerns me greatly. Again, I'm not saying I'm correct but I'm very cautious of any claims of vaping not being damaging to one's health.
I think one of the poll questions should be "going on a break for health reasons"
Why does vaping cause chest pains for many people?
I hate to play devil's advocate in the vaping realm but I honestly think that long term cardio vascular and respiratory symptoms will present themselves to long time patients who are using this method of delivery. I'm not saying I'm correct in my assumptions but for myself to develop chest pains so quickly and read of many others here who encountered similar issues concerns me greatly. Again, I'm not saying I'm correct but I'm very cautious of any claims of vaping not being damaging to one's health.
I think one of the poll questions should be "going on a break for health reasons"
Why does vaping cause chest pains for many people?
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C No Ego
Well-Known Member
A company made an asthma inhaler from thc molecules as thc is a bronchodilator... they found that the size of the thc molecule is to big and caused throat irritation... the act of vaporizing is inhaling quite a few molecules that could irritate... a water bubbler helps somewhat to stop irritation but it is still there... I guess people get used to it and also what is in peoples vaped material matters like pesticides and ferts etc... they can irritate too and changing the chemical properties around via vaporizer heat is no good IMO...
Decarboxylated pesticides- fertilizers anyone? LOL
Truth Seeker
Well-Known Member
This makes sense for sure! I think taking the slow deep inhales is a big problem and possibly a larger amount of toxins are absorbed via vaping than smoking due to the long draws and deep inhales.
It could be similar to breathing in paint fumes or other toxic substances. Why this issue doesn't present itself when smoking really is troubling and the only reason I can think of is the slow deep inhale technique that is used with vaping flower.
I've resorted to the idea that if I medicate it won't be via the vaping method. Using a bubbler or Perc does makes sense and I'm sure it helps but others here claim it didn't help them? I'm going on a very long break.
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C No Ego
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A bubbler does help... If I'm home the vape is on the bubbler 100% of the time... I start out the vape session hitting it native ( no bubbler) to absorb those active volatile terpenes and then when the good taste starts to fade I switch over to the bubbler and turn up the vape heat to finish the session... in terms of plant based toxins- psticides ferts etc... we can look no further than our grocery store food to find them everywhere in everything grown to be consumed... we add heat too for cooking so no different really than vaping in some ways... organic? bio-dynamic etc... is what to strive for everywhere!
the only real harm studies though I've found attributed to vaping is equated to fireman going into hot buildings and breathing hot ass air... when vaping on a bubbler it conditions that vapor so you do not breath as hot of air/vapor etc...
Also, if you are going on a canna break look into cannabimimetics... they are phyto- cannabinoid type ligands/secondary metabolites found in every day food that target the same effects as gained from cannabis just through different bio-receptors pathways
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Truth Seeker
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Very interesting! Thank you. Even people who are health conscious are making so many claims about the healthiness of vaping that I find it extremely misleading with little to no real world experiences.
I even had a bad experience with edibles and abdominal pain and kinda bitched out my local dispensary about it.........as politely as I could. It's definitely the wild west and a new frontier for the industry/movement and I think we are at least 10 years out from knowing the actual risks of anything besides an occasional puff on a medicinal doobie!
I really learned a lot from reading what one of the members here wrote about his experiences that I'm very grateful I found this forum!
I understand the need for organic/biodynamic or even wild cultivation but all plants have toxins to protect themselves from what's in nature and the only lengthy history we have is traditional smoking of the medicine. Everything else is so new and unchartered that staying on the sidelines for a few years might be the most prudent thing to do?
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chris 71
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Truth Seeker also consider weed particulates as well as what C No Ego wrote about the size of the thc molecule .
i for one use cotton filters in all my stems and air path ways in my vapes . i find it works better then vaping through water . i have a grass hopper vape and i used a glass down stem , kinda like a straw to inhale the vapor trough . i have cotton in this air path as well .
it is really shocking how much weed particules are in it . not even just the stuff that the cotton has captured but all along the inside of the glass . and this is using the vape as it was made , with the stock screen from grass hopper labs . people that do not use cotton or water and just use the thing native must really inhale a lot of partical , little bits of weed right down there throats
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i for one use cotton filters in all my stems and air path ways in my vapes . i find it works better then vaping through water . i have a grass hopper vape and i used a glass down stem , kinda like a straw to inhale the vapor trough . i have cotton in this air path as well .
