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Tomorrow I will make some!Here is what success looks like guys!
A lot!
Some secrets to good Qwiso
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A lot!
herbivore21
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Looking forward to seeing it brother!
Hope all is well for you my friend!
killick
But I like it!
@herbivore21 are you using one of those silicone pad/screen things in the pic? I'm viewing on my phone and can't quite make it out.
herbivore21
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Yes indeed, if you mean the oil slick pad/oil slick stack (container).
Oil slicks should be a mainstay of your oil arsenal.
However, I do not ever purge solvents on oil slicks! I only use it as a surface to prepare my dabs on
herbivore21
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Not a problem brother
Glad to see new people joining in on the non-butane extraction fun! I started the same trip early last year and as you can see from my pictures, hard work pays off!
killick
But I like it!
I'm starting to learn from scratch. I did high school chem before glass was invented.Not a problem brother
I started the same trip early last year and as you can see from my pictures, hard work pays off!
BabyFacedFinster
Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
Man, I stalled out over here. In my situation, I had to purge out the ISO in a cold, cold barn. I covered the ceramic casserole dish that the QWISO was in with some cheesecloth to keep dust out. It has evaporated the iso but there must have been some water left behind from the 91% ISO. There are some frosty looking patches in the plate. I need to bring it in the house and warm it up a bit to evap out that water.
I just haven't been able to get out there and deal with all that shit right now, so the plate sits in sub-zero temps and I can't scrap it out to see what I got.
Oh, and I'm vaped right now, sorry
I just haven't been able to get out there and deal with all that shit right now, so the plate sits in sub-zero temps and I can't scrap it out to see what I got.
Oh, and I'm vaped right now, sorry
Ifeejulah Vapor
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Idk why im so nervous to try QWISO...i dint wanna mess it up!
I have 35 grams of ABV laying around...if I decide to give it a go and do it correctly you think ill get a nice amount of dabs???
When pirged cprrectly how does dabbing QWISO effect your lungs compared to vaping I wonder
Learned alot from this thread i think im gunna dive in and give it a shot soon
I have 35 grams of ABV laying around...if I decide to give it a go and do it correctly you think ill get a nice amount of dabs???
When pirged cprrectly how does dabbing QWISO effect your lungs compared to vaping I wonder
Learned alot from this thread i think im gunna dive in and give it a shot soon
Ifeejulah Vapor
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5 grams abv was enough for a trial run? Thanks!My first run was with ~5 g abv. No point in starting to big when you are just starting out. Or 'go big or go home' also works
I found out to be a bit of fun. Going to try some of my last batch in some pacman pen I found a few days ago.
killick
But I like it!
So over the hols I picked up a 'vapeape' limited edition PacMan oil pen. I opened the box today and tried my small trial run of abv and fresh herb. It tastes decidedly of campfire, which I attribute to either the ABV, or the fact that I mixed it with some dry herb as I didn't anticipate picking up an oil device... So - it tastes campfire-y, but it works nicely! The effects are very quick, and it's fun watching the globe fill so full of thick vapour! Looking forward to trying a batch of fresh buds, as soon as our company leaves...
Admins - I can't seem to edit my last post, but I did look for the button
Admins - I can't seem to edit my last post, but I did look for the button
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
You get a 6 hour grace period after posting to edit IIRC. And yes the campfire taste is from the ABV. Herb being dry won't contribute to the ABV taste, but being vaporized does.So over the hols I picked up a 'vapeape' limited edition PacMan oil pen. I opened the box today and tried my small trial run of abv and fresh herb. It tastes decidedly of campfire, which I attribute to either the ABV, or the fact that I mixed it with some dry herb as I didn't anticipate picking up an oil device... So - it tastes campfire-y, but it works nicely! The effects are very quick, and it's fun watching the globe fill so full of thick vapour! Looking forward to trying a batch of fresh buds, as soon as our company leaves...
Admins - I can't seem to edit my last post, but I did look for the button
spoutti
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I noticed I get even less lung irritation binging on well purged qwet than lots of flowers. I guess it should be the same with qwiso.
My first QWISO attempt, I could have sworn I was God himself; I started with 7 grams of Train-Wreck,
and to my then un-trained(in hash) eyes, I could have sworn I turned it into cocaine!
