The Flip Brick by Sticky Brick Labs

[WakeAndVape]

fresh perspectives often help find the solutions to problems better...unfortunatley I'm running out of suggestions that were not given.

The brick vaporizers have a unique learning curve, once you master them, your good with any SB model (given some slight variation)

The most important thing with this vape is going to be torch size, since carb play is taken out....initially the torch I had wasn't producing a flame that was small enough and that contributed to the scorching.

or if you have a torch with a flame that jumps (gets longer), jumping even a centimeter can be a problem for the flip if you already had your placement close to combustion.

all torch lighters aren't equal...nor do torches by the same manufacturer and brand operate the same.

The honest torch that came with the flip had a flame that refused to shorten...luckily I had another honest torch to swap it with and it behaved much differently.

The flame cannot be too bushy...it works best with a skinny pencil point short flame...if that makes sense?

I think that's where most newbs are failing and unfortunately, it is the only factor we can not verify without 'seeing for our selves'

try different lighters...unless you can capture your flame with something to scale the size with

next is draw speed...drawspeed is IMPORTANT.
The slower you draw, the more heat you let gather in the load...once enough heat is stored in the load you get combustion riot.

if you draw too fast, heat won't be able to congregate and the hits come across as too weak.

it's better to let some heat store and then pull faster lessening your chances of something happening.

also drawing too long without 'breaking' is also something the flip doesn't like alot..unless your properly speeding and reducing your draw to manipulate the experience.

The way the brick is SUPPOSED to taste is burned in my brain...when I use it dry, I know what to shoot for.

I can see how a flip that has been combusted often in can develop a taste that throws off the natural taste and causes someone who is new To this line of vaporizers, to not be able to detect the subtle changes that will guarantee success.

this is a vaporizer that will benefit the learning process being walked as opposed to ran. take your time.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

fresh perspectives often help find the solutions to problems better...unfortunatley I'm running out of suggestions that were not given.

The brick vaporizers have a unique learning curve, once you master them, your good with any SB model (given some slight variation)

The most important thing with this vape is going to be torch size, since carb play is taken out....initially the torch I had wasn't producing a flame that was small enough and that contributed to the scorching.

or if you have a torch with a flame that jumps (gets longer), jumping even a centimeter can be a problem for the flip if you already had your placement close to combustion.

all torch lighters aren't equal...nor do torches by the same manufacturer and brand operate the same.

The honest torch that came with the flip had a flame that refused to shorten...luckily I had another honest torch to swap it with and it behaved much differently.

The flame cannot be too bushy...it works best with a skinny pencil point short flame...if that makes sense?

I think that's where most newbs are failing and unfortunately, it is the only factor we can not verify without 'seeing for our selves'

try different lighters...unless you can capture your flame with something to scale the size with

next is draw speed...drawspeed is IMPORTANT.
The slower you draw, the more heat you let gather in the load...once enough heat is stored in the load you get combustion riot.

if you draw too fast, heat won't be able to congregate and the hits come across as too weak.

it's better to let some heat store and then pull faster lessening your chances of something happening.

also drawing too long without 'breaking' is also something the flip doesn't like alot..unless your properly speeding and reducing your draw to manipulate the experience.

The way the brick is SUPPOSED to taste is burned in my brain...when I use it dry, I know what to shoot for.

I can see how a flip that has been combusted often in can develop a taste that throws off the natural taste and causes someone who is new To this line of vaporizers, to not be able to detect the subtle changes that will guarantee success.

this is a vaporizer that will benefit the learning process being walked as opposed to ran. take your time.

While I certainly appreciate the effort, I can't guarantee I'll be able to take my time and go through much more.
My honest torch won't light when it gets too shortened but it's not really big by any means. I have a 3 flame one for my M and adjustable dab torches,. I could try to see if I can get a smaller pencil point flame there, but like someone suggested I think after one more attempt today I need to step back from the flip for the afternoon.
I know SB produces solid vaporizers and I don't want continued frustration from the flip to turn me off to the JR or OG where the longer flame intake and carb control can play a part

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

@WakeAndVape I see how the shorter flame path would affect the performance. I was very much used to the OG and knew my sweet spot well when the Junior came out. The shorter flame path on the Junior vs the OG cause me issues at first and I had many incidences of combustion.