it is really shocking how much weed particules are in it . not even just the stuff that the cotton has captured but all along the inside of the glass . and this is using the vape as it was made , with the stock screen from grass hopper labs . people that do not use cotton or water and just use the thing native must really inhale a lot of partical , little bits of weed right down there throats
.Truth Seeker
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Truth Seeker also consider weed particulates as well as what C No Ego wrote about the size of the thc molecule .
i for one use cotton filters in all my stems and air path ways in my vapes . i find it works better then vaping through water . i have a grass hopper vape and i used a glass down stem , kinda like a straw to inhale the vapor trough . i have cotton in this air path as well .
it is really shocking how much weed particules are in it . not even just the stuff that the cotton has captured but all along the inside of the glass . and this is using the vape as it was made , with the stock screen from grass hopper labs . people that do not use cotton or water and just use the thing native must really inhale a lot of partical , little bits of weed right down there throats
This makes a lot of sense and of course the proper temp seems to make a big difference. There's definitely a major learning curve to vaping. It seems that its an art and a science to get everything right.....bubbler, temps, cotton/hemp filter, organic meds, draw technique etc.
I actually want to get their contact number and bitch someone out at firefly, I borderline think they are a bit of a trendy scamming company. The whole former apple designer BS and sleek iPhone looking vape without the WARNING to the consumer about any possible negative side effects or dangers really pisses me off after buying a $300 unit and developing angina type symptoms from it within a few days.
I have to ask myself if I really want to invest this more time into this? I'm going on this break as long as I can. Oddly I bought the firefly 2 to quit combustion and I felt worse after using it in comparison to a water bong with ice and a perc. I'm on day 5 but I am actually looking forward to riding this train for a bit especially since my last vaping sessions produced such a discomfort in my chest!
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C No Ego
Well-Known Member
Switch where you purchase your product and/ or switch Vapes, it could be something they use in their grow practice too...
Also, You can find out if you are allergic to cannabis too.... take a bud and rub it gently on your inner wrist ( pressure point) and wait up to 15 minutes... if the area is inflamed ( red) you are allergic...
Too, This is the coolest Vape I've found out about... It's a 180 year old Australian wooden J shaped vaporizer that had herb down in the bend of the J and a screen with hot coals placed on top of the screen... you inhale hot heat through the top and then through herb... clean vapor with no smoke... I doubt they worried of pesticides back then Too LOL
@chris 71 Bingo ! the degummed hemp fiber and a clean vape with excellent delivery system and a bubbler = smoothest possible vapor with less irritation
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Truth Seeker
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Thank you so much for your advice! I never head any issues smoking the meds only vaping and eating the edibles.
The fact that there is a member here who claims they developed bronchitis from using the volcano for years........scares me BIG TIME!!......that is still viewed as the Cadillac of vapes!
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C No Ego
Well-Known Member
many people like to benefit from vapor in a way that you collect the resin/oil and then ingest it. A glass globe vaporizer works best, the globe is closed off and you turn the vaporizer on to blow the vapor into the globe so that the vapor then condenses and collects on the inner edges of the glass... later, with a rubber spatula rub the oil from inside the globe and ingest... the oil is therapeutically activated/decarboxylated because of the heat that was applied via vaporizing activates the cannabinoids... this is RSO on low dose etc...
edit. people have reclaimed oil from inside of volcano bags= the same exact thing just plastic? I assume its safe plastic ?!
Truth Seeker
Well-Known Member
I just recently learned who Rick Simpson is and listened to his testimony as I had never heard of RSO.
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Truth Seeker
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Truth Seeker also consider weed particulates as well as what C No Ego wrote about the size of the thc molecule .
i for one use cotton filters in all my stems and air path ways in my vapes . i find it works better then vaping through water . i have a grass hopper vape and i used a glass down stem , kinda like a straw to inhale the vapor trough . i have cotton in this air path as well .
it is really shocking how much weed particules are in it . not even just the stuff that the cotton has captured but all along the inside of the glass . and this is using the vape as it was made , with the stock screen from grass hopper labs . people that do not use cotton or water and just use the thing native must really inhale a lot of partical , little bits of weed right down there throats
So when you use a filter are the particles you refer to appear to the naked eye?
