The 2016 Presidential Candidates Thread

lwien

Well-Known Member
Ha I'm not an extremist nut job, they can check me all they want, we are all entitled to an opinion...

I worked at the NSA. You don't have to be an extremist nut job to catch their attention but I can tell you this. Even if you're not an "extremist nut job", it's still a good idea not to cause yourself any unwanted scrutiny.

Are you entitled to your opinion? Sure you are, but in this day and age, those expressed opinions "could" have consequences.
 
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kellya86

Herb gardener...
I appreciate what your saying, but with all due respect I am well aware of where the line of getting noticed is, and I'm nowhere near it...

I have said nothing that hasn't been joked about by many people before me...

Seems people are edgy about this, so I shall retire from this thread....
 
kellya86,

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I've mentioned in this thread George Wallace was shot because of his racists statements during campaigning for president. There are a lot of crazy people out there.
That's how it should be said.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
I've mentioned in this thread George Wallace was shot because of his racists statements during campaigning for president. There are a lot of crazy people out there.
That's how it should be said.

Bingo :tup:.

As said in the movie, Shielder's List............"It's all in the presentation."
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
Right, one's statements should be crafted so as not to be construed as making a veiled threat. Clarity in context is key.
 
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Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
People here aren't edgy about this. We're just trying to give you some perspective on the context, not the content, of what you said and we've done this, not for our benefit, but for yours.
Right again... and frankly, I for one, don't wish to attract any undue attention to this forum as it relates to me and mine... job security and lifestyle are heavily at stake.
 

HomeFree

Well-Known Member
To be honest I don't want any of the D's or R's currently in the running to become president. I am looking into third party candidates. I am actually kind of frightened, but maybe they will surround themselves with decent advisers? Gary Johnson is running again. I didn't vote for him 4 years ago but considering the lineup he may be worth a second look - to me. Different strokes for different folks.

I don't like voting for the lesser of an evil. I did once to help get Obama in his first term but that's it. I thought he was going to be our savior though. Did not turn out as well as I had hoped.
 
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kellya86

Herb gardener...
we've done this, not for our benefit, but for yours.

Thanks for the concern but it's not needed. Like I said, I know where the line is...

Your all to paranoid, I said nothing wrong...everyone need's to chill out...

Look how your government has made you scared to say things for fear of investigation, that's bullshit... if I think trump will get shot by some agency, then I will say it... fuck censorship.
I wouldn't say anything that I think would genuinely offend or upset anyone...

I have worked for the us government in the defence sector, what I said was nothing....

Apologies if it annoyed anyone...was not my intention...

Done.
 

howie105

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the concern but it's not needed. Like I said, I know where the line is........You know where your line is, folks who have and are living different lives will have different concerns and perceptions. For me as a supporter of free speech even the idea of a line in the sand for political free speech is abhorrent, but you are right and free to believe as you will.

I have said nothing that hasn't been joked about by many people before me..... Yep and if we had a dollar for everyone who said "I was just joking" to the authorities as their defense we could hire them some lawyers.

Look how your government has made you scared to say things for fear of investigation, that's bullshit...My government has a long history of "fixing things" by killing people and or destroying lives always has and I suspect it always will. That is bullshit but it is also fact.

I have worked for the us government in the defence sector, what I said was nothing....and in another life I was once actually charged with theft of government property (a fucking safe) which I was supposed to have loaded onto a bicycle and escaped with. Different lives, different experiences.


Your all to paranoid, I said nothing wrong...everyone need's to chill out...Yep and saying its just skin color, its just a weed, its just what I believe has come from many mouths right before the boot came down. Like I said different folks, different lives different approaches to survival.

if I think trump will get shot by some agency, then I will say it... fuck censorship......Good for you.

I wouldn't say anything that I think would genuinely offend or upset anyone...Not pissing people off is not what free speech is about but its good to have your own standards.

Enjoy
 
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grokit

well-worn member
"The final results from another Democratic primary contest:

Democrats Abroad Results - March 21, 2016
Sanders: 69% (nine delegates)
Clinton: 31% (four delegates)

Here’s why this result is important: Bernie netted more delegates from the Democrats Abroad voting than Hillary Clinton netted with her narrow victories in Illinois, Massachusetts, and Missouri combined.

This is the result we needed. Now we wait to hear from Arizona, Idaho, and Utah later tonight, where we should do well."

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Nooky72

Dog Marley
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grokit

well-worn member
:razz: Look, we're talking about trump just like he said we would...


Donald Trump is a fraud:
Report confirms the billionaire’s presidential bid is a long and calculated con job



Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a campaign rally at Clinton Middle School, Saturday, Jan. 30, 2016, in Clinton, Iowa. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)(Credit: AP)

Donald Trump’s presidential campaign feels whimsical, like a practical joke or publicity tour gone awry. But it turns out the Donald is running a long con. A new report in Politico suggests Trump has been plotting this stunt for years, and he knew exactly what he had to do to succeed.

