The Herbalizer
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Been Vapin
Fringe Class
Looks like there is a new version of the whip mouthpiece (chrome) in addition to the new whip to bowl coupler.
Thanks for the pics. Brought memories of Slicing open that Limited Edition sticker with a fresh razor!
Keep that brown box to protect your Herbalizer box and provide security/discretion when in public or traveling.
Thanks for the pics. Brought memories of Slicing open that Limited Edition sticker with a fresh razor!
Keep that brown box to protect your Herbalizer box and provide security/discretion when in public or traveling.
Sticks - thanks for the thanks
It was the loss of my other aunt to cancer that actually brought me to the medical cannabis community. During her fight a friend mentioned edibles. Thanks to that friend's advice her last few months were a bit more peaceful. It was that experience that convinced me how beneficial a medicine is was. It simply wasn't a part of my life. Now I can imagine living without it. Both my aunt(surviving) and myself are regular medical users now. I've also started enjoying the recreational/relaxation benefits.
Mouthpiece....? oh - that's the thing I remove and connect my bubbler to.
Medical Mark
Well-Known Member
My cloud caved today I know this ain't the place to discuss that, but the herbie is the gonna have to replace it I guess I don't know when or how really it could be a while but there isn't anything out here the could medicate me fast enough and effectively as I feel like vomiting due to seviere testicular pain due to nerve damage from a vasectomy.
Ive come into situations where I feel so awful and nauseated due to pain and I feel the vomiting in the near future and need to medicate immediately so I can settle my stomach and stop the vomiting mechanism but to date i haven't found a vape that could meet my need for instant results to stop my vomiting and reliefe my pain ASAP with out waiting not even getting the desired results cause the temp again isn't high enough and doesn't maintain its temp let alone be accurate enough to release the desired cannabinoids to give me a anti emetic result.
There's pain and the there's testicualr pain this is a whole different pain and has so many adverse affects that don't stop constant abdominal pain, cramps, nusea, vomiting, restless sleeping patterns due to constant tesicaluar pain like being kicked 24/7
This is why a herbie would be my ideal vape and with its many accurate temp settings and methods to release and activate the vaporized medicine I truly believe it would change mylife that might be a dumb to some but to me who is constantly trying to combat the effects of chronic testicualr pain everyday as a man or as a human being we as men know only a bullet could relieve such continual pain, yes its true and this is my life.
So this isn't a joke for me its life changing stuff, cheers medical mark
Ive come into situations where I feel so awful and nauseated due to pain and I feel the vomiting in the near future and need to medicate immediately so I can settle my stomach and stop the vomiting mechanism but to date i haven't found a vape that could meet my need for instant results to stop my vomiting and reliefe my pain ASAP with out waiting not even getting the desired results cause the temp again isn't high enough and doesn't maintain its temp let alone be accurate enough to release the desired cannabinoids to give me a anti emetic result.
There's pain and the there's testicualr pain this is a whole different pain and has so many adverse affects that don't stop constant abdominal pain, cramps, nusea, vomiting, restless sleeping patterns due to constant tesicaluar pain like being kicked 24/7
This is why a herbie would be my ideal vape and with its many accurate temp settings and methods to release and activate the vaporized medicine I truly believe it would change mylife that might be a dumb to some but to me who is constantly trying to combat the effects of chronic testicualr pain everyday as a man or as a human being we as men know only a bullet could relieve such continual pain, yes its true and this is my life.
So this isn't a joke for me its life changing stuff, cheers medical mark
stickstones
Vapor concierge
Mm... Have you tired the Lotus? It is a great portable that hits instantly. I consider it and Herbie to be my instant gratification vapes.
kitkatjam22
Well-Known Member
Welcome to Herbieville.
Is there a reason you aren't using the included pads? I'm not an extraction/concentrate kinda guy ("Ya damn kids keep your concentrates offfa my grass!"), but I was given some shatter and am amazed at how long Herbie keeps producing off of the tiniest piece, and the pads come out clean after it stops producing vapor.
I do keep one pad for the aromatherapy side of things, and the other for this shatter. I'm *really* hoping I don't mix them up.
Well I read up a lot on these forums and saw someone post something about not putting the concentrate right in the bowl, so they used a couple different screens.... I'm too lazy to go back and find the page on concentrates done this way... And since I was trying to be as prepared as possible, I ordered the screens he recommended, as well as an adapter/connecter for whip to glass (which arrived today, and ice in a bong with the fan assist on gets me there), and a bubbler is on the way still.
