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I bought a lotus from Verdampfnochmal, and I'm very happy with it!
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The Lotus Vaporizer
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CheeseSandwich
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Black Friday sale!!
Time to get some funds scraped together and get in on this.
Time to get some funds scraped together and get in on this.
wisherly
Active Member
Hi. I'm a dedicated vapor genie user and am very interested in the lotus. I've read a good part of this thread and the enthusiasm for this vape is contagious. One thing I'm concerned about though is the size of the chamber. I understand it was perhaps enlarged in the newer versions of the lotus, but is still very small compared to a vapor genie. (I have a hand-carved VG btw) Is this correct? Can anyone comment on the approximate size difference? Is it something in the realm of .1g for the lotus as compared to .2g for the vapor genie? (you might be able to stuff .3g in the vapor genie but not get the required airflow)
Any other comparisons between the two would be welcome too. From reading this thread I get the impression that lotus owners are very loyal to the lotus, but these two vapes probably have more in common than they have differences, right? I love the amount of control I have with the VG as well as the full range of flavor it provides.
Any other comparisons between the two would be welcome too. From reading this thread I get the impression that lotus owners are very loyal to the lotus, but these two vapes probably have more in common than they have differences, right? I love the amount of control I have with the VG as well as the full range of flavor it provides.
Sneech
Well-Known Member
Woo just ordered a second Lotus for my buddy for xmas! Gotta love that 15% off! Also threw in a short al stem from myself XD!
In response to the post about my G coil the other day, the heat from the WPA cracked and broke the down stem. I was pretty disappointed but I taped it back together and its still working alright. I guess I just have to pre heat my glass a bit from now on when using the WPA so my more expensive pieces don't crack too.![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
In response to the post about my G coil the other day, the heat from the WPA cracked and broke the down stem. I was pretty disappointed but I taped it back together and its still working alright. I guess I just have to pre heat my glass a bit from now on when using the WPA so my more expensive pieces don't crack too.
VapeNStone
Mark
You won't be disappointed if you get the Lotus it is everything the vapor genie wanted to be. It will taste way better too
basement farmer
My face is melting...
I come from using a VG too.
The bowl is smaller, but that's not really an issue in my mind. The VG is kind of a heavy hitter in comparison and you can blow humongous clouds with it so long as you don't fuck it up and scorch your bowl. The Lotus in contrast, is a refined vaping tool that your sip from. It too makes big clouds, but since you aren't applying heat as directly as you would with the VG, it's cooler and smoother. The Lotus does require technique, but it's mostly patience while drawing as it is a piece you take short sips from it if beefy hits are the objective (it seemed counter-intuitive compared to my technique on the VG).
Because the Lotus's bowl is smaller than the classic VG (my HC VG seems like the bowl is bigger yet) so you're not exposing as much of the produce to heat at one time. This is a contributing factor as well as the fact that the cap of the Lotus is vented to control air intake.... something that tells you that the designer put a huge amount of thought into it's design. The VG, by comparison, has very little restriction to air intake. It'll let you draw ridiculous amounts air in so it requires more inhalation technique.
I still like my VG. Because the cap threads on, it's good for shoving in a pocket and using outdoors where odor isn't an issue. The Lotus is my indoor vape though and gets used almost daily. I can take a quick hit or two in the bathroom or bedroom and nobody even notices the odor.
Loading, emptying and cleaning is about the same between them.
The Lotus is a great investment and worth whatever you happen to pay. It's highly crafted and gives you a totally different experience from the very rudimentary VG.
I don't think you would have buyers regret.
wisherly
Active Member
Wow, I was expecting to come back tomorrow and check if anyone responded but only an hour later and already some responses. Thanks, especially basement farmer. That was very helpful.
So with the design of the lotus, specifically how the air path travels past the heating plate and then down through the herbs, would you say there is probably a good deal of convection going on as well as conduction from the heating plate directly onto the herbs? I wonder if larger bowl sizes are possible. The cap of the lotus doesn't happen to fit onto a vapor genie stem, does it? I understand the lotus top is not threaded but uses a magnet. Is that right? And as far as the bowl sizes go, would you say the lotus is about half the size of the hand carved VG?
So with the design of the lotus, specifically how the air path travels past the heating plate and then down through the herbs, would you say there is probably a good deal of convection going on as well as conduction from the heating plate directly onto the herbs? I wonder if larger bowl sizes are possible. The cap of the lotus doesn't happen to fit onto a vapor genie stem, does it? I understand the lotus top is not threaded but uses a magnet. Is that right? And as far as the bowl sizes go, would you say the lotus is about half the size of the hand carved VG?
basement farmer
My face is melting...
