The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

gangababa

Well-Known Member
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Explanation and details found here on CNN

"Trump has handed over tax returns in the midst of audits before -- to state gambling officials in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, as part of the process of seeking casino licenses in those states."
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"At least some of the federal and state tax returns he gave Pennsylvania were the subject of ongoing audits at the time. Trump in March released a letter from his attorneys saying that every tax return he's filed since 2002 was audited, and the returns for 2009 and every year since are still the subject of ongoing audits."
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"The pro-Clinton group American Bridge on Wednesday launched a new website, TrumpReleaseYourReturns.com, calling on Trump to do just that.
"Voters deserve to know whether or not Trump pays his fair share in taxes, for example, or if he's too cheap to give to charitable causes," said American Bridge President Jessica Mackler."
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
I'm not sure the cheap to give to charities is a good line. Biden gave a whopping $300 when he released his, which was less than .001% of his income.

The rest, yes.
 
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Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
Triumph and the crew test Drumpf baggers. The results will not surprise you.

And from the past, Triumpfs best moment:
 

Serious

Liable to snap at any moment.
I don't remember an election where people didn't complain about the lack of choice they were given.

That's what they said in 2000. Can you imagine how things would be different if Al Gore had become president? I think we can be pretty certain that we wouldn't have launched a war against Iraq which would mean the entire Middle East wouldn't be in (quite so much of a) crisis as now, and ISIS wouldn't even exist. Then there's the climate, would President Gore not have handled things a bit differently?

Hillary Clinton is highly intelligent and uniquely experienced. And of course everyone knows who Donald Trump is.

I think we have a great selection.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Donald Trump blasts NY Times after story about 'sputtering' campaign - Aug. 13, 2016 - CNN Money
CNN.com › money › 2016/08/13 › media
20 hours ago - The New York Times is painting a dire picture of the Trump campaign in ... The problem, he says, is ... The Times. "The failing @nytimes has become a newspaper of fiction," he tweeted ...

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Trump has no respect for the United States Constitution. It's a scarey thing to see him want to clamp down on the press. There is freedom of the press. They are reporting what he does, stupid stuff and all. Poor Trump is having a meltdown because things aren't going his way.:rant:
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Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
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neverforget711

Well-Known Member
Kinda like when he says....."Many people say....", or "I heard that...". It absolves him for taking ANY responsibility whatsoever along with not putting up anything to back up his statements.

"I heard that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim. Many people say that. I don't know.......it's just what I've heard." He can play that game with any crazy shit that comes into his head. What's totally amazing is that his followers think, "Well, if many people say that, it must be true." :doh:

I've lived for 72 years and I have NEVER EVER seen this kind of mass stupidity.......ever.


But you don't understand. It's his first day, everyday.
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
In America we get to choose who to vote for. The problem not enough people go out and actually vote. A lot can be done in your own communities and states. Changes can be done with a referendum process if you have that in your state.

Trump is a big mouthed lunatic, a laughing stock but a lot can happen between now and the election. Even though it's quite obvious he would be a dangerous choice for people. Questioning why we don't use nuclear weapons? I don't need to say anything else.

We do have the third party ticket if it comes down to it. It's a gamble at this point what would be best. There is no way I want to make it possible for Trump to become president.

It's an easy choice at this point for me but I worry about what will happen with all the unknowns. There's a lot of time left but it looks like Trump is starting to go down in flames.

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Maybe I'm asking for trouble but am confused about the three strikes your out law @turdhole regarding Mrs. Clinton? it looks to me she's our only choice. It's slim pickings this season. Start working on the next election.

If you want to make a difference you really need to start working in your communities early. So often folks complain but don't do anything about it.
 
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Silat

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
Imagine the following was about Hillary and her campaign guru..
EXCERPT:
If you needed further evidence that the Drumpf campaign is coming unglued, look no further than tonight's revelations about Paul Manafort and his deep, expensive, binding ties to Russian puppets.

The New York Times helpfully reports that Manafort received as much as $12.7 million in cash payments from former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his Russian cohorts.

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.

They go on to note that Manafort never registered as an agent of a foreign government under FARA, which is generally required when Americans serve as consultants to foreign governments.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/donald-trumps-campaign-manager-reportedly

Need anymore proof there is no liberal media to speak of?
 