I remember reading about a technique of preheating the air intake glass in the Junior thread. Perhaps that would help here as well?

@VisiblyVaped Since you are using this indoors and portability isn't as big of an issue you might want to look into purchasing the air intake for the OG Brick.

http://www.stickybricklabs.com/home.html#!/Flame-Intake-Glass/p/67814243/category=19878042

It should lengthen the airpath and hopefully make it easier to get thick vapor without combustion. The shorter the flame path the thinner the line between the two. Also, I find the straight intake of the OG easier to work with than the curved one and easier to find that sweet spot with my torch angle and distance.

Along the same lines I would suggest packing less in the meantime to lengthen the flame path. Maybe try with the chamber loosely packed 1/3 full next time, or even less, roughly 1/4 full.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

@WakeAndVape I see how the shorter flame path would affect the performance. I was very much used to the OG and knew my sweet spot well when the Junior came out. The shorter flame path on the Junior vs the OG cause me issues at first and I had many incidences of combustion.

I remember reading about a technique of preheating the air intake glass in the Junior thread. Perhaps that would help here as well?

@VisiblyVaped Since you are using this indoors and portability isn't as big of an issue you might want to look into purchasing the air intake for the OG Brick.

http://www.stickybricklabs.com/home.html#!/Flame-Intake-Glass/p/67814243/category=19878042

It should lengthen the airpath and hopefully make it easier to get thick vapor without combustion. The shorter the flame path the thinner the line between the two. Also, I find the straight intake of the OG easier to work with than the curved one and easier to find that sweet spot with my torch angle and distance.

Along the same lines I would suggest packing less in the meantime to lengthen the flame path. Maybe try with the chamber loosely packed 1/3 full next time, or even less, roughly 1/4 full.

I can try a smaller pack. I can't buy any other accessories or torches. The 100 spent on this and a j hook was the last of my vape budget, even if it is only 10-20 bucks. If I knew FOR SURE it would be that night and day difference that's one thing but it's still really just guessing. I can't afford to. We'll see how it all plays out

 

[WakeAndVape]

@VisiblyVaped, a break for an afternoon might not be the worst thing. I know a S&B dosing capsule removed some heat from the equation too.

all the other torches you said you have seem like they would increase your issues.

arrrr...i think what V_E. said was a gem...a longer intake can give you the needed training wheels until you learn to ride.

@Vapor_Eyes when are you planning on getting a flip? I think real world experience will help your guidance?

The short intake without a carb is going to be something that will trip more than a few up.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

@WakeAndVape I'm going to do one more session without high hopes but I'm going to do wax on top of herb beds in my M and Nano all afternoon when I get home. That should ease some of the pain.

If I had a dosing cap I would try it, same with other torches, and intake valves, etc. But, alas, I have what I have to work with

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

I understand it can be frustrating having to buy more accessories but look at it this way, if you sell it you will probably lose at least $10, whereas spending $10 might allow you to get the best possible performance out of your $100 purchase.

I don't think it's necessary at all. Just trying to help with additional suggestions. I understand about budget, it's the reason why I don't have a Flip Brick yet. But maybe next month you can pick up the intake and a maybe a new torch.

I agree completely with @WakeAndVape on the importance of torch and draw speed. I needed a stronger torch than the one that came with my OG to reach the performance I desired. I picked up this cheap torch and it worked wonderfully. It has a wide range of adjustment, it's the best one I've found for handling smaller flames and bigger flames with zero sputtering:

https://www.amazon.com/Degree-Angle-Flames-Butane-Lighter/dp/B005TOOI5A

I have the newer version that is linked on that page and it is not as good, it has a much longer minimum flame length. I only use it with the Hydro add-on with my OG.

Also, draw speed is key. I feel I harp on that too much but it is true. Even saying a fast draw speed is understating it. You need a very fast speed, almost as fast as possible. Put that wide open airpath to use!

For reference, with all of my other vapes I take 10-20 second hits, and I consider my draw speed medium to fast. My E-Nano, VapCaps, Grasshoppers, and Evo all work well with that draw speed and draw length.

