Discontinued Supreme Vaporizer
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shaolinmilk
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Have you tried keeping the bowl in while heating to a lower temperature? In the Supreme, I noticed that the lower temperatures create a pretty decent size cloud with out-of-this-world flavour. The SV3 honestly creates the most naturally tasting vapour/flavour out of anything I've tried!
ganjacyde
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The lowest I've gone is what the instructions say, so like 155c. I don't mind low temp hits, I just like to get the most out of my material...especially since I do nothing with avb, so I generally go for higher temps.
No vape has ever made me choke before. Lol. The size of the hits you can get from this is massive. I've sold my LSV. I liked it but I will never use it. Down to Supreme and Vapman now, and totally fine with that.
No vape has ever made me choke before. Lol. The size of the hits you can get from this is massive. I've sold my LSV. I liked it but I will never use it. Down to Supreme and Vapman now, and totally fine with that.
anasrzi
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Been using mine around 155c for the longest time but up'ed it now to 160c as I find it extracts that bit more so, still at 155c its still pretty potent, I too do nothing but throw away the avb so I want total and complete extraction this is where the supreme shines, top flavour too. If you haven't tried it yet do a dab in between either some cotton wool or herb, it's just amazing 
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Nothing but my Dabbie can compete now so I'm likely to sell or gift away my other vapes, nothing compares for me either, so glad many suggested the supreme over the Sublimator save me a ton on money and more importantly time, I'm not the most patient of people I want it and I want it now!
.Nothing but my Dabbie can compete now so I'm likely to sell or gift away my other vapes, nothing compares for me either, so glad many suggested the supreme over the Sublimator save me a ton on money and more importantly time, I'm not the most patient of people I want it and I want it now!
natural farmer
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I don't suppose there will be any black Friday deal with the Supreme, right? 
To all Supremers, as some of you know I got my own Supreme a few weeks back, and reported a major allergic reaction to the vapor when I used it. I was SO looking forward to owning this vaporizer, which I went for over the Hydrobrick on healh grounds, for my allergies.
It was a real shock and big disappointment when I used it and saw that it is just not tolerable for me at all. I am very, very good at figuring out what is affecting me, allergy and reaction wise, and what I need to avoid or change. In the end, when something is just plain bad for me and simply intolerable, there is no mistaking it, and no amount of will power, endurance or wishful thinking will change that.
So when I was using the Supreme, I just didnt want to accept that it was no good for me full stop. So I persevered for 6 days I think. I tried low temps, smaller hits and anyhting else that might make a difference.
The allergic reaction I was suffering just didnt make any sense at all. No other vaporizer has ever caused me any experience like that, even low temp, invisible hits. It was just really bad every time.
My throat and airways were so inflamed, with tons of mucus. 2 nighs in a row I choked so bad on mucus. This is really dangerous for me, I could easily die this way, no joke, it scares the shit out of me when it happens and I cant get any air in at all, sinuses and windpipe closed.
Aftr 6 days, I had to accept the reality that I just cannot ever consider using the Supreme again, it will likely cost me my life, the reaction is just so severe.
I just felt like such a fool for spending £200 on a vape I cant use and will struggle to sell.
I brainstormed for an explanation. It is nothing to do with the actual weed, or the temp, or even the hit size, Im sure of that.
The only possible explanation was that I am allergic to the aluminium heating block. That was the only feasible possibility.
On tuesday I visited my brilliant homeopath, who treats me for infections with homeopathy.
She uses a diagnostic tool called the "Vega Machine". It very accurately diagnoses infections in the body- where they are, what they are and more, with perfect accuracy. It is called "electro-accupuncture" and It measures frequencies in the body via the reflex points on the hands and feet. Everything has its own specific frequency, like each patnogen for example
The diagnosis is NEVER wrong, I swear on my life. It isnt perfect and wont tell you half of what God could, but if it picks something up, it will be dead on.
She also can test any substance, food, herb etc I take to see how my body reacts to it. I have tested tons of foods, supplements etc over the years. My body intution is excellent and I have a very good idea of what is good, and bad for me.
The Vega Testing has always perfectly indicated the exact extent to which different items are good, or bad for me. I have tested its accuracy with things I know are downright awful for me, and those I have no problem with at all, and greatly benefit from. In every single case, the testing accurately and reliably reflects things without fail.
So I had the appointment on Tuesday. I took the Supreme with me, she tested it, and sure as hell, it showed as a massive allergy to the actual vaporizer, i.e. the metal.
I dont mean to suggest that it is offgassing or releasing toxins. Allergies are a funny business, and there will be some mechanism whereby the hot vapor flowing throughh the block can induce ah allergic reaction, maybe on an energetic, or polarity level.
