So you can see the laser/vapor at work?
The Beam Laser Vaporizer
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florduh
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Oh hell yeah. I'm the target market for a high end wax pen/handheld dabbing device. But I don't really understand what problem a laser is solving exactly. Materials safety? Then what's with the nylon? Like I said before, there are carts now that completely negate the heavy metals issue. And if we're talking about load-as-you-go options, you can dab off quartz, SiC, anything you want.
I also don't see anything in the way of temp control. I feel like concentrates, and even carts benefit from modulating temperature at least a bit. Different terp profiles and all that. I'd need to see a whole bunch of glowing reviews before I'd consider jumping in. I'm skeptical, but I hope it works out. The wax pen market is pretty dead compared to dry herb.
ChooChooCharlie
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I'm new to this, but I think the problem they are trying to solve is, how to sell a unique device in a saturated market 
Beam folks speak of adverse high temp surface results...doesn't matter the material, quartz, sic ... they seem focused on temp -- high temps causing problems
The "nylon" reference posted above seems a bit knee-jerk IMO -- no indication that the nylon reaches high temps, it's a containment material
Plastic hating is popular, but if no excessive heat is causing issues, it's a light weight and durable material, cheap too
Beam folks speak of adverse high temp surface results...doesn't matter the material, quartz, sic ... they seem focused on temp -- high temps causing problems
The "nylon" reference posted above seems a bit knee-jerk IMO -- no indication that the nylon reaches high temps, it's a containment material
Plastic hating is popular, but if no excessive heat is causing issues, it's a light weight and durable material, cheap too
RustyOldNail
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Why hold and inhale in that orientation? Seems odd, relative to Crafty/Mighty use
Samples from Beam's instagram. Does anyone else smell some bro-science mktg?
I'm looking forward to it, seems fun
(bottom right photo)
Interesting for GOLF fans, maybe the laser can measure your putt distance?
Yeah I’m all for materials safety and vapor science but I don’t think the boogie-man stuff helps the vape industry very much at all. I mean to claim terpenes transforming into benzene causing cancer, the pot smoking hippies would beg to differ.... this microcosmic microscopic viewpoint is a notoriously common issue in modern science... sometimes it’s actually best to “zoom out” to get the full picture.
They mention metals leaching which is a chemical process, not temperature related, that’s why the nylon tank is obscure.
I mean first we need to ask ourselves is heavy metals leaching even a relevant issue with quality components, or is that just playing off of the “vape cart crisis” propaganda?
How much metal does a SS316L center post actually leach? With the marketing and data driven world we live in its surprising that such little effort goes into selling people on something substantiated.
That said this one at least seems somewhat interesting and the price isn’t unobtainable. I’m curious about the conservative temperature setting, IME 400F is quite low for concentrates, I mean people on FC barely like to vape herb at that low of a temp based on ABV pictures I see. Maybe it will make for a nice smooth mist though, I actually don’t mind conservative temps so long as the performance is competent and doesn’t inversely require long inhalations.
They mention metals leaching which is a chemical process, not temperature related, that’s why the nylon tank is obscure.
I mean first we need to ask ourselves is heavy metals leaching even a relevant issue with quality components, or is that just playing off of the “vape cart crisis” propaganda?
How much metal does a SS316L center post actually leach? With the marketing and data driven world we live in its surprising that such little effort goes into selling people on something substantiated.
That said this one at least seems somewhat interesting and the price isn’t unobtainable. I’m curious about the conservative temperature setting, IME 400F is quite low for concentrates, I mean people on FC barely like to vape herb at that low of a temp based on ABV pictures I see. Maybe it will make for a nice smooth mist though, I actually don’t mind conservative temps so long as the performance is competent and doesn’t inversely require long inhalations.
I would have used it before bothering to type!
Looking forward to any info on loading with rosin and how it actually works.
maremaresing
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Gonna need pictures. I especially want to see where the laser aperture is and what it hits.
VapeEscapist
Medicine Buddha
This all sounds great, but can it play CD-R and CD-RW? 
florduh
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You’re right. I guess I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t use a glass vial. I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer. I’m looking forward to your review and hope this thing slaps.
You know, I’ve wondered about how the heavy metals in carts tests are conducted. Like, do they test before filling the carts and compare the results to after the oil had been sitting in the carts for a while? Because lots of carts use bottom of the barrel disty, made from dirty trim.
If they aren’t testing every step along the process, we don’t really know where the heavy metals were introduced. I’m sure it’s possible terps can leech metals from carts, but I don’t think that’s really been proven conclusively yet.
Yeah I have two criticisms with the claim and it’s that:
1: Cannabis plants themselves are well known to uptake heavy metals
The Big Four Heavy Metals in Cannabis: Sample Preparation and Analysis via ICP-MS
This work describes an inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry method for the analysis of various heavy metals in cannabis sativa plant material.
www.cannabissciencetech.com
2: These solvent concentrates are all extracted with stainless steel equipment. If the concentrate is leaching surface ion metals it seems far more likely to happen during the extraction phase when the entire thing is supersaturated with solvent.... and not when the concentrate is finished.
