The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

lwien

Well-Known Member
I can't believe that America is in this situation with their choices in a president.

If you look back into our history, we've had some pretty sketchy presidents and came out the other side of it pretty much ok. Any one president isn't going to make our break our country. Too may checks and balances in the system for that to happen. With that being said though, if Trump is our next Prez, I'm gonna give myself a lobotomy.
 

Gunky

Well-Known Member
If you look back into our history, we've had some pretty sketchy presidents and came out the other side of it pretty much ok. Any one president isn't going to make our break our country. Too may checks and balances in the system for that to happen. With that being said though, if Trump is our next Prez, I'm gonna give myself a lobotomy.
We probably better start stocking up on pot, just in case.
 

Stevenski

Enter the Dragon
The affairs are not the issue. The repeated, systematic lies & coverups told by his wife is. She won't address Trumps insults because she can't exactly deny them if they are truthful. Classless, crass but truthful & in politics it is game on.

I feel sorry for America with these disgusting representations of the very worst of humanity vying for the presidency but when the population is more interested in the make up of a Kardashians shit than the state of their own country you do reap what you sow.

@lwien I would like to believe that Bernie would rather enjoy a nice vape to go with his scotch & keep that smile smiling :D .
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Chris Christy is in the running for VP among some others I was hearing tonight on the news. I was thinking Trump may not want him because of the George WA Bridge problem. Christy is anti-cannabis. Trump could be all for cannabis one day and against it the next day.
 

grokit

well-worn member
Trump-Ventura 2016? Jesse Ventura would consider it

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Donald Trump appears at a campaign event supporting Jesse Ventura in the Minnesota governor's race on Jan. 7, 2000 in Minneapolis.

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-- Former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura is no stranger to shaking up the political world. Now, the one-time professional wrestler says he'd seriously consider being Donald Trump's 2016 running mate.

"If Donald Trump were to ask me to be his running mate, I would give it very serious consideration because anything to break up the status quo of this country," Ventura told CBS affiliate WCCO. "This country needs to be shaken up. It needs to be shaken to its very core, and Donald Trump is doing that."

The billionaire businessman is leading the polls in the Republican race for president. He was center stage at the first candidates debate, making headlines for being outspoken and controversial.

"My advice to him at this point would be, 'Don't you dare back down, cause if you back down now, you're finished,'" Ventura said. "They tell you defense wins Super Bowls, but that's not presidential. Offense can win the presidency."

Ventura thinks having his name on the ticket would help bring in votes.

"We've been friends for about 25 years, so I don't know if it's in the cards or not, but it just went through my head, 'Boy would that ever get the Republicans angry,'" Ventura said.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ventura-2016-jesse-ventura-would-consider-it/

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Maitri

Deadhead, Low-Temp Dabber, Mahayana Buddhist
I believe in states rights but I wish our national voting laws were more streamlined with each party through all the states. They need to be all the same. You have all these different laws and rules.

It seems like they are changing the voting laws around a lot in some of the states making it confusing for some voters. It gets confusing for older citizens.

Yeah, the state's rights thing seems tricky in a national context. On the one hand, maybe each state should have the autonomy to decide how to run their primaries. On the other hand, I am intrigued by the idea of a national primary day where every state is compelled to participate using the same rules. Imagine a primary season that is reduced from several months to a single day. That seems pretty beneficial to me.

I go back and forth about this but I wonder if Bernie might have a better chance of winning than Hillary? All this bull about Bill's affairs is really putting a damper on things IMO.

I think he really screwed things up for her.

Bernie is having a great speech on CNN right now from Oregon. Looks like a huge crowd. So far he is just saying stuff about Trump.

My biggest concern about Senator Sanders (oddly enough) is not his electability but what happens after he is sworn in. More specifically, given the Republican party's congressional gridlock under President Obama, I am deeply concerned that the gridlock might produce an even less effective congress and federal government when a socialist who others identify as a Jew is in the oval office.

