The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread
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I needed that this morning.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I'm surprised we haven't seen some kind of scandal regarding Donald Trump. All these years all his business dealings? All these illegal citizens that have worked a his hotels and all his other holdings. There's got to be some shady activities. True he has good lawyers and plenty of money to buy people off.
He's not a self made man, his dad was rich. I hoping for some kind of bombshell about past activities.
He's not a self made man, his dad was rich. I hoping for some kind of bombshell about past activities.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Truth is I don't think any of that is necessary. Trump will collapse under his own weight. I know he frightens people, as does Carson, but I really see it as a waste of angst.
I don't think Fiorini is much of a threat either, but more of one than the other two. She tends not to disqualify herself every time she speaks.
I think the real threat to Dems is Cruz and Rubio. Even Jeb is fading fast, and faster every time he brings George in to help.
YMMV
I don't think Fiorini is much of a threat either, but more of one than the other two. She tends not to disqualify herself every time she speaks.
I think the real threat to Dems is Cruz and Rubio. Even Jeb is fading fast, and faster every time he brings George in to help.
YMMV
howie105
Well-Known Member
I am so far behind the ball on this, I still see the big "T" as the warm up act, that way Jeb doesn’t peak too early and he gets to look statesman like. I still think that when the polls open we will see Clinton versus Bush, so my original concern remains, I don't like legacy candidates and both parties look to be doing that in sixteen.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Personally I think the talk about Hillary being a "Dynasty" or "Legacy" candidate is silly. Bill and Hillary are only related by marriage. Was Elizabeth Dole creating a Dynasty when she was in politics? No, they were just husband and wife in the same business.
Dynasties normally refer to multiple generation in the same family, or if in the same generation at least blood relatives like the Kennedys or the Roosevelts. Think Bush, or McCain or Rockefeller or Cuomo when you are referring to Dynasties.
Now, if you get Chelsey into politics then we can talk...
Dynasties normally refer to multiple generation in the same family, or if in the same generation at least blood relatives like the Kennedys or the Roosevelts. Think Bush, or McCain or Rockefeller or Cuomo when you are referring to Dynasties.
Now, if you get Chelsey into politics then we can talk...
I think Rubio presents himself quite well and speaks very intelligently on all subjects without any hesitations in his delivery, being well versed and knowledgeable, or so it seems to me. I like that he stands against Common Core and Federal interference in state and local education decisions and mandates. He and Bernie Sanders stand out the tallest amongst the weeds in this field, in my view.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Right, because Jefferson Davis is more important to history than Thomas Jefferson. And slavery was just a way to keep the negros in line. And Jim Crow was nothing but a liberal lie. And christianity is the only religion that matters and anyone who follows anything else is a heathen, and it is critical that we make that clear in our schools. And lets not forget we need to teach "Intelligent Design" in science class, and stop teaching those Darwinian lies.
Yeah, local control of school curriculum is a great idea.
The Common Core curriculum and testing initiative takes none of the above into consideration one way or the other. It is an academic bar set way too high for the vast majority of kids who for whatever reasons are not yet developmentally ready for the complexity and depth of the material we, as teachers, are mandated to shovel down their throats, ready or not. And the CC curriculum must be administered according to a pacing guide timeline which in effect is so fast and furious that it becomes 95% indigestible with little to no long term retention potential. When comes time to test, the kids just christmas tree the answer bubble sheets - we have taught them to fail. Teachers no longer have any autonomy in the classroom or any decision-making authority. We teachers are merely token stakeholders who's pay and careers hang in the balance of our student's final high-stakes scores. We are given the sheet music by the powers that be to conduct our class orchestras with expectations of grand symphonies - the results are anything but melodic. Education has become a travesty beyond belief. Common Core is chemo & radiation therapy that kills off all of the healthy tissue and metastasizes the bad. It destroys student and teacher motivation & moral, and the will to even learn how to learn with meaningful proficiency. It is joyless and counter-productive for all concerned.
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The testing in many of our school districts have gotten out of hand. There are assessments upon assessments. The teachers are having to teach to the test. The key is to give the students help and intervention at an early age so the students will be ready for the test.
