The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
Bloomberg said early on when he was considering running that he would only do so if it was looking like a Trump against Sanders election, implying that he didn't think either was qualified. It should be no surprise to see him support Clinton. He believes her to be competent.

If there is ANYONE who is likely to have a good idea of the qualities of Donald Trump it would be a former mayor of New York. That is part of what makes Guliani's endorsement so disreputable. And why Bloomberg's appearance may be helpful.
 
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lwien

Well-Known Member
There will be more emails released as the convention goes on and those emails may be even more damaging then the ones recently released.

But one would have to be pretty naive to think that these email alone should be the downfall of any party, company, etc etc simply for the reason that reading internal emails generated amongst employees is much like reading someone's diary. All kinds of shit is gonna be said that's not meant for public consumption. I have no doubt that if private emails were released from ANY organization, it would be shocking to say the least.

It like the whole "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" and we ALL live in glass houses, eh?

Be that as it may, there is no way the DNC is going to come out of this unscathed and could very well have an impact on the election, especially when one doesn't know what and when the next email shoe will drop.
 

grokit

well-worn member
Pbs made an interesting point in their rnc special washington week in review, that while the electorate in 2016 has changed to a remarkable degree, hillary is essentially the same candidate that she was in 2008. Not just the electorate; the entire political climate has become much more polarized since then. For better or worse, drumpf will be the perceptual agent of change, even if the change he is offering is regressive.

This dovetails into a concept that many have made over the years, that america is being manipulated into a race war. Even if drumpf is stopped damage has been done; if he's elected watch out for the worms.

:horse::myday:
 
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GetLeft

Well-Known Member
Collusion is an old old trick. Even when there wasn't email, there was collusion. Thing about it , it usually means simply that one side outmuscles another. Because it has more proponents. Kind of how democracy works in the end. We're getting a snap shot of the middle part of the process withe the emails. No one who has followed politics for more than a year can pretend to be shocked.

November's election isn't going to be won at either convention. But a difference will be obvious once all the principal players have had their say.

Dem's weren't ready for B even though many of us were. What will we do between now and the next election (or two) to make sure we're ready then?
 
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grokit

well-worn member
Dem's weren't ready for B even though many of us were. What will we do between now and the next election (or two) to make sure we're ready then?
Good point, but we have to find a new candidate because this was bernie's one and only shot.
He will be 75 years old this september:myday:
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The emails that I have read are really small in comparison as to what Ttump has said over over again the last year. An assault to our ears with the hateful rhetoric. Now he's acting like a poisonous spider that he is and wanting Bernie supporters to come and get stuck in his web.

I'm worried about the other emails we will hear later on.

I want to hear emails from the RNC. Trump was singing the praises of the RNC chairperson. Can you imagine some of the things that were and are probably said about Trump?
 
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t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Just in case anyone was lacking links to some of those pesky e-mails . . . ;) Maybe they should have used Snapchat because as we all know now, "Those messages disappear all by themselves" . . . :lol:

DNC member killing horses for insurance money:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/578

DNC making fun of black womans name:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942

DNC telling each other, "I love you too. no homo.":
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/425

DNC requesting a pull [of] an MSNBC commentary segment:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6107

DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450

DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102

DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776

DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a "rigged system.":
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8806

DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762

Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz having an off the record meeting in MSNBC President Phil Griffin's office:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8867

DNC being messed with by the Washington Examiner:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5304

DNC discussing Hillary's policies as unfeasible:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/519

$200k for a private dinner with Hillary:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17287

Offering to send interns out to fake a protest against the RNC:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366

Faking outrage and pasting in a video later.:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102

A mole working inside of the Sanders campaign:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7793

Bringing up Sanders religion to scare the southern voters:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11508

Possible money laundering by moving money back and forth to bypass legal limits:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6230

Politico writer sending his stories to the DNC before he sends them to his editor:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808

DNC feeding CNN the questions they want to be asked in interviews:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077

Creating a fake job ad for a Trump business to paint him as a sexist: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

Hillary funding 2 million dollars in a cooridanted campaign in battleground states to win back the Senate:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7784

DNC is upset that their "allies" didn't send in protestors so they sent out interns: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366

"Clinton Foundation quid-pro-quo worries are lingering, will be exploited in general.":
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351

$50,000 - Lawrence Benenson:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/14700

Daily Fundraising Report for the DNC:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2875

Content & Social Strategy Discussion:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7512

Re: BuzzFeed and DNC connection:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10933

Draft linking news articles about trump to use as negative press.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7586

Fwd: State Dinner Countdown
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1901

Some chick is angry she hasn't been given more stuff from the Obama administration...might be interesting to follow up.