If this is the case then the particles must be felt as debris in the throat without a filter?
Kind of like coffee grounds in a cup of coffee?
I think the problem I have is the actual vapor itself irritating me?
I really don't know for sure if it is the dryness of the vape, maybe its too hot? or there is chemistry below combustion that is irritating me? I would think that the irritation of the particles would be short lived and not produce pain in the chest?
How healthy is inhaling terpenes below combustion? Are terpenes an irritant?
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Squiby
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Tiny particulates can be very irritating to the throat and lungs. I posted this in another thread.
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-791#post-1164523
chris 71
Well-Known Member
more like dust particals . some are very tiny but also big enough to see with the naked eye . i also have checked with a jewelers scope and seen them.
a very fine screen can filter more , but the cotton works great . try it next time you might be surprised . and they can get in your bronchial tubes and cause alot of problems i would say that inhaling small particals on a regular basis could be just as bad and maybe even worse then smoking .
exactly
The particulate that collects in the hemp/cotton, and also the inside of the glass stems as these guys are saying, is very visible and quite alarming when you see it.
I reckon it is probably possible to inhale a lot of that and not feel it very much if the particles are very tiny, and tbey will be like dust in the wind getting sucked into your lungs without you even knowing.
I think that would be the argument. However please also check or consider one other possility-
Im not sure of the Firefly's materials, but it is always a possibiity somebody can be sensitive to a particular material or substance in a vaporizer.
I have experienced this myself. I have been very ill for 12 years due to Lyme disease and have had the most severe allergies to anything and everything. Like everyday things that nobody else has a problem with. As an example, I havent been able to use any type of toothpaste since 2005. You wouldnt believe how many things I have adverse reactions to, food, herb, drink, supplement etc etc.
However adverse reactions are not necessarily a sign that genuine harm or actual damage has occured. I suffer allergies and very severe respiratory reactions every time I eat any food. It is extremely uncomfortable and painful to manage and clear my inflamed lungs of excessive mucus. But it is only a symptom which is temporary, however painful and unpleasant.
So Im not suggesting your open thinking is wrong about vaporizing and it's yet unrealised harms- we have to be open and honest with ourselves. I will say though that people have been vaporizing cannabis for decades now, including people on this forum, who are healthy and certainly not at all of the opinion that vaping is more, or equally harmful as smoking, or even that it is bad for them at all.
As @C No Ego sais, thc can cause irritation. But it is also an expectorant and a bronchiodilator. It loosens trapped mucus and debris/pollutants inside the lungs. The "cough" from a large vapor hit is often at least partly related to the expectorant action of thc on the lungs.
And actually therefore, not a bad thing. And it is actually very common for singers to vaporize cannabis as it helps to clear their respiratory system and vocal chords.
Im sure there are very many people who suffer from asthma who find that vaporizing greatly helps ease their respiratory symptoms.
But we are all different. Personally, I am allergic to cannabis! But I still vaporize it because I love my weed so much. Im allergic to practically everything in some way. Just to eat food I have to suffer horrendous and painful respiratory symptoms. My life revolves around managing these symptoms night and day.
Cannabis helps me cope mentally and just about deal with severe long term depression and illness. Im not trying to justify it, but I dont feel I need to either.
So I do suffer a temporary adverse respiratory reaction to vaping weed. I stopped smokimg weed in 2006 due to it being an absolute impossibility for me when I became unwell and mega allergic.
I simply could not smoke weed at all, it would cause me harm. I am actually very confident that vaporizing is not causing me any harm, as the clean food I eat does not either, even though in both cases I suffer extreme reactions. I always recover from each reaction as if it never happened. The body had a truly amazing capacity to heal, when we dont get in it's way.
All said, I am open to all possibilities.
Now here is my main point @Truth Seeker , I bought the Supreme 3 vaporizer last year. It is made of high temp medical grade aluminium, which apparently has been tested at ridiculous temperatures and does not offgass at all.
Nobody had ever reported an adverse reaction to the vaporizer of any of its materials. Until I came along! I had an extremely severe genuine allergic reaction to the aluminium material.