The schools are expected to be the nurse the parents and the social worker plus a physiologist all in one - also teach academics. Often times in the upper elementary grades the teachers have 28 students. All the students are lumped in the testing and and scoring. The students that are in special education are tested too, they do get special asjustments like a proctor to either read or write for them. The proctor cannot tell them the answers or help with spelling and punctuation.
Many children are living in disfunctional families with a lot of every day chaos. Those children might be low academically, but not low enough for any help. There are measures that assure there is no cheating. The children receive a series of different tests and have arranged seating. The teachers don't even know what's on the test beforehand. They just know ahead of time the areas that will need be to covered.
A lot of the schools are giving the tests on computers so tests times need to be staggered to accommodate everyone. The school only has so many workable computers.
In our area its posted in the newspaper how well the different schools did on their testing grade wise and each subject. That's fine but the public doesn't realize some schools have a higher rate of poverty than other schools and that reflects in the student's scoring.
The "No child left behind " policy of George W Bush left children behind.
Let the states decide but they need to hold to a high standard. That's a heated subject for me as you can tell.
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Special Education teachers are in demand because the burn out rate is so high. There is a shortage of Sped Teachers in my my state and I think elsewhere. They are asked to do so much now days. They need to be compensated for such difficult work.
The schools are expected to be the nurse the parents and the social worker plus a physiologist all in one - also teach academics. Often times in the upper elementary grades the teachers have 28 students. All the students are lumped in the testing and and scoring. The students that are in special education are tested too, they do get special asjustments like a proctor to either read or write for them. The proctor cannot tell them the answers or help with spelling and punctuation.
Many children are living in disfunctional families with a lot of every day chaos. Those children might be low academically, but not low enough for any help. There are measures that assure there is no cheating. The children receive a series of different tests and have arranged seating. The teachers don't even know what's on the test beforehand. They just know ahead of time the areas that will need be to covered.
A lot of the schools are giving the tests on computers so tests times need to be staggered to accommodate everyone. The school only has so many workable computers.
In our area its posted in the newspaper how well the different schools did on their testing grade wise and each subject. That's fine but the public doesn't realize some schools have a higher rate of poverty than other schools and that reflects in the student's scoring.
The "No child left behind " policy of George W Bush left children behind.
Let the states decide but they need to hold to a high standard. That's a heated subject for me as you can tell.
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Special Education teachers are in demand because the burn out rate is so high. There is a shortage of Sped Teachers in my my state and I think elsewhere. They are asked to do so much now days. They need to be compensated for such difficult work.
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grokit
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This pisses me off, whether it's because of citizens united or not.CNN Deletes Pro-Bernie Sanders Poll and User Comments
Is CNN censoring Bernie Sanders supporters? The network is under fire this week after users noticed that not only was a poll removed showing Sanders as the winner of the first Democratic debate, but that pro-Bernie comments were disappearing as well.
CNN has come under fire in the last few days for pushing a pro-Hillary agenda and actually censoring reactions to the Democratic debate that took place on Tuesday night.
It started with a poll. CNN asked their audience to vote live for who they thought won the debate on Tuesday night. Poll results showed Sanders overwhelmingly as the winner, with over 75% of the votes. Suddenly, however, the poll disappeared, only to be replaced by a pro-Hillary headline story.
CNN later declared Hillary Clinton as the winner of the night’s debate stating: “Hillary Clinton proved without a doubt Tuesday night why she is the Democratic Party’s presidential front-runner.”
Then, other Sanders supporters on Facebook started noticing their pro-Bernie comments being removed from CNN stories.
According to Media Equalizer, there are certain messages being specifically targeted – mainly those that mention CNN’s conflict of interest in their support for Hillary. You see, CNN’s parent company, Time Warner, is a huge donor to Hillary Clinton:
Media Equalizer also managed to take screen shots of some of the comments that were later deleted:
Supporters of Sanders haven’t given up though. Users are continuing to post their comments and call out the network any way they can, even if it means re-posting previously deleted content.