That said I suppose it’s possible that leaching could occur in the cartridge since it’s “fresh metal” - If you read the studies on how tomato sauce leaches nickel out of stainless steel it does occur because SS is an alloy, nickel and chromium exist on the surface - but once these surface ions are leached out it basically stops. If it is an issue, Zirconia ceramic center posts are an easy way to avoid it. But again, with 99% of cannabis extracts being manufactured on SS equipment, it throws a big wrench in the metal claims.
But I can’t help but point out the elephant in the room: we really shouldn’t inhale anything that is caustic enough to leach out metals????? Who cares how chemically resilient the container is, at that point I think we have much bigger issues!
VapeEscapist
Medicine Buddha
I'm always interested to hear the conversations behind the health implications of the materials used for vaping and certainly for carts but how many of us used a dented tin can to smoke out of when desperate, back in the day?
Maybe a corncob pipe from 7-11?
Bongs made from, wiffle ball bats, windex bottles, and anything else that resembled a bong....
In the future, nanobots will trigger cannabinoids receptors at will.
Sorry, back to your frickin' laser beams.
Maybe a corncob pipe from 7-11?
Bongs made from, wiffle ball bats, windex bottles, and anything else that resembled a bong....
In the future, nanobots will trigger cannabinoids receptors at will.
Sorry, back to your frickin' laser beams.
maremaresing
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Unhealthy things to smoke out of are scientifically proven. Having done it doesn't add anything to the "making things safely" conversation, which I'm not convinced The Beam Laser Vaporizer properly addresses. Yeah we all drank out of hoses but I wouldn't do that today and don't think my sample size makes it viable.
Still waiting to see how something that relies on an exact point of light deals with waxy clouds near lenses or focal points.
Still waiting to see how something that relies on an exact point of light deals with waxy clouds near lenses or focal points.
florduh
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I've thought that every time I hear the "heavy metal leaching" discourse. If the terps in this oil are really strong enough start breaking down stainless steel, what the fuck are they doing to my respiratory system?! "Lungs of steel" is just a metaphor, after all. I completely forgot about all the metal used during extraction. And, they fill all those carts by heating up the oil, and shooting it into the carts with stainless steel needles. Is the equipment for filling subject to "Cat 3" heavy metals testing? Nope.
Also, I highly doubt Flint Michigan is the only city in America with shitty, lead-riddled pipes. The lead contamination could easily go all the way back to the flower stage.
The laser bro's gotta move product though. I don't really fault them for promoting using clean materials. I agree, spreading FUD about concentrate consumption is unhelpful though.
ChooChooCharlie
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Got tracking email with links to user guide and these vid links. Not sure if they are age restricted
How to load Beam cart:
exploded view:
We can be a fickle bunch here:
With cart batteries, many clamored for lowest voltage, forgoing clouds for flavor and reduced irritation. Now we wonder if Beam is hot enough for decent clouds?
With material safety issues, many demand super clean airpaths, raising concerns over micro surface dust on some herb vapes. Now, we wonder how much a problem contaminants really are?
I like lasers. I like vapes. Sounds good to me
Remember seeing early laser around 1965 in neighbor's garage in NJ. He worked for Bell Labs. Cool stuff for a seven year old kid. He tried describing how he was working with glass filaments to transmit information through them using laser light. Went right over my head at the time, still does
edit: @invertedisdead - you are first on list, after I mess around with it. Don’t worry, I ordered extra mouthpiece and chamber, then pass along to V
Edit for giggles, we should keep happy with odd vapes:
I forgot about the elephant in the room
How to load Beam cart:
exploded view:
We can be a fickle bunch here:
With cart batteries, many clamored for lowest voltage, forgoing clouds for flavor and reduced irritation. Now we wonder if Beam is hot enough for decent clouds?
With material safety issues, many demand super clean airpaths, raising concerns over micro surface dust on some herb vapes. Now, we wonder how much a problem contaminants really are?
I like lasers. I like vapes. Sounds good to me
Remember seeing early laser around 1965 in neighbor's garage in NJ. He worked for Bell Labs. Cool stuff for a seven year old kid. He tried describing how he was working with glass filaments to transmit information through them using laser light. Went right over my head at the time, still does
edit: @invertedisdead - you are first on list, after I mess around with it. Don’t worry, I ordered extra mouthpiece and chamber, then pass along to V
Edit for giggles, we should keep happy with odd vapes:
I forgot about the elephant in the room
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maremaresing
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OK, so it works exactly how I thought it would, with exactly the same inherent design flaws in using a laser that absolutely cannot be avoided. Fine.
