The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

[CarolKing]

IMO Since many high leveled republicans think Trump is not presidential material, I'm going to believe that. I realize some will be voting 3rd party. Not sure if that will be enough though. We have to make sure this mad man does get the job.

I just read a sample of a new book out: Trump Revealed written by Marc Fisher and Michael Kranish. An interesting read, not sure if I want to buy the book. Trump's father and grandfather, folks were prejudiced against them because they were German early on after WW1 and WW2.

Trump's mom immigrated from Scotland as a young adult woman. It was easier at the time to be able to immigrate if you were white vs if you were a person of color. Some things never change.

 

[Joel W.]

We are talking about State dept. emails here and they are supposed to be preserved by law!

She chose to not turn over these specific files and her lawyers used this program to try and protect her.

It's cool. I get it. I just want the truth now, not later...

Trump still sucks way worse.

 

[grokit]

Imo hillary has no right to privacy when communicating on behalf of the state. She is claiming she did not destroy top secret information, which needs to remain secret. I suppose we have to take her word for it.

 

[cybrguy]

Trump's father and grandfather, folks were prejudiced against them because they were German.

Well, shit rolls downhill, right?
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So, here we have something (else) about the press that really pisses me off...

Trump Adopts Rove’s Strategy. Media Buys It
by Nancy LeTourneau
August 26, 2016 4:20 PM

A little over five years ago, Steve Benen wrote the quintessential analysis of Karl Rove’s favorite strategy.

Karl Rove has a special, some might call it “pathological,” quality as a political pundit. More than anyone I’ve ever seen or heard of, Rove identifies some of his own ugliest, most malicious, most pernicious qualities, and then projects them onto those he hates most.​

Perhaps Donald Trump was paying attention. Or maybe these kinds of things come naturally to people like he and Rove. I say that because, as Clinton was preparing to give her searing speech outlining how white nationalists the alt-right is taking over the Republican Party via Trump, the candidate responded by calling her a bigot.

“Hillary Clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future,” Trump said at a campaign rally here, speaking to an overwhelmingly white audience of supporters in the deep-red state. “She doesn’t care what her policies have done to your communities. She has no remorse. She’s going to do nothing for Hispanics and African-Americans.”​

It is interesting to watch Trump squirm and dive when Anderson Cooper tried to tie him down on what that means. But there is a reason why people like Rove and Trump employ this tactic: the media buys it. For example, here are some of the headlines emanating from yesterday:

ABC: Clinton, Trump Tangle Over Racism
Washington Post: Clinton, Trump exchange racially charged accusations
CNN: Clinton says Trump leading ‘hate movement’; he calls her a ‘bigot’
Politico: Trump and Clinton throw more blows in bigotry fight

In other words, projection isn’t just a psychological defense mechanism anymore. It is a political strategy used to ensure that the media reports moments like this as a “he said/she said” that is the basis of bothsiderism. It works. And the media can simply fall back on saying that they are simply reporting the facts of what happened.

 

[His_Highness]

A forensic technician can pull a ton off of a 'broken' hard drive. I paid for the privilege and I'm in the business. You might be surprised that a broken hard drive can have it's platters removed and read. Files you deleted can be read if you don't wipe it. When I got the contents of my 'broken' hard drive back I had a slew of old deleted files given back to me.

I don't quick format drives because the files are not deleted but the drive is told the space is unused and can be written too. I do a full format because it overwrites 0's to the drive.

I'm not a public figure but I still do the above to protect myself. If I were a public figure I would definitely wipe the crap out of any storage device before giving it up.

Does that excuse HRC from cleaning up like that.....to be honest....I'm not sure. One thing I do know....if HRC isn't brought up on charges it won't be from a lack of interest on the part of people powerful enough to make it happen and ...... That's why I'm not sure if there is anything there.

