darkrom
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How many bowls are you getting out of the FF max?
5-6 including another user who has developed very little technique. I'm guessing I could pull 6 bowls per battery every time if I had them all solo.
How many bowls are you getting out of the FF max?
6 bowls and dark ABV or a lighter tone?5-6 including another user who has developed very little technique. I'm guessing I could pull 6 bowls per battery every time if I had them all solo.
I am expecting my FF today. I have read the full 102 pages and am pretty excited to be part of the community. I presently own a Solo and Pinnacle Pro and lastly Persei Core Bender combo.
6 bowls and dark ABV or a lighter tone?
Hello everybody! Longtime toker, first time poster. I am excited to be a part of the community here! I purchased the FF a few weeks ago and have been catching up on this thread and working on my technique since, I just finally finished the thread and thought it was time to share my experiences as well. First let me start out by saying I have been smoking in the traditional fashion for over 15 years out of a waterpipe. It broke a few weeks ago while cleaning and I took a ride to a few local headshops to check out the selection. One of the dealers highly recommended the FF. I had never used a vaporizer in my life, my wife kind of talked me into it because it was so cool looking. I made the impulse buy and have had it about 3 weeks now, using it pretty much as my only toking device the entire time. So we have really gotten to know each other!
I have to say the FF is truly amazing and I am very impressed with it. It is very fancy/elegant...when using it, it is more of an experience--a very enjoyable one! The look and feel of this machine is very luxurious. Here is my review on the performance:
1. Luckily I have been able to produce clouds since my first bowl out of the box. My wife as well, and neither of us have had any experience with a vaporizer previously. Smoking only.
2. I use a medium/fine finger grind, occasionally use a grinder. Preheat the first draw for 2-4 seconds until it fully glows and immediately begin to draw for 8-12 seconds (longer for the last few draws). Let off the button and continue to draw for another 5 seconds or so until the unit cools down. I typically get about 5-8 draws when putting in about .1 of herbs. Loosely packed and a little less than a full bowl.
3. My unit seems to be very consistent in terms of results, I get a pretty large cloud right from the first draw. (For me it is surprisingly one of the bigger ones in each bowl). The next 2 draws produce huge clouds that usually take me off to a happy place . But after those first few clouds, I have noticed the last the last 3-4 draws are whispy at best. They are usually pretty disappointing and I feel do not add much to the end result.
4. I have never had an issue w/ combustion. But I am having a problem with charring. Charring begins on the very first hit for me. And the herb is pretty significantly charred by the second and third draws. I do tap between draws and also stir halfway through. (But I have noticed by the time I need to stir, I no longer produce clouds anyways and herbs are pretty spent (or charred)
I know draw speed and technique has a lot to do with this. I start off very slow, gradually increase speed, and then gradually decrease speed to very slow again, then when I let off the button I slightly increase speed again. I have been trying different techniques, this one has been working best for me. Although all of them seem to end with the same charring result.
I am worried about the charring I am experiencing. When I see pics of other peoples ABV they are a completely different ballgame, some are still green and very light brown. My ABV are pretty dam close to black. The first few draws makes the bottom half of the bowl charred, and then after stirring the entire bowl is pretty much charred by the end. I am wondering if others are experiencing this as well? And if this charring is impacting the the potential results I could be getting if it didn't char? Such as more vapor? I don't have much experiencing vaping so please keep in mind I am a rookie vaper. Thanks and keep the fire burning baby!
3. My unit seems to be very consistent in terms of results, I get a pretty large cloud right from the first draw. (For me it is surprisingly one of the bigger ones in each bowl). The next 2 draws produce huge clouds that usually take me off to a happy place . But after those first few clouds, I have noticed the last the last 3-4 draws are whispy at best. They are usually pretty disappointing and I feel do not add much to the end result.