If you look back into our history, we've had some pretty sketchy presidents and came out the other side of it pretty much ok. Any one president isn't going to make our break our country. Too may checks and balances in the system for that to happen. With that being said though, if Trump is our next Prez, I'm gonna give myself a lobotomy.

Yeah, maybe - but I am pretty deeply concerned about how a President Trump could affect the Supreme Court over the next generation.
 

TeeJay1952

Well-Known Member
I think FC is a special place. We stay on topic and talk about our experiences with various aspects of life but remain civil. If we talk out of turn, wrong place or a repetitive we are "Modded". Except here in this topic. Here we comment freely on one another's contribution. This is a mistake. (IMHO) One that I am guilty of.
We should expouse our viewpoints and philosophies. Give our opinions but refrain from commenting on others. Show what and why YOU think something.
I insulted another and misinterpreted what they were saying. I had no right . I apologise. My thoughts are no more important than anyone else's. My inability to gain what was being imparted is mine. I feel awful. This forum is theoretically university. A safe place to explore other's view of the world without rancor or recrimination.
I talk too much without giving enough thought to fallout. Sorry.
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
I think FC is a special place. We stay on topic and talk about our experiences with various aspects of life but remain civil. If we talk out of turn, wrong place or a repetitive we are "Modded". Except here in this topic. Here we comment freely on one another's contribution. This is a mistake. (IMHO) One that I am guilty of.
We should expouse our viewpoints and philosophies. Give our opinions but refrain from commenting on others. Show what and why YOU think something.
I insulted another and misinterpreted what they were saying. I had no right . I apologise. My thoughts are no more important than anyone else's. My inability to gain what was being imparted is mine. I feel awful. This forum is theoretically university. A safe place to explore other's view of the world without rancor or recrimination.
I talk too much without giving enough thought to fallout. Sorry.
Thank you...
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Elizabeth Warren is attacking Trump on Twitter and I'm glad. She's not backing down. Trumps been referring her to "Goofy Elizabeth Warren". She said is that all you can come up with? That's pretty lame then tears into him.

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Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts on Capitol Hill last month. CreditDrew Angerer for The New York Times
Republicans spent an entire primary cycle searching for Donald J. Trump’s weak spot, to little avail.

But Elizabeth Warren, a first-term Democratic senator from Massachusetts, seems to have come up with an answer — or at least a way to rattle the New York billionaire.

On Friday evening, tensions between Mr. Trump and Ms. Warren spilled into a Twitter war, which spanned four hours and more than a dozen posts and insults — “Goofy Elizabeth Warren,” he called her; a sexist, racist, xenophobic “bully,” she countered — on both sides.

The back-and-forth, which played out in public rat-a-tat-tat bursts, 140 characters at a time, also offered a vivid preview of how the six months until Election Day could unfold, with the popular Ms. Warren emerging as a unifier of the Democratic base and Mr. Trump — so far, at least — still unable to resist small provocations as he tries to become a more disciplined general election candidate.

Ms. Warren is one of the few high-profile leaders in either party to repeatedly challenge Mr. Trump with clarity and directness, portraying him as both dangerous and a charlatan. She began her assault in a March 21 Facebook post, describing his candidacy as a “serious threat” and calling him “a loser” — one of the worst insults in the Trump lexicon.


The Electoral Map Looks Challenging for Trump

And on Tuesday, the night Mr. Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, she again took to Facebook to denounce him — a broadside that he seemed to be responding to when, just after 7 p.m. on Friday, he launched a series of Twitter posts deriding her as “goofy” and as Hillary Clinton’s “flunky.”

“Goofy Elizabeth Warren and her phony Native American heritage are on a Twitter rant,” Mr. Trump wrote in one missive, refering to Ms. Warren’s claims of Cherokee ancestry, which became an issue during her 2012 Senate race. “She is too easy! I’m driving her nuts.”

Mr. Trump first teased Ms. Warren about her ancestry claims in an interview last summer with the New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, saying: “She’s caught a little wave. Perhaps it’s her Indian upbringing.” He has since repeated the mockery, calling Ms. Warren “the Indian” at a news conference in Washington earlier this year.

