His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Pun Intended?
The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread
- Thread starter CarolKing
- Start date
Pun Intended?
A billion dollars in campaign funds for this eleventh hour candidate just might do it.
Gunky
Well-Known Member
There is an absolutely astonishing interview of Trump by Jake Tapper where they discuss Trump's statements about the judge handling the Trump U matter. Trump says the judge can't be objective about him - he is building a wall, he keeps repeating - because the judge is Hispanic and of Mexican ancestry. The reporter says, isn't that the definition of racism, saying somebody can't judge you fairly because of their race? Trump can't see it. It would be laughable but for the fact that repubs are lining up behind this shitty racist.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/03/donald_trump_s_cnn_interview_is_incoherent_racist_and_terrifying.html
Seriously, go to the link and view the video. To say he is not presidential is the understatement of the year. Trump is pretty much of a nut case! Scary crazy. This very vid will pursue him the rest of the campaign. And all along as he says and does appalling things, the repubs are going to be questioned about why they support this. The repubs are really in the soup now! I think the democrats can win back majorities in both houses of congress. Who knows, maybe the next prez will sign a bill taking cannabis off the federal schedule!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/03/donald_trump_s_cnn_interview_is_incoherent_racist_and_terrifying.html
Seriously, go to the link and view the video. To say he is not presidential is the understatement of the year. Trump is pretty much of a nut case! Scary crazy. This very vid will pursue him the rest of the campaign. And all along as he says and does appalling things, the repubs are going to be questioned about why they support this. The repubs are really in the soup now! I think the democrats can win back majorities in both houses of congress. Who knows, maybe the next prez will sign a bill taking cannabis off the federal schedule!
Last edited:
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Ana Navarro is a Republican that isn't voting for Donald Trump.
Washington (CNN)Republican strategist and CNN contributor Ana Navarro excoriated Donald Trump on Friday for attacking a judge with Mexican heritage who is presiding over a lawsuit against Trump University.
Speaking to CNN's Jake Tapper on Friday, Trump doubled down on his criticism that U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel was biased against him because of his tough policy proposals against Mexico and illegal immigration.
Curiel last week ordered parts of internal documents, including "playbooks" regarding running the enterprise, to be released as part of a lawsuit against Trump University in response to a request by The Washington Post.
Navarro said the presumptive GOP presidential nominee was merely trying to distract from misconduct by the now-defunct school.
"It is highly offensive as a Hispanic. What he is doing is wagging the dog," Navarro told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "How dare he. How dare he question a judge's responsibility, a judge's adherence to the Constitution, because he is of Mexican descent?
This man was born in East Chicago. He is an American citizen. He is just as American as Donald Trump."
She continued: "Mexican-Americans bleed, just as any other American, when they go to war.
They bled just as any other American on 9/11. They fight for America. They are Americans. And what he is doing is disgusting. I am livid about it, and if this is his strategy to win over Hispanics, he's got a hell of a wake-up call coming to him come November."
Here's a good article.
Elizabeth Warren Slams Donald Trump's "Huge Conflicts of Interest" | Mother Jones
Mother Jones › politics › 2016/06 › eliza...
Washington (CNN)Republican strategist and CNN contributor Ana Navarro excoriated Donald Trump on Friday for attacking a judge with Mexican heritage who is presiding over a lawsuit against Trump University.
Speaking to CNN's Jake Tapper on Friday, Trump doubled down on his criticism that U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel was biased against him because of his tough policy proposals against Mexico and illegal immigration.
Curiel last week ordered parts of internal documents, including "playbooks" regarding running the enterprise, to be released as part of a lawsuit against Trump University in response to a request by The Washington Post.
Navarro said the presumptive GOP presidential nominee was merely trying to distract from misconduct by the now-defunct school.
"It is highly offensive as a Hispanic. What he is doing is wagging the dog," Navarro told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on "The Situation Room." "How dare he. How dare he question a judge's responsibility, a judge's adherence to the Constitution, because he is of Mexican descent?
This man was born in East Chicago. He is an American citizen. He is just as American as Donald Trump."