All that being said, I'm not so sure I need the screens, as I put some wax on the pad and it just keeps hitting. As long as there is vapor coming out, that means it's still going, right? I know that sounds dumb, but I'm shocked it is still going!
Medical Mark
Well-Known Member
Lotus vape hey I'll have to check into it.
First things first hey sticks I have enough portables and in all reality I don't really go anywhere that I couldn't beng a desk top even traveling I would use it in my jeep via the charger adapter solid power on the go lo so I can eventually vape like a boss lol
Its allways nice to,be able to effectively medicate as needed, when needed and have reluts that's actually take effect immediately and meet the need that needs to be taken care of such as a anti emetic, appetite stymulation which ain't usually very instant but more about strains and the appetite stimulant that is usually a result of the strain which isn't always a easy fix considering I can loose 10 lbs in a coupe of days gues to seviere pain.
I'd love to go through the herbie and cycle through different temps to see them activate the anti inflamitory and anti emetic properties to help pain and help ragin some weight.
Some appetite stimulation would be the best thing for me.
This herbie should work wonders for different strains to release specific properties of the cannabinoid which needs to be accurate and stable environment to activate and release these essntail and effective cannabinoids.
Cheers medical mark
by the way sticks I checked ou the lotus it seems to me that tm trusty and faithful Vapor Geniewould do the same thing ? Maybe not since I've never tried it but using heated torches isn't my thing To cumbersome
I don't have the energy patience for that right now.lol
But it looks cool
Cheers medical mark
A dispensary near me just opened with a great selection of concentrates, so how could I resist. A little goes a LONG LONG LONG way in Herbie. I use the whip with and w/o glass until I can't see any more visible vapor. Then go blow a balloon, I am usually amazed there is visible if thin vapor in that balloon. I can only think that the duration of continuous draw that I can perform compared to a balloon is heating up some tiny bits left behind.
Chill Dude
Well-Known Member
So as you guys may have read in my post of last week. I received my Herbalizer dead on arrival. Luckily, I live in San Diego in close proximity to Herbalizer headquarters. I called Carrie and explained the problem and told her I'd like to physically bring in the unit for exchange. She was super nice and apologised for the dead unit and said to come on down. So I went to their office to pick up my new Herbie. I talked to Josh and he said I was one of the unlucky three people that received bad units over the last few months. He said it had something to do with the bulb and has been resolved so no worries FC. Anyway, excellent customer service! Whatever the problem is, they will make it right...
I have to say, I'm totally loving this Awesome vape. Here are my initial impressions after four sessions:
Packaging and Aesthetics: The unit itself is very appealing with a nice metallic tope like color. This unit is high class and would look perfectly appropriate sitting on your living room table. It is smartly designed so that the whip, bowl is self contained inside the unit. I was also impressed with the storage compartment for all your basic Vape accessories. A 10 for sure...
Ease of Use: Absolutely no learning curve. Whip, bags, bowl and a couple simple self explanatory buttons. Guys, this is state if the art technology, but sooo easy to use. You will be vapeing like a boss in no time.. Another 10
Taste : Okay I have to admit I've used Vapes with superior flavor the first couple of rips. The difference is the Vapes that taste the best initially invariably deteriorate in the taste department quite quickly and you're tasting what's often referred to "Burnt Popcorn". This is where Herbie shines...the taste may not be the best, but it is really good for your entire session! I give taste an 8.5.
Smoothness of Vapor: first off, I'd like to say I'm not a big fan of water filtration. I don't like having to clean glass and deal with all the parts and attachment configurations. I like to keep things simple. IMO, sometimes less is better. That said, for those of you that like high temps and like to go dry; The Herbalizer is hands down the best vaporiser to use dry through a whip at higher temperatures. With Herbie I use the whip starting at about 400F and finish at 445F with fan assist. Just fucking awesome, no burn, no irritation just tasty vapor that packs a punch and gets you very medicated on small amounts. I can cash a .15 load with Herbie in around 5 to 8 hits. In contrast I'd be huffing and puffing on my solo for like 20 minutes...maybe 20 hits. It's exhausting almost like work lol.. And way more harsh. With The Herbalizers extremely fast heat up time of less than 10 seconds enables me to get fully medicated in 5 or 6 minutes. That's a game changer IMO. I imagine those using a bubbler could get full face melt in 2 or 3 rips (depending on tolerance of course). Grade = 10+
Temperature precision: 10+ I dare someone to disagree...