 

[t-dub]

The gift that keeps on giving continues:

1. Julian Assange has been on the news lately saying he has some more leaked emails to reveal and that it will be done before the election. He hinted, somewhat lamely, that the new revelations pursue similar ends to the ones already released, but at different angles, which forced the resignation of 5 people already. Should be interesting BUT with his lukewarm introduction I don't think it will be a bombshell.
2. A federal judge ordered today that DoS has until the middle of next month to release the 14,900 forensically recovered emails recovered by the FBI. In this instance since HRC was the SoS, if there is even one work related email in the bunch then she has violated the federal records keeping act. I personally have no problem with her deleting personal emails, HOWEVER, any work related emails she is required by law to keep and turn over to the feds for archiving and future FOIA requests etc. As a public servant she does NOT have the right to have had her attorneys scrub any work related emails. THAT is a crime, period. It appears there are work related emails in this group.

I do a full format because it overwrites 0's to the drive.

Forensic recovery can actually pull information only written over once and beyond to a certain limit. They can pull ghost patterns from behind that and a lot more. Thats why shredder programs offer several wipe options. I usually use 3 but the DoD standard is 7 overwrites. It looks like BleachBit isn't a very good program or whoever used it did so improperly (more likely).

Wiping personal emails = cool.

Wiping public records = not cool/against the law.

 

[ReggieB]

@cybrguy it's been easy to spot trumps strategy, it's basic 'I know you are but what am I?' school kid counter attacks.

@His_Highness a single pass for zero'ing isn't really sufficient, that data is still recoverable with the right tools, the people likely to have the right tools are nation states, hackers, thieves, data recovery companies and I wonder if the lawyers were following govt guidelines for data sanitation?

I still think that personal privacy is exactly that, a personal choice and yup, you do have to just trust people, every day. Lastly, if the US government can't protect itself from attacks, what is to be done? Should you take things into your own hands and protect yourself? Or just hope that they won't be hacked again?

 

[Silat]

I apologize for the tone.

I wrecked the car last night, been super stressed out. We have company at our house and I have not been able to let down. I will edit that out. It was not the right kind of attitude, and its exactly the attitude I dislike the most in conversation.

Hope no one was injured in the accident and I hope you get it sorted out quickly and easily.

 

[ClearBlueLou]

This dude just used Obama and his approval ratings as a human shield to walk back. The deporter in chief remarks worked out. It's like a chess move that you can't visualize until after you've seen it used against.

Breitbart is only funhouse mirror of Huffington Post, let's not talk them up.

I see your point, but I disagree: Breitbart in all its incarnations has been utterly false and utterly poisonous: it has consistently been the absolute worst of public discourse, egged on enthusiastically by the staff and the writers.

There is nothing too insane for them to try and spin, nothing so outrageous they believe they can't sell it - this is a game to them, but a game as serious as murder to them: if they can whip up a "spontaneous" armed uprising on the right, they'll deny, deny, deny, while high-fiving themselves into urgent-care....

All this comes, oddly, out of Socrates via Plato: the number of Socrates' students who went on the overthrow the governments of city-states in ancient Greece is pretty astounding: Corinth and Thebes, - can't think of the others now. It's the guff Plato was spewing in 'The Republic': again, poisonous garbage if you actually LOOK AT IT. Gosh it's popular on the extreme right, though: the basic notion is that there are natural rulers, and they should take control and rule; if they CAN take control, their rule is justified, and if they can't they should keep trying.... Seriously, I remember arguing this w/ Larry McDonald (House R-GA6, doctor of some kind, Newt Gingrich wanted to be him when he got into politics) at John Birch Society meetings back in the 60s. It was among other things, his odd emphases on things "drawn from" Plato's Republic (no, not letting P. off the hook) that made me look more closely at Plato generally and the Republic in particular (when one of these clowns says "we're not a democracy, we're a republic" what he (seems like it's always a he) than the silly classwork in high school: the more time I spent with it, the more clearly I saw the arrogance, privilege and elitism in it; having been raised in the post-planter society of the time, I know something about those.