I cant explain it, but Im not at all crazy and I just want you all to believe me that I am indeed genuinely allergic to this actual vaporizer, 100%.
In hindsight, the Brick was a better option. I post now, to report this genuine information, and also to ask if anybody thinks Ed G might consider allowing me to return the Supreme to him for a refund, under the circumstances? It is in perfect nick, handled with care, little use, and kept clean as hell. Good as new basically.
I know @Vitolo knows Ed a bit better, what do you think? Im a bit nervous about emailing him in case he doesnt believe me, but he seems very reasonable and open minded, and he certainly should have the feedback no matter what.
I need to try and recover some costs. It will have cost me £100 even if he does agree, for shipping 2 ways, and customs. If I thought I could sell it within the UK for nearer to the price I paid, with cheaper shipping, that would be preferable, but I cant see it.
Im so sad that this thread cannot be my "home" after all. I was already choosing wallpaper!
And I still really appreciate all those who helped me choose the Supreme, and blame nobody except my own bad fortune in life.
It was a real shock and big disappointment when I used it and saw that it is just not tolerable for me at all. I am very, very good at figuring out what is affecting me, allergy and reaction wise, and what I need to avoid or change. In the end, when something is just plain bad for me and simply intolerable, there is no mistaking it, and no amount of will power, endurance or wishful thinking will change that.
So when I was using the Supreme, I just didnt want to accept that it was no good for me full stop. So I persevered for 6 days I think. I tried low temps, smaller hits and anyhting else that might make a difference.
The allergic reaction I was suffering just didnt make any sense at all. No other vaporizer has ever caused me any experience like that, even low temp, invisible hits. It was just really bad every time.
My throat and airways were so inflamed, with tons of mucus. 2 nighs in a row I choked so bad on mucus. This is really dangerous for me, I could easily die this way, no joke, it scares the shit out of me when it happens and I cant get any air in at all, sinuses and windpipe closed.
Aftr 6 days, I had to accept the reality that I just cannot ever consider using the Supreme again, it will likely cost me my life, the reaction is just so severe.
I just felt like such a fool for spending £200 on a vape I cant use and will struggle to sell.
I brainstormed for an explanation. It is nothing to do with the actual weed, or the temp, or even the hit size, Im sure of that.
The only possible explanation was that I am allergic to the aluminium heating block. That was the only feasible possibility.
On tuesday I visited my brilliant homeopath, who treats me for infections with homeopathy.
She uses a diagnostic tool called the "Vega Machine". It very accurately diagnoses infections in the body- where they are, what they are and more, with perfect accuracy. It is called "electro-accupuncture" and It measures frequencies in the body via the reflex points on the hands and feet. Everything has its own specific frequency, like each patnogen for example
The diagnosis is NEVER wrong, I swear on my life. It isnt perfect and wont tell you half of what God could, but if it picks something up, it will be dead on.
She also can test any substance, food, herb etc I take to see how my body reacts to it. I have tested tons of foods, supplements etc over the years. My body intution is excellent and I have a very good idea of what is good, and bad for me.
The Vega Testing has always perfectly indicated the exact extent to which different items are good, or bad for me. I have tested its accuracy with things I know are downright awful for me, and those I have no problem with at all, and greatly benefit from. In every single case, the testing accurately and reliably reflects things without fail.
So I had the appointment on Tuesday. I took the Supreme with me, she tested it, and sure as hell, it showed as a massive allergy to the actual vaporizer, i.e. the metal.
I dont mean to suggest that it is offgassing or releasing toxins. Allergies are a funny business, and there will be some mechanism whereby the hot vapor flowing throughh the block can induce ah allergic reaction, maybe on an energetic, or polarity level.
I cant explain it, but Im not at all crazy and I just want you all to believe me that I am indeed genuinely allergic to this actual vaporizer, 100%.
In hindsight, the Brick was a better option. I post now, to report this genuine information, and also to ask if anybody thinks Ed G might consider allowing me to return the Supreme to him for a refund, under the circumstances? It is in perfect nick, handled with care, little use, and kept clean as hell. Good as new basically.
I know @Vitolo knows Ed a bit better, what do you think? Im a bit nervous about emailing him in case he doesnt believe me, but he seems very reasonable and open minded, and he certainly should have the feedback no matter what.
I need to try and recover some costs. It will have cost me £100 even if he does agree, for shipping 2 ways, and customs. If I thought I could sell it within the UK for nearer to the price I paid, with cheaper shipping, that would be preferable, but I cant see it.
Im so sad that this thread cannot be my "home" after all. I was already choosing wallpaper!
