The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Ted Cruz's people made a mistake photo shopping Rudio's picture with Obama. It really made him look like a liar. It was a low move.

At the CNN town hall meeting tonight Donald Trump had the chance to give details to any of his plans like medical and he couldn't do it. I wonder if his followers caught that?

I thought Jeb Bush looked nervous and uncomfortable.
 
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Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
Bernie Sanders: "I believe we should take marijuana out of the federal controlled substance act. Too many lives have been destroyed. Too many young people have incurred police records for possession of marijuana."

Video

It felt like a historical moment. A serious presidential contender publicly calling for decriminalization in a prime-time town hall debate. I think it is the official death of cannabis being a "third rail" issue.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I saw a clip of Hillary being booed last night during the MSMBC Town Hall Debate because she said Bernie wasn't really a democrat. He just decided to be one when he ran for president.

Bernie was talking with a woman because it was going to take so long (10 year plan) for his plan to come to flurision. A woman that's having problems now needs a solution right away. Then Hilary came back to the same woman and told her basically she would help take care of it.
 
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macbill

Oh No! Mr macbill!!
Staff member
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grokit

well-worn member
Free Beacon Poll: Sanders Overtakes Clinton in Colorado


AP / February 19, 2016 4:59 am

Bernie Sanders has overtaken Hillary Clinton in Colorado with less than two weeks before Super Tuesday, according to a new Washington Free Beacon poll.

The poll shows Clinton’s double-digit lead in the state has evaporated, as Sanders now leads 49 to 43 percent. Nine percent are undecided.

Likely Democratic caucus-goers also gave Sanders a big edge on questions of honesty and trustworthiness and which candidate cares more about people like them.

The results represent a monumental shift from November, when Clinton led Sanders by 28 points in a Quinnipiac University poll. Colorado’s 79 delegates are up for grabs on March 1.

The new poll shows the Vermont senator remains popular among young voters, beating Clinton by 46 points with voters under 30.

Clinton maintains a slight edge with past caucus goers, who favor her 41 to 38 percent, and a small four-point lead with women. However, women under 30 favored Sanders by a 40-point margin.

Hispanics, which both candidates have been courting, broke for Sanders, who took 41 percent to Clinton’s 38 percent. Clinton is leading with African Americans by 12 points.

When asked which candidate is most honest and trustworthy, only 25 percent said Clinton, who is under FBI investigation for using a private email server while she was secretary of state. Fifty-six percent chose Sanders.

Likely caucus-goers think Sanders cares more about people like them by a 20-point margin, with only 31 percent finding Clinton empathetic.

Sanders also won the question of which candidate voters consider to be “the progressive,” by a margin of 57 to 25 percent.

Issue-based questions tended to hurt Clinton while benefiting Sanders. Sixty-one percent of registered Democratic voters said they would be less likely to support Clinton for breaking her promise to President Obama by not disclosing foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation during her tenure as secretary of state.

A majority also said they would be less likely to support her for backing the Wall Street bailout.
When learning of his support for a $15 minimum wage, 59 percent of registered Democrats said they were more likely to support Sanders. Fifty percent were also more likely to support Sanders when hearing his plan to increase spending by $15 trillion.

The decision to legalize Marijuana was also popular among Democratic caucus-goers, with 63 percent saying legalization was good for Colorado, with the most outspoken supporters of the law going to Sanders.

Fifty-eight percent of voters who thought legalizing Marijuana was “very good” went for Sanders. Clinton leads 44 to 32 percent among voters who think the law has been bad for the state.

The Clinton campaign has begun to downplay expectations after a virtual tie in Iowa and a double-digit loss in New Hampshire, saying they always expected a long, drawn-out primary. Though she leads in South Carolina, a Free Beacon poll found Clinton tied with Sanders ahead of the caucus in Nevada on Saturday.

The latest Free Beacon poll comes as others are warning Clinton could be in danger of losing Colorado.