No problem.
I'm not an authority on convection principles, but on the little bit I think I know, it would appear that there is probably some convection occurring within the cap and bowl? I haven't fully read the website, so that may be a good place to look for more discussion on the what's goin' on in there. There is also more technical content earlier/ a couple of pages into this thread.
The MkII version of this pipe has a larger bowl than the original. I'd say that the new version is just under 2/3rds the size of the HC VG. Like I said, smaller, but plenty adequate as you're going for quality, not necessarily quantity. The bowls aren't anywhere near being interchangeable. The magnet on the stem does a very good job at retaining the cap. I've never had it come off in my pocket when walking around the house. I wouldn't expect it to retain the cap if I were moving around more vigorously, but it probably would.
I would also recommend the J-hook. As others have mentioned, it's like having an entirely different vaporizer. I actually prefer the J-hook to the regular stem, but it's delicate and really not the most inconspicuous piece of equipment (if that matters). The J hook gives me extremely robust clouds that go down all silky and creamy making me very happy. That said, the aluminum stem gets more use than the J hook based on the above.
I'm not an authority on convection principles, but on the little bit I think I know, it would appear that there is probably some convection occurring within the cap and bowl? I haven't fully read the website, so that may be a good place to look for more discussion on the what's goin' on in there. There is also more technical content earlier/ a couple of pages into this thread.
The MkII version of this pipe has a larger bowl than the original. I'd say that the new version is just under 2/3rds the size of the HC VG. Like I said, smaller, but plenty adequate as you're going for quality, not necessarily quantity. The bowls aren't anywhere near being interchangeable. The magnet on the stem does a very good job at retaining the cap. I've never had it come off in my pocket when walking around the house. I wouldn't expect it to retain the cap if I were moving around more vigorously, but it probably would.
I would also recommend the J-hook. As others have mentioned, it's like having an entirely different vaporizer. I actually prefer the J-hook to the regular stem, but it's delicate and really not the most inconspicuous piece of equipment (if that matters). The J hook gives me extremely robust clouds that go down all silky and creamy making me very happy. That said, the aluminum stem gets more use than the J hook based on the above.
I couldn't resist! Just ordered my Lotus w/water tool attachment with free goodies and Express shipping. Great price considering Black Friday 20% off! I've used http://ezvaporizers.com/ many times and they have always treated me royally with outstanding service. If you haven't ordered already, GO FOR IT!!! Happy Holidays! Snappo
jambandphan03
in flavor country
glad to see more folks getting in on the Lotus.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
I pulled the trigger on the full kit with wpa. My first flame vape. Figured it would be a good learning experience and I wanted something that didn't use electricity.
slowandsteady
Member
Does the water-pipe adapter come in a 18mm version?
I'm thinking of going this exact route. Best deal out there right now for the Lotus, although the Massdrop might be cheaper than 20% in January. Does the water-pipe adapter come in a 18mm version?
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t-dub
Vapor Sloth
No 18mm version. I think @natural farmer used some o-rings to adapt, I can't find the pic though.
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Fenton Mewley
A man in search of cloudier pastures
IDK if Massdrop would be offering a full kit though.
I don't mind waiting for Massdrop for just the unit, then picking up a WPA and scoop from the lotus site.
natural farmer
Well-Known Member
Hey all! So glad to see new faces around here!
Actually the Lotus is 100% convection if you don't take into account the slight conduction from the bowl after it gets up to temp during the draw. But it's insignificant afaics... The VG on the other hand has plenty of radiation going on from the ceramic heat exchanger that can scorch the top of the bowl pretty good if you fill it too much. Lotus can scorch the load too but it's trivial for the amazing human body to perfectly control the temps imo!
The cap won't fit a vapor genie without some modifications and as for the load size it's actually close to 0,2g like the Lotus while the genie can take close to half a g if the screen is low enough.
Definitely a bigger hitter! But the Lotus somehow is an equally hard puncher...
VG is nice if you don't mind or detect the butane taste but the Lotus is definitely nicer!
Opinions may inevitably vary though. Bare in mind that there aren't many people that didn't like the Lotus around, I can't say that about the VG... Wouldn't mind getting another one though in case I run out of torches... 
I liked the hempwick alternative. Anyway, get a Lotus as well! 
As for the 18mm conversion:
Actually the Lotus is 100% convection if you don't take into account the slight conduction from the bowl after it gets up to temp during the draw. But it's insignificant afaics... The VG on the other hand has plenty of radiation going on from the ceramic heat exchanger that can scorch the top of the bowl pretty good if you fill it too much. Lotus can scorch the load too but it's trivial for the amazing human body to perfectly control the temps imo!