I dont believe thaf has to mean it was offgassing or releasing toxic particles. Allergies work oh an energetic/vibrational level. I believe it is possible that I was reactiong to the energetic state of the air passing over the heated aluminium, maybe in an ionic way or something (?) but I dont know anything about ions etc.
Anyway, the reaction was so severe, it would kill me if I carried on. Such severe throat inflammation, choking and suffocating on mucus each night.
I sold it, never to use again.
I used it for 6 days trying to figure it out, not wanting to accept the reality and move on.
But after I did so, within a day off, I was 100% recovered from the most severe allergic reactions and respiratory discomfort. As if I had never done it.
And for me vaping weed is exactly like that. A day or 2 and even with my allergies it is like it never happened.
This doesn't mean, I concede, that is isn't harmful to me in some way I am unaware of or unwilling to accept (or rather, TOO willing to accept).
But, as I share these thoughts, I am starting to think the particulate may be your issue. Everybody reacts differently to things. It is certainly possible, even highly probable, that if you were actually breathing in tiny particles into your lungs, this has directly caused your symptoms. I think it is worth considering seriously.
And again, even though it feels bad, that doesnt mean any damage has been done. Im pretty sure none has, but those particles have caused some irritation and because they dont belong there, the lungs are trying to do something about it- hence- the symptom!
Symptoms are, after all, nothing but the body's attempt to heal itself. Truth! Which is why the core philosophy of allopathic medicine and "symptom suppressing medication" simply can not lead to wellness. Im not saying here that medicines cant help- I use asthma inhalers, but I would avoid any other form of medicine and am a 100% natural healing seeker otherwise.
I do need the inhalers as my symptoms are so severe, and they play an important part. But in the long run, I will need to stop the inhalers completely, at the right stage of my long road to wellness (and believe me I am getting closer).
Okay, the point. Do consider the chance of you having a reaction to the vaporizer itself (any aluminium parts?).
But it is far more likely you have been very bothered by the accumulated inhalation of tiny particles, and are experiencing a prolongued allergy type reaction as your lungs try to clear the particles.
If this was the case, then ironically vaporizing some weed might help to actuallt clear the debris. Many knowledgable folks are adamant vapor has this potential. You would want to use a water tool ideally, or at least some hemp/cotton, or both. Just theoretically I mean, Im not encouraging it.
So for sure take a break until you feel better, Im sure you will. If at some point you decide to try vaporizing again, just explore your options. Go as smooth and safe as you can, use a water tool ideally, maybe a different vaporizer? But whatever make sure you filter the particles.
Thank you for seeking the truth! In truth I am a born truth seeker myself, and truth spreader where I can. Truth is actually the dominant aspect of my nature and right at the core of my personalty, 100%. It is quite simply, what I am and have always been about, from a toddler. Call me an ambassador if you will!
However, the truth really isnt always that simple. You can study it from a million angles and all you are doing is learning all the time. It never stops!
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Truth Seeker
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The particulate that collects in the hemp/cotton, and also the inside of the glass stems as these guys are saying, is very visible and quite alarming when you see it.
I reckon it is probably possible to inhale a lot of that and not feel it very much if the particles are very tiny, and tbey will be like dust in the wind getting sucked into your lungs without you even knowing.
I think that would be the argument. However please also check or consider one other possility-
Im not sure of the Firefly's materials, but it is always a possibiity somebody can be sensitive to a particular material or substance in a vaporizer.
I have experienced this myself. I have been very ill for 12 years due to Lyme disease and have had the most severe allergies to anything and everything. Like everyday things that nobody else has a problem with. As an example, I havent been able to use any type of toothpaste since 2005. You wouldnt believe how many things I have adverse reactions to, food, herb, drink, supplement etc etc.
However adverse reactions are not necessarily a sign that genuine harm or actual damage has occured. I suffer allergies and very severe respiratory reactions every time I eat any food. It is extremely uncomfortable and painful to manage and clear my inflamed lungs of excessive mucus. But it is only a symptom which is temporary, however painful and unpleasant.
So Im not suggesting your open thinking is wrong about vaporizing and it's yet unrealised harms- we have to be open and honest with ourselves. I will say though that people have been vaporizing cannabis for decades now, including people on this forum, who are healthy and certainly not at all of the opinion that vaping is more, or equally harmful as smoking, or even that it is bad for them at all.