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grokit
well-worn member
While cnn willingly and unashamedly cheats for hillary overall,they have apparently conceded the (recreational) cannabis vote to sanders.
On marijuana: What Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders would do
Washington (CNN)One burning question on some voters' minds was put to rest during the first Democratic debate, hosted by CNN and Facebook Tuesday night in Las Vegas: What would the top candidates do when it comes to legalizing marijuana.
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who commands the liberal left with his economic policy positions, said he would vote in favor of a local Nevada measure that would legalize recreational pot use.
"I would vote yes because I am seeing in this country too many lives being destroyed for non-violent offenses," he said. "We have a criminal justice system that lets CEOs on Wall Street walk away, and yet we are imprisoning or giving jail sentences to young people who are smoking marijuana."
For former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the answer was hazier.
Asked if she was ready to take a position on legalizing recreational marijuana, she replied, "No."
"I think that we have the opportunity through the states that are pursuing recreational marijuana to find out a lot more than we know today," she said. "I do support the use of medical marijuana, and I think even there we need to do a lot more research so that we know exactly how we're going to help people for whom medical marijuana provides relief."
But Clinton said she agreed with Sanders on reforming the criminal justice system when it comes to punishment for pot...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/pot-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html
howie105
Well-Known Member
I have a problem with power centralizing itself into a family, for instance the Bush family. What one wishes to call it is of little concern compared to the ramifications of its occurrence.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Well Joe Biden has decided it's too late to run for prez. His heart wasn't in it, we don't want him to run out of obligation.
So it looks like smooth sailing for Hillary and the Democratic nomination. I prefer Bernie Sanders but it may be difficult for him to win a presidential election. It comes down to the fact that he's Jewish. It's racism pure and simple and folks think he's a socialist. It might be a tall order a college education for everyone who wants it. It would be nice though.
So it looks like smooth sailing for Hillary and the Democratic nomination. I prefer Bernie Sanders but it may be difficult for him to win a presidential election. It comes down to the fact that he's Jewish. It's racism pure and simple and folks think he's a socialist. It might be a tall order a college education for everyone who wants it. It would be nice though.
mikeben
Well-Known Member
Certainly this link should be pretty imperative as far as what people in here focus on. https://www.mpp.org/2016-presidential-candidates/
This site is not only giving us up to date info on all of their utterances and stances, and what they have actually done for or against cannabis reform, but like I mentioned in the Illinois thread it let's you contact everyone who is running and let them know what you think of their stance on Cannabis. MPP.org is just a great site because you can contact your local, state, and national politicians and let all of them know what you think about cannabis. There are a ton of ready made emails, but you can change them to anything you like. I've done about 3 dozen in the last week and I truly feel empowered. That's what politics should be about, us having the power to take a stand on our issues and letting, even those you feel oppose you, know how you feel. There's power in numbers and in cash, remind them of that.
As far as the rest, I certainly don't like anyone just because they have an R or a D by their name. I don't fully support the public stances of either the left or right wings, and privately who even knows what they think. All public figures are putting up a front of sorts, and politicians are the worst. They go with the trends, whatever gets them votes, we just have to make cannabis prohibition something intolerable to any incumbent President. I say we are at least on our way, but again take action with both sides. Use resources like the MPP. The ones you hate most are the ones you have to work on hardest. Bottom line, Colorado made more money with flowers than with booze last year, that means something to both partie$.
This site is not only giving us up to date info on all of their utterances and stances, and what they have actually done for or against cannabis reform, but like I mentioned in the Illinois thread it let's you contact everyone who is running and let them know what you think of their stance on Cannabis. MPP.org is just a great site because you can contact your local, state, and national politicians and let all of them know what you think about cannabis. There are a ton of ready made emails, but you can change them to anything you like. I've done about 3 dozen in the last week and I truly feel empowered. That's what politics should be about, us having the power to take a stand on our issues and letting, even those you feel oppose you, know how you feel. There's power in numbers and in cash, remind them of that.