And I still really appreciate all those who helped me choose the Supreme, and blame nobody except my own bad fortune in life.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
You can post it up for sale in the classifieds here
Doktor Dub
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Thanks guys. It isnt the end of the world. As soon as I accepted that it was not an option, it was such a pleasure to be able to enjoy my other vapes. I wouldnt allow myself at first while I tested the Supreme, because it would have made it so clear how bad the Supreme is in contrast. I am alive, that is what counts. And health wise a lot of things are going my way and I have a real good chance of clearing all infections from my body the first time in 12 years.
This alone should change my allergies overnight, maybe even cure them.
So my point, dont anyone feel too bad for me. Maybe I could sell it in the UK. I have never posted in the classifieds. I also have an Aromed 4.0 in perfect condition I cannot use, due to hand problems. I mean to put that in the classifieds, but have been so debilitated by chronic fatigue in recent years that anything beyond essentials is too much.
I was just concerned that if I put the Supreme up there, and it didnt go for a long while, it will be too late to ask Ed. And I would only ask him on the grounds that I genuinely cant use the vaporizer due to the material, as I think this is a perfectly legitimate reason to return something. I know if I was him I would willingly do so.
I dont really have any friends or energy to socialise, otherwise I reckon I could persuade some poor (lucky) soul to buy it!
This alone should change my allergies overnight, maybe even cure them.
So my point, dont anyone feel too bad for me. Maybe I could sell it in the UK. I have never posted in the classifieds. I also have an Aromed 4.0 in perfect condition I cannot use, due to hand problems. I mean to put that in the classifieds, but have been so debilitated by chronic fatigue in recent years that anything beyond essentials is too much.
I was just concerned that if I put the Supreme up there, and it didnt go for a long while, it will be too late to ask Ed. And I would only ask him on the grounds that I genuinely cant use the vaporizer due to the material, as I think this is a perfectly legitimate reason to return something. I know if I was him I would willingly do so.
I dont really have any friends or energy to socialise, otherwise I reckon I could persuade some poor (lucky) soul to buy it!
I was surprised you bought it in the first place. Your extreme reactions and it being touted as the "hardest hitting vaporizer on the market" spelled trouble from the beginning to me. Hope you find the right device friend!
Thanks man. It really would have been alright for me if it wasnt for the metal allergy. I was attracted to it because it produces large volumes of broad spectrum vapor at much lower temperatures than most other vapes.
The Verdamper I used to own was set constant at 200°C. It gives huge hits easily, but the vapor is very irritating and not chest friendly at all. It is actually very unpleasant to take it in at times.
The Supreme was nothing like the Verdamper. Despite my bad reaction, taking the vapor in was very easy. So smooth and cool. No unpleasant taste. The Verdamper did have, with an after taste as well.
When I emailed Ed G initially, he referred to the higher temperature vapor from other less powerful heating elements as being "more burnt and irritating".
Aluminium block allergies aside, the Supreme produces very good quality vapor, and is reknowned for its incredible smoothness. It can get folks coughing, but that is due to the sheer volume of vapor and high concentration of cannabinoids, whereby tge lung cleaning action is the trigger of the cough.
Sorry, edibles making me struggle to express my point, but I am certain it would be okay for me without the allergy. Large potent hits are what i want, and with most other vapes it takes higher temps and more burnt vapor, closer to combustion to achieve this.
And I like faster medication as well. The herborizer I use needs to be kept at 200° and it still takes so many hits at that higher temp to finish a bowl.
On paper it was actually very promising. Just bigging up the Supreme, not challenging you at all. I could wrong but I guess we'll never know.
Thanks so much to you all for not just dismissing me as paranoid or crazy. Probably the thing I love the most about this place (Fc) is how just about EVERYBODY seems so open minded and non judgemental. Big respect to everybody!
Everyone, I emailed Ed G with my feedback and explained my genuine allergic reaction to the aluminium block itself, as evidenced unmistakeably by myself, and confirmed by Vega testing.
I really hoped he would take this on board and just believe me that I havent got this wrong or imagined or exagerrated it. Here is his reply today:
"
Hello Alexis,
Sorry for the late reply it has been extremely busy here. I assure you that no part of the vaporizer was ingested by you whatsoever. Even though this vaporizer is 100% safe, due to your described experiences and sensitivities we disapprove you using this vaporizer. The metal you tested is high purity aluminum and will only vaporize at ultra high temperature starting around 4,500F or 2,480C (plus it conducts heat extremely fast). This is a very advanced hardcore vaporizer that hits much harder than any other vaporizer in the world (at any same temperature) and your respiratory system doesn't like it. I would love to break the technology down for you and explain how it hits 10x harder than any vaporizer out there but I don't have the time to write it all out tonight (if you want let me know and I will explain to you the technology that makes it unlike any other vaporizer). For strict legal reasons (and because the only part that can break is the thermometer) we only offer an exchange if the vaporizer is defective and un-used.