With my Bricks my hits last 2-4 seconds, or maybe 3-6. It's a much shorter draw because my draw speed is so fast it fills my lungs to capacity that quickly.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

I understand it can be frustrating having to buy more accessories but look at it this way, if you sell it you will probably lose at least $10, whereas spending $10 might allow you to get the best possible performance out of your $100 purchase.

I don't think it's necessary at all. Just trying to help with additional suggestions. I understand about budget, it's the reason why I don't have a Flip Brick yet. But maybe next month you can pick up the intake and a maybe a new torch.

I agree completely with @WakeAndVape on the importance of torch and draw speed. I needed a stronger torch than the one that came with my OG to reach the performance I desired. I picked up this cheap torch and it worked wonderfully. It has a wide range of adjustment, it's the best one I've found for handling smaller flames and bigger flames with zero sputtering:

https://www.amazon.com/Degree-Angle-Flames-Butane-Lighter/dp/B005TOOI5A

I have the newer version that is linked on that page and it is not as good, it has a much longer minimum flame length. I only use it with the Hydro add-on with my OG.

Also, draw speed is key. I feel I harp on that too much but it is true. Even saying a fast draw speed is understating it. You need a very fast speed, almost as fast as possible. Put that wide open airpath to use!

For reference, with all of my other vapes I take 10-20 second hits, and I consider my draw speed medium to fast. My E-Nano, VapCaps, Grasshoppers, and Evo all work well with that draw speed and draw length.

With my Bricks my hits last 2-4 seconds, or maybe 3-6. It's a much shorter draw because my draw speed is so fast it fills my lungs to capacity that quickly.

There's a couple cigar stores with a variety of lighters by the place I'm getting my haircut today. I can check to see if they have any angled torch lighters with a tiny minimum flame that are cheap.
There's one left on Amazon, thank you for the link, but I fear that waiting a week for a lighter to try to use this vape again will just get me too bothered

 

[WakeAndVape]

@VisiblyVaped I feel you and buying extra things to get something you already have working properly can be daunting/frustrating.

maybe you can reach out to Randy and let him know your torch is not operating properly and I'm sure he can help get you set straight.

if you would have gotten it from the lab (hindsight I know)...i would say with absolute certainty that they would have gotten you straight.

@Vapor_Eyes after I do my review, if you haven't gotten one yet...we can talk, I'd love to see your take on it.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

@WakeAndVape
Their service is awesome, I know either will help me. The question is, if it's not the torch, what the hell do I try?

My gut says it's not the torch

 

[Vapor_Eyes]

@VisiblyVaped A different torch might help but is probably not necessary. My problem with the OG was the torch I had wasn't strong enough, even combusting was difficult. If you are combusting you should be able to get thick vapor with that torch.

In my opinion draw speed is the real key. A torch and intake will help you find your sweet spot faster but are not necessary. You have to develop a feel for the draw speed.

I start slow and when I see/feel vapor I ramp up draw speed to very fast. I don't immediately go from slow to as fast as possible, it's a little more gradual and I try to match it to vapor thickness. Learning this process is hard and takes practice more than advice, it's almost like learning to use the clutch on a stick-shift car.

@WakeAndVape I'm thinking I might be able to pick up a Flip Brick next month. As much as I want to try one out right now I don't mind waiting either. Maybe there will be even more options available for wood when I am ready to purchase.

 

[WakeAndVape]

@WakeAndVape
Their service is awesome, I know either will help me. The question is, if it's not the torch, what the hell do I try?

My gut says it's not the torch

I think it's the torch....switching torches can be night and day with the brick lineup...as @Vapor_Eyes mentioned.

doesn't seem like the cure I know, but it has made a difference for me on multiple occasions and is part of the reason I have over 10 torches now.

I generally pick them up at local corner stores that sell them for between $2 and $15

The total flame needs to be at a half inch...not just the inner blue part.

if your torch flame length including inner and outter flame can't be reduced to a half inch...its the torch.

 

[Shit Snacks]

@WakeAndVape
Their service is awesome, I know either will help me. The question is, if it's not the torch, what the hell do I try?

