The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

[lwien]

...but I think he has a conscience...

Why do you think that?

 

[Snappo]

Why do you think that?

I would think that even a Rumsfeld or a Cheney could muster a conscience now & then, albeit fleeting. What brings them back to themselves, sans regretful reflection, is a warped sense of purpose and justification for a cause that they've sworn an allegiance to. This they would call virtue. Now, enter Trump in the same vein...

 

[thisperson]

You guys should see this article.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/04/dro...twitter_users_clinton_cant_buy_this_election/

Also have you guys heard that in a recent CA poll Bernie was winning? Yep 61% in favor. Whoot.

 

[Snappo]

... a recent CA poll Bernie was winning? Yep 61% in favor. Whoot.

Momentum!

 

[Gunky]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-california-democratic-presidential-primary

 

[lwien]

Ya know, I asked previously that if Hilary won, if she'd pick Bernie to be her VP and everyone said, "Not a chance in hell." but if she does squeak by a win in the primary, she may want to strongly consider it to solidify the party and make sure that Bernie supporters will come out and vote for her in the General, eh?

And BTW, if I was Trump, I'd pick Nikki Haley in a heartbeat as my VP. I know she said she doesn't want it but I'd recruit here anyway and if I did, she would come on board.

 

[thisperson]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-california-democratic-presidential-primary

I was going off of this: http://www.inquisitr.com/3050424/be...ysis-predicts-a-61-percent-win-in-california/

Also @Gunky, I know you're a pretty staunch Hillary supporter from reading this thread, but have you seen the possibility of voter fraud? If that's true that means she's not the strongest candidate as you think, although polling also suggests this.

https://medium.com/@spencergundert/hillary-clinton-and-electoral-fraud-992ad9e080f6#.j59wvf4yv

 

[Gunky]

Ya know, I asked previously that if Hilary won, if she'd pick Bernie to be her VP and everyone said, "Not a chance in hell." but if she does squeak by a win in the primary, she may want to strongly consider it to solidify the party and make sure that Bernie supporters will come out and vote for her in the General, eh?

-snip-

The problem with that is Bernie has darn sharp elbows. At this late date and with no hope of actually securing the nomination he is still suggesting daily that she has been bought by various boogeymen.

Bernie did an amusing turn this afternoon on PBS News Hour. Judy Woodruff said to Bernie that Hillary has charged whenever foreign policy comes up Bernie cites his vote against the Iraq war but has little else of substance to say. Bernie couldn't help himself and went full-on Marco Rubio and ended up doing exactly what Hillary predicted.

Did I mention that Bernie consistently refers to himself with the royal 'we'?

 

[Maitri]

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-california-democratic-presidential-primary

Source: Nate Silver, 538.com

 

[t-dub]

Trump just had a rally in my humble home town of Eugene, Oregon. Look out @CarolKing he is flying north tonight. Bernie was here a couple weeks ago. This has to be the most dynamic election cycle I have witnessed in my life. Why these guys are coming to my little town I don't know, maybe its the university. One thing for certain, there is a lot of time and things will change before the general election.

 

[CarolKing]

Governor Jay Enslee and other Washington Democratic leaders took aim at Donald Trump on the eve of his Washington visit.

“Your hate is not welcome in our state,” said the Governor at a news conference Friday afternoon held at El Centro de la Raza.

“Donald Trump is running a dangerous campaign. He’s putting forward dangerous policy proposals, and his dangerous rhetoric is actively harming families today in the state of Washington,” he continued.

Governor Inslee was joined by Congressman Adam Smith (D-9th District), along with Hispanic and Muslim community leaders across Seattle.

“If he’s coming to Washington State, we need to stand up and say we don’t want him here, we don’t want his hate speech anywhere in the United States of America,” said Rep. Smith.

“Your hate speech is a crime against our children,” said Estela Ortega, Executive Director of El Centro de la Raza.

 

[grokit]

Ya know, I asked previously that if Hilary won, if she'd pick Bernie to be her VP and everyone said, "Not a chance in hell." but if she does squeak by a win in the primary, she may want to strongly consider it to solidify the party and make sure that Bernie supporters will come out and vote for her in the General, eh?

And BTW, if I was Trump, I'd pick Nikki Haley in a heartbeat as my VP. I know she said she doesn't want it but I'd recruit here anyway and if I did, she would come on board.

I like the sanders idea and agree that it would unite the party, but unfortunately I don't see them coming to a consensus on very much. If they did it would have to be hillary moving sanders way more than not.

As far as trump goes I would rather see him pick jesse ventura, then it would be on I'll tell ya whut

 

[His_Highness]

I like the sanders idea and agree that it would unite the party, but unfortunately I don't see them coming to a consensus on very much. If they did it would have to be hillary moving sanders way more than not.