When I scraped up my results, I got this white powder, that flaked back like "fish scale." Sketchy.
Come to find out, water, cause your oil to get that white to it, and then, when it does get out, your left with that white powder...odd.
When I would hold a lighter to this stuff, while inhaling (like how it's packed in that bowl) it would melt, and look identical to hash oil.
Old post but have to say that this guy talk pure shit.
First post on the forum and this is the best you could do?
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herbivore21
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As Stu said, it pays to be friendly (also thems the rules!), but onto the facts:
ISO is very flammable, this is true. Obviously those Americans using 91% iso have a less flammable solvent than those of us using 100% or 99%. This is why I have told people time and time again that gas stoves/hot elements are out of the question. I in fact steer most away from the use of heat at all for safety reasons. Still, ISO and butane will require a source of ignition to combust. This is because their autoignition points are both around 400c or higher. This means that unless you evaporating your vapors into a vessel/room that hot (believe me, you aren't standing in a room that hot lol), you aren't gonna get spontaneous combustion of your butane or ISO.
You need a source of ignition to cause that reaction at reasonable temps. Remember though that the very low absolute pressures which vac chambers often are used at will also bring down the autoignition point of the solvent being purged. You need to be mindful of this and ensure that you understand the boiling point you are working with at the pressure you are working at in a chamber/vac oven. DO NOT USE A VAC WITHOUT A TESTED AND RELIABLE GAUGE - this is a bad kind of gambling which at best could find you using the wrong pressure and losing actives, or at worst could see you causing more dangerous reactions inside the vessel!
However ventilation is a major issue here for those ISO purgers without a vac. If you are purging butane, you can't be indoors. I just won't abide it or even enter into discussion of doing such a thing. With ISO, you can do this indoors - however, you need EXCELLENT ventilation. Huge windows, as many extraction fans as possible etc. ISO vapors are not safe to breathe in, this is true. This is why those vapors need not to be hanging around in your house. Purge iso in a room where others will not be. No pets either, I will reach through the computer and smite you myself if I here any of you have subjected your pets or other animals to such fumes!
Keep all sources of ignition, cell phones, lighters, enails, torches and traditional nails (don't dab in the same room as you purge, doh!) and anything else you can fathom creating a spark right away from your purging product. Separate rooms! Safety is crucial.
Also don't hover over the purging product - you will breathe that shit in! Find somewhere on the other side of a fan blowing air away from you to sit that is far enough from the purge setup. On the topic of fans, if you find you need to set up your own for ventilation - DO NOT SET UP FANS THAT ARE SUCKING ISO VAPORS THROUGH THE BLADES AND BLOWING THEM OUT THE OTHER END! Many household fans spin on a motor whose components can be a source of ignition - this setup sends the flammable vapors straight though this powderkeg!
Still, butane is definitely more dangerous during the process of making oil. The only worries with ISO are related to ignition or breathing in the purging vapors. For butane, the nature of standard open blasting practices bring up some other issues. You can freeze burn yourself while blasting into a glass/metal vessel. You can break the glass tube you're blasting into mid process, the initial bulk of the butane evaporates very quickly and if this is indoors, will be much quicker in filling the air in a given room/vessel with flammable vapors than ISO will (lower boiling point of butane, which is actually beneficial for purging is also unhelpful in this case). Remember that the volume of flammable vapor in the air at a given moment will greatly influence the likelihood of said vapors finding a source of ignition. It's a numbers game after all!
Finally, as I always say, when it comes to residual solvent - ISO is worse than butane for sure. If you are dabbing oils with residual ISO in them, don't. If you can't fully purge that ISO out, with no trace of ISO smell or taste - then don't use ISO. Get your head around vacuum purging, or use ethanol which is much safer than butane/ISO. By the same tokin (mispelt pun intended) if you are dabbing oils with residual butane in them (listen for the sizzle and in extreme cases of residual, look for the smokeworks; imagine bits of vapor/smoke that fly off your nail when you dab looking like fireworks), chances are you don't have a vac. If this is the case, give up on butane or get a good vac and learn how to use it. Dabbing residual butane is not as bad as ISO (thermal decomposition of ISO leaves a number of byproducts, predominately acetone, which you don't really wanna be inhaling), but it is still by no means healthy and by no means should these oils be regarded as medicine IMO!