Serious

Liable to snap at any moment.
Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief
Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Paul Manafort, Vladimir Putin, and the Southern Strategy
by Martin Longman
August 15, 2016 11:45 AM

I’m happy to be back from vacation, rested, and ready to write. I actually did a little writing over the weekend, but I see that Nancy and David have covered some of the same ground. Nonetheless, I am going to post that piece below with only some slight modifications to reflect the news broken last night by Andrew E. Kramer, Mike McIntire and Barry Meier of the New York Times.

Paul Manafort grew up in New Britain, Connecticut where his father served as mayor. Later on, he moved to Washington D.C. where he got undergraduate and law degrees from Georgetown in the early 1970s. He’s not a child of the South. Jim Crow was never a way of life for him, and that makes him different from his old partners Lee Atwater and Charlie Black. I mean, I fundamentally disagree with the politics of the Southern Strategy but I can at least understand why some (white) people raised in the South would want the South to preserve its heritage and expand its political influence. The southern takeover of the Republican Party was a triumph for those folks, and if it involved some cynical and even hateful means, at least I can understand the ends. But what excuse does a Connecticut Yankee have for this behavior:

Since the 1980s, Manafort’s business partners have included Charles Black, who helped launch the Senate career of outspoken segregationist Jessie Helms, and Lee Atwater, who was behind the infamously racist Willie Horton ads run by the George H. W. Bush campaign.

And it was Manafort who arranged for Ronald Reagan to kick off his post-convention presidential campaign at the Neshoba County Fair just outside of Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three young civil rights workers were brutally murdered in 1964. In his relatively short speech, Reagan declared, “I believe in state’s rights…And I believe that we’ve distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the constitution to that federal establishment. And if I do get the job I’m looking for, I’m going to devote myself to trying to reorder those priorities and to restore to the states and local communities those functions which properly belong there.”

To the all-white audience at the Neshoba County Fair, still simmering about a host of federal civil rights interventions, the location of the speech and the language of “states’ rights” sent an unmistakable message about restoring an imbalance of power in their favor.​

Why would Manafort even want to get in bed with the rageoholics at the Neshoba County Fair in Philadelphia, Mississippi? Why would he want to empower them?

It’s this mercenary value system that explains why Manafort has made a career out of advising monstrous dictators and conscienceless oligarchs. Manipulating people’s anger and insecurities into fear and rage has been his trademark for his entire career, which is why he could not care less about Trump’s negative influence on the body politic or his incitements to violence.

He doesn’t care about anything but winning, and if his ties to Putin can help Trump, he doesn’t care about the implications of that either.

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.

In addition, criminal prosecutors are investigating a group of offshore shell companies that helped members of Mr. Yanukovych’s inner circle finance their lavish lifestyles, including a palatial presidential residence with a private zoo, golf course and tennis court. Among the hundreds of murky transactions these companies engaged in was an $18 million deal to sell Ukrainian cable television assets to a partnership put together by Mr. Manafort and a Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of President Vladimir V. Putin.​

I don’t know how anyone can not be suspicious that Manafort might have something to do with the way pilfered Democratic Party emails and text messages are being selectively released to do damage to Hillary Clinton for the benefit of Manafort’s newest client. The consensus among analysts and the intelligence agencies that Putin’s Russia is behind the hacking is very high, and obviously Trump believes it himself since he asked Russia to do more of it.

In any case, Manafort has been partnered up with folks like Charlie Black, Lee Atwater, and Roger Stone (the most notorious political ratf*ker of all time) for more than thirty years.
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These guys will have their own wing in the Southern Strategy Hall of Fame in Hell.

The number of people who know this history and can connect the dots is small, but that doesn’t mean that the message and the values of these racial villains has gone unnoticed.