As @C No Ego sais, thc can cause irritation. But it is also an expectorant and a bronchiodilator. It loosens trapped mucus and debris/pollutants inside the lungs. The "cough" from a large vapor hit is often at least partly related to the expectorant action of thc on the lungs.
And actually therefore, not a bad thing. And it is actually very common for singers to vaporize cannabis as it helps to clear their respiratory system and vocal chords.
Im sure there are very many people who suffer from asthma who find that vaporizing greatly helps ease their respiratory symptoms.
But we are all different. Personally, I am allergic to cannabis! But I still vaporize it because I love my weed so much. Im allergic to practically everything in some way. Just to eat food I have to suffer horrendous and painful respiratory symptoms. My life revolves around managing these symptoms night and day.
Cannabis helps me cope mentally and just about deal with severe long term depression and illness. Im not trying to justify it, but I dont feel I need to either.
So I do suffer a temporary adverse respiratory reaction to vaping weed. I stopped smokimg weed in 2006 due to it being an absolute impossibility for me when I became unwell and mega allergic.
I simply could not smoke weed at all, it would cause me harm. I am actually very confident that vaporizing is not causing me any harm, as the clean food I eat does not either, even though in both cases I suffer extreme reactions. I always recover from each reaction as if it never happened. The body had a truly amazing capacity to heal, when we dont get in it's way.
All said, I am open to all possibilities.
Now here is my main point @Truth Seeker , I bought the Supreme 3 vaporizer last year. It is made of high temp medical grade aluminium, which apparently has been tested at ridiculous temperatures and does not offgass at all.
Nobody had ever reported an adverse reaction to the vaporizer of any of its materials. Until I came along! I had an extremely severe genuine allergic reaction to the aluminium material.
I dont believe thaf has to mean it was offgassing or releasing toxic particles. Allergies work oh an energetic/vibrational level. I believe it is possible that I was reactiong to the energetic state of the air passing over the heated aluminium, maybe in an ionic way or something (?) but I dont know anything about ions etc.
Anyway, the reaction was so severe, it would kill me if I carried on. Such severe throat inflammation, choking and suffocating on mucus each night.
I sold it, never to use again.
I used it for 6 days trying to figure it out, not wanting to accept the reality and move on.
But after I did so, within a day off, I was 100% recovered from the most severe allergic reactions and respiratory discomfort. As if I had never done it.
And for me vaping weed is exactly like that. A day or 2 and even with my allergies it is like it never happened.
This doesn't mean, I concede, that is isn't harmful to me in some way I am unaware of or unwilling to accept (or rather, TOO willing to accept).
But, as I share these thoughts, I am starting to think the particulate may be your issue. Everybody reacts differently to things. It is certainly possible, even highly probable, that if you were actually breathing in tiny particles into your lungs, this has directly caused your symptoms. I think it is worth considering seriously.
And again, even though it feels bad, that doesnt mean any damage has been done. Im pretty sure none has, but those particles have caused some irritation and because they dont belong there, the lungs are trying to do something about it- hence- the symptom!
Symptoms are, after all, nothing but the body's attempt to heal itself. Truth! Which is why the core philosophy of allopathic medicine and "symptom suppressing medication" simply can not lead to wellness. Im not saying here that medicines cant help- I use asthma inhalers, but I would avoid any other form of medicine and am a 100% natural healing seeker otherwise.
I do need the inhalers as my symptoms are so severe, and they play an important part. But in the long run, I will need to stop the inhalers completely, at the right stage of my long road to wellness (and believe me I am getting closer).
Okay, the point. Do consider the chance of you having a reaction to the vaporizer itself (any aluminium parts?).
But it is far more likely you have been very bothered by the accumulated inhalation of tiny particles, and are experiencing a prolongued allergy type reaction as your lungs try to clear the particles.
If this was the case, then ironically vaporizing some weed might help to actuallt clear the debris. Many knowledgable folks are adamant vapor has this potential. You would want to use a water tool ideally, or at least some hemp/cotton, or both. Just theoretically I mean, Im not encouraging it.
So for sure take a break until you feel better, Im sure you will. If at some point you decide to try vaporizing again, just explore your options. Go as smooth and safe as you can, use a water tool ideally, maybe a different vaporizer? But whatever make sure you filter the particles.