Re: State Dinner Countdown.
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2946

Tim O'Brien: Trump's Fixation on Inflating his Net Worth is a Cause for Concern:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4496

RE: May Fundraising Numbers:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5615

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7720

Hillary for America Raised $26.4 Million in April, Began May with More than $30 Million Cash on Hand:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13986

Re: For approval: Trump supporter graphics:
tps://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/788

Press talking points, states Hillary is their candidate, dated May 5, 2016. More of a smoking gun than the ambiguous talk in the emails themselves:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/fileid/5254/2728

Consultant calling megyn kelly a bimbo. Has PDF attached that says the same:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6087

DNC trying to get away with violating the Hatch Act:
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/20148

Democrats using interns to organize fake "protests.":
https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13830

RE: Action on DNC tomorrow (Immigration Raids):
https://www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9736


More to come I'm sure . . .
 
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HighSeasSailor

Well-Known Member
DNC Planned to Sell Federal Appointments

They're only auctioning off public offices, no big deal and nothing to worry about.

Don't be dazzled by The Donald and overlook the career criminals sitting right under your noses. Trump is at least an open book, here are wolves in sheep's clothing who claim to support a progressive agenda but are actually just money and power players like everyone else.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I guess at this point the voter is at a disadvantage because we haven't been given the opportunity to see the RNC's emails unfortunately. I wonder why that is?

It's pretty obvious why we aren't seeing any of the RNC's emails.
 
CarolKing,

HighSeasSailor

Well-Known Member

Russians also hacked her private email servers. Sounds like the DNC is incompetent with security if you ask me.

So I guess your choices for 2016 are corrupt idiots or corrupt idiots who also can't keep a secret. The ballot may as well ask whether we'd like our assholes singed or our scrotums bitten.
 
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grokit

well-worn member
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:rant::ninja: :peace:
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
Even if the Russians are doing this for Trump, the fact the DNC actually wrote and condoned that behavior is what is problematic, not that they were released. Anyone trying to blame the Russians for this PR and security disaster are only trying to shift the focus from the actual illegal activity.

If the RNC is doing the same, maybe the DNC can get Syria to try and hack them.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
Anyone trying to blame the Russians for this PR and security disaster are only trying to shift the focus from the actual illegal activity.

Illegal activity? What illegal activity.

On another note, I don't know if anyone else has noticed but since Ailes left Fox, it seemed to have dulled the edges just a bit in their right winged rhetoric. They have given more negative responses in regards to Trump than I have ever seen before. Not strong negative responses but there were there nonetheless which I didn't see prior to Ailes departure.........or maybe, it's just all in my head.:shrug:
 
lwien,

lwien

Well-Known Member

You stated they were trying to "shift their focus from actual illegal activities" which is totally false in that they have not engaged in any actual illegal activities related to your link above.

One other thing. While I realize that handing out appointments based upon their economical party support is unethical to say the least, it's naive to think that this practice is not done ALL THE TIME by both parties and they've been doing it since the birth of our nation.
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
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A child walks past a graffiti depicting Russian President Vladimir Putin and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on the walls of a bar in the old town in Vilnius, Lithuania, May 14, 2016.

New questions surround Putin’s interest in Trump’s election
07/25/16 08:00 AM

By Steve Benen
In his first public remarks as a vice presidential candidate, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) took some time to highlight Donald Trump’s ugly rhetorical record. “Donald Trump trash talks folks with disabilities,” Kaine noted, “trash talks Mexican Americans and Latinos, whether they’re new immigrants or governors or federal judges; trash talks women; trash talks our allies; and calls the military a disaster.”

After someone in the Miami audience made a comment that was hard to hear, Kaine paused and said, “Oh, you’re right, he doesn’t trash talk everybody – he likes Vladimir Putin.”