- Ed G."
So I am a bit disappointed that he has clearly dismissed outright that i could possibly have experienced at allergic reaction to the metal.
@natural farmer may find this of interest, I saw you started a thread on aluminium heating element safety, and proposed that for my to sufer such an allergic reaction the material would have to be offgassing, or releasing toxins.
Ed G is clearly very adamant that this can not be the case, and he seems also to be reasoning that it will not be possible to suffer an allergy without such release of toxins/particles etc.
However, with all my personal experience of allergies, I am strongly inclined to disagree with this premise.
I am not saying that the Supreme block isnt releaseing gasses or toxins, we just dont know, but I dont believe that is necesarry for anreaction to occur.
We have so much to learn about allergies. Allergies actually work on a vibrational level, as every single substance and life form has its own unique, specific frequency, or vibration.
Essentially, we are all energy, vibration, as is matter, and ultimately nothing else.
It is possible to suffer an allergy to something just by touching it, owing to a mismatch between its specific frequency and that of our own bodies'.
Alleriges can manifest in myriad ways. I believe we can even be allergic to certain people, due to our own unique vibrations, but that is a separate matter.
I see an amzing chiroprator who directly treats me for specific allergies using a system called "total body modification". It uses "muscle testing" to diagnose an allergy, by placing the item on the chest and testing the strength in the arm.
This is the common method of "applied kinesiology", whuch uses muscle testing for accurate and reliable diagnosis.
When I am allergic to an item, the arm is weak and goes down, and vice versa when not allergic. The chiropractor then treats the allergy by placing his finger over various organs and testing the muscle strength each time, until there is a "change", where the arm is strong again (it is weak still as the allergen is still placed over the chest).
When thre is a change, and the arm is strong on a certain organ point, that is the organ he must treat in order to balance the vibration of the item with my body. He does this by tapping a specific code into the relative accupressure points on the spine, related to that particular organ.
This works throuh the central nervous system. Like magic, it corrects the allergy instantly. I can walk out of there and immediately eat peanut butter for example, with no reaction.
It may recur some weeks or months later, but it truly works.
It is all to do with frequency/vibration.
I am proposing, that whether or not the alumium is releaseing gas, toxins or particles, the air passing through it is being imbued with the vibrational signature of the aluminium, and hence causing my allergic reaction.
This is the most likely and entirely plausible explanation for it in my view, and not at all far fetched, only by our limited knowledge and understanding of how the world works.
Still, I am a bit saddened that Ed can not condiser this at present, I only wanted him to believe me and I have not spoken down about his vaporizer at all, and dont intend to.
I am confident that if every other Supreme owner on this thread was Vega tested for the aluminium block, there would be no indication of an actual allergy, otherwise thee would be a reaction of some sort. I am just really lucky this way, in that I get to experience this whole world all to myself!
Thank you so much to everybody here for not seeming to doubt my report, question me or proclaim me paranoid or crazy.
I have already replied to Ed urging him to consider this view, and explained how the reaction occurs equally at very low temp weak, invisible hits, but not at high temp monster hits with other vaporizers, and therefore, his assumption does not apply that it is the Supreme's hard hitting power alone causing the problem.
I really hoped he would take this on board and just believe me that I havent got this wrong or imagined or exagerrated it. Here is his reply today:
"
Hello Alexis,
Sorry for the late reply it has been extremely busy here. I assure you that no part of the vaporizer was ingested by you whatsoever. Even though this vaporizer is 100% safe, due to your described experiences and sensitivities we disapprove you using this vaporizer. The metal you tested is high purity aluminum and will only vaporize at ultra high temperature starting around 4,500F or 2,480C (plus it conducts heat extremely fast). This is a very advanced hardcore vaporizer that hits much harder than any other vaporizer in the world (at any same temperature) and your respiratory system doesn't like it. I would love to break the technology down for you and explain how it hits 10x harder than any vaporizer out there but I don't have the time to write it all out tonight (if you want let me know and I will explain to you the technology that makes it unlike any other vaporizer). For strict legal reasons (and because the only part that can break is the thermometer) we only offer an exchange if the vaporizer is defective and un-used.
- Ed G."
So I am a bit disappointed that he has clearly dismissed outright that i could possibly have experienced at allergic reaction to the metal.
@natural farmer may find this of interest, I saw you started a thread on aluminium heating element safety, and proposed that for my to sufer such an allergic reaction the material would have to be offgassing, or releasing toxins.
Ed G is clearly very adamant that this can not be the case, and he seems also to be reasoning that it will not be possible to suffer an allergy without such release of toxins/particles etc.