Thank you for seeking the truth! In truth I am a born truth seeker myself, and truth spreader where I can. Truth is actually the dominant aspect of my nature and right at the core of my personalty, 100%. It is quite simply, what I am and have always been about, from a toddler. Call me an ambassador if you will!
However, the truth really isnt always that simple. You can study it from a million angles and all you are doing is learning all the time. It never stops!
Thank you so much! This really makes sense to me. Why doesn't this happen when medicating with a bong or doobie? are the particles burned up through combustion?
I'm going into day 6 Canna free and I don't like that this symptom has persisted 5 days.
Could my vaping of been done at too high a temp and thus burned myself in some way?
more like dust particals . some are very tiny but also big enough to see with the naked eye . i also have checked with a jewelers scope and seen them.
a very fine screen can filter more , but the cotton works great . try it next time you might be surprised . and they can get in your bronchial tubes and cause alot of problems i would say that inhaling small particals on a regular basis could be just as bad and maybe even worse then smoking .
exactly
Thank you!! great insight! I really hate that vaping has to be such a complicated process......aaargh
The particulate that collects in the hemp/cotton, and also the inside of the glass stems as these guys are saying, is very visible and quite alarming when you see it.
I reckon it is probably possible to inhale a lot of that and not feel it very much if the particles are very tiny, and tbey will be like dust in the wind getting sucked into your lungs without you even knowing.
I think that would be the argument. However please also check or consider one other possility-
Im not sure of the Firefly's materials, but it is always a possibiity somebody can be sensitive to a particular material or substance in a vaporizer.
I have experienced this myself. I have been very ill for 12 years due to Lyme disease and have had the most severe allergies to anything and everything. Like everyday things that nobody else has a problem with. As an example, I havent been able to use any type of toothpaste since 2005. You wouldnt believe how many things I have adverse reactions to, food, herb, drink, supplement etc etc.
However adverse reactions are not necessarily a sign that genuine harm or actual damage has occured. I suffer allergies and very severe respiratory reactions every time I eat any food. It is extremely uncomfortable and painful to manage and clear my inflamed lungs of excessive mucus. But it is only a symptom which is temporary, however painful and unpleasant.
So Im not suggesting your open thinking is wrong about vaporizing and it's yet unrealised harms- we have to be open and honest with ourselves. I will say though that people have been vaporizing cannabis for decades now, including people on this forum, who are healthy and certainly not at all of the opinion that vaping is more, or equally harmful as smoking, or even that it is bad for them at all.
As @C No Ego sais, thc can cause irritation. But it is also an expectorant and a bronchiodilator. It loosens trapped mucus and debris/pollutants inside the lungs. The "cough" from a large vapor hit is often at least partly related to the expectorant action of thc on the lungs.
And actually therefore, not a bad thing. And it is actually very common for singers to vaporize cannabis as it helps to clear their respiratory system and vocal chords.
Im sure there are very many people who suffer from asthma who find that vaporizing greatly helps ease their respiratory symptoms.
But we are all different. Personally, I am allergic to cannabis! But I still vaporize it because I love my weed so much. Im allergic to practically everything in some way. Just to eat food I have to suffer horrendous and painful respiratory symptoms. My life revolves around managing these symptoms night and day.
Cannabis helps me cope mentally and just about deal with severe long term depression and illness. Im not trying to justify it, but I dont feel I need to either.
So I do suffer a temporary adverse respiratory reaction to vaping weed. I stopped smokimg weed in 2006 due to it being an absolute impossibility for me when I became unwell and mega allergic.
I simply could not smoke weed at all, it would cause me harm. I am actually very confident that vaporizing is not causing me any harm, as the clean food I eat does not either, even though in both cases I suffer extreme reactions. I always recover from each reaction as if it never happened. The body had a truly amazing capacity to heal, when we dont get in it's way.
All said, I am open to all possibilities.
Now here is my main point @Truth Seeker , I bought the Supreme 3 vaporizer last year. It is made of high temp medical grade aluminium, which apparently has been tested at ridiculous temperatures and does not offgass at all.
Nobody had ever reported an adverse reaction to the vaporizer of any of its materials. Until I came along! I had an extremely severe genuine allergic reaction to the aluminium material.