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“Trump has built his campaign on racism, sexism and xenophobia,” Ms. Warren wrote in her Facebook post on Tuesday. “I’m going to fight my heart out to make sure Donald Trump’s toxic stew of hatred and insecurity never reaches the White House.”

Ms. Warren and Mrs. Clinton, the expected Democratic nominee, have had a strained relationship at times, and Ms. Warren’s decision not to endorse Mrs. Clinton so far has irked Democrats who would like to see the primary wrap up. But Ms. Warren is still often mentioned as a possible vice-presidential candidate for Mrs. Clinton, who has said she wants a running mate who can act as an attack dog.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
I think FC is a special place.

And posts like what you posted above is what makes FC a special place. :nod:

(I just sounded like Hillary, especially with that smilie..........:uhoh:)

Yeah, maybe - but I am pretty deeply concerned about how a President Trump could affect the Supreme Court over the next generation.

Yeah, me too. I think the make-up of the Supreme Court is on the top of everyones mind, including the Republicans.
 
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gangababa

Well-Known Member
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I think the make-up of the Supreme Court is on the top of everyones mind, including the Republicans.

Trump Trips Over Himself To Assure Republicans That His Justices Will Be Super Right-Wing

"...Trump’s pledge to appoint anti-abortion justices, moreover, is hardly his only effort to make nice with conservatives eager to regain a majority on the Supreme Court. Last February, Trump told the Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody that the Court’s embrace of marriage equality was “a shocking decision.” The Republican candidate added that he was “very much in favor of states’ rights” and would rather let each state decide whether same-sex couples are entitled to the equal protection of the laws.

In December, Trump named Justice Clarence Thomas as his favorite justice, and he criticized Chief Justice John Roberts as insufficiently conservative.

Roberts, the justice Trump views as not conservative enough, authored a decision neutering a key prong of the Voting Rights Act. He joined the Court’s decision in Citizens United v. FEC relaxing campaign finance restrictions. He authored a decision legalizing certain forms of money laundering by campaign donors. He’s empowered corporate defendants with new ways to avoid lawsuits. He voted to give religious objectors unprecedented ability to limit the rights of their employees. And Roberts’ race decisions often show impatience with the fact that many civil rights laws still exist...."
 

GOOREGON

Member
trump has absolutely NO intention of becoming president....hes the fucking GOP now. think about it...its the lesser of two evils..oh i would never vote for trump..guess hilary is the better option aka lesser of the two evils.i feel sure she will win...who knows though..only a select few people;)
to quote Roosevelt.... "presidents are selected not elected". the only thing we have power over is how we spend our money.. remember that the next time you spend money lol..our voting rights have long been gone..vote with your money !
 

TeeJay1952

Well-Known Member
Long time conservative agrees:
P.J. O’Rourke: I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton, the Devil We Know
Sure, Hillary is the crone in crony capitalism. But Donald…
I endorse Hillary Clinton for president. She is the second worst thing that could happen to America.

I endorse her. And all her pomps. And all her empty promises.

Better the devil you know than the Lord of the Flies on his own 757. Flying to and fro in the earth, with gold-plated seatbelt buckles, talking nativist, isolationist, mercantilist, bigoted, rude, and vulgar crap.


The electorate is possessed by a demon. (Two, if you count Bernie Sanders, the Donald Trump for people still living in their parents’ basements.)

America is experiencing the most severe outbreak of mass psychosis since the Salem witch trials of 1692. No, it’s worse than that. What kind of witch-hunt leaves goodwife Hillary not dunked in a pond?

Wicked and all wet though she is, I pledge my all to aid Hillary in confining Donald Trump to the stocks on the It-Takes-A-Village green. (Bernie’s already been pressed under heavy stones—a real pair of stones—Hillary’s.)

Dorothy and Toto’s house fell on Hillary. I endorse her.

Munchkins endorse her.

Donald Trump is a flying monkey.

Except what the flying monkeys have to say, “oreoreoreo,” makes more sense than Trump’s policy statements.

Not that Hillary makes much sense either.