However, with all my personal experience of allergies, I am strongly inclined to disagree with this premise.
I am not saying that the Supreme block isnt releaseing gasses or toxins, we just dont know, but I dont believe that is necesarry for anreaction to occur.
We have so much to learn about allergies. Allergies actually work on a vibrational level, as every single substance and life form has its own unique, specific frequency, or vibration.
Essentially, we are all energy, vibration, as is matter, and ultimately nothing else.
It is possible to suffer an allergy to something just by touching it, owing to a mismatch between its specific frequency and that of our own bodies'.
Alleriges can manifest in myriad ways. I believe we can even be allergic to certain people, due to our own unique vibrations, but that is a separate matter.
I see an amzing chiroprator who directly treats me for specific allergies using a system called "total body modification". It uses "muscle testing" to diagnose an allergy, by placing the item on the chest and testing the strength in the arm.
This is the common method of "applied kinesiology", whuch uses muscle testing for accurate and reliable diagnosis.
When I am allergic to an item, the arm is weak and goes down, and vice versa when not allergic. The chiropractor then treats the allergy by placing his finger over various organs and testing the muscle strength each time, until there is a "change", where the arm is strong again (it is weak still as the allergen is still placed over the chest).
When thre is a change, and the arm is strong on a certain organ point, that is the organ he must treat in order to balance the vibration of the item with my body. He does this by tapping a specific code into the relative accupressure points on the spine, related to that particular organ.
This works throuh the central nervous system. Like magic, it corrects the allergy instantly. I can walk out of there and immediately eat peanut butter for example, with no reaction.
It may recur some weeks or months later, but it truly works.
It is all to do with frequency/vibration.
I am proposing, that whether or not the alumium is releaseing gas, toxins or particles, the air passing through it is being imbued with the vibrational signature of the aluminium, and hence causing my allergic reaction.
This is the most likely and entirely plausible explanation for it in my view, and not at all far fetched, only by our limited knowledge and understanding of how the world works.
Still, I am a bit saddened that Ed can not condiser this at present, I only wanted him to believe me and I have not spoken down about his vaporizer at all, and dont intend to.
I am confident that if every other Supreme owner on this thread was Vega tested for the aluminium block, there would be no indication of an actual allergy, otherwise thee would be a reaction of some sort. I am just really lucky this way, in that I get to experience this whole world all to myself!
Thank you so much to everybody here for not seeming to doubt my report, question me or proclaim me paranoid or crazy.
I have already replied to Ed urging him to consider this view, and explained how the reaction occurs equally at very low temp weak, invisible hits, but not at high temp monster hits with other vaporizers, and therefore, his assumption does not apply that it is the Supreme's hard hitting power alone causing the problem.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
While I am truly sorry this device doesn't work for you, I have to point out that Vega testing is widely considered ineffective at diagnosing allergies...
As Ed explained, the possibility of you having inhaled vaporized aluminum particles from the supreme is essentially 0%. This is not something you have to believe. You can place the aluminum in a mass spec and see for yourself down to the subatomic particle level that nothing is occuring until a certain temperature.
It is much more likely you are allergic to cannabis.
As Ed explained, the possibility of you having inhaled vaporized aluminum particles from the supreme is essentially 0%. This is not something you have to believe. You can place the aluminum in a mass spec and see for yourself down to the subatomic particle level that nothing is occuring until a certain temperature.
It is much more likely you are allergic to cannabis.
biohacker
H.R.E.A.M
All that "testing" is voodoo BS IMHO. No different than the "applied kinesiology" energy armour bands that are sold to suckers at the mall. Lots of info on these snakeoil salesmen online and powerband actually was sued IIRC. I recently had this muscle testing crap used on my puppy, what a quack!
Seems like straying offtopic..... pretty sure there have been no other instances of "reaction" to the Supreme, the problem isn't the vape, just some people are more sensitive than others....must be different vibrations.
Man do I EVER regret selling my S3! Sometimes it's good to let go of those you do love, because only then do you realize how amazing it was! My vape usage has changed greatly over the past 6 months, and it's time again to vape up with the Supremes!
Seems like straying offtopic..... pretty sure there have been no other instances of "reaction" to the Supreme, the problem isn't the vape, just some people are more sensitive than others....must be different vibrations.
Man do I EVER regret selling my S3! Sometimes it's good to let go of those you do love, because only then do you realize how amazing it was! My vape usage has changed greatly over the past 6 months, and it's time again to vape up with the Supremes!
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anasrzi
Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear about your problems using the supreme @Alexis after many of us have been singing it's praises, I have no doubt you know your own body far far better than anyone else, if you say your getting a reaction of one sort or another then for me you most certainly are getting a negative response 100%.