As far as the rest, I certainly don't like anyone just because they have an R or a D by their name. I don't fully support the public stances of either the left or right wings, and privately who even knows what they think. All public figures are putting up a front of sorts, and politicians are the worst. They go with the trends, whatever gets them votes, we just have to make cannabis prohibition something intolerable to any incumbent President. I say we are at least on our way, but again take action with both sides. Use resources like the MPP. The ones you hate most are the ones you have to work on hardest. Bottom line, Colorado made more money with flowers than with booze last year, that means something to both partie$.
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KimDracula
Well-Known Member
Virtually no politicians are going to represent all of our views. I'm a pretty radical Lefty, for instance, so I always have problems with what even the Democrats are doing. There are, however, huge differences between the Democrats and the Republicans. The Democrats are imperfect while the Republicans are lunatic villains. It's a mistake to draw a false equivalency between the two.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
After watching bits and pieces of the Benghazi hearing of Hillary Clinton with the mean spirited questions from the lawmakers trying to pin the killing of these men directly on her. I'm not a fan of Hillary but it made me angry. They looked like a bunch of bullies. I was glad she handled herself presidential like and didn't get pissed off or snippy. She showed that she felt horrible about this and lost many nights of sleep trying to figure out how she could have done things differently.
IMO I think she did very well and it made the Republicans look bad.
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It looks like the Republicans are using the death of these men to screw up any chances that she may have for president. I think it's going to backfire on them.
IMO I think she did very well and it made the Republicans look bad.
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It looks like the Republicans are using the death of these men to screw up any chances that she may have for president. I think it's going to backfire on them.
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Gunky
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None of the other candidates on either side of the aisle could have come up with the masterful performance Hillary Clinton put in today. She made her tormentors look small and unprofessional. They also convicted themselves in the court of public opinion by going after her personally, all the while furiously denying that the committee was a naked attempt to go after her personally.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
This is pretty important stuff, and I wouldn't want anyone to miss it. Not in spite of, but because of. We are in a very scary time of American Politics...
Maybe the time has passed for Iowa to matter in American electoral politics. Maybe...
Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson bows his head in prayer before speaking at a town hall meeting, Oct. 2, 2015, in Ankeny, Iowa.
Photo by Charlie Neibergall/AP
Carson thrives because of, not in spite of, bizarre rhetoric
10/23/15 02:19 PM
By Steve Benen
For much of the summer, Donald Trump dominated Republican presidential polls everywhere, and Iowa was no different. The New York developer may not seem like a natural fit for Hawkeye State conservatives, but statewide surveys consistently showed Trump leading the GOP field.
This week, however, he’s been replaced. A Quinnipiac poll in Iowa, released yesterday, showed retired right-wing neurosurgeon Ben Carson leading Trump, 28% to 20%, a big swing from early September, when Quinnipiac showed Trump ahead in Iowa by six points.
Today, a Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics poll offers very similar results, with Carson leading Trump in the Hawkeye State, 28% to 19%. In August, the same poll showed Trump up by five.
But this line in the DMR’s report on the poll results stood out for me:
Even Carson’s most controversial comments – about Muslims, Hitler and slavery – are attractive to likely Republican caucusgoers.
This isn’t a conclusion drawn through inference; the poll actually asked Iowa Republicans for their thoughts on some of Carson’s … shall we say … eccentricities.
The poll told GOP respondents, “I’m going to mention some things people have said about Ben Carson. Regardless of whether you support him for president, please tell me for each if this is something that you find very attractive about him, mostly attractive, mostly unattractive, or very unattractive.”
If we combine “very attractive” and “mostly attractive” responses, these are Iowa Republicans’ positive feelings about Ben Carson:
1. “He is not a career politician”: 85%
2. “He has no experience in foreign policy”: 42%
3. “He was highly successful as a neurosurgeon”: 88%
4. “He has said the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is the worst thing since slavery”: 81%
5. ”He has an inspirational personal story”: 85%
6. “He has raised questions about whether a Muslim should ever be president of the United States”: 73%
7. “He has said he would be guided by his faith in God”: 89%
8. “He has said that Hitler might not have been as successful if the people had been armed”: 77%
9. “He approaches issues with common sense”: 96%
10. “He has conducted research on tissue from aborted fetuses”: 31%
In case it’s not obvious, pay particular attention to numbers 4, 6, and 8.