Heat up Time: 10+ at less than 10 seconds no vaporiser can compete.
Safety: 10+. High quality safe components
Efficiency and effect: small amount of herb goes a long way, and the ABV in uniformly browned with full extraction. Grade =10
In summary, I have to say so far this is the best vape overall that I've ever had. For me the main advantages are quick heat up time, ability to dial in precise temperature, great efficiency and medicated effect, huge fucking clouds at the higher temperatures and last but not least the smoothness of the vapor without water filtration. I mean, Josh designed this thing to use with the whip and bags. That's it's intended use. If I wanted to use water filtration exclusively I'd probably go with the Cloud EVO because that's what it was designed for. Anyway, that's my first impression and I'm super happy with my purchase. Kudos to Josh and his team for having the vision and brains to create a state of the art desktop. That said, it's time to break out some top shelf FIRE OG and vape like a fucking boss...
I have to say, I'm totally loving this Awesome vape. Here are my initial impressions after four sessions:
Packaging and Aesthetics: The unit itself is very appealing with a nice metallic tope like color. This unit is high class and would look perfectly appropriate sitting on your living room table. It is smartly designed so that the whip, bowl is self contained inside the unit. I was also impressed with the storage compartment for all your basic Vape accessories. A 10 for sure...
Ease of Use: Absolutely no learning curve. Whip, bags, bowl and a couple simple self explanatory buttons. Guys, this is state if the art technology, but sooo easy to use. You will be vapeing like a boss in no time.. Another 10
Taste : Okay I have to admit I've used Vapes with superior flavor the first couple of rips. The difference is the Vapes that taste the best initially invariably deteriorate in the taste department quite quickly and you're tasting what's often referred to "Burnt Popcorn". This is where Herbie shines...the taste may not be the best, but it is really good for your entire session! I give taste an 8.5.
Smoothness of Vapor: first off, I'd like to say I'm not a big fan of water filtration. I don't like having to clean glass and deal with all the parts and attachment configurations. I like to keep things simple. IMO, sometimes less is better. That said, for those of you that like high temps and like to go dry; The Herbalizer is hands down the best vaporiser to use dry through a whip at higher temperatures. With Herbie I use the whip starting at about 400F and finish at 445F with fan assist. Just fucking awesome, no burn, no irritation just tasty vapor that packs a punch and gets you very medicated on small amounts. I can cash a .15 load with Herbie in around 5 to 8 hits. In contrast I'd be huffing and puffing on my solo for like 20 minutes...maybe 20 hits. It's exhausting almost like work lol.. And way more harsh. With The Herbalizers extremely fast heat up time of less than 10 seconds enables me to get fully medicated in 5 or 6 minutes. That's a game changer IMO. I imagine those using a bubbler could get full face melt in 2 or 3 rips (depending on tolerance of course). Grade = 10+
Temperature precision: 10+ I dare someone to disagree...
Heat up Time: 10+ at less than 10 seconds no vaporiser can compete.
Safety: 10+. High quality safe components
Efficiency and effect: small amount of herb goes a long way, and the ABV in uniformly browned with full extraction. Grade =10
In summary, I have to say so far this is the best vape overall that I've ever had. For me the main advantages are quick heat up time, ability to dial in precise temperature, great efficiency and medicated effect, huge fucking clouds at the higher temperatures and last but not least the smoothness of the vapor without water filtration. I mean, Josh designed this thing to use with the whip and bags. That's it's intended use. If I wanted to use water filtration exclusively I'd probably go with the Cloud EVO because that's what it was designed for. Anyway, that's my first impression and I'm super happy with my purchase. Kudos to Josh and his team for having the vision and brains to create a state of the art desktop. That said, it's time to break out some top shelf FIRE OG and vape like a fucking boss...
Been Vapin
Fringe Class
https://www.herbalizer.com/product/karma/
Anyone know what this about? Buying karma for 10 cents lol
Anyone know what this about? Buying karma for 10 cents lol
Pickz
Vapes on vapes on vapes!
Just read the product description: Good will.
TeeJay1952
Well-Known Member
It is inflation.. just putting my 2 cents err dime in.