Earlier this week, the Republican National Committee hired three new staffers to assist with African American outreach. They will have their work cut out for them. Donald Trump’s average level of black support from four recent national polls is 2 percent, and a July NBC/Wall Street Journal battleground poll showed Trump getting exactly 0 percent support among African American voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania. And the candidate is not helping his own cause. He has demonstrated a steady penchant for resurrecting racially divisive campaign tactics of the past, tactics that simultaneously ignored black voters and used race as a wedge to attract disgruntled white voters in the South.​

I’d like to point out that many of us were calling out the “White Hands” and Willie Horton and Southern Strategy stuff as morally reprehensible back when it was mainstream and standard Republican operating procedure. Trump isn’t really an outlier so much as a candidate for a time that is now in the rearview mirror. What’s different this time is that it’s not being done to empower the South or even to assist business in rolling back the regulatory state. It’s being done for no reason at all except to help Donald Trump.

And, as you can see by the alarmed response of the Republican Establishment, they have no interest in using a torn and frayed playbook to further the ambition of Donald Trump. Things would be different if it would work and if the prize were something worth having. I know this, because everyone was fine with it when another Connecticut Yankee, George H.W. Bush, used it to win power for himself and his allies. But that’s the thing.

Poppy Bush went along with empowering the South and allowing a conservative takeover of his party, but he also had real allies who benefited in the bargain.

If Trump has any allies at all, they’re his kids. And, if I were them, I wouldn’t even count on that.
 

Serious

Liable to snap at any moment.
Is anyone as entertained as I am that it is Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager, that appears to be putting his shoulder into Manafort's Russian relationships more than anyone else.

No bad blood there, I am sure... :lol:

I noticed that and, yeah, I'll bet he's been waiting for the opportunity, it looks like he's not allowed to say even the slightest negative thing about Trump.
 

Serious

Liable to snap at any moment.
Right, but I'm a little surprised the NDA doesn't apply to the rest of his campaign as well. Then again, it isn't a surprise if Trump feels/felt he only needs to protect himself.

I got the impression that Trump made similar deals with his ex-rivals, specifically Ben Carson and the newly housebroken Chris Christie. Probably in return for cabinet positions, which of course will never be forthcoming.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I find the search for "the real" Trump voter to be quite interesting. For some of us, other than purely partisan pressure, it is just so hard to believe that he actually appeals to ANYONE with a brain, but obviously he does so it is still a mystery to me. When asking avowed Trump voters my experience is that they can't really explain it other than those that fear another Obama term or hate the Clintons with the heat of 1000 suns. I honestly don't know if they are ashamed to admit the reason, or they don't understand it themselves...
http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/08/15/the-real-trump-voters/
The Real Trump Voters
by Martin Longman
August 15, 2016 2:00 PM

Simon Maloy does a good job of distilling the new Gallup data on Trump voters. They aren’t exactly who most people think they are. They’re not as economically distressed or negatively impacted by the loss of manufacturing jobs as is widely assumed, and they’re often more suburban than rural. Counterintuitively, “Gallup found that the only candidate who is viewed consistently positively in areas with higher concentrations of manufacturing jobs is… Hillary Clinton.”

And:

“People living in commuting zones with higher white middle-aged mortality rates are much more likely to view Trump favorably,” Gallup found. The analysis also noted people who live areas that have less “intergenerational mobility” also tend to have higher levels of support for Trump. Basically, if you’re in an area where white people are experiencing consistently poor health outcomes and younger generations are having less success at moving up the economic ladder, then you’re more likely to want to vote for Donald Trump.​

Of course, we all know that race plays a major part in Trump’s appeal, but, again, not in the “a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged by reality” kind of way. Trump voters are indeed overwhelmingly white, but they are not generally whites who have had negative experiences with minority crime or even much direct employment competition with immigrants of color.

What Gallup found is that one of the strongest indicators of Trump support is racial isolation: “Constant support for Trump is highly elevated in areas with few college graduates, far from the Mexican border, and in neighborhoods that stand out within the commuting zone for being white, segregated enclaves, with little exposure to blacks, Asians, and Hispanics.”​

In other words, white people who live in segregated white suburban communities are much more alarmed about demographic change (the browning of America) than white people who live and work in pluralistic communities. This raises a chicken/egg nurture/nature question, because we don’t know if people gravitate to these communities because of their dislike and fear of minorities or if it’s primarily their racial isolation that breeds misunderstanding and mistrust. What we can be pretty sure about, though, is that they don’t want their communities to change or grow more diverse. They like things the way they are or that they were in the recent past. To them, the “Real” America is the homogeneous America they experience in their day-to-day lives, and outsiders are seen as unwelcome interlopers who should be regarded with suspicion.