I dont believe thaf has to mean it was offgassing or releasing toxic particles. Allergies work oh an energetic/vibrational level. I believe it is possible that I was reactiong to the energetic state of the air passing over the heated aluminium, maybe in an ionic way or something (?) but I dont know anything about ions etc.
Anyway, the reaction was so severe, it would kill me if I carried on. Such severe throat inflammation, choking and suffocating on mucus each night.
I sold it, never to use again.
I used it for 6 days trying to figure it out, not wanting to accept the reality and move on.
But after I did so, within a day off, I was 100% recovered from the most severe allergic reactions and respiratory discomfort. As if I had never done it.
And for me vaping weed is exactly like that. A day or 2 and even with my allergies it is like it never happened.
This doesn't mean, I concede, that is isn't harmful to me in some way I am unaware of or unwilling to accept (or rather, TOO willing to accept).
But, as I share these thoughts, I am starting to think the particulate may be your issue. Everybody reacts differently to things. It is certainly possible, even highly probable, that if you were actually breathing in tiny particles into your lungs, this has directly caused your symptoms. I think it is worth considering seriously.
And again, even though it feels bad, that doesnt mean any damage has been done. Im pretty sure none has, but those particles have caused some irritation and because they dont belong there, the lungs are trying to do something about it- hence- the symptom!
Symptoms are, after all, nothing but the body's attempt to heal itself. Truth! Which is why the core philosophy of allopathic medicine and "symptom suppressing medication" simply can not lead to wellness. Im not saying here that medicines cant help- I use asthma inhalers, but I would avoid any other form of medicine and am a 100% natural healing seeker otherwise.
I do need the inhalers as my symptoms are so severe, and they play an important part. But in the long run, I will need to stop the inhalers completely, at the right stage of my long road to wellness (and believe me I am getting closer).
Okay, the point. Do consider the chance of you having a reaction to the vaporizer itself (any aluminium parts?).
But it is far more likely you have been very bothered by the accumulated inhalation of tiny particles, and are experiencing a prolongued allergy type reaction as your lungs try to clear the particles.
If this was the case, then ironically vaporizing some weed might help to actuallt clear the debris. Many knowledgable folks are adamant vapor has this potential. You would want to use a water tool ideally, or at least some hemp/cotton, or both. Just theoretically I mean, Im not encouraging it.
So for sure take a break until you feel better, Im sure you will. If at some point you decide to try vaporizing again, just explore your options. Go as smooth and safe as you can, use a water tool ideally, maybe a different vaporizer? But whatever make sure you filter the particles.
Thank you for seeking the truth! In truth I am a born truth seeker myself, and truth spreader where I can. Truth is actually the dominant aspect of my nature and right at the core of my personalty, 100%. It is quite simply, what I am and have always been about, from a toddler. Call me an ambassador if you will!
However, the truth really isnt always that simple. You can study it from a million angles and all you are doing is learning all the time. It never stops!
A water piece and filter definitely seem like a necessity.
One member concluded on this forum that the technology is 10 years out on vaping. I think his insight was correct. His screen name is @organic weed if you want to read his posts they are extremely well thought out and this guy seems ultra bright and open minded to the possibility of negative effects via vaping.
Oddly enough I do sing myself and quitting combustion is something I took very seriously to the point of buying these damn vaporizers and researching them out and so far the results have been disappointing to me. I do notice less nasal congestion the next day as a benefit but I don't like the time it takes to set this up and the finicky nature of vaping properly with all the variables involved such as temps, bubbler, draw technique etc. I'm enjoying this Canna break which is what my goal ultimately was ...... I just got myself there.......really fast. Taking long breaks I think is essential especially if your a natural health/detox type of person you'll understand the reasoning behind taking extended time off for health reasons.
In my mind the jury is still out on whether there is any method of delivery for the medication that won't cause harm in the long run especially with prolonged usage.
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EverythingsHazy
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Do you have scientific proof of this?
With a >6 month break, I didn't notice much of a difference in apathy.
Stoping so suddenly definitely caused increased apartheid for several weeks, but then I got used to not vaporizing and also eventually got used to the extra boredom.
I never became more interested in doing other things, though.
I definitely notice less of a constant tired/sleepy feeling, but the absence of that feeling didn't make me have any more desire to engage in any activities that I avoided before.