According to the report, Trump was approached two years ago by GOP operatives who wanted him to run for governor of New York. To their surprise, he declined but added that they would be useful when he ran for president. “I’m going to walk away with it and win outright,” Trump told the group, “I’m going to get in and all the polls are going to go crazy. I’m going to suck all the oxygen out of the room. I know how to work the media in a way that that they will never take the lights off of me.”

Trump knew all along that his celebrity and media savvy were sufficient to support his campaign. Although they didn’t believe him, Trump told the Republicans in that room in 2013 that he would dominate the race without spending much on paid advertising. From the report:

“’You can’t run for president on earned media,’ one attendee recalled telling Trump. The billionaire looked up, and paused for a long moment. ‘I think you’re wrong,’ Trump said. ‘Are you going to do all those little events at the Pizza Ranches?” another person asked, referring to the Iowa fast food franchises that are a staple of presidential campaign stops. ‘Maybe a little,’ Trump replied. ‘But it’s really about the power of the mass audience.’”

Trump was right. The ability to control the narrative, to dominate the coverage, is all it takes. Trump’s amorality coupled with his gift for self-promotion has turned the Republican presidential race on its head. He’s made the race about him, and anytime he isn’t the main story, he lurches back into the headlines with an outrageous comment about women or Muslims or Mexicans or disabled people – anything to win the news cycle.

The biggest takeaway from the report is that Trump is indeed a professional huckster. And whatever else he is, he’s not stupid. He doesn’t believe half the absurdities he utters on the campaign trail either. As the report makes clear, everything he’s done and said was designed to dupe the media into funding his marketing strategy.

Trump’s a TV man; he understands the landscape. He knows interesting is preferable to informed or reasonable or lucid. Which is why he eschews talking points or scripts and instead riffs on stage like a stand-up. Trump’s free-wheeling approach means he could say literally anything at any moment, and that’s the kind of thing people want to watch. The bit about Mexicans being criminals and rapists, for example, was entirely improvised during Trump’s announcement speech, and while it was an egregious thing to say, the sheer craziness of the remarks won him a week’s worth of headlines and catapulted his campaign.

“Trump didn’t foresee the furor his Mexico comments would generate; it was a reaction that built slowly and broke into a fever pitch,” Eli Stokols and Ben Schreckinger write. “But even if he didn’t predict what exactly would kick off the media frenzy, he had planned all along to offer the media a candidacy it couldn’t resist covering.” This is what Trump has done from the beginning: say something offensive, watch the media pounce, and allow the saturated coverage to fuel his insurgent campaign.

Trump’s strategy is nearly perfect. On the one hand, he’s tapped into a vein of resentment in the country, and in a way no serious politician could. And on the other hand, he’s free to say whatever he wants, no matter how controversial, because doing so breathes more oxygen into his campaign. Even more advantageous, he’s entered the race at an ideal time. The public — for good reasons — no longer trusts Washington. Trump is a hack who can’t fix anything, but people make bad decisions when they’re anxious or angry, and Trump is offering them an alternative to the status quo. This is what demagogues do, and it usually works.

As a candidate, Trump appears uncontainable. His risk tolerance is unmatched, and that gives him a freedom no other candidate enjoys. He can offend anyone, promise anything, and circumnavigate the entire process without ever having to apologize. Not apologizing, as the Politico writers note, only bolsters “a candidate who appeals to voters fed up with political correctness and establishment niceties.” It also forces the other candidates to play his game, to react to the tone he sets and the issues he raises.

Everything Trump does has to be seen in the broader context of his media-centric strategy. No one should ask if Trump believes what he says; it’s impossible to know. If he does believe something he says, it’s a happy coincidence, because his campaign is an experiment in modern marketing, not an expression of his political worldview.

https://www.salon.com/2016/02/01/do...dential_bid_is_a_long_and_calculated_con_job/
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I appreciate that Bernie Sanders has enough money that he can continue with his presidential campaign. You never know, something could happen and he can swoop in there. Like if something happened in a negative way to Hillary such as a health problem or the Benghazi story blows up. Even something that was on her email.

Bernie brings up important issues that wouldn't otherwise be talked about. It makes Hillary a better opponent in the major election or who knows it might be our guy Bernie.:tup: I'm feeling the Bern, he was in Seattle yesterday. I watched him on tv, Hilary's here today in WA. Our caucus is coming up.

@grokit i really enjoyed the above article about Trump's "con job." I had heard somewhere that he had his people studying how he could win the presidency and not have to spend hardly anything. In the beginning of Trump's campaign I kept wondering why CNN kept having him on all the time. While they weren't showing any of the candidates, oh maybe just a little.

The media shouldn't have been taken in. It's ratings. The presidential race is like some television game show. May the one that gets the most media coverage wins.
 
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His_Highness

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Here's a bit of a contrarian view......

If Trump had said this before running... I'm going to run for president and not only will I win the nomination but instead of it costing me money to do it.... I'll make money doing it. We would have thought he was hanging out with Gary Busey too much.

The above sounds kinda like..... I'll build a wall and they'll gladly pay for it doesn't it?