She continued: "Mexican-Americans bleed, just as any other American, when they go to war.
They bled just as any other American on 9/11. They fight for America. They are Americans. And what he is doing is disgusting. I am livid about it, and if this is his strategy to win over Hispanics, he's got a hell of a wake-up call coming to him come November."
Here's a good article.
Elizabeth Warren Slams Donald Trump's "Huge Conflicts of Interest" | Mother Jones
Mother Jones › politics › 2016/06 › eliza...
Last edited:
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Wonder what Trump would do if he contracted a serious illness where the only doctor who could help him was a Mexican Muslim? The stuff dreams are made of......
As disgusting as his prejudicial views are I can't help but marvel at how he is leveraging them. The judge is right that Trump is (wagging the dog). The same ugly statements that would normally be used against him are now going to keep the judge on his toes. The judge will now have to think twice about any rulings that could go against Trump that might seem inappropriate.
As disgusting as his prejudicial views are I can't help but marvel at how he is leveraging them. The judge is right that Trump is (wagging the dog). The same ugly statements that would normally be used against him are now going to keep the judge on his toes. The judge will now have to think twice about any rulings that could go against Trump that might seem inappropriate.
My understanding is that this judge is a good judge, and more than likely ALWAYS thinks more than twice before making a ruling. The more Trump is goaded on this matter the better I like it. It will help to show again and again how this larger-than-life mental amoeba operates in the business world, and hopefully translate for even the most ignorant among the masses what a ginormous hot-air ballooned jerk he is.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I think this judge issue shows America what a crazed idiot we are dealing with. How racist his statements sound. Nobody should be allowed to get away with these rants.
Trump's speech after Hillarys good speech a couple days ago was so shallow and desperate sounding. A lot can happen in the months up to the election.
The republicans are scrambling around everyday trying to come up with excuses for Trump. Trying to convince themselves this is really their nominee for the highest office in America. Their wondering WTF happened?
Ana Navarro is my new republican hero. I loved her statements on CNN.
Edit
He sounded so stupid on CNN telling Jake Tapper " I have a strong temperament."If that's going to convince anybody. He acts like the village idiot. Make sure you watch this interview with Jake Tapper.
He can't take any criticism. Everyone around him can't handle him. He's out of control. I hope he continues acting like this.
It will be an easy win at this rate. I thought he would tone things down. He keeps saying I'm building a wall and bringIng back jobs over and over again.
It was like he had nothing else to say. Except trashing this judge and saying Hillary needs to be in jail. He's whacked out! A train wreck for sure.
He's trying to turn back the racist card by 45 years. Nobody in the Republican Party should agree with this. They all need to stand up to this asshole and say knock this bullshit off.
Hillary just needs to keep pushing Trump's buttons. We can all watch him implode.
Trump's speech after Hillarys good speech a couple days ago was so shallow and desperate sounding. A lot can happen in the months up to the election.
The republicans are scrambling around everyday trying to come up with excuses for Trump. Trying to convince themselves this is really their nominee for the highest office in America. Their wondering WTF happened?
Ana Navarro is my new republican hero. I loved her statements on CNN.
Edit
He sounded so stupid on CNN telling Jake Tapper " I have a strong temperament."If that's going to convince anybody. He acts like the village idiot. Make sure you watch this interview with Jake Tapper.
He can't take any criticism. Everyone around him can't handle him. He's out of control. I hope he continues acting like this.
It will be an easy win at this rate. I thought he would tone things down. He keeps saying I'm building a wall and bringIng back jobs over and over again.
It was like he had nothing else to say. Except trashing this judge and saying Hillary needs to be in jail. He's whacked out! A train wreck for sure.
He's trying to turn back the racist card by 45 years. Nobody in the Republican Party should agree with this. They all need to stand up to this asshole and say knock this bullshit off.
Hillary just needs to keep pushing Trump's buttons. We can all watch him implode.
Last edited:
grokit
well-worn member
Which Candidate’s Ideas Resonate With Biden And Obama?