Sanders is bringing large crowds of young people to his rallies, hinting “2016 could spell ‘déjà vu’ for Hillary Clinton,” who was defeated by Barack Obama in 2008 largely because of young voters, 9News in Denver reported.

Sanders has made big ad buys in several Super Tuesday states, including $700,000 in Colorado, Politico reported.

Clinton and Sanders both attended the Democratic Party’s annual fundraiser in Denver on Saturday. The Denver Post reported Clinton’s “once-confident” campaign was “tempering expectations in a state where Bernie Sanders is poised to make a big showing in the March 1 caucus.”

The Free Beacon poll was conducted by Targetpoint Consulting and includes responses from 1,144 potential Democratic caucus goers. The margin of error is 2.98 percent


http://freebeacon.com/politics/free...ail&utm_term=0_b5e6e0e9ea-5b18b26f44-45962761
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Clinton maintains a slight edge with past caucus goers, who favor her 41 to 38 percent, and a small four-point lead with women. However, women under 30 favored Sanders by a 40-point margin.

The women vote surprises me. I thought she'd fare better with women. Maybe it surprises me because my wife has already told me that she is leaning toward Hillary (She'll be canceling out my Bernie vote which I'm sure is added value :)).
 

Magic9

Plant Enthusiast
CarolKing said:
Bernie was talking with a woman because it was going to take so long (10 year plan) for his plan to come to flurision. A woman that's having problems now needs a solution right away. Then Hilary came back to the same woman and told her basically she would help take care of it.

Not true. The 10 year bar is imposed now. He has to live in his home country for 10 years before he can apply for citizenship. That has nothing to do with Sanders' plan.

When asked "How long"? His response was, "That I can't tell you. I can't, you know -- we will use our executive office and power as much as we can. Hopefully we'll have the cooperation of the United States congress."


When Clinton mentioned that question, her response was, "And I understand that somebody asked Senator Sanders a question because her husband was in Mexico -- I don't who asked that question. And I want to tell you, I will end the three and 10-year bar provision so that you do not have to face that ever again."


What wasn't mentioned, the 3 and 10 year bars were enacted in 1996 under Bill Clinton. They will require congressional action to remove them. Hillary didn't specify how this would be done, other than getting legislation ready through committees.

Transcript of the town hall debate.

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Remember a few days ago when an unaffiliated academic economist ran an analysis of Sanders' proposals? We are still waiting for those that called it "fantasy" to release their analysis. They have been officially called out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-fight_us_56c74dade4b0ec6725e25f49


"It is not fair or honest to claim that Professor Friedman's methods are extreme. On the contrary, with respect to forecasting method, they are largely mainstream. Nor is it fair or honest to imply that you have given Professor Friedman's paper a rigorous review. You have not." - James K. Galbraith

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ResponsetoCEA.pdf
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Uh oh!! Bernie just made the claim that she (Hilary) is siding with Obama so she can get the black vote. I wish he wouldn't lower himself with those types of claims. I think this might hurt him.
 

howie105

Well-Known Member
Clinton is the mainstream candidate and the democratic party has a working relationship with the bigger civil rights groups. The republicans have similar working relationships with groups like the NRA. So no surprise when they court those groups or that the opposition points it out.
 

grokit

well-worn member
The democratic party also has great power and reach, and great influence over the msm. They are starting to realize (too late again imo) that they are in real trouble at this point. Hillary won't "go negative" herself, but the party establishment is starting to dig up everything they can find against bernie. Her wall-street funded superPACs have already started airing multi-million dollar ad campaigns against sanders, in seeming defiance of her pledge not to use this kind of money against fellow democrats. Now she's saying that bernie's not a real democrat, and the smell of fear is in the air. Voters trust bernie more than hillary, (edit) but hillary has more money; which she will use to try and erode that trust. Should be interesting!
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Donald Trump has been saying that he always disagreed with the Iraq War. They've been showing clips of him on Howard Stern right before the war officially started and he is agreeing with going to war in Iraq.