Interest in the Republican presidential candidate’s ties to – and affection for – Russia’s autocratic leader have been simmering for months, but what was once a relatively obscure issue is making its way from the back-burner to the front. ABC News had this report yesterday:

Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook said candidate Donald was pushing for a “pro-Russian” platform and cited experts who say that Russian state actors were behind the recent leak of Democratic National Committee emails in an attempt to help Trump win.

“Experts are telling us that Russian state actors broke into the DNC, took all these emails, and now are leaking them out through these websites,” Mook told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “It’s troubling that some experts are now telling us that this was done by the Russians for the purpose of helping Donald Trump.”

Mook also suggested that the GOP nominee altered the Republican party platform to make it more attractive to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime. “It was concerning last week that Donald Trump changed the Republican platform to become what some experts would regard as pro-Russian,” Mook said.​

Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign chairman, called the allegations “pure obfuscation,” which (a) is an odd way to phrase a denial; and (b) dubious given Manafort’s own ties to Putin’s regime.

Team Trump’s credibility problems notwithstanding, it’s not overstating matters to suggest Russia’s alleged interference in the U.S. presidential election may be the biggest political bombshell of the year – or in several years. I realize there are plenty of shiny objects on the political landscape, but this is becoming an issue that shouldn’t be ignored.

The evidence is not yet conclusive. The available information, however, points in an alarming direction:

* The New York Times reports today, “[R]esearchers have concluded that the national committee was breached by two Russian intelligence agencies, which were the same attackers behind previous Russian cyberoperations at the White House, the State Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. And metadata from the released emails suggests that the documents passed through Russian computers….. Whether the thefts were ordered by Mr. Putin, or just carried out by apparatchiks who thought they might please him, is anyone’s guess.”

* The Washington Post reported overnight, “In the past 24 hours, cybersecurity experts have said that the email cache released by WikiLeaks on Friday appears to have been given to the anti-secrecy group by Russian intelligence.”

* The Washington Post also reported the other day that the Trump campaign, which generally took no interest in the Republican Party’s official platform, took special care to add language about U.S. policy towards Ukraine – a new position that contradicts GOP foreign-policy orthodoxy – that brings the platform in line with the policies of the Russian government.

* The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza, reporting last week from the Republican convention, said he’d spoken to a GOP congressman who believes the “most under-covered story of convention” is Team Trump’s efforts to change the party platform “to be more pro-Putin.”

* Noting Trump’s anti-NATO posture – another break with decades of Republican thought on foreign policy – The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, a center-right observer, noted last week, “Trump is making it clear that, as president, he would allow Russia to advance its hegemonic interests across Europe and the Middle East.”

* TPM’s Josh Marshall had a lengthy piece over the weekend, highlighting Trump’s financial ties to Russia.

* The Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol, an anti-Trump Republican, wrote, “If Trump and Manafort don’t act to allay these concerns by releasing their tax returns (or in other ways), wouldn’t it be advisable for a Republican member of Congress to lead an urgent investigation into whether Putin is interfering in the current American election? Trump and Manafort may be Putin’s chumps. Will other Republicans sit by as the whole Republican party becomes Putin’s party?”

* While some have suggested that these questions lend credence to conspiracy theories, the Washington Post’s Anne Applebaum raised an important point: conspiracy theories tend to focus on allegations of secret misconduct; many of Trump’s ties to Putin are already out in the open.

It’s often hard to predict how Americans will respond to political developments and whether voters will care about assorted controversies. But we’re dealing with circumstances that defy easy explanation: a party that has largely defined its foreign policy by its anti-Russia attitudes has nominated a presidential candidate who sees Russia’s autocratic president as an ally, possibly worthy of emulation.

For GOP leaders who’ve grudgingly thrown their support behind Trump, shouldn’t Trump’s Putin ties – substantive, financial, political – give them serious pause? If Russia is trying to influence the outcome of an American presidential election, doesn’t the political world have a responsibility to pause and ask why?
 

yogoshio

Annoying Libertarian
Proof in the pudding. Don't look at the emails, lets make a smoke screen to change the direction of the media.

If only this kind of scrutiny was given to Clinton's actions with the Clinton foundation and her role as SoS. The issues coming out of there make this look like child's play. Guns for donations, human rights violators getting more guns than ever. I have yet to see any evidence that Clinton wouldn't be the war monger, even if its using 3rd parties.
 
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