Ok, long winded post but I hope this helps everyone understand a few of the finer points of solvent safety in purging.
smokum
I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
Well said... and I want to add a reminder to be mindful of the relative humidity in your area/work-area, and take precautions by using proper grounding during your processing and especially when your purging.
Proper grounding is essential when using butane at any time ! and even more so when humidity is down (winter) and you chance a static spark from either your body, a sweater, a jacket, socks, etc.
When I process and purge, I will stand on a well grounded aluminum grounding plate (outside I have a grounding rod to bolt a lead to, inside I have a bolt through my electric stove chassis framework to clamp my lead to), with a lead to my dominant wrist, as well as wear appropriate clothing (no sweaters/jackets/fluffy socks lol), and neoprene disposable gloves. Because of my my location.. I DO NOT USE BUTANE DURING WINTER MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE DRY AIR STATIC SPARKS.
I've fucked around with 'backyard' extractions for decades, and I can't believe that I was SO LUCKY to not have had a catastrophe with the sloppy hexane and ether ones I had done back in the day indoors without proper ventilation and workspace over open flames. <---- someone was most definitely looking over me ! The same can be said about the amount of residuals I had breathed in with poor purging methods with any and all solvent.
No need to be scared ...... JUST BE SAFE... THIS IS NOT A GAME TO FUCK UP WITH !
Proper grounding is essential when using butane at any time ! and even more so when humidity is down (winter) and you chance a static spark from either your body, a sweater, a jacket, socks, etc.
When I process and purge, I will stand on a well grounded aluminum grounding plate (outside I have a grounding rod to bolt a lead to, inside I have a bolt through my electric stove chassis framework to clamp my lead to), with a lead to my dominant wrist, as well as wear appropriate clothing (no sweaters/jackets/fluffy socks lol), and neoprene disposable gloves. Because of my my location.. I DO NOT USE BUTANE DURING WINTER MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE DRY AIR STATIC SPARKS.
I've fucked around with 'backyard' extractions for decades, and I can't believe that I was SO LUCKY to not have had a catastrophe with the sloppy hexane and ether ones I had done back in the day indoors without proper ventilation and workspace over open flames. <---- someone was most definitely looking over me
! The same can be said about the amount of residuals I had breathed in with poor purging methods with any and all solvent.No need to be scared ...... JUST BE SAFE... THIS IS NOT A GAME TO FUCK UP WITH !
negan
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@yaron what kind of filter(s) would you use? If you have a 10 micron SS filter you might be ok. Other than that everything I read says to not break it up much for ISO least you get too much plant material in you final. You could try to winterize after you have your qwiso to remove extra waxes and such.
i am afraid i only have coffeefilters i would like to to try those 10 micron ss filter but i dont know where
to buy them,i live in the netherlands.and by winterizing you mean in the freezer?
negan
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Filters you can get from 316T - http://www.316twholesale.com/ They ship worldwide. You can also get a kit to run BHO. The 7 - 10g kit is $5.99 with screens. You are suppose to grind with BHO (from what I read) so you should be good to go with it.
Winterizing is the process of dissolving your wax into ethanol (KX might work too?) and then freezing it for a few hours to overnight. Then you filter, preferably in freezer or at least with filters from the freezer or on ice. Then evap the ethy back out. This will remove waxes and maybe some other plant materials.
Some instructions are here (pg 18) http://www.liquidizer.com/instructions/
Winterizing is the process of dissolving your wax into ethanol (KX might work too?) and then freezing it for a few hours to overnight. Then you filter, preferably in freezer or at least with filters from the freezer or on ice. Then evap the ethy back out. This will remove waxes and maybe some other plant materials.
Some instructions are here (pg 18) http://www.liquidizer.com/instructions/
spoutti
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@yaron I too wonder whats are the problems with grinding the materials. I read something about exposing the plant matters too much, too many "plant dust". Maybe it will clog the 10 micron filter too quick? Maybe more plant waxes, but winterisation should take care of that.
I hand grind my herbs and it takes forever. I would love to simply grind with my scs in a few minutes. Im listening to any tips; thanks in advance for sharing your experiences
I hand grind my herbs and it takes forever. I would love to simply grind with my scs in a few minutes. Im listening to any tips; thanks in advance for sharing your experiences