To me eds response doesn't dismiss you off hand, more attempting to ease any uncertainty for other readers of this thread or his response, personally I have no problems with the aluminium used if it is what he says it is (no reason not to believe that either). When I first got a the supreme I did a dry run containing no herb and heated to 180c and inhaled and exhaled thru the device to blow out any bits which might have been left behind, hardly perfect I know but put my mind at ease at least a little more , not that I have been overly worried.
I wonder if your reaction is more down to potential (I say potential) off-gassing of the silicon over the aluminium? That short sleeve between the herb tube and main stem if you get the part I mean? Mine is slowly discolouring now after a few months use. Having just checked the need of this silicon sleeve so close to the end of the supreme it IS needed to keep the herb tube form falling out the end.
I do imgine that this is medical grade silicon and therefore off gassing again would be highly unlikely but perhaps Ed could confirm if you talk once more. The very end of the herb tube after heating does get very hot and technically creates a air seal for me and my water bong, therefore it's not directly in the airpath however it's mighty close and physically touching the herb tube.
To me eds response doesn't dismiss you off hand, more attempting to ease any uncertainty for other readers of this thread or his response, personally I have no problems with the aluminium used if it is what he says it is (no reason not to believe that either). When I first got a the supreme I did a dry run containing no herb and heated to 180c and inhaled and exhaled thru the device to blow out any bits which might have been left behind, hardly perfect I know but put my mind at ease at least a little more , not that I have been overly worried.
I wonder if your reaction is more down to potential (I say potential) off-gassing of the silicon over the aluminium? That short sleeve between the herb tube and main stem if you get the part I mean? Mine is slowly discolouring now after a few months use. Having just checked the need of this silicon sleeve so close to the end of the supreme it IS needed to keep the herb tube form falling out the end.
I do imgine that this is medical grade silicon and therefore off gassing again would be highly unlikely but perhaps Ed could confirm if you talk once more. The very end of the herb tube after heating does get very hot and technically creates a air seal for me and my water bong, therefore it's not directly in the airpath however it's mighty close and physically touching the herb tube.
With repesct, both ypurself and @biohacker have clearly no first hand experiance or knowledge of this field or subject.
Vega testing is in fact very accurate. All over Germany it us used in hospitals and doctor surgeries, and dentists. It is not disputed in the mainstream at all. It is primarily the corruot and dishonest medical establishment thatbhas demonised it and declared it innaccurate, as they do with virtually everything alternative that is very safe and effective which posoes a threat to their control over how we treat ourselves. They make sure where they can that people are unable to find cures, they want people on medicines indefinitely.
Clearly not evrybody on this forum is as open minded as i thouht, and some are still trapped in the dark ages and conditioned by mainstream propaganda bullshit when it comes to health and alternative medicine.
Most Dutch GP's actually strongly recommend the Vega machine. It is not quackery at all, just another amazing altrnative avenue that has been attacked and suppressed by Big Pharma. You MUST know that this is the nature of the world. I cant speak highly enouh of Vega testing, if you skeptics had had a fraction of my experience you would surely see othetwise but you have experience or knowledge at all here, and have just blught the lies sold by the medical establishment, originating from the very same elite group who contribed to manke cannabis illegal.
And yes, I am allergic to cannabis. I make no secret about that, but I have very clearly explained how the reactiin to the Supreme is something else altogether. It it is just the cannabis I am reacting to, and as has been propose the reaction is worse due to the heavy hitting power of the Supreme, then at very low temp weak hits this should be negated.
For sure there are a lot of conmen out there, and muscle testing is somehting which can be done incorrectly. With dogs it will surely be more hit and miss also. But my reference to muscle testing need not even have any bearing on the substance of what I am reoprting, that was just my attempt to explain how such an allergic reaction to the metal could occur, via vibration, witthout the need for offgassing or particle release.
I would urge you @biohacker not to mock what you clearly dont understand.
I have never actually said I believed the aluminium is offgassing, I just said, with an ooen mind, that we cant rule it out.
Thank you very much @anasrzi for demomstrating a very open minded approach to my report, and for your words of support, and suggestions. I have used silicone with other vapes in the form of hoses and never suffered a reaction, above my usual standard reaction to the weed itself. But thankful for the suggestion and for being openly considerate to what I have reported.
What really kills me in this world is the injustice of the infirmation we are fed by the government through its various bodies and instittutions. It is this that is responsible for such narrow minded skepticism. I long in my heart for the day when the truth will emerge on these matters, I dont believe it will actually be that far away, but there is much battle yet in the war of information waged by the establishment who endeavour to suppress truth, create sickness, and prevent healing.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
If being open minded means I have to believe in everything presented to me without adequate data to back it up, then no, I am not.