Hillary is wrong about everything. She is to politics and statecraft what Pope Urban VIII and the Inquisition were to Galileo. She thinks the sun revolves around herself.

But Trump Earth™ is flat. We’ll sail over the edge. Here be monsters.

Hillary is a terrible bien pensant, taking her opinions from the top of the star-studded social ladder. In another day and place she’d be campaigning from Tara with the slogan “Fiddle-Dee-Dee.” Frankly, Hillary, I don’t give a damn. I endorse you anyway.

Better bien pensant than pas de pensees.

Better a nit of wit than a louse.

Better a mangy cat than a rabid dog.

Better the scurrying of mousey progressivism gnawing at the fabric of society in the White House than a rat sitting on the Oval Office desk.

Better to root up the garden of free enterprise with the Democratic pigs than run off a protectionist cliff with the Gadarene swine Republicans.

Ever since Athens in the 5th century B.C. the great enemy of democracy has been the demagogue. But—O tempora! O mores!—now we’ve got a firebrand soap box orator who cannot so much as put a coherent sentence together. He likes to “talk bigly.”

Here’s to you, Hillary, for saving your best bloviation for your highly paid speeches to shady bankers. I would, if I could, pay Trump more to shut up.

Hillary, you are the crone in crony capitalism. I endorse you.

I choose Goldman Sachs’s milch cow over the cretin bull siring his herds of mini-Minotaurs—half-men, half-bullshit—laying waste to the country.

Better a Marie Antoinette of the left saying, “Let them eat fruit and fiber,” than a Know Nothing who would be Robespierre if he could spell it.

Let me tell you why Hillary is a great presidential candidate—by comparison.

Don’t rush me here...

Did I mention that she’s the second worse thing that could happen to America?

She’s a better real-estate developer than Donald Trump.

Trump Taj Mahal Casino, Trump Plaza Hotel, and Trump Entertainment Resorts went bankrupt. Trump restructured $3.5 billion in business debt and $900 million in personal debt. “Restructured” being the Trump way of saying he didn’t pay it. The $39.2 million that it cost taxpayers to investigate Hillary’s Whitewater scam is nothing by comparison.

She doesn’t cheat at golf.

True, Hillary screwed up during the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. As opposed to Donald Trump, who would have sent his supporters to boo and hiss the Islamic extremist attackers and then ask the police to take the extremists away.

Yes, Hillary sent twenty-some top-secret State Department documents to her personal email server. But this shows that she can keep a secret, even if she doesn’t know where to put it and it ends up decorating her Pinterest site. Trump would have sold the top-secret documents on eBay. Also, at least the CIA and NSA and so forth tell Hillary secrets. Would you tell a secret to Donald Trump?

Speaking of which… Like a toddler in a home with a loaded handgun, sooner or later Donald will find the briefcase with the nuclear launch codes. Better set the combination lock code to “411” before he does—he’ll never think of that. Donald hates information.

And the Clinton Foundation is an ugly mess of American foreign policy influence peddling and conflict of interest. Donald Trump will fix it. He has no interest in foreign policy so where’s the conflict? Give him a few months in office and America won’t have any influence left to peddle.

Hillary, I endorse you although you don’t belong in power—you picture of self-satisfaction out of doors. Count me the Iago of your supporters, you ding-dong bell in your West Wing, wild-cat in your can’t-stand-the-heat-get-out-of-the-kitchen, plaster saint in your injuries, player in your housewifery, and housewife in your bed. (Sorry, my mistake, that’s somebody else’s wife in bed with your husband.)

You’re a smug one, Hillary,
You really are a snoot,
You’re as cuddly as a cactus, you’re as charming as a newt, Hillary,
You’re a bad banana in an garish and expensive power suit!

You’re a limousine liberal, Hillary,
Your heart’s an empty hole,
Your brain is full of Sidney Blumenthal, you have boiled kale in your soul, Hillary,
I endorse you with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole!


In sure and certain hope of resurrection I endorse Hillary.

She’ll work a miracle for the Republican Party. I’ve seen the GOP die and be buried before—with Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Watergate. In four short years there was a Second Coming.