This brilliant book by IF Stone really pulled a lot together for me:
The Trial of Socrates
Stone - a legendary old-school investigative journalist - decided to teach himself Greek - and he decided to do it by translating all the contemporaneous records and accounts he could find bearing on the trail and death of Socrates (we already had translations of a work by roughly the same name from Plato - who was, it must be remembered, Sew Crates' biggest fan), so he figured this would be straightforward. It wasn't. Read the book, it's great.

Anyhow, Breitbart is doing who those Socratics did: winning with what it has, which is a oversupply of bile, venom, disregard for others and apparently of inner filth. Values, my ass: when I was a kid in my all-white school we were GRADED on how we treated other people: 'playing well with others' wasn't a joke; comes integration a couple years later, and we seemed to stop caring about how we treat others if there's a chance we get treat the livestock badly....

 

[CarolKing]

This I copied a paragraph, here's the whole article if you want to read it. It said this was from 1 day ago.

Steven Bannon, Donald Trump's new campaign chief and alt-right hero, wants to destroy the left at all costs - The Atlantic
The Atlantic › politics › archive › 2016/08

But the Trumpist movement that Bannon fueled and later joined has been so thoughtless, in its zeal to wage war on its enemy, that it alienated libertarians; divided the Tea Party; stripped the principles that motivate limited government conservatives from the core of the Republican Party; and put America in the unenviable position of possibly handing off its foreign policy and nuclear arsenal to a geopolitically ignorant, erratic, thin-skinned man who picks needless fights and is manifestly unqualified to command a campaign staff, never mind a military

Edit
I would like to see Gary Johnson get high enough in the polls to be part of the debate. Even if he doesn't get to 15% I would like to see him included. He's at 11% now. Polls are not accurate, precise info anyway. Isn't error rate like 3%?

 

[ClearBlueLou]

The gift that keeps on giving continues:

1. Julian Assange has been on the news lately saying he has some more leaked emails to reveal and that it will be done before the election. He hinted, somewhat lamely, that the new revelations pursue similar ends to the ones already released, but at different angles, which forced the resignation of 5 people already. Should be interesting BUT with his lukewarm introduction I don't think it will be a bombshell.
2. A federal judge ordered today that DoS has until the middle of next month to release the 14,900 forensically recovered emails recovered by the FBI. In this instance since HRC was the SoS, if there is even one work related email in the bunch then she has violated the federal records keeping act. I personally have no problem with her deleting personal emails, HOWEVER, any work related emails she is required by law to keep and turn over to the feds for archiving and future FOIA requests etc. As a public servant she does NOT have the right to have had her attorneys scrub any work related emails. THAT is a crime, period. It appears there are work related emails in this group.

Forensic recovery can actually pull information only written over once and beyond to a certain limit. They can pull ghost patterns from behind that and a lot more. Thats why shredder programs offer several wipe options. I usually use 3 but the DoD standard is 7 overwrites. It looks like BleachBit isn't a very good program or whoever used it did so improperly (more likely).

Wiping personal emails = cool.

Wiping public records = not cool/against the law.

 

[TeeJay1952]

 

[His_Highness]

1. A federal judge ordered today that DoS has until the middle of next month to release the 14,900 forensically recovered emails recovered by the FBI. In this instance since HRC was the SoS, if there is even one work related email in the bunch then she has violated the federal records keeping act. I personally have no problem with her deleting personal emails, HOWEVER, any work related emails she is required by law to keep and turn over to the feds for archiving and future FOIA requests etc. As a public servant she does NOT have the right to have had her attorneys scrub any work related emails. THAT is a crime, period. It appears there are work related emails in this group.

Forensic recovery can actually pull information only written over once and beyond to a certain limit. They can pull ghost patterns from behind that and a lot more. Thats why shredder programs offer several wipe options. I usually use 3 but the DoD standard is 7 overwrites. It looks like Bleach-bit isn't a very good program or whoever used it did so improperly (more likely).

If the emails were recovered by the FBI why isn't the judge getting them from the FBI?

BleachBit is free but the shredding capabilities are an up sell. If I were looking for a shredder for something this important I wouldn't use a freeware based product. I guess that's what happens when lawyers are doing IT work. Can someone prove HRC directed the lawyers to use it?