All you are positing is that if we don't agree with you, we are obviously sheep. Correct?
Shoot up some data about the Vega Machine. I'll take a look. Lets vet it out yeah?
Also, why would lower temps negate the effect? It is the design of the vaporizer to pass a large volume of vaporizable air in a short time over the material. So if you are within vaporizing range of any kind, you will get a lot more than most other vaporizers out there. I think you need to re-examine the fact that you admittedly have an allergy to cannabis and whether or not using it is worth the reaction. Don't blame the device first.
All you are positing is that if we don't agree with you, we are obviously sheep. Correct?
Shoot up some data about the Vega Machine. I'll take a look. Lets vet it out yeah?
Also, why would lower temps negate the effect? It is the design of the vaporizer to pass a large volume of vaporizable air in a short time over the material. So if you are within vaporizing range of any kind, you will get a lot more than most other vaporizers out there. I think you need to re-examine the fact that you admittedly have an allergy to cannabis and whether or not using it is worth the reaction. Don't blame the device first.
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
@Alexis ,
I am sympathetic to your problem . It's too bad that the supreme Supreme does not work for you with your hyper-sensitivity to aluminum or whatever is causing the issue (heavier extraction from the herbs EVEN at low temps?)
With that said, I also support Ed's position that he cannot take it back/refund you as it has been used.
It's not like he is selling a faulty product---you may be the first user that has this issue???
You bought it, you used it, and unfortunately it is not a good match for your health situation.
It would seem like a sales ad in our classifieds may be the best solution there is as you move on???
I am sympathetic to your problem . It's too bad that the supreme Supreme does not work for you with your hyper-sensitivity to aluminum or whatever is causing the issue (heavier extraction from the herbs EVEN at low temps?)
With that said, I also support Ed's position that he cannot take it back/refund you as it has been used.
It's not like he is selling a faulty product---you may be the first user that has this issue???
You bought it, you used it, and unfortunately it is not a good match for your health situation.
It would seem like a sales ad in our classifieds may be the best solution there is as you move on???
natural farmer
Well-Known Member
While I agree with the whole vibrational theory (a very good example is how water reacts to different vibrations and we are mostly water after all...), I can't rule out what Ed is saying about the way the Supreme works. The way it heats every molecule of air is something that instantly sets it apart from any other vaporizer in the world. And how this vapor is dealt with by the body may well vary a great deal from person to person. Especially by someone with @Alexis' weak immune system.
So, I think after all we should close this matter and beg Ed to describe to us the whole story of how this vape is so much greater than anything else in the market!
I am sure @Alexis will find a nice tool eventually to care for his needs, it has taken 5 years for me and I am still not exactly there yet, but closing in!
So, I think after all we should close this matter and beg Ed to describe to us the whole story of how this vape is so much greater than anything else in the market!
I am sure @Alexis will find a nice tool eventually to care for his needs, it has taken 5 years for me and I am still not exactly there yet, but closing in!
You make fair points. I am actually sorry for seeming a little riled (understatement). It really isnt personal it just kills me that we even need to have this discussion on Vega testing.
If you had, for example, a tumor in your right hip, and a bacterial infection in your left ear, and a dozen other ailments that have been confirmed 100% by trysted maninstream diagnosis, and then you were Vega tested, you would be amazed at the uncanny accuracy to pick everything up and more without you saying word. You would have explanation to very specific problems ailments that is impossible to be coincidence, and which always responds to treatment, aamd is evidenced by alleviation or symptoms, and reflected with 100% matching rlevance every time in respect to what you experience in your body.
Essentially this is how I know Vega testing is accurate. I have been very unwell for a long time and have had a weakened immune system and have had many dozens of major infections. I am very in tune with my body as my symptoms are so severe due to my allergies.
I know for sure when there is infection in my sinuses, lungs, bladder etc. It is unmistakeable.
I developed bladder infections in 2012. I have cleared individual infections from there many times but a weakness has allowed new ones to slip in. Prior to 2012, I never had any symptoms of urine infection, and it was never identified with Vega testinh. From this time the problems began (constant, urgent urination, difficult to pass, and a horrible dead fish like odor which washes off genitals each day but returns aftr urinating) Vega testing has consistently pocked up the infections, which is always a perfect mirror of the exact location, pattern, and severity of the symptoms.
There is no other explanation for these urinary symptoms than infection, my doctor even agrees, but the mainstream hospital tests were negative, so they insist to me "we havent foujd anyhting, so thee isnt anything", while they use that basis to insisit the Vega diagnosis is innaccurate, when it makes solid perfect sense in EVERY circumstance.
