Discontinued Supreme Vaporizer

[BadDog No]

Not a big fan of butane, but you guys almost have me convinced. What luck do you think I would have using a high end Steinel 1500 watt digital heat gun instead? I'm currently using it as the heat source for a "poor man's Volcano". It will run all the way up to 1150 F. so plenty of adjustable power. Oh and even if you don't have any information, lie to me... I really really want one.

 

[sam urai]

What I appreciate about the Supreme:
- Taking small buds from four strains and creating my own hybrids in one stem.
- Being able to control the temperature without guessing, allows for repeatable performance.
- It satisfies the herb chef / connoisseur mentality.
- Ed's almost inattentive approach is funny. Living a double life perhaps?
- It's deceptively simple appearance lowers first-time users expectations.

 

[shaolinmilk]

The punch on this is like no other. My EVO's vapour is definitely cooler, and taste can be subjective... however one thing is for certain, the Supreme V3 will bring you to levels where the EVO can't IMO. My Stick Brick should be here today. Hopefully this lives up to my expectation!

 

[pandaphysics]

Just got one of these and I totally love it. Great piece, super powerful. The only thing I'm not digging is repacking the bowl. It seems like I have to wait forever for the bowl to cool down enough for me to get it out. I wish there was someway I could take it out right away.

 

[HellsWindStaff]

The punch on this is like no other. My EVO's vapour is definitely cooler, and taste can be subjective... however one thing is for certain, the Supreme V3 will bring you to levels where the EVO can't IMO. My Stick Brick should be here today. Hopefully this lives up to my expectation!

I am especially curious to a comparison from you between it and the Brick. Just ordered a brick this morning, opted for it over the S3 because I tend to use my EVO through water and my dogs often enough through water and wanted something a bit more unique for the collection.

 

[sam urai]

@pandaphysics - Grab the rubber seal as it doesn't hold heat and pull out bowl onto a dish to cool.

@shaolinmilk - Enjoy the comparing process and please report back!

 

[subway13029]

The brick is nice because you can just grab that thing and take as big of a rip as you want INSTANTLY..the supremes takes a Hal minute to minute and I only have to hear a load once and I can just rip it til it's done..huge whitewall bong rips..I use the brick dry and it is huge smooth tasty hits..two diff animals but both very nice..

 

[justvapin]

Woo hoo......got my shipping confirmation today!!

 

[nosmoking]

Not a big fan of butane, but you guys almost have me convinced. What luck do you think I would have using a high end Steinel 1500 watt digital heat gun instead? I'm currently using it as the heat source for a "poor man's Volcano". It will run all the way up to 1150 F. so plenty of adjustable power. Oh and even if you don't have any information, lie to me... I really really want one.

I often think about how to engineer the electric Supreme. I so want an electric portable Supreme V3. I like your thinking. I tried heating with a set of hair straighteners, honest I was not trying to press reclaim rosin from my Supreme! It heated it very slowly because the straighteners only get to about 380 or so which isn't hot enough. You need something much hotter that can be pulled away once the Supreme gets to temp. I would think the heat gun would work but it might take a little time. I think we should have some heat guns at my shop but I don't think I will be going back by my shop until Monday or Tuesday. Hopefully I remember to check because this sounds like a fun experiment!

 

[Grizzly_Adams]

ok my idea about a electric supreme is a coil around it like a enail. not the prettiest and most compact solution but it would work!

 

[lazylathe]

ok my idea about a electric supreme is a coil around it like a enail. not the prettiest and most compact solution but it would work!

I had that idea but you would need a custom made rectangular coil...

 

[Mister G]

There's a rendering of Ed's electric version design somewhere back in this thread, I think Vitolo posted it.

 

[Stu]

I had that idea but you would need a custom made rectangular coil...

Maybe not. I only heat one spot block with my torch and the heat migrates quite rapidly via conduction. So in theory you could just have a platform-like heat source that you could just set it on. I wonder if it would work on a hotplate? brb....

Edit: It works. It took several minutes, but I finally managed to get it up to vaporization temps.

I quickly realized that the LCD readout on the SV3 was useless to me as it's close proximity to the hotplate made the entire readout black from the radiant heat. Thankfully I have a separate thermometer with a thermocouple, so I could still monitor the temperature.

With a decent design (nothing like the janky setup below) I think some sort of flat cradle might actually work.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Very cool @Stu

I wouldn't want to ruin my thermometer but otherwise tempted to try for fun

 

[lazylathe]

Maybe not.

Edit: It works. It took several minutes, but I finally managed to get it up to vaporization temps.

My idea is to make it as fast as possible by using an electric heater that will contact more of the heat exchanger leading to a faster heat up time and the ability to maintain the set heat throughout an entire session and longer.
I do not count a hot plate as a step forward since it destroyed the temp readout and took several minutes to heat up and it starts to cool as soon as it is removed from the heat source.
Different approaches I think:
You are looking at various ways to heat it without butane.
I am looking at specifically a surround heater that will maintain the set temp all the time, just as if it is a large E-Nail.

Great experiment though!!