The still-fuzzy picture of the “Trump vote” that emerges from all this is a bloc of voters who are acutely sensitive to economic decline (even if they aren’t necessarily feeling it themselves) and are more receptive to hypernationalist and nativist politicking due to their own racial and cultural isolation.​

Thus, the typical Trump voter isn’t necessarily a laid off Stars & Bars waving redneck from Steubenville, Ohio. He’s more likely to be a father from a suburban white enclave of Cleveland whose kid can’t move out of the house because he or she can’t find high enough paying work or low enough rent. There’s a good chance that this kid is dabbling in painkillers and opioids brought to his community through Mexican drug traffickers. There’s a whole lot to Trump’s message that speaks to this father (and probably his wife, too), and he’s pissed off, more than anything else, about the bad prospects for his son or daughter.

So, what kind of messages do you think he’s interested in hearing from a Democrat?

I think he wants to know how you’re going to keep Mexican-supplied heroin out of his community, and how you’re going to make it possible for his kid to have the same standard of living and independence that he enjoyed at the same age. Trump offers vague and blunt instruments (building a wall, making deals), but he at least speaks to this man’s anxieties. Quite clearly, the other Republican candidates never did with all their talk of gay marriage and tax cuts and Benghazi.

It shouldn’t be all that surprising that lily-white areas with poor upward social mobility and declining health rates are Trump’s best enclaves of support. At the Washington Monthly, we’ve been hitting on these themes for a couple of years now, most recently in an exclusive from Mike Males, the senior researcher for San Francisco’s Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice.

In 2015 – in stark contrast to 1990 – teen gun-related deaths totaled 57, while teen murder arrests numbered 65. Overall in California, the crime rate among teenagers has dropped by 80 percent since 1980 – at the same time immigration has fueled a growing, more racially diverse young population, now 72 percent of color. The school dropout rate has also nosedived, as have births by teen and young-adult mothers. College enrollment and graduation rates have soared. These trends, moreover, are not unique to California. They’re happening nationally.

The flip side of young Americans’ astonishing behavioral turnaround is an equivalently dramatic decline among older Whites. In California, for example, the number of arrests among people over 40 in 2015 was nearly double the number of arrests among Black and Hispanic teens. Nationally, in a shocking reversal of past patterns, a middle-aged White is at greater risk today of violent death (by suicide, accident, or murder, and especially from guns or illicit drugs) than an African American teenager or young adult.

These stunning reversals of fortune among the generations could help explain one of the central mysteries of this year’s election cycle: why two such starkly divergent views of America – Republican Donald Trump’s grim vision of an apocalyptically degenerated America and Democrat Hillary Clinton’s sunny affirmation of a diversifying country’s bright future – are finding equal resonance. The short answer is that both portraits reflect equally valid truths about Americans’ experience today – depending on who and how old you are. While Democrats’ younger, more diverse constituencies are experiencing dramatic improvements in their personal security and behavioral well-being, Trump’s older White demographic is suffering rising drug abuse, crime, incarceration, suicide, gun fatality, and disarray.​

The Gallup data on Trump supporters actually tracks quite closely to what we’ve been observing, but that doesn’t mean that Millennials have to live in all-white suburbs to feel that this economy doesn’t work for them. And, no matter where people live, parents are feeling the same way.
 
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TeeJay1952

Well-Known Member
The Trump Supporters in Politics (not the frustrated , angry folks) but those who reversed themselves to get onboard for some of the patronage that is despised in the Clinton's activities are really starting to look like a Super Villain Collective of failed antiquated and soon to be rejected philosophies.
Ben Carson
Mike Spence
Chris Christie
Rudy Giuliani
and of course Chachi
It is is like the Wicked Witch of the West said: " I'm Melting!"
 

His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I heard that Trump is actually a Democrat and deliberately set out to destroy the republican party by running for POTUS. Many people say that.

I heard this the same as Trump hears things.....by listening to the many people's voices in my head. I wish those voices would shut up though .... I can't hear Paul Ryan crying.
 
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