While neither President Obama nor Vice President Biden are going to issue a public endorsement for the Democratic nomination, both are more in favor of solutions offered by Bernie Sanders than they are to those offered by Hillary Clinton.
In an interview with the New York Times, Biden takes issue with Secretary Clinton’s stance that we’ve got to be “pragmatic” because there are certain things we just can’t get done.
“I like the idea of saying, ‘We can do much more’ because we can,“ Biden said. “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying ‘We can’t think that big – we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic. C’mon man, this is the Democratic Party! I’m not part of the party that says, ‘Well, we can’t do it.’”
Not surprising coming from the man who, when he made his first bid for the presidency in 1987, stated, “The clarion call for our generation is not ‘It’s our turn.’ We must rekindle the fire of idealism in this country.”
For his part, President Obama, who in 2012 put forward the idea of reducing Social Security benefits by changing the way those benefits are calculated – remember the big fight over chained CPI? – well, now he’s on Bernie’s page.
During a speech on economic policy in Elkhart, Indiana, the president said, “We can’t afford to weaken Social Security. We should be strengthening Social Security. And not only do we need to strengthen its long-term health, it’s time we finally made Social Security more generous, and increased its benefits so that today’s retirees and future generations get the dignified retirement that they’ve earned.” He said we can do this “by asking the wealthiest Americans to contribute a little bit more.” To be fair, Hillary Clinton has also adopted Bernie’s stance, although in a more cautious version.
Social Security has been one of the clarion calls of the Sanders bid for the White House. When he announced his candidacy, Senator Sanders said, “Instead of cutting Social Security, we’re going to expand Social Security benefits.”
It is no secret to anyone who has paid the least bit of attention that the Obama presidency has been the target of obstruction from Day One. He inherited a mess of monumental proportions, and in the midst of putting the brakes on the slide into economic oblivion and dealing with the outrage that a black man dared to sit in the Oval Office, he somehow managed to get the Affordable Care Act passed. I was among those who were disappointed that he let the public option slide, but given what he faced, it’s a miracle he did what presidents since FDR have tried and failed to do, imperfect though it is.
Secretary Clinton is always saying she wants to expand on President Obama’s legacy, but her ideas are a continuation of the status quo. If we really want to build on what Obama accomplished, we need to take the next logical step and join the community of nations that guarantee health care to all. If we want to be world leaders, we must hark back to what we once did before the privatization craze fostered by conservatives took hold and offer free tuition at our public colleges and universities – not just junior college, but all public educational facilities. Of course, it will take tax money to accomplish that, but other countries are doing it successfully without collapsing into economic ruin.
It comes down to this: Are we willing to be bold? Or will we be satisfied with baby steps that cater more to the interests of the wealthy and corporate interests? It puts me in mind of something I heard Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton, say regarding Hillary. He said that she is a great candidate and would make a great president for the system of government we have now. But that government isn’t working for the middle class. And that is why he has endorsed Bernie Sanders.
That is the crux of this entire election cycle. People face monumental struggles on a daily basis and are angry because our government has not served them well. It is why we have seen the ascendance of Donald Trump. It is why a little known senator from Vermont is giving one of the most famous women on the planet a real challenge for the highest office in the land.
The status quo is not working. It has not been working for a long time, but it took a long time before people realized how bad it had become. Now is not the time for half-measures and for so-called pragmatism. It is time to step up to the plate and demand better for our country and for our people. It is time to put forward bold ideas and fight for them, because, like Joe Biden said, “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying ‘We can’t think that big – we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic.”
http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/which-candidates-ideas-resonate-with-biden-and-obama/
While neither President Obama nor Vice President Biden are going to issue a public endorsement for the Democratic nomination, both are more in favor of solutions offered by Bernie Sanders than they are to those offered by Hillary Clinton.
In an interview with the New York Times, Biden takes issue with Secretary Clinton’s stance that we’ve got to be “pragmatic” because there are certain things we just can’t get done.
“I like the idea of saying, ‘We can do much more’ because we can,“ Biden said. “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying ‘We can’t think that big – we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic. C’mon man, this is the Democratic Party! I’m not part of the party that says, ‘Well, we can’t do it.’”