I endorse Hillary. Ecce feminae. Behold Jimmy Carter in a pantsuit.
 

Adobewan

Well-Known Member
I think FC is a special place. We stay on topic and talk about our experiences with various aspects of life but remain civil. If we talk out of turn, wrong place or a repetitive we are "Modded". Except here in this topic. Here we comment freely on one another's contribution. This is a mistake. (IMHO) One that I am guilty of.
We should expouse our viewpoints and philosophies. Give our opinions but refrain from commenting on others. Show what and why YOU think something.
I insulted another and misinterpreted what they were saying. I had no right . I apologise. My thoughts are no more important than anyone else's. My inability to gain what was being imparted is mine. I feel awful. This forum is theoretically university. A safe place to explore other's view of the world without rancor or recrimination.
I talk too much without giving enough thought to fallout. Sorry.
Forgive yourself @TeeJay1952 , you're amongst friends who both post, and read posts, medicated.

We've all heard the taboos of discussing politics(and religion), yet this thread remains civil and informative. There are posts that make my head spin, posts that make me crack up, and posts that force me to reassess my own opinion in new light.
It's become the thread I look most forward to reading...
..including your future posts TeeJay.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
A lot of conservatives are for abortion. It's the farthest level to the left are the make abortions illegal folks, the evangelicals. I'm sure Trump has paid for his share of abortions throughout the years. Trump isn't a conservative and he's not a religious person. He is telling his crowds what they want to hear. He will eventually do things his own way.

On Monday evening, California's secretary of state published a list of delegates chosen by the Trump campaign for the upcoming Republican presidential primary in the state. Trump's slate includes William Johnson, one of the country's most prominent white nationalists. [Update: Responding to this story late Tuesday, the Trump campaign blamed Johnson's selection on a "database error," and Johnson told Mother Jones he would resign. Here are documents showing the Trump campaign's personal correspondence with Johnson yesterday.]

Johnson applied to the Trump campaign to be a delegate. He was accepted on Monday. In order to be approved he had to sign this pledge sent to him by the campaign: "I, William Johnson, endorse Donald J. Trump for the office of President of the United States. I pledge to cast ALL of my ballots to elect Donald J. Trump on every round of balloting at the 2016 Republican National Convention so that we can MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" After he signed, the Trump campaign added his name to the list of 169 delegates it forwarded to the secretary of state.

Trump should not be eligible to be the nomination for president if he hasn't released his taxes. Need to see how much Trump pays.
 
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neverforget711

Well-Known Member
"Nobody reads the bible more than me."
----Donald Trump
You think that's jokes but a borderline secular republican erases some low hanging fruit you could otherwise hit them with. It is interesting pious evangelical folk are receptive to Trump, must have him mistaken for ceasar.
 
neverforget711,

thisperson

Ruler of all things person
I'm kind of curious, how many of you actually gave all politicians a fair shot and saw one of their rallies? I gave Trump, Hillary, and Bernie a shot. The only one who's rallies I still watch are Bernie's.

A lot of conservatives are for abortion. It's the farthest level to the left are the make abortions illegal folks, the evangelicals.

Uh, I think one of your premises is wrong. Religious conservatives aren't so far left. They're pretty much on the far right and with authoritarian. Why else would they support a policy which is so invasive into people's lives. Forcing women to have children. Absurd.
 
thisperson,

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Not all republicans are against abortions. There are plenty of evangelical tea party types that want abortion ilegal but there are the middle of the road republicans that want to keep abortions legal. It comes down to who we get in the Supreme Court. Trump can't become president.

Hopefully the democrats will be somewhat united because if not we will be in for a long long winter.

Winter is coming if Trump is elected.

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Then there are nut cases like this. This was from a few weeks ago or so.

It seems like months ago when Donald Trump accidentally let it slip that women who have illegal abortions should be punished somehow. In reality, it's only been two weeks since Trump said what most anti-choice conservatives have secretly known all along -- that if abortion is murdering a human life, then the murderer and the murderer's accomplices should be punished according to laws against, you know, murder.