@ReggieB / @t-dub - I had a hardware related drive failure back in 2014 and worked with a well respected recovery business. It was embarrassing since one of my favorite sayings is 'There are two types of people..those who back up regularly and those who wish they did'. I hadn't backed up in over a month. The service is not cheap and not guaranteed as far as how much they could recover. They did a great job for me but when I recommended someone else to them who had mistakenly formatted their drive they declined the job when told it was due to a full format and not a quick format. They did say they could recover some but the percentage recovery would be so low it wouldn't be worth the cost.

 

[ReggieB]

1. A federal judge ordered today that DoS has until the middle of next month to release the 14,900 forensically recovered emails recovered by the FBI. In this instance since HRC was the SoS, if there is even one work related email in the bunch then she has violated the federal records keeping act. I personally have no problem with her deleting personal emails, HOWEVER, any work related emails she is required by law to keep and turn over to the feds for archiving and future FOIA requests etc. As a public servant she does NOT have the right to have had her attorneys scrub any work related emails. THAT is a crime, period. It appears there are work related emails in this group.

Forensic recovery can actually pull information only written over once and beyond to a certain limit. They can pull ghost patterns from behind that and a lot more. Thats why shredder programs offer several wipe options. I usually use 3 but the DoD standard is 7 overwrites. It looks like Bleach-bit isn't a very good program or whoever used it did so improperly (more likely).

If the emails were recovered by the FBI why isn't the judge getting them from the FBI?

BleachBit is free but the shredding capabilities are an up sell. If I were looking for a shredder for something this important I wouldn't use a freeware based product. I guess that's what happens when lawyers are doing IT work. Can someone prove HRC directed the lawyers to use it?

@ReggieB / @t-dub - I had a hardware related drive failure back in 2014 and worked with a well respected recovery business. It was embarrassing since one of my favorite sayings is 'There are two types of people..those who back up regularly and those who wish they did'. I hadn't backed up in over a month. The service is not cheap and not guaranteed as far as how much they could recover. They did a great job for me but when I recommended someone else to them who had mistakenly formatted their drive they declined the job when told it was due to a full format and not a quick format. They did say they could recover some but the percentage recovery would be so low it wouldn't be worth the cost.

Depends on how much you value your data as to whether it's worth the cost, I don't mind that they turned the job down but the fact that some data is recoverable, along with 14900 recovered clinton emails proves the point, if the DOD recommend deeper than 1 pass, there's going to be a good reason for that.

 

[Joel W.]

You have to pay for the shredder part of bleachbit to work. Only the disk cleanup part is free, like almost any software you can download the free version and upgrade for the full version.

Edit: Misread @His_Highness post... my bad..

 

[cybrguy]

Here we go. It looks like republicans are gonna look for the exits and try and cover their own butts. Good plan, for them...

Republican leaders hang Donald Trump out to dry
08/26/16 11:00 AM
By Steve Benen

There’s been plenty of speculation in recent weeks about the possibility of Republican Party officials cutting their losses and giving up on Donald Trump’s presidential candidacy. Whether or not the chatter leads to action remains to be seen, but the possibility remains quite real.

But this discussion is focused primarily on financial resources: will the RNC, for example, continue to invest in Trump’s campaign, even if the party expects him to lose, or will money be redirected to down-ballot races? There is, however, another angle to this, related to rhetorical and institutional support – which Republicans have arguably already pulled.

Yesterday, for example, Hillary Clinton delivered a pretty brutal indictment of Trump and his role as the standard bearer for racists, xenophobes, and the extremist, paranoid fringe. It was the kind of speech that, ordinarily, Republicans would respond to by defending their party’s presidential nominee. Except in this case, as NBC News’ Chuck Todd noted this morning, GOP leaders said nothing.