Not surprising coming from the man who, when he made his first bid for the presidency in 1987, stated, “The clarion call for our generation is not ‘It’s our turn.’ We must rekindle the fire of idealism in this country.”
For his part, President Obama, who in 2012 put forward the idea of reducing Social Security benefits by changing the way those benefits are calculated – remember the big fight over chained CPI? – well, now he’s on Bernie’s page.
During a speech on economic policy in Elkhart, Indiana, the president said, “We can’t afford to weaken Social Security. We should be strengthening Social Security. And not only do we need to strengthen its long-term health, it’s time we finally made Social Security more generous, and increased its benefits so that today’s retirees and future generations get the dignified retirement that they’ve earned.” He said we can do this “by asking the wealthiest Americans to contribute a little bit more.” To be fair, Hillary Clinton has also adopted Bernie’s stance, although in a more cautious version.
Social Security has been one of the clarion calls of the Sanders bid for the White House. When he announced his candidacy, Senator Sanders said, “Instead of cutting Social Security, we’re going to expand Social Security benefits.”
It is no secret to anyone who has paid the least bit of attention that the Obama presidency has been the target of obstruction from Day One. He inherited a mess of monumental proportions, and in the midst of putting the brakes on the slide into economic oblivion and dealing with the outrage that a black man dared to sit in the Oval Office, he somehow managed to get the Affordable Care Act passed. I was among those who were disappointed that he let the public option slide, but given what he faced, it’s a miracle he did what presidents since FDR have tried and failed to do, imperfect though it is.
Secretary Clinton is always saying she wants to expand on President Obama’s legacy, but her ideas are a continuation of the status quo. If we really want to build on what Obama accomplished, we need to take the next logical step and join the community of nations that guarantee health care to all. If we want to be world leaders, we must hark back to what we once did before the privatization craze fostered by conservatives took hold and offer free tuition at our public colleges and universities – not just junior college, but all public educational facilities. Of course, it will take tax money to accomplish that, but other countries are doing it successfully without collapsing into economic ruin.
It comes down to this: Are we willing to be bold? Or will we be satisfied with baby steps that cater more to the interests of the wealthy and corporate interests? It puts me in mind of something I heard Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton, say regarding Hillary. He said that she is a great candidate and would make a great president for the system of government we have now. But that government isn’t working for the middle class. And that is why he has endorsed Bernie Sanders.
That is the crux of this entire election cycle. People face monumental struggles on a daily basis and are angry because our government has not served them well. It is why we have seen the ascendance of Donald Trump. It is why a little known senator from Vermont is giving one of the most famous women on the planet a real challenge for the highest office in the land.
The status quo is not working. It has not been working for a long time, but it took a long time before people realized how bad it had become. Now is not the time for half-measures and for so-called pragmatism. It is time to step up to the plate and demand better for our country and for our people. It is time to put forward bold ideas and fight for them, because, like Joe Biden said, “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying ‘We can’t think that big – we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic.”
http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/which-candidates-ideas-resonate-with-biden-and-obama/
Adobewan
Well-Known Member
But I thought Hillary was the one true candidate.Which Candidate’s Ideas Resonate With Biden And Obama?
While neither President Obama nor Vice President Biden are going to issue a public endorsement for the Democratic nomination, both are more in favor of solutions offered by Bernie Sanders than they are to those offered by Hillary Clinton.
In an interview with the New York Times, Biden takes issue with Secretary Clinton’s stance that we’ve got to be “pragmatic” because there are certain things we just can’t get done.
“I like the idea of saying, ‘We can do much more’ because we can,“ Biden said. “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying ‘We can’t think that big – we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic. C’mon man, this is the Democratic Party! I’m not part of the party that says, ‘Well, we can’t do it.’”
Not surprising coming from the man who, when he made his first bid for the presidency in 1987, stated, “The clarion call for our generation is not ‘It’s our turn.’ We must rekindle the fire of idealism in this country.”