He disagreed with going to war but that was later on well after the war had started.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I will be voting democrat of course but John Kasich seems to be the nicest of the republicans. I thought it was touching when I saw him give a young man a hug who was going through some tough times.

I don't know much about his politics only some of his views on medical insurance and how he comes across when interviewed. I hadn't been paying much attention to him. He's a likable guy. I know he's against cannabis.

His parents died in a drunk driving accident when he was 35.

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Nice doesn't mean he would make a good president.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Now she's saying that bernie's not a real democrat, and the smell of fear is in the air.
Wait a minute. He is NOT a real Democrat. You know that, right? He only decided to call himself a Democrat to run. This isn't made up to soil him. He has said it himself often enough...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”
“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

Bernie Sanders, everybody—the same Bernie Sanders who is running to become the Democratic Party’s candidate for president of the United States.

The most surprising thing about the independent Vermont senator’s surprisingly successful campaign so far is not that he’s doing it as a self-described democratic socialist. It’s that he’s seeking the nomination of a party he caucuses with in the Senate but is not a part of, isn’t a registered member of and has never been a registered member of—a party he’s spent his 40-year career beating at the polls and battering in the press.

He started as a politician in the 1970s as a perennial protest candidate with the anti-Vietnam War Liberty Union Party, offering voters an alternative to the two major parties, which he considered ineffective and equally beholden to corporate lords.

To become mayor of Burlington in 1981, he ousted a veteran centrist Democrat. To build power, his progressive allies in subsequent elections wrested away city council seats, relegating local Democrats to diminished, third-party status. In a series of statewide races in the late ’80s and into the early ’90s, he outdid even that—getting Democrats to all but wave a white flag when he ran.
He has never before chosen to run in a Democratic primary, but here he is, challenging Hillary Clinton—and doing it as an independent, technically permissible but highly unusual. How he’s trying to do this is how he always has—a calculated alchemy of outsider edge and insider smarts, provocation plus pragmatism, all learned and honed over what’s become a unique career in modern American politics.

“He plays it both ways,” said former Vermont Governor Madeleine Kunin, a Democrat who once successfully fended off Sanders from the left in a reelection bid. “He wants to be different, and yet he wants to belong—for political purposes.”
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Read the rest. It may be an eye opener.

Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat, has never been a Democrat, and has nothing but disdain for the party. But he WILL USE IT to get elected if he can. But don't be fooled...
 
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grokit

well-worn member
"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”
I agree, and evidently so do many others.

You change the system from the presidency as an independent, because both parties have issues; mainly from being so ideologically opposed to each other. Look at trump, he's a rino if I've ever seen one :lol:
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I can not express the depth of my disgust...

North Charleston, South Carolina (CNN)
Donald Trump on Friday cited an apocryphal story about a U.S. general who purportedly dipped bullets in pigs' blood to execute Muslim prisoners a century ago in an effort to deter Islamic terrorism.

Speaking at a rally in North Charleston, South Carolina, Trump reiterated his claim that the U.S. should "go much further" than waterboarding suspected terrorists, telling the story of Gen. John Pershing in the Philippines, who Trump said captured 50 Muslim prisoners a century ago and dipped 50 bullets in blood.

"And he lined up the 50 people and they shot 49 of those 50 people, and he said to the 50th, you go back to your people and you tell them what happened -- and in 25 years there wasn't a problem," Trump said to the audience, which grew quiet as he told the story.
Coming in contact with swine is forbidden under Islamic law.
The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment about what Trump was suggesting in referencing the story, which Snopes, a website that investigates urban myths and legends, was unable to corroborate a year ago.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio called the story "bizarre" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show Saturday morning.

"I'm sure people are offended. We hope people are offended by that. That's not what the United States is about," Rubio said.

Later Saturday, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a leading Muslim civil rights group, said Trump's "rhetoric has crossed the line from spreading hatred to inciting violence."