RobG
Out on a limb
So I've been using nothing but the Pax for the past 6 months, and man what a difference Herbie makes! I told my girlfriend to be careful when she got home and she was like "uh, ok" and proceeded to get to the point that she asked me if you could die from too much vapor. Haha.
I won't bore you all discussing everything that has already been covered, but just to give a story to illustrate the amazing heat up time: my girlfriend asked me to get her set up with the whip, so I did. Turned it on and she sat there holding the end of the whip just looking at the TV. I asked her what she was doing and she said "waiting for it to be ready." I told her to look down and she was shocked to see all the vapor already pouring out of the end. Very cool. We're gonna be spoiled with all of this instant gratification. People are going to sound like grandparents when they talk about the Volcano: "when I was your age, we had to wait 5 minutes and walk ten miles uphill in the snow to get good vapor!"
I won't bore you all discussing everything that has already been covered, but just to give a story to illustrate the amazing heat up time: my girlfriend asked me to get her set up with the whip, so I did. Turned it on and she sat there holding the end of the whip just looking at the TV. I asked her what she was doing and she said "waiting for it to be ready." I told her to look down and she was shocked to see all the vapor already pouring out of the end. Very cool. We're gonna be spoiled with all of this instant gratification. People are going to sound like grandparents when they talk about the Volcano: "when I was your age, we had to wait 5 minutes and walk ten miles uphill in the snow to get good vapor!"
Medical Mark
Well-Known Member
So I see a lot of people using water tools with the herbie and using the fan to push the air through the wt, just wondering if the air flow coming thru water tool flowing slow enough to take a nice hit with loosing your breath? And is there different speeds for the fan?
Also, I've seen some people using the wt straight on the top of the chamber with a adaptor much like the cloud/evo is the same in the sense of the hit, vapor, taste, and overall effect! Cause the my cloud before it caved would kick me in the face with the draws I'd get from it, only draw back to me was my lung capacity wasn't big enough so I'd have to prime the chamber a few times before getting bigger hits of vapor.
That being said using the fan to assist the air flow coming up and thru a wt would be a great feature cause i don't have big lungs and this would relieve a lot of effort and the chance of coughing like crazy.
I was also wondering how the herbie performs with oil ? I read a lot of people liking it some didn't as for me I would think that it would work well. I've seen the heat light up under that herb chamber and its bright and holagen lights get real hot real fast( think back to the tall lamps in the 80/90s that burnt homes down the holagen lamp) old technology.
I remember trying to change this hot little tube and now it's being used within the unit as a heat source genius cause what a better hotter idea really. Anyway 440 if higher then most vapes but there allways having to heat back up to the assigned temp and yes being off and not being as hot as it says also again waiting for the ceramic or SS bowl heater work over time.
I suppose this thing would melt and totally heat any melted concentrate quickly and release the cannabinoids needed for medical effectiveness it allways take extreme heat to extract the canninbinoids from oils high temps are the only way to truly totally release the vapor.
Wel will see how she performs if I ever get one of these babies.
Cheers medical mark
Also, I've seen some people using the wt straight on the top of the chamber with a adaptor much like the cloud/evo is the same in the sense of the hit, vapor, taste, and overall effect! Cause the my cloud before it caved would kick me in the face with the draws I'd get from it, only draw back to me was my lung capacity wasn't big enough so I'd have to prime the chamber a few times before getting bigger hits of vapor.
That being said using the fan to assist the air flow coming up and thru a wt would be a great feature cause i don't have big lungs and this would relieve a lot of effort and the chance of coughing like crazy.
I was also wondering how the herbie performs with oil ? I read a lot of people liking it some didn't as for me I would think that it would work well. I've seen the heat light up under that herb chamber and its bright and holagen lights get real hot real fast( think back to the tall lamps in the 80/90s that burnt homes down the holagen lamp) old technology.
I remember trying to change this hot little tube and now it's being used within the unit as a heat source genius cause what a better hotter idea really. Anyway 440 if higher then most vapes but there allways having to heat back up to the assigned temp and yes being off and not being as hot as it says also again waiting for the ceramic or SS bowl heater work over time.
I suppose this thing would melt and totally heat any melted concentrate quickly and release the cannabinoids needed for medical effectiveness it allways take extreme heat to extract the canninbinoids from oils high temps are the only way to truly totally release the vapor.
Wel will see how she performs if I ever get one of these babies.