Gotta agree with ya....in this case opposites don't attract. While they both have commonalities at a general level the details get in the way big time. For example...they both want health care for all but they don't have common ground on how to get there. I don't see Bernie warming up to the Clinton approach or vice versa.

 

[lwien]

Gotta agree with ya....in this case opposites don't attract. While they both have commonalities at a general level the details get in the way big time. For example...they both want health care for all but they don't have common ground on how to get there. I don't see Bernie warming up to the Clinton approach or vice versa.

When one considers the VERY heated debate and expressed differences when Hillary was running against Obama for the Presidency yet he picked her as Sec. of State, for me, Hillary picking Bernie for VP seems a bit more plausible, eh?

The concerns with BOTH parties is that their constituency is going to sit it out rather than vote and THAT could cost them the election. Will strong anti-Trump GOP voters vote for him or sit it out. If they sit it out, it will make it damn near impossible for Trump to win. Will strong Bernie supporters vote for Hillary or will they sit it out. If they sit it out, it could pose major problems for Hillary. In my opinion, winning the election takes precedence over their differences.

 

[lwien]

This is kinda old news but it's still pandering at it's best. My take on this. If ANY Hispanics out there actually believe that he sincerely loves you because he's eating a taco bowl, you deserve to be deported..........at once. Hell, if anything, this tweet should be taken as an insult.

It would be no different if a pic was taken of him eating some matzo ball soup followed with a statement of........"I love Jews".

Almost as bad as when he said "I love the poorly educated."

What a fucking imbecile.

 

[His_Highness]

When one considers the VERY heated debate and expressed differences when Hillary was running against Obama for the Presidency yet he picked her as Sec. of State, for me, Hillary picking Bernie for VP seems a bit more plausible, eh?

I see your point but remain skeptical. I've viewed the Sec. of State appointment as a consolation prize given to Hillary because 'it was her turn' and it didn't pan out and also to keep her in the limelight for the next run.

Sec. of State is one thing....but running on the same ticket requires some ties that bind from a position standpoint and I don't see any.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/06/How-Obamacare-Could-Backfire-Hillary-Clinton

 

[Gunky]

When one considers the VERY heated debate and expressed differences when Hillary was running against Obama for the Presidency yet he picked her as Sec. of State, for me, Hillary picking Bernie for VP seems a bit more plausible, eh?

The concerns with BOTH parties is that their constituency is going to sit it out rather than vote and THAT could cost them the election. Will strong anti-Trump GOP voters vote for him or sit it out. If they sit it out, it will make it damn near impossible for Trump to win. Will strong Bernie supporters vote for Hillary or will they sit it out. If they sit it out, it could pose major problems for Hillary. In my opinion, winning the election takes precedence over their differences.

The thing is when Obama became inevitable in 2008, Hillary pulled back. She was actually in a much better place to go for a brokered convention (she had more votes but fewer delegates) than Bernie is today, and she decided to drop it rather than fight Obama to the bitter end. The nature of Bernie's accusations - that Hillary has been bought (though he always points to banks and conveniently avoids the unions and so forth who paid similar amounts to hear her speak) - make it very hard to kiss and make up, especially given the fact that he is still making these accusations at a point where he cannot become the nominee and he is only hurting her now, not helping himself.

 

[lwien]

I see your point but remain skeptical. I've viewed the Sec. of State appointment as a consolation prize given to Hillary because 'it was her turn' and it didn't pan out and also to keep her in the limelight for the next run.

Sec. of State is one thing....but running on the same ticket requires some ties that bind from a position standpoint and I don't see any.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/05/06/How-Obamacare-Could-Backfire-Hillary-Clinton

Funny thing about primaries. To win a primary, one MUST clearly define their differences and if need be, either exaggerate those differences and even sometimes, create those differences in order to differentiate yourself from your opponent. Once the primaries are over, there is no longer a need to do that, hence...........things can dramatically change.

 

[Gunky]

I don't know if you watched the interview with Bernie friday night on PBS News Hour. To my mind there was definitely something wrong with Bernie. He is still acting like he has a path to the nomination. He doesn't. Yeah politicians say they are going for broke right up until they aren't, but Bernie isn't just jawing; he believes it! He is losing on pledged delegates so now he talks about winning by turning super-delegates. He has now argued both sides of the coin on super-delegates! Bernie got bitten by the adulation and the temptation of power and has to a considerable extent started blowing it, IMO.

The interview proves Clinton correct: on foreign policy Bernie is running on voting against both Iraq wars. These are his foreign policy chops. Bernie started out as a message candidate who did not expect to be competitive; he has never developed much of a foreign policy.

 

[CarolKing]

That pic of Trump eating a taco bowl at Trump Towers was a very condescending comment.

I also agree that the Sec. of State job that was given to Hillary was a consolation prize. I also agree that is why the DNC picked Hillery as their number one candidate. It was her turn.