"By directly stating that the only way to stop terrorism is to murder Muslims in graphic and religiously-offensive ways, he places the millions of innocent, law-abiding citizens in the American Muslim community at risk from rogue vigilantes," the group said in a statement. "He further implies that our nation should adopt a strategy of systematized violence in its engagement with the global Muslim community, a chilling message from a potential leader. We pray that no one who hears this message follows his gospel of hate."

Trump's story took place during a rally in which the GOP front-runner reflected on his campaign's unanticipated success.

"This all began June 16. Who knew this was going to happen? I figured maybe I'd be in the pack," a subdued Trump said as he began his final rally before South Carolina's Republican primary on Saturday, which could hand Trump his second consecutive electoral victory. "I thought it was going to be like a horse race. I'd be in the middle of the pack and at the very end I'd inch it out."

But Trump isn't in the middle of the pack, ready to inch out a victory in South Carolina. He's leading it, with CNN's average of South Carolina polling showing Trump with a double-digit lead over his closest competitor, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. The victory would be a momentous one for Trump and a blow to several of his opponents, including Cruz, who has positioned himself as the conservative capable of rallying the South to capture the nomination.

At Friday's rally, Trump ripped Cruz as someone "who lies more than any other human being I have ever seen" and slammed politicians broadly as "all taken care of by every industry."

And while Trump touted his 20-point victory just a week earlier in the New Hampshire primary, he also sought to undercut his supporters' -- and the media's expectations -- urging them not to look at the polling showing him poised to clutch a decisive victory, but instead to get out and vote like they were preparing for a nail-biter.

"Who knows what the numbers are. The polls are very nice. Who knows? We can't take a chance," Trump said in comments starkly in contrast with his predictions of a "tremendous victory" in Iowa the day he ultimately faltered with a second-place finish.

"It's crunch time, folks. It's crunch time," he reminded the audience.

But Trump ended the night on a reflective note, reminding his supporters that they are part of a movement of which he is simply the "messenger" -- and urging them to get out and vote.

"You're going to say to yourselves this was one of the greatest evenings and one of the great days of your lives," Trump said.

"We're going to make America great again. Thank you, everybody. I love you."
 

TeeJay1952

Well-Known Member
We are the "Good Guys" and we are going to torture? Waterboard and worse? How can you tell the difference between us and the bad guys? WE DON'T TORTURE! A debate topic? Wake up America, We need you now.

Once the religious, the hunted and weary
Chasing the promise of freedom and hope
Came to this country to build a new vision
Far from the reaches of kingdom and pope
Like good Christians, some would burn the witches
Later some got slaves to gather riches
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
But she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
And once the ties with the crown had been broken
Westward in saddle and wagon it went
And 'til the railroad linked ocean to ocean
Many the lives which had come to an end
While we bullied, stole and bought our homeland
We began the slaughter of the red man
But still from near and far to seek America
They came by thousands to court the wild
But she just patiently smiled and bore a child
To be their spirit and guiding light
The blue and gray they stomped it
They kicked it just like a dog
And when the war was over
They stuffed it just like a hog
And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey
The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem friendly and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people got fat and grew lazy
Now their vote is like a meaningless joke
You know they talk about law, about order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'
Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner, we can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into the noose
And it just sits there watching
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
America where are you now?
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
America


 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
CNN is calling Nevada caucus for Hillary. Whew. A bigger win would be better, but we need to wait for SC for that. Bernie should be happy with how well he did, but...
Ya know, as appalling as Trump rhetoric is, it's more appalling how many people agree with him. Fear makes people do some crazy ass shit.
If Trump didn't have the followers he would just be another loud bigot like Rush Limbaugh. The followers is what makes him dangerous... (Limbaugh too but he won't be running for anything).

Edit: Ya know, it is an interesting question how Limbaugh might do running for something. Who would have thought Trump could do this...
 
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