Disclaimer....I could have put this in the 'Bump this thread if you're vaped now' thread :haw:
 

howie105

Well-Known Member
With respect, most politicians are frauds because we as voters don't want to do the work needed to select a leader from a pool of flawed and confusing candidates. Much easier to rally around the flags we know and the candidates who supposedly support whatever positions we hold dear. Once elected they are golden and free to pursue whatever agenda they want. Be it a continued generational war or ignoring all the pot heads that supported them. As for Trump he is selling his brand with all those years of exposure and practice and it appeals to a section of the populace. That section gets their votes and everybody else gets their voices too and its not over till the votes are counted, or at least that is the presentation.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Trump could do damage to his brand if people get mad enough at him. They could choose to boycott his casinos and hotels.

If he gets into office he could really fucks things up. Things could get way worse than when George W. Bush was president. We thought that was bad.

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I was just reading about Donald Trump now attacking Ted Cruz's wife. He said that he was going to spill the beans on her.
Trump thought that Cruz had something to do with an ad with Melania Trump, she was pictured in a revealing photo. Something that she had posed for when she was a model. Evidently Cruz had nothing to do with it. It turned out to be from the super pack republicans against Trump. The Cruz's shouldnt even refer to it. They need to ignore. Don't give Trump the satisfaction.

There are way more important problems in the world. Such as bombs going off in major European cities and airports. This is so high school. I can't believe the American people are so stupid to follow some idiot like Donald Trump. It makes my head hurt.

Trump shoots his mouth off before he knows the facts. Just what we need in a president, some hot head that would send nuclear bombs then say never mind later.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
When the going gets tough, some Republicans fall to pieces

03/23/16 10:00 AM

Hillary Clinton delivered remarks in Seattle last night and responded to the deadly terrorism in Brussels, while also pushing back against Republican rhetoric. “The last thing we need, my friends, are leaders who incite more fear,” Clinton said. “In the face of terror, America doesn’t panic. We don’t build walls or turn our backs on our allies.”

It was, to be sure, a nice sentiment, though Republicans spent the day arguing that inciting fear and panicking are perfectly viable options. The Huffington Post had a good summary:
Many people opened their hearts and their doors to those affected by Tuesday’s Brussels attacks that killed more than 30 and injured at least 200 people on Tuesday. Some even donated blood.

But prominent conservatives used the tragedy to draw links with refugees and border closures, and promote other extremist agendas. It’s an eery reminder of the hateful rhetoric that abounded in the wake of the November attacks on Paris, when more than half of U.S. governors demanded to stop all Syrian refugee arrivals.​
It’s safe to say this wasn’t the right’s finest hour. The top two Republican presidential candidates spent much of yesterday taking turns saying offensive things. Donald Trump and Ted Cruz collectively talked up torture, border closings, and discrimination, with minimal regard for reason. The Texas senator even endorsed the idea that security conditions would improve if only President Obama would adopt the rhetorical phrasing that conservatives prefer.

In other words, in the face of deadly terrorism, leading Republicans generally slipped into incoherence. Offered an opportunity to show their steady hands when the pressure is on, the GOP’s would-be presidents gave in to their worst instincts and put on a hysterical show for the public.

And as this relates to the 2016 presidential race, it was an elucidating development. Long, national campaigns offer insights into how candidates think and react to unpredictable circumstances. Do they show grace under fire, or do they buckle as the temperature rises?

President Obama’s unflappable demeanor has annoyed pundits for years – I’m convinced a variety of commentators think it’d be a good thing to see him fly off the handle and get completely hysterical – but over the course of the last decade, Americans have learned that this president knows how to keep his cool, no matter how intense the circumstances. Few would make a similar assessment of the Republicans who hope to succeed him.

But it’s the recent pattern that rankles most. How many times have we seen Republicans panic over the last few years when confronted with alarming conditions?

Back in November, NBC’s First Read team published a good piece that continues to ring true:
Americans are frightened and suspicious of foreigners entering the country from abroad. The political press is blaming President Obama for not doing enough. Rival politicians with presidential ambitions are seizing on the issue.

Sounds like the political aftermath after Friday’s terrorist attacks in Paris, right? But those same descriptions – fear, suspicion, blame, and political opportunism – apply to what happened just a year ago during the Ebola scare.​
And those descriptions apply to what happened after San Bernardino. And during the child-migrant crisis. And yesterday.

As we discussed after the Paris attacks, can anyone think of the last time GOP officials, en masse, responded to a crisis in a measured, responsible way? It’s tempting to point to 2008, when Congress tackled a rescue package for the financial industry, but even then Republicans initially killed the legislation because, they said at the time, Nancy Pelosi hurt their feelings.

I continue to believe that when the heat is on, and people are counting on cooler heads to show wisdom and good judgment, there are some political leaders who’ve demonstrated an ability to show grace under fire – just as there’s a parallel group of leaders who have a track record of curling up in a ball and crying when the going gets tough.

Any voters wondering who’s made of sterner stuff now have their answer.
 
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