In the wake of Trump's remarks, though, conservatives lined up to deny the idea, knowing that Trump's remarks were too extreme, even for radical anti-choicers, many of whom don't want exceptions in cases of rape or threats to the life of the mother. Think about that: almost no one, at least no one who's serious, stood up in support of Trump's crazy idea, and his is a party that prides itself on extremism and crazy ideas.

For example, let's take a look at anti-choice extremist Kurt Schaefer, a Missouri Republican (of course) who happens to be the chairman of the Sanctity of Life committee in the Missouri state Senate. Yes, they have a Sanctity of Life committee in Missouri's upper chamber. We can only imagine the unpasturized insanity that takes place during a typical hearing.

Actually, no. We don't have to imagine at all.

Schaefer, this week, demanded that Planned Parenthood of Missouri turn over a list of every woman in the state who's had a legal abortion in one of its facilities, even though federal law, specifically the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, as well as basic morality forbids it. Worse, the committee has issued subpoenas to various Planned Parenthood officials, demanding they turn over the lists.
 
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Awhile back I responded to a post where I said that I would be voting for Bernie versus Hillary because I prefer his policies and his message. My premise was that it may be a tough hill to climb and it may take time but the important part was....... if I wanted the policies/changes that line up with my ideals I would be wasting my vote if I didn't vote for the candidate that represents them. The counterpoint was 'Why would I vote for anyone who's policies didn't have a chance in hell of being enacted' during his term should he win.

As naive as it sounded to some I believed 'the message' itself had value and could move things in the preferred direction if it was backed by votes.......even if he didn't win.......

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-moves-towards-sanders-medicare-153300503.html
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Donald Trump disavows longtime butler after he called for Obama to be killed
This guy was still on Trumps payroll a short time ago. Obviously the old guy has some mental problems, he's 84. I had previously posted about this guy. He hadn't done anything bad it just was a human interest story. He could judge Trump's mood by the color of clothes or hat he wore. But since that article Mr. Senecal's mental capacity has declined.

(CNN)Donald Trump's campaign is disavowing the real estate mogul's former butler, after he posted to Facebook Thursday that he wants President Barack Obama to be killed.

Anthony Senecal, who served as Trump's butler for 17 years and now takes groups on tours of the presumptive Republican nominee's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, wrote in a Facebook post Wednesday that Obama "should have been taken out by our military and shot as an enemy agent in his first term," according to Mother Jones, which first reported on Senecal's post.
Reached for comment by CNN on Thursday, Senecal, 84, confirmed he wrote the post, but disputed one point, "I think I said hung."
 
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Gunky

Well-Known Member
Awhile back I responded to a post where I said that I would be voting for Bernie versus Hillary because I prefer his policies and his message. My premise was that it may be a tough hill to climb and it may take time but the important part was....... if I wanted the policies/changes that line up with my ideals I would be wasting my vote if I didn't vote for the candidate that represents them. The counterpoint was 'Why would I vote for anyone who's policies didn't have a chance in hell of being enacted' during his term should he win.

As naive as it sounded to some I believed 'the message' itself had value and could move things in the preferred direction if it was backed by votes.......even if he didn't win.......

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-moves-towards-sanders-medicare-153300503.html
Hillary recently mentioned in a speech (and months ago on her website) that she supported a public option and this was picked up by the NYT a couple days ago and touted as Hillary moving leftward toward Bernie; many other publications are now echoing this theme. It's kind of stupid since she has supported the public option for years, during Obamacare passage but also similar proposals back in 1993: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
Everybody wants to think of Clinton as the establishment candidate now. A quarter century ago she was a radical, advocating for universal coverage and government subsidies for people too poor to kick in - Hillarycare, it was dubbed. It has taken the country all this time to catch up with her. (And it has to be admitted, much of the country has not only still not caught up with her, they are having all sorts of problems with Obamacare, which isn't even "universal" care but only "somewhat better access" to care.) Much of the voting public (and apparently more than one journalist) is too young to remember or getting on and suffering collective amnesia.
 
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