My gut says it's not the torch

Seems like technique to me, a couple things, one I find it always helps to learn a new vape by ONLY using that vape. I know it's tough when you're still learning and can be frustrating with wispy or scorchy hits, but I don't think it is any easier when you are used to other very different vapes... But the other thing I would suggest, I don't know how much you're loading, but it seems you should try loading tiny tiny bowls. The easiest way to avoid a combustion incident in a brick is load a tiny amount so you can go hard on the flame and it will still just be vapor since it's further away and smaller size. Then worst case you do combust it's only a tiny bit wasted.

I myself have struggled with torch vapes like this, and found that the carbs of the Jr and Daisy help me control heat better than similar vapes I have without carbs or fresh air intakes. Since the Flip still had a fresh air intake it should be a bit better than those, if not quite as easy to control as a Jr with a carb (which could be even trickier for some, more variables etc, but for me it's definitely easier now). It is still early for you though, it did take me a while to learn the Daisy originally too, always an adjustment, maybe you should even try testing it with wax since you seem to enjoy using that and then you can really go hard on the torch heat?

 

[eaglesgift]

Once you get these SBs working for you, the torch matters much less. You just reflexively learn to pull the torch back from the input hole when the torch is too energetic. I can definitely see where it could be a problem for a new comer though.

The cool air intake is key to these vapes. And the cool air intake has to be properly drilled or it won't work correctly. What you describe happening is what one would expect to happen in there was a problem with the cool air intake.

When you look into the intake block, you will see that the intake glass, when inserted, sits on a wooden shelf where the wood hole narrows significantly. The narrow portion of the intake is maybe 3/8" thick. The cool air intake hole should enter the hot air stream in this narrow portion. It the hole has been drilled just above or just below the narrow portion, it will not work properly and will now draw in enough cool air. Check this with the back of the metal stir stick that I assume was part of your purchase package. When you stick it in the cool air intake hole, you should be able to see it in the hot air intake and it should enter in that narrowed portion. If not, that's definitely your problem.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

@VisiblyVaped A different torch might help but is probably not necessary. My problem with the OG was the torch I had wasn't strong enough, even combusting was difficult. If you are combusting you should be able to get thick vapor with that torch.

In my opinion draw speed is the real key. A torch and intake will help you find your sweet spot faster but are not necessary. You have to develop a feel for the draw speed.

I start slow and when I see/feel vapor I ramp up draw speed to very fast. I don't immediately go from slow to as fast as possible, it's a little more gradual and I try to match it to vapor thickness. Learning this process is hard and takes practice more than advice, it's almost like learning to use the clutch on a stick-shift car.

@WakeAndVape I'm thinking I might be able to pick up a Flip Brick next month. As much as I want to try one out right now I don't mind waiting either. Maybe there will be even more options available for wood when I am ready to purchase.

I think it's the torch....switching torches can be night and day with the brick lineup...as @Vapor_Eyes mentioned.

doesn't seem like the cure I know, but it has made a difference for me on multiple occasions and is part of the reason I have over 10 torches now.

I generally pick them up at local corner stores that sell them for between $2 and $15

The total flame needs to be at a half inch...not just the inner blue part.

if your torch flame length including inner and outter flame can't be reduced to a half inch...its the torch.

I got the torch down to half inch. Still no luck. Will try to really pay attention to draw with j hook to feel the heat.

Once you get these SBs working for you, the torch matters much less. You just reflexively learn to pull the torch back from the input hole when the torch is too energetic. I can definitely see where it could be a problem for a new comer though.

The cool air intake is key to these vapes. And the cool air intake has to be properly drilled or it won't work correctly. What you describe happening is what one would expect to happen in there was a problem with the cool air intake.

When you look into the intake block, you will see that the intake glass, when inserted, sits on a wooden shelf where the wood hole narrows significantly. The narrow portion of the intake is maybe 3/8" thick. The cool air intake hole should enter the hot air stream in this narrow portion. It the hole has been drilled just above or just below the narrow portion, it will not work properly and will now draw in enough cool air. Check this with the back of the metal stir stick that I assume was part of your purchase package. When you stick it in the cool air intake hole, you should be able to see it in the hot air intake and it should enter in that narrowed portion. If not, that's definitely your problem.

I'm going to try that in the next hour or two. Will report back. Thank you all

 

[caseball2051]

Folks having trouble, keep at it.

I had trouble at first when using with water.