Cheers medical mark
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I find the fan assist to be great, not too fast so it doesn't outpace you and not so slow that you have to draw on it to get significant vapor. It just kinda feeds you the vapor. If we're being really picky about the Herbalizer, a nice feature to have would be to turn on the fan assist when it detects a draw as an optional setting, but totally not necessary. The fan assist also fired the Mobius Ion perc and a bigger Sov stemline tube. It's easy as soon as it gets going, there's videos around the thread somewhere showing it in action with larger tubes.
We blew some bags of oil and was actually not as harsh as it sounds. Nice and thick
I think you'll really like the Herbalizer, the startup time and effectiveness of the temp control is excellent.
with cardboard shoes non the less
Hey guys! I actually created an account specifically for this thread. Reading both early and later reports and posts to get specific information has proven difficult (I think all told I read about 1/3rd ) .
I am considering getting an Herbie! At this point there seems little indication to imply it isn't an awesome vape, at the very least.
However, I do have some concerns. First off, it's been on limited release with a limited edition unit for a bit now. Has there been any indication of a "2.0" (or I suppose just tweaked non-early adopter) unit on the horizon? Would it be prudent to wait (given the price of the unit, I certainly wouldn't want to bite just before they tweak it and fix some first run issues, not that it has that many to point out I suppose). I have the opportunity to buy it for a little cheaper anyway from a friend (in the 500's) but I wonder to myself would I rather wait for a possible price drop or update?
I also noticed people are rocking temps far higher than I do with my Volcano, which is surprising. I always vaped my bags in the 350-360 F range, and it's always been pretty ideal vapor and effectiveness wise. It also seemed sensible given that it's about 20 degrees or so higher than what THC vapes at. So I guess I find it surprising that people are cooking their stuff on the Herbies so high (people seem to prefer it somewhere in the 400's). While I can accept that they just work differently, it surprises me that the average Herbalizer temp seems so much higher.
I'm also curious how well it does dabs (given I have avoided using the volcano for it given that I worry about it getting past the pad and into the "would rather not mess with, damage or have to ever thoroughly clean" base unit, the Herbies dabbing possibilities have been making me curious, especially given all I have otherwise for oil is a crappy pen, and am not quite ready for anything glassy, perc-y or sublimator-y quite yet). I do like what I've read about the pad being all floaty, and for whatever reason due to that is very risk free of waxing up all your equipment.
Oh, and a lot of the stuff involving attachments for glass stuff has gone way over my head, but I guess I'm curious about it at least. I assume though right now to do stuff like that modding is required and nothing snaps on perfectly quite yet.
) .I am considering getting an Herbie! At this point there seems little indication to imply it isn't an awesome vape, at the very least.
However, I do have some concerns. First off, it's been on limited release with a limited edition unit for a bit now. Has there been any indication of a "2.0" (or I suppose just tweaked non-early adopter) unit on the horizon? Would it be prudent to wait (given the price of the unit, I certainly wouldn't want to bite just before they tweak it and fix some first run issues, not that it has that many to point out I suppose). I have the opportunity to buy it for a little cheaper anyway from a friend (in the 500's) but I wonder to myself would I rather wait for a possible price drop or update?
I also noticed people are rocking temps far higher than I do with my Volcano, which is surprising. I always vaped my bags in the 350-360 F range, and it's always been pretty ideal vapor and effectiveness wise. It also seemed sensible given that it's about 20 degrees or so higher than what THC vapes at. So I guess I find it surprising that people are cooking their stuff on the Herbies so high (people seem to prefer it somewhere in the 400's). While I can accept that they just work differently, it surprises me that the average Herbalizer temp seems so much higher.
I'm also curious how well it does dabs (given I have avoided using the volcano for it given that I worry about it getting past the pad and into the "would rather not mess with, damage or have to ever thoroughly clean" base unit, the Herbies dabbing possibilities have been making me curious, especially given all I have otherwise for oil is a crappy pen, and am not quite ready for anything glassy, perc-y or sublimator-y quite yet). I do like what I've read about the pad being all floaty, and for whatever reason due to that is very risk free of waxing up all your equipment.
Oh, and a lot of the stuff involving attachments for glass stuff has gone way over my head, but I guess I'm curious about it at least. I assume though right now to do stuff like that modding is required and nothing snaps on perfectly quite yet.
RobG
Out on a limb
From the comments after the unboxing pictures I posted, it sounds like they have already tweaked the whip. It could be that they are listening to the problems people are running into and incrementally tweaking things as they go and as problems pop up. Not a bad plan, rather than dealing with everything at once, when it can get overwhelming.