“Hillary Clinton called the Republican nominee [Donald Trump] a racist, and all these Republicans … not a word. No Republicans outside the campaign said, ‘How dare you, Hillary Clinton, call the Republican nominee a racist.’ The sound of silence among mainstream Republican elected officials yesterday is stunning.”
​

It is, indeed. Part of the value in being in a political party is benefiting from institutional support when under fire. But instead of having Trump’s back, Republicans reminded the political world again yesterday that they’re content to hang the presidential hopeful out to dry.

RNC spokesperson Sean Spicer appeared on MSNBC earlier, and host Stephanie Ruhle asked the Republican if there was anything Hillary said that was untrue. Spicer didn’t answer directly.

Asked about Republican leaders’ silence, Spicer said, “I think Congress is in recess.”

And while it’s certainly true that lawmakers won’t return to Capitol Hill until Sept. 6, members nevertheless comment on public events – through press statements, on social media, in interviews etc. – literally every day. If prominent Republican officials wanted to rebuke Clinton and defend Trump yesterday, they could have quite easily.

They chose not to.

 

[CarolKing]

Trump just doesn't get it. I really believe with getting Steve Bannon as his campaign manager he doesn't understand the American main stream public. He's showing us what his presidential team will look like. That's why a third party candidate is so risky.

Trump reacts like he's so proud of himself when he presumes to get it right.


Internet destroys Trump for using shooting death of NBA star's ...
Raw Story › 2016/08 › internet-destroys-...
1 hour ago - Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 27, 2016 ... Trump: I want to talk about Wade's cousin! ... and instead of offering sympathy or comfort, he basically says "I told you so.

Following the announcement that Nykea Aldridge was shot and killed while pushing a stroller in Chicago, Trump tweeted: “Dwayne Wade’s cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!”

Dwayne Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 27, 2016



Condemnation for the horrifically cynical pitch was fast and furious on Twitter:

 

[cybrguy]

Eric Trump: Nonexistent ‘holiday tree’ prompted father’s campaign
08/26/16 03:51 PM
By Steve Benen

There’s more than one reason to be concerned about Donald Trump’s presidential qualifications, but one of the most troubling aspects of his campaign is what he and his team choose to believe (and not believe).

BuzzFeed highlighted an amazing exchange today in which Eric Trump, the Republican candidate’s son and a leading surrogate for the GOP ticket, explained some of the motivations that led his father to run for president.

“He opens up the paper each morning and sees our nation’s leaders giving a hundred billion dollars to Iran, or he opens the paper and some new school district has just eliminated the ability for its students to say the Pledge of Allegiance, or some fire department in some town is ordered by the mayor to no longer fly the American flag on the back of a fire truck,” Trump told James Robison in an interview posted this week.

“Or he sees the tree on the White House lawn has been renamed ‘Holiday tree’ instead of ‘Christmas tree,’” continued Trump. “I could go on and on for hours. Those are the very things that made my father run, and those are the very things he cares about.”​

It’s entirely possible Eric Trump genuinely believes everything he said, but unfortunately, reality can get in the way of sincere talking points. For example, there are no school districts in the United States that prevent kids from saying the Pledge of Allegiance. He just made that up.

Similarly, the National Christmas Tree wasn’t renamed. As BuzzFeed’s report explained, there was some weird, right-wing chain email a few years ago that said the word “Christmas” was replaced with “Holiday” in the official name of the tree, but in reality, that never actually happened. Some conservatives made this up, the Trumps chose to believe it.

In other words, according to Eric Trump, Donald Trump is running for president at least in part because “he cares about” developments that never occurred. I don’t doubt that Eric Trump “could go on and on for hours,” but that’s because complaining about imaginary problems is incredibly easy.

But there’s more to this than just laughing at a silly mistake. The larger issue to keep in mind is that we’ve seen quite a bit of evidence that suggests Team Trump exists in some strange alternate universe.