I then tried it dry and booooooooooom. It was so much easier to control. Both with my tube and jhook I linked earlier

You get a distinct whistling sound when doing things right.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

Folks having trouble, keep at it.

I had trouble at first when using with water.

I then tried it dry and booooooooooom. It was so much easier to control. Both with my tube and jhook I linked earlier

You get a distinct whistling sound when doing things right.

I listened for that or the "jet engine" sound mentioned..... Then I combust shortly after

 

[sickbabies]

My flip brick arrived today! It's a lovely little thing and hits just as I had hoped. The heat intake did arrive with a small crack on it though, and I only got 2 o-rings on the Gong adapter area. What kit should I order to get these size rings?

Edit: Replacement intake coming and all bricks actually ship with 2 orings on the gong. I guess I was looking at beta units ha

 

[Hjalmark]

I listened for that or the "jet engine" sound mentioned..... Then I combust shortly after

Starting to feel like we need to see video off you using it so we can couch you through!

Also again asking same question but is the air hole open and cleanly drilled? (and your not blocking it as you draw)

Check out sneaky Pete and his many Brick videos

He might be able to get you closer to where you need to be

 

[VisiblyVaped]

I studied his videos Saturday like there was going to be a test.

I failed.


I can either get a good hit then combust or get a crap hit and barely vape. I don't think the flip is for me

 

[Kermitt]

@VisiblyVaped
There is one hole for extra air, is this hole free or is it clogged?

 

[VisiblyVaped]

@VisiblyVaped
There is one hole for extra air, is this hole free or is it clogged?

It's free. I checked the air intake hole

 

[Hogni]

Don't get me wrong but meanwhile half the thread are just the issues of @VisiblyVaped. For sure they are important aspects of use of the Flip but is there any advice which wasn't gave?
Hope you get your flip properly running. Please report if you'll get it.

 

[SloJimFizz]

He may be just an adjustment away from the aha moment. Fine tuning draw speed or strength, flame angle, draw time etc. Kinda like learning not to hit your thumb with a hammer everytime. We're just getting hot air down a tube to warm the weed with. The hot air will do its job, just don't introduce too much or too little.
Maybe try it in a dimly lit room where you can watch the lightest part of the flame travel down the tube and lightly tickle the pinch on the heat tube, but not roll over it down towards the load. 2-4 seconds max with my draw speed. That pinch is like a backstop.
I'm really loving the Flip Brick, both with water and with a j-hook. Awesome flavor of each strain comes through and quite the buzz inducer. I don't see myself needing to dabble in the other Bricks as this is just right for my needs. Don't know how I could get bigger or more satisfying rips than the ones I'm diving into now.
The TAG J-hook that @almost there posted earlier in this thread is an awesome piece for $7.00. Their Flat mouthpiece version I put a pic of is their older model and not available. Just the trumpet kind of mp. Love the way the trumpet mp feels and the way it all sits level when you flip it to set it down.

 

[VisiblyVaped]

He may be just an adjustment away from the aha moment. Fine tuning draw speed or strength, flame angle, draw time etc. Kinda like learning not to hit your thumb with a hammer everytime. We're just getting hot air down a tube to warm the weed with. The hot air will do its job, just don't introduce too much or too little.
Maybe try it in a dimly lit room where you can watch the lightest part of the flame travel down the tube and lightly tickle the pinch on the heat tube, but not roll over it down towards the load. 2-4 seconds max with my draw speed. That pinch is like a backstop.
I'm really loving the Flip Brick, both with water and with a j-hook. Awesome flavor of each strain comes through and quite the buzz inducer. I don't see myself needing to dabble in the other Bricks as this is just right for my needs. Don't know how I could get bigger or more satisfying rips than the ones I'm diving into now.
The TAG J-hook that @almost there posted earlier in this thread is an awesome piece for $7.00. Their Flat mouthpiece version I put a pic of is their older model and not available. Just the trumpet kind of mp. Love the way the trumpet mp feels and the way it all sits level when you flip it to set it down.

I'm definitely stepping back for a day. I was about to lose it with the flip last night. I'm in the minority and I'm sure it's a great option for most but it's not working for my needs or desires thus far. I'll pick it back up tomorrow or MAYBE tonight, 24 hrs later