There are millions of people with chronic infections causing all sorts of problems, which are not picked up by mainstream testing, leaving them with no answers and no hope, except prescriotion meds to suppress symptoms.
If they were Vega tested they would have immediate, valid and always 100 % relevant answers to lifelong problems.
This is just a snippet of my experience. I know this will not convince anybody Im not really trying to take up that battle. It is something that needs seeing to be believed. There wil, surely be plenty of material on Vega testing, but there is an equal amount of propaganda and counter material as it is such a threat to Big Pharma.
I am sorry for showing disrespect. I felt some of you were very narrow minded in your responses and judgements.
Regarding the Supreme allergy, I have tested the Vega machine many times with supplements and foods I have a serious bad reaction to, and those that I tolerate perfectly well.
It has always been spot on reflecting this, no mistake. If I test bleach, it will be off the scale how bad it is for me, and if I test a food or supplement I get on really well with, again, a perfect reflection.
We tested the Supreme and a very bad reaction showed up. You have no reason to doubt this report without knowing more. For the life of me, I just cannot believe it is the way the vapor is produced by the machanism, that is causing the reaction. I am the one woth 12 years of allergy experience, and 18 years of vaporizer experience, so I can be pretty sure of my conclusions that there is no way this is just a reaction to the cannabis or the nature of the vapor.
Im sorry I dont mean to upset anybody, I hope you can understand how frustrating these difficult experiences are, and how it could be upsetting, if I am right, to be met with such disbelief, and I dont actually blame anybody but the corrupt establishment who create this situation for their own gain and control.
Just a few quick points, @seaofgreens , I really am sorry for the way I addressed you, you were not at all unreasonable, Im just very emotionally sensitive and passionate about this topic. I dont just believe, but I KNOW the Vega testing is completely accurate and reliable, and I also know that it is down to the treachery and lies of the drug companies that this not been proven to the world at large.
And you are right, I certainly shouldnt use cannabis, I am allergic to it. But I react adversely to most things. I caj only drink 2 types of herbal tea, and plain water. Nothing esle I have tried to date. And a very restricted diet. I am too debilitated by allergies and fatigue to have any sort of life or keep friendships, I can rarely go out even.
If you take my weed away then I just get suicidally depressed, so it is the lesser evil to try and live with the allergy.
Thank you also to @natural farmer for your constructive suggestions. I am only attempting to explain my adverse reaction, and going with my gut, what seems most likely plausible, based on my own body intuition and experience, and other information. I am vry open minded, but Im sure it doesnt come acriss that way in these posts today. I will consider all viewpoints, but still for the life of me I cannot believe that it is not a reaction to the metal, by whatever mechanism.
Is it really so implausible anyway? That I can have a vry unique allergy to the metal block, which doesnt need to involve offgassing or particle release? It really doesnt seem so implausible to me. (This isnt addressed to you personally Elias, just a general point.)
And thank you @MinnBobber for your input. I am not meaning to be down on Ed actually. I have no issue with him not being able to accept it back. Its just some disappointment that he appeared closed to the concept, and possiblity that a reaction to the aluminium could be occuring, when there is so much we dont know about the world. That is all.
And you are right, I certainly shouldnt use cannabis, I am allergic to it. But I react adversely to most things. I caj only drink 2 types of herbal tea, and plain water. Nothing esle I have tried to date. And a very restricted diet. I am too debilitated by allergies and fatigue to have any sort of life or keep friendships, I can rarely go out even.
If you take my weed away then I just get suicidally depressed, so it is the lesser evil to try and live with the allergy.
Thank you also to @natural farmer for your constructive suggestions. I am only attempting to explain my adverse reaction, and going with my gut, what seems most likely plausible, based on my own body intuition and experience, and other information. I am vry open minded, but Im sure it doesnt come acriss that way in these posts today. I will consider all viewpoints, but still for the life of me I cannot believe that it is not a reaction to the metal, by whatever mechanism.
Is it really so implausible anyway? That I can have a vry unique allergy to the metal block, which doesnt need to involve offgassing or particle release? It really doesnt seem so implausible to me. (This isnt addressed to you personally Elias, just a general point.)
And thank you @MinnBobber for your input. I am not meaning to be down on Ed actually. I have no issue with him not being able to accept it back. Its just some disappointment that he appeared closed to the concept, and possiblity that a reaction to the aluminium could be occuring, when there is so much we dont know about the world. That is all.
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
It would be interesting if you could try a Volcano, which also uses an aluminum heating block (I think?). I wonder if your reaction would be the same? I realize your situation probably doesn't allow for that based on your posts, just wondering about it......
anasrzi
Well-Known Member
On it too later on @justvapin got some nice freeze cheese set to toast off, hits like a train don't it