The cap won't fit a vapor genie without some modifications and as for the load size it's actually close to 0,2g like the Lotus while the genie can take close to half a g if the screen is low enough.
Definitely a bigger hitter! But the Lotus somehow is an equally hard puncher...VG is nice if you don't mind or detect the butane taste but the Lotus is definitely nicer!
Opinions may inevitably vary though. Bare in mind that there aren't many people that didn't like the Lotus around, I can't say that about the VG... Wouldn't mind getting another one though in case I run out of torches... I liked the hempwick alternative. Anyway, get a Lotus as well! As for the 18mm conversion:
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Dr. Plutonious
Well-Known Member
Is that the Black Leaf inline bubbler from Planet Vape?Looks awesome mate!
This is very similar to my custom piece. I have been using it dry instead of a j-hook. Super smooth hits.
Here is a little vid of the piece I mean, wearing the Xmas jumper already lol and I almost drop the bubbler half way through the vid...too much Lotus action maybe!?
Anyway, I love my Lotus more and more each day. Taste on those first couple of hits is out of this world
If so, might need to pick one up when I get my Lotus. That looks too cool.
EDIT: Looks awful similar but it isn't. Either way...that is sexy.
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wisherly
Active Member
natural farmer said:Actually the Lotus is 100% convection if you don't take into account the slight conduction from the bowl after it gets up to temp during the draw. But it's insignificant afaics... The VG on the other hand has plenty of radiation going on from the ceramic heat exchanger that can scorch the top of the bowl pretty good if you fill it too much. Lotus can scorch the load too but it's trivial for the amazing human body to perfectly control the temps imo!
The cap won't fit a vapor genie without some modifications and as for the load size it's actually close to 0,2g like the Lotus while the genie can take close to half a g if the screen is low enough.
VG is nice if you don't mind or detect the butane taste but the Lotus is definitely nicer!
Thanks for the info! I love the customization possibilities of the lotus, and this vibrant community of creative lotus owners. I guess I'll have to get one more vape. Just one more, I swear...
As for j-hooks, I hear there's a whole thread dedicated to them, but if anyone has any more recommendations on a good inexpensive one specifically for the lotus please chime in. I saw a couple mentioned in this thread a few pages back but didn't understand which ones were better than others in terms of being able to see a lotus cap when paired with it. I'll go back and read more of this thread, but I'd be interested in hearing if anyone got the one which is offered when you buy a lotus and if that's an especially good one to use for this purpose.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Yeah, the one they sell should work fine with the Lotus... but you might not like one thing about it or another, be it the way it bends, how long it is, etc. The j-hooks thankfully are cheap enough that seeing one you like in a few weeks shouldn't ding your wallet much. I think the biggest thing to pay attention to is the way the cap sits on the hook. Some people were reporting that the stir rod prevented the cap from sitting flush, but they remedied it by slightly (and carefully) bending it outwards enough to provide clearance.
Unisonruss
Well-Known Member
I owned the glass VG, both the Sherlock and the bat. I loved them! Huge bowl, huge hits, tasted great...but then I'd hit a little butane and it'd sour me a bit. I could've used a wick, but I just wanted to light it. Held a bit...never used more than .2 grams a session.
The lotus is better for many reasons. Best taste, large enough bowl, healthy, compact, versatile (WPA), great hits, and strong (hard to break). Using a double torch yields best results after some practice with your technique. And I like using a torch, call me crazy! Easy to refill, and lasts a while.
Hope that helps you! Lotus is the best recreational vape I've ever used!
CheeseSandwich
Well-Known Member
Got one ordered from ezvapes, I decided to go with them as it was %20 off but as well they are on the US east coast so shipping was a lot cheaper too. I can't wait to get my hands on this thing 
I can't wait to get my hands on this thing 
canj00digit?
All my days in a daze...
Well, so, the postman delivered both the Lotus and the cheapie Cloud+ on Friday.
I must admit I was a bit more excited to see the Cloud hype so I fired it up first.
I was mostly busy with the Cloud for the first few days but I did give the Lotus a cursory attempt.
It didn't really work well for me. The Cloud is so easy, bah I didnt need to 'learn' anything dammit and back to it I went.
So, tonight, I think to myself why not actually give the Lotus a real shot.
I grab one of my smaller pieces, a little 9" mini-beaker w/13-hole diffy, to try it with.
My first attempt was in the piece I was using at the time, the Mobius Stereo Matrix bubbler, and I think it is simply too big to try to learn the Lotus. Once I get the hang I will try it in bigger pieces.