 

[nosmoking]

My idea is to make it as fast as possible by using an electric heater that will contact more of the heat exchanger leading to a faster heat up time and the ability to maintain the set heat throughout an entire session and longer.
I do not count a hot plate as a step forward since it destroyed the temp readout and took several minutes to heat up and it starts to cool as soon as it is removed from the heat source.
Different approaches I think:
You are looking at various ways to heat it without butane.
I am looking at specifically a surround heater that will maintain the set temp all the time, just as if it is a large E-Nail.

Great experiment though!!

Exactly my thoughts here and what has been going through my mind. The problem is the maintaining of the set temp. This won't work with the supreme. The supreme design does not rely on a low temp heater. As mentioned before I tried hair straighteners, so two hot plates at 380 on two sides of the Supreme. The problem was not getting up to temp although it does take much longer. The problem is that with this low heat setup the Supreme temp would drop immediately upon hitting and would take too long to get back to temp.

I think something more on demand style heating would be better. You need to be able to heat the Supreme fast to get it to temp, then let off the button and add heat only as needed. I have heated the Supreme whilst hitting and it takes a lot of heat to get the temp to hold or even start rising. High heat with a control is gonna be key for a longer Supreme session.

 

[Stu]

I wouldn't want to ruin my thermometer but otherwise tempted to try for fun

FWIW it didn't ruin the thermometer, it just temporarily renders the lcd readout useless. The screen is fine again after cooling off a bit.

I agree that a design that heats from all sides would be much more efficient and would heat up much faster. I just wanted to test the proof of concept of the hotplate setup.

 

[GTAVaper]

A docking piece comprised of a steel shroud (5-sided enclosure/open ended box), basically a sleeve that slips onto the back of and around the Supreme heater at its back end that is furthest from the thermometer (so not exposed to radiant heat that might affect the readout) which is heated through electrical induction and also connected by electrical cord to an external powering unit that utilizes a control knob (perhaps that can be locked to a chosen position) with which to control the heat level.

The heater sleeve can then be heated up by an external coil wrapping around the sleeve through induction heating and then transfer this heat to the aluminum Supreme heater block through conduction and then allow the block to extract via convection (as per usual operation)

The external shroud can either act as a dock and the Supreme pulled in and out of to use on demand once the heat has stabilized - so it is wire free - or be left on when used at a vape station so that the heat remains at an exact temp and doesn't drop during use.

Another alternative.....which would make the Supreme block much heavier - is to construct it out of material that can be heated with induction and then wrap the outside of the block with coils and then have an external heat shield to protect the coils and surround the entire inner Supreme heater core.

Problem solved ......now please, someone else do the "easy" part and go build one

We can talk royalties for the idea later


P.S. But a final finished production unit sent my way sure would be a nice gesture


Later Edit:

After some more creative juices have flowed
.....and as a logical extension of @Stu's hotplate experiment

Perhaps a proof of concept......

(or even a permanent solution for the OG Supreme V3 - if an induction hot plate can be easily dialed to a specific temperature - rather than just low/med/hi macro-level adjustments - I don't know since I don't own one and haven't research them yet)

......could be more easily fashioned just by constructing a cap for the existing Supreme that covers the two large sides and the back - basically a u shaped piece of thin steel sheet clipped around the existing heater that is made of conducting sheet metal.

This can then be rested directly on an induction hot plate and only the heat conducting steel plate affected by the induction hot plate would get hot and heat up the Supreme V3 heater block thereby keeping the rest of the Supreme (and the thermometer screen) cool and the induction hot plate can be left out on the table/vape station area with no fear of being a burn hazard.

An alternative handle arrangement can then be constructed so that the Supreme block can be be set down easily on the induction plate. This might be made as simply as by turning the existing heater block 90 degrees to its current orientation and then using a 4-sided sleeve (made up of induction friendly stainless steel) with one of the larger faced sides of the sleeve (or thinner side of the 4-sided sleeve if the Supreme heater block is left in its original orientation) extending past the bottom of the heater block in a strip of the sleeve metal that should extend for about the length of the bowl/tube - so that the Supreme can be set down onto the induction hot plate without toppling over.

This way you can just sit it on top of the plate and dial up the induction hot plate to heat the modified Supreme V3 to your desired temperature and then just pick it up to use for your bong hit by sitting it at the end of a glass bubbler with that dual 14mm/19mm grommet setup at the end so you can just seal it temporarily to the bubbler and then easily lift it away at the end of the hit.

Pick up the heated Supreme from the cool induction plate, milk your bubbler chamber and then simply set back down on the induction hotplate to come back to temperature until you are ready for your next hit.

Simple, at least in theory eh?

This setup would do away with the noisy and slower heating torch completely and you would always have a hot Supreme at your desired temperature ready to go very quickly since induction heat is almost instant. There would be only a relatively short lag for the inductively heated steel shell around the current Supreme heater block to heat the block through conduction.

It would be very easy for the inventor Ed to construct these steel heater shells/stands and include them with the Supreme V3 as an optional induction heating accessory for very little additional cost on his end since he already obviously has all the equipment to shape/bend and weld steel sheet. The appropriate induction friendly and hopefully stainless steel sheet metal would just have to be sourced.