This is pretty much my other query with the Herbie (or I guess in general, because really I know next to nothing about percs/glass tube attachments/accesories/diameters/carbon ports other words that confuse me ect). Point is though is that I would love to get a solid bang for the buck perc thing that can easily (read: WITHOUT macguyvering) attach to the herbie for some intensely fun effect. So uh yeah, if DDave ends up putting something together in that regard, I'd be happy to read about it (assuming I end up getting an Herbie, which is probable at this point).
For that matter, will people be able to update their herbies on the software end? Is there any way to do that? But yeah, I'm just trying to guage how future proof this limited first edition is/will be.
nigel
And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
I understand this is a complete breach of etiquette, but I am escalating this to the coup de grace of all dares, the sinister triple-dog-dare.
PS: Nice review.
Mark -- Oils/extractions aren't really my thing (just give me some nice fresh delicious flower) but I've tried a few, and Herbie is a complete champ with the concentrates. A little bit on the pad, and as @didolgi said:
@spincut -- Few things here: First is Herbie is much more precise in temp. Not only in resting (bowl is in stasis), but -- more importantly --
when the bowl is under load. It's the easier half to design a device whose resting temp is in at least in the ball park of where the user thinks it should be. It's significantly more difficult to make a device maintain temp under draw. Most other devices will do one of two things: Drop temp upon draw as heated air in the chamber is replaced by room-temp air; or spike in temp as pre-heated replaces the air in the chamber. In one case the temp you think you are getting is actually (effectively) below what you think it is, in the other the temp become higher than the user expects. Pretty much every vape I've dropped a thermocouple in has shown one of these two behaviors under measurement. Because of this, I pretty much take just about any reported temp on most devices as a "guideline" for the general area it is in. (Even my beloved portable is subject to a potential large thermal drop. But I know this and modify my technique to minimize this, and get pretty decent thermal response.) But don't trust the reported temp as anything other than a ballpark.
Not the Herbie. The Herbie demonstrates a nearly flat curve when subject to load from standing, and then back again. Amazing.
Also, point two: Not *ALL* of us live in the high temps.
A little bit of observational bias with some of the crowd here. Some people are indeed targeting compounds at higher temps (and even higher than what you listed), but by no means is that all of us. I'm a lower-temp kinda bloke, unless it is end of the night but even then I won't go above 392°F. PS: I wouldn't hold off on getting a unit. The Limited Edition is still available now (technically, although *we* have had it for half of a year, it's really only been out for a short time). There are no major fixes needed, and it will be a long time before we will see a 2.0… the next version of Herbie you see will be the non-Limited Edition version, so I would jump on it now!
Yup.
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Chill Dude
Well-Known Member
Spincut, if you were happy with the medicated effects from your Volcano in the 350 to 360F range, you will most likely be happy with the Herbalizer at the same temperature. Personally, as posted in my review, I like the high and medicinal effect of vapor with Herbie in the 400F to 445F range. However, there are a hell of a lot of people on this forum that like their vapor at lower temperatures for various reasons ie. less harsh, less lethargy and couch lock, more energetic high or perhaps they feel that it is somehow safer to vape at lower temperatures. That's the beauty of the Herbalizer you can vape at as low or high of temperature as you desire.....and the temperature is precise!! IMO, Herbie is a great desktop unit for a wide range of users. Moreover, it is super easy to use. I hope this helps...
The PAX is the only vape I ever used before Herbie so I know that difference very well. If you've gotten use to the PAX you might have to un-learn the delay between hits. I had become so use to waiting for the PAX to recover I took a hit from Herbie only every minute or so. It wasn't until a few days that I realized I was an idiot and I started to draw as fast and as hard as I wanted.
You'll also find the temp on the PAX to be way off from what you might think it is. I used by PAX on medium(390) almost 100% of the time. Using Herbie with the same strain at 390 didn't feel right at all... A quick post on FC and a few wise members explained I was used to the CBN. I started doing small test bowls fulling cashing each at a single temp, going up 5deg each bowl. When I got to the 415-425 range it 'felt' right.
Since then I've experimented both medically and recreationally with the various temperatures. I know I've said it before, and I'm sure I'll say it again, having this level of temperature control makes Herbie, imho, the best Medical vape you can buy. Its a fairly nice recreational one also