For his part, President Obama, who in 2012 put forward the idea of reducing Social Security benefits by changing the way those benefits are calculated – remember the big fight over chained CPI? – well, now he’s on Bernie’s page.
During a speech on economic policy in Elkhart, Indiana, the president said, “We can’t afford to weaken Social Security. We should be strengthening Social Security. And not only do we need to strengthen its long-term health, it’s time we finally made Social Security more generous, and increased its benefits so that today’s retirees and future generations get the dignified retirement that they’ve earned.” He said we can do this “by asking the wealthiest Americans to contribute a little bit more.” To be fair, Hillary Clinton has also adopted Bernie’s stance, although in a more cautious version.
Social Security has been one of the clarion calls of the Sanders bid for the White House. When he announced his candidacy, Senator Sanders said, “Instead of cutting Social Security, we’re going to expand Social Security benefits.”
It is no secret to anyone who has paid the least bit of attention that the Obama presidency has been the target of obstruction from Day One. He inherited a mess of monumental proportions, and in the midst of putting the brakes on the slide into economic oblivion and dealing with the outrage that a black man dared to sit in the Oval Office, he somehow managed to get the Affordable Care Act passed. I was among those who were disappointed that he let the public option slide, but given what he faced, it’s a miracle he did what presidents since FDR have tried and failed to do, imperfect though it is.
Secretary Clinton is always saying she wants to expand on President Obama’s legacy, but her ideas are a continuation of the status quo. If we really want to build on what Obama accomplished, we need to take the next logical step and join the community of nations that guarantee health care to all. If we want to be world leaders, we must hark back to what we once did before the privatization craze fostered by conservatives took hold and offer free tuition at our public colleges and universities – not just junior college, but all public educational facilities. Of course, it will take tax money to accomplish that, but other countries are doing it successfully without collapsing into economic ruin.
It comes down to this: Are we willing to be bold? Or will we be satisfied with baby steps that cater more to the interests of the wealthy and corporate interests? It puts me in mind of something I heard Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton, say regarding Hillary. He said that she is a great candidate and would make a great president for the system of government we have now. But that government isn’t working for the middle class. And that is why he has endorsed Bernie Sanders.
That is the crux of this entire election cycle. People face monumental struggles on a daily basis and are angry because our government has not served them well. It is why we have seen the ascendance of Donald Trump. It is why a little known senator from Vermont is giving one of the most famous women on the planet a real challenge for the highest office in the land.
The status quo is not working. It has not been working for a long time, but it took a long time before people realized how bad it had become. Now is not the time for half-measures and for so-called pragmatism. It is time to step up to the plate and demand better for our country and for our people. It is time to put forward bold ideas and fight for them, because, like Joe Biden said, “I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying ‘We can’t think that big – we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic.”
http://samuel-warde.com/2016/06/which-candidates-ideas-resonate-with-biden-and-obama/
Gunky
Well-Known Member
This is a very silly and self-contradictory article. It's trying to make out that Sanders is the real heir to Obama/Biden while at the same time saying the status quo is abominable and unacceptable.
Um, the status quo? That would be Obama/Biden for the last eight years! The author wants Obama/Biden pixie dust to rub off on Sanders while at the same time suggesting Obama/Biden/Clinton are out of touch incrementalist failures. Uh huh.
Obama is an incrementalist failure; Bernie will continue Obama's success. Now you can believe one of these but logically it is very tenuous to assert both at the same time.
Gunky
Well-Known Member
I knew I could count on you for detailed observation, closely argued yet impeccable logic, the small piquant twist revealing a subtle dig at an opposing viewpoint, and the original synthesis which transcends hackneyed tropes. Well done!
On another note, you seem to be vaping much better stuff than me.
I yield (NOT!) to the self-proclaimed know-it-all know-nothing always condescending (e.g., "you do know..." blah blah blah") holier-than-thou expert on all present-day political happenings...
BTW... been a very very very very long T-break... any other brilliant observations to share, genius? Eating your sweetbreads for breakfast little calf (not much nutrition at all though, and very bland). Keep impressing yourself - a lonely venture is assured.