It's a weird gimmick though, and I'm fully down for variety in the industry. But like... how do you keep the laser path clear and the lens clean after the first hit? There is wax vapor billowing all over it. The littlest bit of reclaim will defeat the entire device.
It's a weird gimmick though, and I'm fully down for variety in the industry. But like... how do you keep the laser path clear and the lens clean after the first hit? There is wax vapor billowing all over it. The littlest bit of reclaim will defeat the entire device.
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florduh
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I’m definitely down to lend my 2 centavos! 
As someone who adamantly run carts on the lowest power settings I can honestly relate to that. Most cart batteries have very rudimentary temp control which is really easy to ruin these better quality cartridges/oils. If they’re able to deliver power predictably (IR temp sensor?) that would be an improvement for sure.
I mean the proof is in the medicated pudding, but I actually think there’s a lot of room for a reloadable platform like this where people can load concentrates and sip on them without a bunch of gear and equipment.
I do think if there’s only one single temperature that might be a little risky as it’s gonna have to be Goldilocks, but if it can preserve flavor for a long time it will sell itself. It sort of seems to sit in between a prefilled cartridge and a Load-As-You-Go atomizer setup.
It looks really easy to use in the video, I like the familiar Crafty-esque form factor too. Definitely larger than a prefilled cart but for everywhere else the size seems fine. I’m curious how it handles raw, non decarbed products such as live rosin that hasn’t been activated yet? I wonder if you can just fill the cup with concentrate, or does it have to be used more like a LAYG in that scenario? I do hope it doesn’t have to rely too much on Dablicators or syringes just because syringe availability is so much more limited than prefilled cartridge options.
As someone who adamantly run carts on the lowest power settings I can honestly relate to that. Most cart batteries have very rudimentary temp control which is really easy to ruin these better quality cartridges/oils. If they’re able to deliver power predictably (IR temp sensor?) that would be an improvement for sure.
I mean the proof is in the medicated pudding, but I actually think there’s a lot of room for a reloadable platform like this where people can load concentrates and sip on them without a bunch of gear and equipment.
I do think if there’s only one single temperature that might be a little risky as it’s gonna have to be Goldilocks, but if it can preserve flavor for a long time it will sell itself. It sort of seems to sit in between a prefilled cartridge and a Load-As-You-Go atomizer setup.
It looks really easy to use in the video, I like the familiar Crafty-esque form factor too. Definitely larger than a prefilled cart but for everywhere else the size seems fine. I’m curious how it handles raw, non decarbed products such as live rosin that hasn’t been activated yet? I wonder if you can just fill the cup with concentrate, or does it have to be used more like a LAYG in that scenario? I do hope it doesn’t have to rely too much on Dablicators or syringes just because syringe availability is so much more limited than prefilled cartridge options.
VapeEscapist
Medicine Buddha
Agreed, it was more my point that we just didn't care/know better back in the dirty ol' combustication days (notice the face palm emoji) and now we pour over the implications of every material anywhere near our vape devices.
ChooChooCharlie
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Charging, will acquire goodies and report back tomorrow
ChooChooCharlie
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ChooChooCharlie
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"Do you expect me to talk?"
"No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!"
It works! As we all presumed, it's one temp only. And, these are not thick clouds, again as expected. Similar to a cart hit in sub 2v warmup mode. Tasty like that, too
Was frustrated at first, no vapor. So, removed module, and detached core with filled cart. Laid face down for 10 more minutes, saw bubble finally at top, so oil was slow. Also had to press down several more times, as per recommended in manual. Also frustrated with the charging -- after 6 hrs in evening, and another 6 hrs this morning, five blue lights still flashing. Supposed to stop flashing when full, never stopped, so I took off charger to use
Here are couple pics, filled cart waiting to settle, and core parts. There is a "healthstone-like" porous "target" part in the ceramic core -- that's what the laser hits and heats from other side. Those two little holes allow oil to seep in and onto target. Laser can't get to the nylon cart. Hope this makes sense, and my assumptions are correct
"No, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!"
It works! As we all presumed, it's one temp only. And, these are not thick clouds, again as expected. Similar to a cart hit in sub 2v warmup mode. Tasty like that, too
Was frustrated at first, no vapor. So, removed module, and detached core with filled cart. Laid face down for 10 more minutes, saw bubble finally at top, so oil was slow. Also had to press down several more times, as per recommended in manual. Also frustrated with the charging -- after 6 hrs in evening, and another 6 hrs this morning, five blue lights still flashing. Supposed to stop flashing when full, never stopped, so I took off charger to use
Here are couple pics, filled cart waiting to settle, and core parts. There is a "healthstone-like" porous "target" part in the ceramic core -- that's what the laser hits and heats from other side. Those two little holes allow oil to seep in and onto target. Laser can't get to the nylon cart. Hope this makes sense, and my assumptions are correct