In Trump Land, Ted Cruz’s father was part of the JFK assassination. And President Obama is a terrorist sympathizer who wasn’t born in the United States. And Hillary Clinton is secretly dealing with unidentified health crises. And Muslim Americans held public celebrations on 9/11. And the National Enquirer, Breitbart News, and Alex Jones are perfectly credible sources for accurate news. And Donald Trump opposed the war in Iraq before the 2003 invasion. And Vince Foster’s suicide is highly suspicious. And vaccines are dangerous. And the Christmas tree on the White House lawn has been renamed.

To borrow a phrase, I could go on and on for hours.

There’s arguably no more important skill for a president and his or her team than an ability to absorb an enormous amount of information, and quickly understand what’s important, what can be discarded, and what should be used as the basis for action. Trump and his team have demonstrated, over and over again, that they’re just not good at this.

 

[Silat]

Trump just doesn't get it. I really believe with getting Steve Bannon as his campaign manager he doesn't understand the American main stream public. He's showing us what his presidential team will look like. That's why a third party candidate is so risky.

He is busy monetizing the faithful for his next act.
White supremacists are going to be his bread and butter after he is destroyed in the election.
And I agree about 3rd party candidates. All a 3rd party does is allow for a Drumpf type to actually win an election with a very small portion of the vote.
Just look at that bigot governor in Maine. LeBigot only won because 2 Dem candidates split the vote and the Bircher Grand Wizard won with 37% of the vote.

Yeah Stein and Johnson.... I AM BEING SARCASTIC.....

 

[Gunky]

Or possibly Trump knows perfectly well he can't get elected this way but the point was never to get elected but rather to avoid bankruptcy from the Trump University court case by launching a new business. The republican party is just like his other biz partners - in the end they all get stiffed.

 

[cybrguy]

I can not over express the importance of this paragraph from the quoted article above, so I will repost it with emphasis here:

"There’s arguably no more important skill for a president and his or her team than an ability to absorb an enormous amount of information, and quickly understand what’s important, what can be discarded, and what should be used as the basis for action. Trump and his team have demonstrated, over and over again, that they’re just not good at this".

 

[ReggieB]

trump is one big conspiracy waiting to be proved... I omitted theory on purpose.

 

[cybrguy]

Borowitz Report
August 26, 2016
Pence Recaptured After Fleeing Trump Campaign Bus
By Andy Borowitz

VIRGINIA (The Borowitz Report)—Calling it a “scary moment” and a “close call,” Donald Trump’s campaign officials confirmed that they had recaptured Mike Pence after the Indiana governor attempted to flee the campaign bus in the early hours of Friday morning.

According to the campaign, Pence had asked to stop at a McDonald’s in rural Virginia so that he could use the bathroom, but aides grew concerned when the governor failed to reappear after twenty minutes.

After determining that Pence had given them the slip, Trump staffers fanned out across the Virginia backcountry, where the governor was believed to have fled.

News that Pence had vanished touched off a panic in Indiana, where residents feared that he might return to resume his political career.

After forty-five minutes of searching, however, campaign officials located a bedraggled and dazed Pence walking along Virginia State Route 287, where the Republican Vice-Presidential nominee was attempting unsuccessfully to hitch a ride.

A confrontation that Trump aides characterized as “tense” ensued, after which a sobbing Pence returned to the bus.

In the aftermath of Pence’s disappearance, Hope Hicks, Trump’s press secretary, attempted to downplay the severity of the incident. “This is the kind of thing that happens in the course of a long and demanding campaign,” she said. “Having said that, we’re grateful to have Mike Pence back with us, and we won’t let him get away again.”


Reportedly, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie offered to fill in for Pence in the event that he became unable to fulfill his duties. That offer was declined.

 

[Silat]

VIRGINIA (The Borowitz Report)—Calling it a “scary moment” and a “close call,” Donald Drumpf’s campaign officials confirmed that they had recaptured Mike Pence after the Indiana governor attempted to flee the campaign bus in the early hours of Friday morning.

The Onion nor the Borowitz Report ain't got a thing on the reality of the completely insane Bircher Bigot reich wing.

 

[cybrguy]

True enough, but sometimes a little comic relief helps the soul.

And brings down the temp a little bit...