4. I have never had an issue w/ combustion. But I am having a problem with charring. Charring begins on the very first hit for me. And the herb is pretty significantly charred by the second and third draws. I do tap between draws and also stir halfway through. (But I have noticed by the time I need to stir, I no longer produce clouds anyways and herbs are pretty spent (or charred)
I know draw speed and technique has a lot to do with this. I start off very slow, gradually increase speed, and then gradually decrease speed to very slow again, then when I let off the button I slightly increase speed again. I have been trying different techniques, this one has been working best for me. Although all of them seem to end with the same charring result.
I am worried about the charring I am experiencing. When I see pics of other peoples ABV they are a completely different ballgame, some are still green and very light brown. My ABV are pretty dam close to black. The first few draws makes the bottom half of the bowl charred, and then after stirring the entire bowl is pretty much charred by the end.
I have read that others are getting charring on the bottom center as well. I am wondering if others are experiencing this right away after the first hit as well?
I seem to have about the same results as you per bowl: 3 great hits, then 3 lesser hits for about six total.
Thank you very much for the tips. I did just do a bowl trying a faster draw technique and had much less success that way. I did not get any good hits at all. It started off with a really bad first hit, followed by a couple slightly better and the last few were really bad. The disappointing part of this was that the herbs still got charred. I got the same amount of hits that I normally would have, just not as big. About 5-6 and the whole bowl was charred.
Except in his first post he says he's using a nearly full bowl. You aren't only getting 6 hits with a full bowl, are you? I fill pretty full, maybe .1 to .13 grams. I get nearly 15 hits per bowl, and the first ten or so are large clouds.
I get about 10 maybe 15 hits off a bowl if im lucky now. My first firefly ran way too hot and was burning/charring. I had it replaced and new one works much better.Yep. Six hits off a full bowl. Actually a little overfull because I tamp it down to get it even with the rim.
I have never understood how you guys are getting so many hits out of a bowl.
To be honest I'm glad it doesn't take me that many to deplete a bowl. I don't consider it a very big bowl, so if it took me 15 hits to get that amount of goodies in me I would enjoy the FF a lot less. I like the fact that I can power through a bowl quickly in a half dozen hits. My tolerance is high, so I don't enjoy 'sipping' so to speak.
In case anyone is wondering, it is fully depleted after 6 hits. I have put the ABV in an EVO and a Nano and neither one can pull any more vapor out of it.
Yep. Six hits off a full bowl. Actually a little overfull because I tamp it down to get it even with the rim.
I have never understood how you guys are getting so many hits out of a bowl.
To be honest I'm glad it doesn't take me that many to deplete a bowl. I don't consider it a very big bowl, so if it took me 15 hits to get that amount of goodies in me I would enjoy the FF a lot less. I like the fact that I can power through a bowl quickly in a half dozen hits. My tolerance is high, so I don't enjoy 'sipping' so to speak.
In case anyone is wondering, it is fully depleted after 6 hits. I have put the ABV in an EVO and a Nano and neither one can pull any more vapor out of it.
So basically if your getting dark/black abv at the bottom or middle and your breaking it up by hand try to grind it and see how that works. Also dont pack it down, just fill it up and place the top back on because if you pack it down you wont get great airflow.
Have you weighed a full load? Would love to know if we are talking apples/apples. I pack a pretty large bowl, so that may explain some of the difference.
Same here, every time.Yep. Six hits off a full bowl. .....In case anyone is wondering, it is fully depleted after 6 hits.
Unfortunately I don't have a scale capable of small measurements. I tend to get as much in there as I can without having to compress it, but that doesn't really tell you much
It would be great to get together with other Firefly owners. Everyone's experience, technique, and results vary so much. A bunch of us hanging out for a day could be a hell of a learning experience
I just finished up another session and took pictures as I mentioned to determine the charring situation. I should mention this particular bowl went pretty poorly all around.
Here is a picture of the bowl before vaped
Here is a picture of the bowl after only 2 draws. Note the charring at this point has covered the bottom layer and is making its way through the top side in the center.
This pic is after flipping and toward the end of the bowl after 5 draws.
My ABV after 6-7 draws.
I have had better results with a finer grind too. I started hand grinding (like the pics above) to get it slightly courser because I thought the bud would not char as easy because of the density, but it does still char just the same and you also do not get as big of a hit.