This might be the simplest and best solution to solve the problem and easily turn your existing Supreme V3 into an "electric" version .......just through an additional purchase of a nice glass topped induction hot plate that you can also use to cook up some nice crispy bacon and a few eggs when you inevitably get the munchies ......lol

This can also give new meaning to the term "Wake & Bake" ......make your breakfast and get a Supreme lift off at the same time

Since I don't have a good space/lab to experiment with this idea - I will leave it to others to try to dial this idea in......unless no one is interested and I have to get off my lazy ass to do it myself.

Perhaps someone in contact with Ed might suggest some experimentation along these lines?
After all it can only make an already awesome product just that much more "awesomer"

Just picture it in your mind for a second......a torch-less Supreme where all you have to do is sit it on a cool to the touch induction hot plate between hits.

Since I don't own an induction hot plate I am uncertain how easily they can be fine tuned to a specific temperature.......which if they can't.....could be the "fatal flaw" to this otherwise simple solution that would make this the hands down best "plug-in" vape on the market - that is actually completely wireless when in use.

Thoughts anyone?




Even Later Edit:

I did a little Googling and found that the cheaper induction plates probably wouldn't have the fine temperature control to work in the desired manner. However, I did find this gem that might work very well indeed - along with a bluetooth controlled temperature probe that communicates with the hot plate and which can magnetically connect to the outside of the Supreme's induction heating accessory

http://paragoninduction.com/
$300 USD

(Damn .....No International Shipping!)

I also just noticed that the Sensor Band Operating temp range is 80° F to 375° F (cooktop reaches 500° F) - so perhaps this is not the solution since the desired temperature range for vaping would extend from around 320F (160C) to 420F (215C).

Also, since the desired temperatures are near the top of the temperature range then perhaps a cheaper model induction hotplate set at max where you would just have to keep an eye on the rising temperature and pull it off of the hotplate when the integrated thermometer tells you that you are at the right temperature might be the simpler solution.

Just replace on the induction hotplate after each hit to bring back to and maintain your ideal temperature.

 

[Mister G]

 

[Matt73]

Since some days I am trying a DIY electrical version.
For heating I use 4 of these 35 Watt ceramic heating elements
www.aliexpress.com/item/4PCS-3-8mmX60mm-220V-35W-Heater-Ceramic-Core-Heating-Element-for-Soldering-Iron/32638840142.html

Around the Supreme block and heaters I wrapped some layers of kitchen aluminium foil.


Then I fixed everything with mica insulation and a clamp.
The mica is taken from a microwave but it is not very suitable for this kind of application. In fact you can use the vaporizer without insulation as well.


With mica the heat up time is:
2:00 minutes = 125°C
2:30 minutes = 153°C
2:50 minutes = 170°C
Without insulation it is only a little bit more slowly. Usually I clear a bowl in 3 hits, after the second hit I switch the heaters of. The temperature will climb to about 190°C.

Only 1 of the heating elements can also get the Supreme up to 200°C but it takes ages and the time from a low temp to a high temp draw is too long.

The ceramic heaters get only hot on the upper half, so the outside part is not so hot.
The electrical cables are still not insulated. Later they should be soldered and protected by a PTFE heat shrink tube.
There is also a electrical grounding missing.
With the cable the Supreme is more prone to fall down, a different standing would be nice.
Right now I just use a simple on/off switch which does a good job. A 300 W dimmer is on the way from China.

Additional I have ordered 50 Watt heaters to see if I can speed up the heating. In 3-4 weeks they should arrive
www.aliexpress.com/item/50W-Soldering-Iron-Heater-Suitable-Internal-Heating-Type-for-ESI-150-50W/32648920464.html

This heater looks also very promising, but I didn't order it. Remember, aluminium has a melting temperature from 660°C.
www.aliexpress.com/item/24V-600C-MCH-Metal-Ceramic-Heater-Plate-Heating-Element-35mm-x-20mm-x-1-2mm/32688099651.html

 

[subway13029]

Very nice diy but with full torch i can heat in 30 seconds..just seems like way too much work and effort and money but who am i to say what domeone can do with their money and time...just not for me..i love my off the grid torch use..

 

[justvapin]

Mine should be here today.......gonna be a fun night......

 

[justvapin]

Oh holy fuck. Not sure what I can say that hasn't been said about this vape previously in this thread, but holy fuck.........

 

[subway13029]

Oh holy fuck. Not sure what I can say that hasn't been said about this vape previously in this thread, but holy fuck.........

That was good start!

 

[GTAVaper]

The Supreme has now taken the top spot in my vape lineup as my favorite with respect to performance and the one I'd miss most if it ever got lost.

My experience with it has even led me to consider another torch vape (Daisy/Sticky Brick) which would never have happened without my exposure to the Supreme first.

This VAS is definitely a real thing.....but after this I think that I will be taking a break....at least until the next big thing arrives on the scene.

I think that I will look into getting an induction hot plate and experiment with it.... if nothing comes of it then at least I will have a nifty kitchen gadget....and if it works then I will have an "always ready" Supreme that can be loaded up and hit on demand for a short session whenever I feel like it