Per @Gunky - "I knew I could count on you for detailed observation, closely argued yet impeccable logic, the small piquant twist revealing a subtle dig at an opposing viewpoint, and the original synthesis which transcends hackneyed tropes. Well done!"
BTW... been a very very very very long T-break... any other brilliant observations to share, genius? Eating your sweetbreads for breakfast little calf (not much nutrition at all though, and very bland). Keep impressing yourself - a lonely venture is assured.
Per @Gunky - "I knew I could count on you for detailed observation, closely argued yet impeccable logic, the small piquant twist revealing a subtle dig at an opposing viewpoint, and the original synthesis which transcends hackneyed tropes. Well done!"
Last edited:
I pity the poor kitty on top of that shitty... SHIT HEAD!
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
This is from a few days ago.
Take for instance recent comments from world-renowned scientist Stephen Hawking who didn’t exactly have anything nice to say about the GOP’s soon-to-be presidential nominee.
During an interview with Good Morning Britain, he was asked to explain how Trump’s campaign has managed to be so successful. “I can’t. He’s a demagogue, who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator,” Hawking answered.
This is one of the smartest human beings on the planet who recognized that Trump’s success, even though he clearly doesn’t understand the ignorance of his supporters, is due in large part because he pandered to the more ignorant people in this county — aka the “lowest common denominator.”
It’s a fairly sad day for this nation when a man who’s considered one of the most brilliant human beings who’s probably ever lived, someone who’s a bona fide genius, seems puzzled that there are tens of millions of people in this country who are dumb enough to support a “demagogue” who appeals to the “lowest common denominator.”
When someone who understands scientific theories that are so complex most humans can’t even grasp them, doesn’t seem to comprehend how someone who’s an obvious fraud like Donald Trump managed to become so successful politically, that’s saying something. But it’s okay, right? After all Trump has people like Mike Tyson, Scott Baio, Dennis Rodman and Ted Nugent in his corner — who needs Stephen Hawking?! This just shows you how much the rest of the world is laughing at us right now.
They’re not paying attention to our election because they find the dynamics of it interesting, but rather because one of our nation’s two largest political parties is about to nominate an absolute joke as their presidential nominee.
A candidate who even most within his own party seem ashamed of the fact that he managed to win their presidential nomination. And if by some chance he does become our next president, the damage he’ll inflict upon this country – and the world – might never be undone. That’s why I’m going to do everything I can until election day to make damn sure that doesn’t happen.
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...n-donald-trump-matter-more-than-most-realize/
Take for instance recent comments from world-renowned scientist Stephen Hawking who didn’t exactly have anything nice to say about the GOP’s soon-to-be presidential nominee.
During an interview with Good Morning Britain, he was asked to explain how Trump’s campaign has managed to be so successful. “I can’t. He’s a demagogue, who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator,” Hawking answered.
This is one of the smartest human beings on the planet who recognized that Trump’s success, even though he clearly doesn’t understand the ignorance of his supporters, is due in large part because he pandered to the more ignorant people in this county — aka the “lowest common denominator.”
It’s a fairly sad day for this nation when a man who’s considered one of the most brilliant human beings who’s probably ever lived, someone who’s a bona fide genius, seems puzzled that there are tens of millions of people in this country who are dumb enough to support a “demagogue” who appeals to the “lowest common denominator.”
When someone who understands scientific theories that are so complex most humans can’t even grasp them, doesn’t seem to comprehend how someone who’s an obvious fraud like Donald Trump managed to become so successful politically, that’s saying something. But it’s okay, right? After all Trump has people like Mike Tyson, Scott Baio, Dennis Rodman and Ted Nugent in his corner — who needs Stephen Hawking?! This just shows you how much the rest of the world is laughing at us right now.
They’re not paying attention to our election because they find the dynamics of it interesting, but rather because one of our nation’s two largest political parties is about to nominate an absolute joke as their presidential nominee.