Anyway, Lotus into the mini-beaker. Bowl of the WPA filled about 50%.
Decided I was going to give it a good 3-4 sec preheat. Inhaled nice and evenly.
With this piece it's hard to see how well it's milking. It didn't really feel like I inhaling much vapor.
But when I exhaled I was shocked to see the size of the cloud produced.
And soon after I was also surprised by the high coming on. It's... different than other vapes.
In a good way. It's very pleasant. But also my forehead is currently sweating. lol.
Still learning and fine tuning but wow what an impressively performing and designed piece of equipment.
And it's a lot of fun to use once you get it down.
I think it's a must have in every vaporist's arsenal.
Seriously, I'm kinda startled by how hard it's hitting me at moment even after Cloud'ing all day.
Now my upperlip is sweating. lol
I must admit I was a bit more excited to see the Cloud hype so I fired it up first.
I was mostly busy with the Cloud for the first few days but I did give the Lotus a cursory attempt.
It didn't really work well for me. The Cloud is so easy, bah I didnt need to 'learn' anything dammit and back to it I went.
So, tonight, I think to myself why not actually give the Lotus a real shot.
I grab one of my smaller pieces, a little 9" mini-beaker w/13-hole diffy, to try it with.
My first attempt was in the piece I was using at the time, the Mobius Stereo Matrix bubbler, and I think it is simply too big to try to learn the Lotus. Once I get the hang I will try it in bigger pieces.
Anyway, Lotus into the mini-beaker. Bowl of the WPA filled about 50%.
Decided I was going to give it a good 3-4 sec preheat. Inhaled nice and evenly.
With this piece it's hard to see how well it's milking. It didn't really feel like I inhaling much vapor.
But when I exhaled I was shocked to see the size of the cloud produced.
And soon after I was also surprised by the high coming on. It's... different than other vapes.
In a good way. It's very pleasant. But also my forehead is currently sweating. lol.
Still learning and fine tuning but wow what an impressively performing and designed piece of equipment.
And it's a lot of fun to use once you get it down.
I think it's a must have in every vaporist's arsenal.
Seriously, I'm kinda startled by how hard it's hitting me at moment even after Cloud'ing all day.
Now my upperlip is sweating. lol
basement farmer
My face is melting...
How frequently do you guys find yourselves changing out screens?
natural farmer
Well-Known Member
Well, so, the postman delivered both the Lotus and the cheapie Cloud+ on Friday.
I must admit I was a bit more excited to see the Cloud hype so I fired it up first.
I was mostly busy with the Cloud for the first few days but I did give the Lotus a cursory attempt.
It didn't really work well for me. The Cloud is so easy, bah I didnt need to 'learn' anything dammit and back to it I went.
So, tonight, I think to myself why not actually give the Lotus a real shot.
I grab one of my smaller pieces, a little 9" mini-beaker w/13-hole diffy, to try it with.
My first attempt was in the piece I was using at the time, the Mobius Stereo Matrix bubbler, and I think it is simply too big to try to learn the Lotus. Once I get the hang I will try it in bigger pieces.
Anyway, Lotus into the mini-beaker. Bowl of the WPA filled about 50%.
Decided I was going to give it a good 3-4 sec preheat. Inhaled nice and evenly.
With this piece it's hard to see how well it's milking. It didn't really feel like I inhaling much vapor.
But when I exhaled I was shocked to see the size of the cloud produced.
And soon after I was also surprised by the high coming on. It's... different than other vapes.
In a good way. It's very pleasant. But also my forehead is currently sweating. lol.
Still learning and fine tuning but wow what an impressively performing and designed piece of equipment.
And it's a lot of fun to use once you get it down.
I think it's a must have in every vaporist's arsenal.
Seriously, I'm kinda startled by how hard it's hitting me at moment even after Cloud'ing all day.
Now my upperlip is sweating. lol
Congrats on your new purchases!
About the Cloud and the way the Lotus hits I have one thing to say! Vaporizing is full of surprises! Many things to consider... One bowl of the Lotus equals a couple of bowls in the Solo for me... Mystery...
I believe the new ones will last several months... They refuse to clog as well!
basement farmer
My face is melting...
I believe the new ones will last several months... They refuse to clog as well!
My herb must be extra sticky or something because I can probably get 2 or 3 days @ about 4 bowls a day before I feel compelled to clean. Maybe I'm more OCD than most in this matter, but I like to have a clean airway and by the time I pull the screen, it looks like a thin piece of felt.
No biggie really as I recover it with alcohol and recycle the screen. A FWIW, it's the same between my pieces, not unique to just the Lotus.