For many political observers, one of the questions surrounding Carson’s candidacy for months has been how he intends to overcome some of the ridiculous rhetoric about his off-the-wall beliefs. But this badly misses the point – Iowa Republicans like and agree with the ridiculous rhetoric about Carson’s off-the-wall beliefs.
Maybe the time has passed for Iowa to matter in American electoral politics. Maybe...
Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson bows his head in prayer before speaking at a town hall meeting, Oct. 2, 2015, in Ankeny, Iowa.
Photo by Charlie Neibergall/AP
Carson thrives because of, not in spite of, bizarre rhetoric
10/23/15 02:19 PM
By Steve Benen
For much of the summer, Donald Trump dominated Republican presidential polls everywhere, and Iowa was no different. The New York developer may not seem like a natural fit for Hawkeye State conservatives, but statewide surveys consistently showed Trump leading the GOP field.
This week, however, he’s been replaced. A Quinnipiac poll in Iowa, released yesterday, showed retired right-wing neurosurgeon Ben Carson leading Trump, 28% to 20%, a big swing from early September, when Quinnipiac showed Trump ahead in Iowa by six points.
Today, a Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics poll offers very similar results, with Carson leading Trump in the Hawkeye State, 28% to 19%. In August, the same poll showed Trump up by five.
But this line in the DMR’s report on the poll results stood out for me:
Even Carson’s most controversial comments – about Muslims, Hitler and slavery – are attractive to likely Republican caucusgoers.
This isn’t a conclusion drawn through inference; the poll actually asked Iowa Republicans for their thoughts on some of Carson’s … shall we say … eccentricities.
The poll told GOP respondents, “I’m going to mention some things people have said about Ben Carson. Regardless of whether you support him for president, please tell me for each if this is something that you find very attractive about him, mostly attractive, mostly unattractive, or very unattractive.”
If we combine “very attractive” and “mostly attractive” responses, these are Iowa Republicans’ positive feelings about Ben Carson:
1. “He is not a career politician”: 85%
2. “He has no experience in foreign policy”: 42%
3. “He was highly successful as a neurosurgeon”: 88%
4. “He has said the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is the worst thing since slavery”: 81%
5. ”He has an inspirational personal story”: 85%
6. “He has raised questions about whether a Muslim should ever be president of the United States”: 73%
7. “He has said he would be guided by his faith in God”: 89%
8. “He has said that Hitler might not have been as successful if the people had been armed”: 77%
9. “He approaches issues with common sense”: 96%
10. “He has conducted research on tissue from aborted fetuses”: 31%
In case it’s not obvious, pay particular attention to numbers 4, 6, and 8.
For many political observers, one of the questions surrounding Carson’s candidacy for months has been how he intends to overcome some of the ridiculous rhetoric about his off-the-wall beliefs. But this badly misses the point – Iowa Republicans like and agree with the ridiculous rhetoric about Carson’s off-the-wall beliefs.
Gunky
Well-Known Member
Well, cutting funds for education, feeding lies and naive theories to the public via right wing talk radio, fox news, etc has had a dumbing down effect. They have fed these people a steady diet of hyperbole, pseudo-science and crackpot economics for many years and now a lot of them believe it. Plus even so-called 'mainstream' or 'establishment' Republicans have now become emboldened to include all sorts of Christian chauvinist rhetoric, defending religious scofflaws like Kim Davis, etc.
It is starting to look like the Trump wave has crested (Trump is down by several percentage points in two successive polls in Iowa) and now we are back to flavor of the month as the repubs dally with various outlandish candidates before picking somebody more conventional.
It is starting to look like the Trump wave has crested (Trump is down by several percentage points in two successive polls in Iowa) and now we are back to flavor of the month as the repubs dally with various outlandish candidates before picking somebody more conventional.
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