Everyone was surprised that Bernie did so well. Bernie deserves something out of this. Not sure what his consolation prize is but pushing the party to the left a little I'm sure would be fine with him. He said he wants some of his issues on the table with the Democratic Party. Things like the minimum wage and medical for all. He wants change for America not a consolation position. He's not in it for himself is what I get from Bernie.

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I will vote for the democratic person whoever it may be because they are both qualified whereas Trump is not. I don't think I would trust him with national secrets or the security of our country.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Hillery was a good (not great) Sec of State. Served the nation during a critical time (Cleaning up after W's various messes) and looked to her own interests after 3 years. She ran for Senate, won and was good (not great) Senator. Polished her resume and showed she could work with others here and around the world. I hear folks say "Why don't you like Trump?" followed by "How can you stand Corrupt Hillery?"
I find both difficult to fathom. Who has track record of public service and who is TV personality?
My Goodness get off the couch and convince someone else to go vote.

 

[CarolKing]

Obama is on CNN speaking at Howard University's graduation. He is such a great speaker, he has me in tears. I will miss him when he's not our president. What a wonderful man. How could people even consider a man like Donald Trump, what a bunch of fucking whacos. He's encouraging young people to vote.

It pisses me off that some people are so damn stupid in the Republican Party.

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@lwien That was great, Obama had singled out a particular young black woman graduate. How she had given up a scholarship at Harvard university ( I think it was Harvard) to go to Howard. That she would go back to her home town when she graduates to make sure that the folks have healthcare.I saw that when the young woman was standing up in tears.

Folks need to see what a drastic contrast the two are, Trump or Obama. I never thought Trump would have a snowball's chance in hell last summer to become the Republicans choice.

With all the others in the race with him. The more outrageous and stupid Trump became the more crazy voters came out of the back woods. Trump loves the uneducated. I don't know if any of you caught this but Trump was asking his crowd at his speech yesterday, "are you tired of being treated like that you are stupid?" If they are listening and wanting this idiot as president then yes they are stupid.
I'm sorry if I offended any FCer with my comment.

By the way did you see Bill Maher last night? I really loved last weeks show with Rob Reiner, love him. Always great to hear Bill Mahers comments about the election. His summing up the primaries for the Republicans video was really funny.

 

[thisperson]

Bernie did an amusing turn this afternoon on PBS News Hour. Judy Woodruff said to Bernie that Hillary has charged whenever foreign policy comes up Bernie cites his vote against the Iraq war but has little else of substance to say. Bernie couldn't help himself and went full-on Marco Rubio and ended up doing exactly what Hillary predicted.

Did I mention that Bernie consistently refers to himself with the royal 'we'?

I refer to myself as we for some reason too. Have since I was a kid. All my internal dialogues include we or us. I've even slipped and said it a few times out loud. I don't know why you hate on this, it's just a speech pattern, he probably should say it considering he's always talking about us not me.

I primarily wanted to respond to the PBS Newshour interview. We must have such skewed perspectives because I thought he nailed that interview. For everyone else, here it is:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/reso...y-foreign-policy-and-the-outlook-for-the-dnc/

He flat out admits that he hasn't had the experience of being secretary of state and even gets in a sharp elbow of how Libya got fumbled. Then he goes on to list his votes against the first gulf war as well as Iraq. He denounces Kissinger. Pretty routine stuff for him. Then he says again that ISIS must be destroyed by muslim troops and an alliance between us.

Distinguishing himself from the interventionist policies in the middle east and southern america and providing details on his vision for defeating ISIS. That's all he said as far as foreign affairs went. It might not be a fully detailed battle plan, but for the people who are tired of toppling dictators and democratically elected leaders, as well as tired of having US troops die...that says a lot.

I loved the later segments of that interview as well. It was great.

Also, @Gunky I read your pro Hillary posts and retained support for my candidate. It seems like you're not even responding to me and I feel like I already got to know you a bit. Read and Respond dude! I want to pick your brain. lol

 

[lwien]

Obama is on CNN speaking at Howard University's graduation. He is such a great speaker, he has me in tears.

Me too, especially when he was talking about the single mother who raised a graduate and as he was giving that graduate praise, the camera panned back to her standing up......in tears. Well.........that did it for me.

And, btw, Fox didn't cover this at all. Guess they figured that this commencement address was to philosophically challenging for their demographic.

The contrast of what comes out of Obama's mouth and out of Trumps mouth almost seems to be coming out of two different species.

 

[CarolKing]

Now Trump is tearing into Elizabeth Warren. He better watch it, he's being very personal with his attacks. People like Elizabeth Warren. He's calling her a fraud. No, Trumps a fraud.

Republicans are still looking for a third party candidate, many aren't going to vote for him.

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Interesting Trump isn't going to Seattle. He's going to Spokane. I think he would get more protesters in Seattle. Spokane is more Republican country.