A candidate who even most within his own party seem ashamed of the fact that he managed to win their presidential nomination. And if by some chance he does become our next president, the damage he’ll inflict upon this country – and the world – might never be undone. That’s why I’m going to do everything I can until election day to make damn sure that doesn’t happen.
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...n-donald-trump-matter-more-than-most-realize/
Gunky
Well-Known Member
I think the impression in the public mind of the Donald has finally reached some sort of critical mass. The Jake Tapper interview in particular was an inflection point and revealed a creepy and deranged-sounding man: excitable, unstable, and living in his own unreflective, solipsistic world where outright racism can just be explained away; seemingly unaware of the figure he was cutting. And this happened at the exact same moment Clinton hit her stride, got his number and found her voice. Trump and Trumpism are dangerous but I am not as concerned as before.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
@Gunky - It's going to take more than Clinton finding her voice to reduce my concerns.
For me....It's going to take Trump's base turning away from him before I'll breath a sigh of relief. Until then .... the man is made of Teflon in my view, the republicans will continue to back him and Hillary is not a shoe-in.
For me....It's going to take Trump's base turning away from him before I'll breath a sigh of relief. Until then .... the man is made of Teflon in my view, the republicans will continue to back him and Hillary is not a shoe-in.
lwien
Well-Known Member
That's never going to happen. If they haven't turned away by now, they never will.
What percentage is his base as compared to the general voting population?
Farid
Well-Known Member
Unless Gary Johnson manages to steal significant Trump votes, I forsee a Trump sweep. I've worked in convenience stores, where all aspects of life walk in, and a candidate like Trump resonates strongly with a lot of those types of people. Hillary just doesn't resonate with people the same way.
I just don't see the same enthusiasm for Hillary that there is for Trump. I'm not saying I support him, and I would never vote for him, but enough Americans support him to make me very concerned. Sanders is the only candidate who has the same kind of enthusiastic support, but it seems the DNC will do anything to stop him from getting the nomination. I think the DNC is detached from reality, and doesn't see that they have to look at the whole election rather than just propping up their chosen candidate.
I also think Trump is going to quiet down his bigotry now that hes the Republican nominee, and focus on slamming Clinton. Since the American public has amnesia, they will look past his racism and I think he will steal a lot of the right leaning independents.
I'm very afraid of people who are against Trump, sitting in an anti Trump echo chamber, and writing off anybody who expresses sympathy for Trump as a bigot or racist. When you cut yourself off from different opinions you effectively cut yourself off from reality. If we do not accept Trump as a very real threat with a very real chance of getting to the white house we are just setting ourselves up for disaster.
I just don't see the same enthusiasm for Hillary that there is for Trump. I'm not saying I support him, and I would never vote for him, but enough Americans support him to make me very concerned. Sanders is the only candidate who has the same kind of enthusiastic support, but it seems the DNC will do anything to stop him from getting the nomination. I think the DNC is detached from reality, and doesn't see that they have to look at the whole election rather than just propping up their chosen candidate.
I also think Trump is going to quiet down his bigotry now that hes the Republican nominee, and focus on slamming Clinton. Since the American public has amnesia, they will look past his racism and I think he will steal a lot of the right leaning independents.
I'm very afraid of people who are against Trump, sitting in an anti Trump echo chamber, and writing off anybody who expresses sympathy for Trump as a bigot or racist. When you cut yourself off from different opinions you effectively cut yourself off from reality. If we do not accept Trump as a very real threat with a very real chance of getting to the white house we are just setting ourselves up for disaster.
Last edited:
TeeJay1952
Well-Known Member
yes but do they vote?
I find that one note players get bored and don't follow through. They get their kicks from complaining.
I find that one note players get bored and don't follow through. They get their kicks from complaining.
BD9
Well-Known Member
Just my opinion, but I say yes they do vote. I say this because of the rise of the Tea Party. They were very, very, vocal and they voted.
As for my liberal bros and sisters, not so much. Unfortunately, apathy is prevalent among liberals for some reason. They say "Things need to change!". And, "That's not right!", but they're no where to be found when the poles open. If liberals put their words into action, I feel things would be different.