Some secrets to good Qwiso

itschad

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Ah okay I see, thanks for the info.

You wouldn't put _any_ qwiso into your omicron carts? even that really golden shattery looking delight on page1?

I'll do some searching about the pollen pellets, I've got a lot of kif and my last adventure with glycerin came out with a rather odd flavor that wasnt very potent
 
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ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
Ah okay I see, thanks for the info.

You wouldn't put _any_ qwiso into your omicron carts? even that really golden shattery looking delight on page1?

I'll do some searching about the pollen pellets, I've got a lot of kif and my last adventure with glycerin came out with a rather odd flavor that wasnt very potent
OK my new TOP SHELF FLOWERS is messing me up!
Sorry for the confusion!
You could load the QWISO if clean as your reference.
I was speaking in relation to doing this with ABV for POLLEN PELLETS.
However I will make some QWISO (with pure FLOWERS) for my OMNICRON Carts.
I could even make some POLLEN PELLETS for the SR-71!

My POLLEN PELLETS is just a way to use my devices and use up my medicine.
 
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itschad

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OK my new TOP SHELF FLOWERS is messing me up!
Sorry for the confusion!
You could load the QWISO if clean as your reference.
I was speaking in relation to doing this with ABV for POLLEN PELLETS.
However I will make some QWISO (with pure FLOWERS) for my OMNICRON Carts.
I could even make some POLLEN PELLETS for the SR-71!

ah yeah, clean qwiso is what i meant.


I did a search around FC and didn't see anything on pollen pellets, would you mind linking me or doing a bit of a writeup on what you do?

or are you just taking little balls of your black iso hash, tossing them in your kif and letting them roll around a bit, then tossing them in your hercules?


I'm kind of scared it would get all meltu and screw up the chamber since they say you're not supposed to use extracts with the v1?
 
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ataxian

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I'm kind of scared it would get all meltu and screw up the chamber since they say you're not supposed to use extracts with the v1?
I have 2 HERCULES V1's so one is in operation the other one unused.
Waiting for the SR-71 (V2) for many uses: {HASH; POLLEN PELLETS; SHATTER; BRITTLE; BUDDER}.
The carts I just keep blonde light colored waxes = FLAVOR & FUNCTION

CLEAN WISO concentrate I need to make!
 
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DeltaNine

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What you want to do is make a cold water bath. Take a 20oz water bottle, fill it up with very very salty water. As much as you can dissolve into it. This lowers the freezing temperature of the water. Freeze this, a tray of ice cubes, your ISO, and your product inside the mason jar you'll be using to make your qwiso. In my freezer, it takes about 4 hours.


Hey, didn't have time to read your entire thread, but last QWISO run I did with 40g of already vaped herbs, I think I yielded about 1.5g of oil. This was my best yield to date, and owing to your method I think the quality is somewhat improved. Just wanted to say thanks.. Only thing I changed with my technique was the ice bath to do the mix in.

Also my technique to remove the alcohol from the jar of herb rapidly was to use a strainer taped to a mason jar lid, so when upside down the herb would fall into the strainer and alcohol into a jar beneath. I put the herb in the jar, removed the lid but kept the threaded metal circle on the mason jar with the strainer attached. Then pour ISO through strainer, and mix in circles instead of shaking up and down. This technique also made the entire operation considerably cleaner/faster.

Anyways, thanks again for the ice bath tip, it is a good idea.
 

VaporEyes

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Thanks for sHARIng that link, actually sounds awesome.. Can anyone comment on possible risks with mixing activated charcoal/carbon into the oil? And how do you filter out the charcoal, is a cofee filter able to do that completely?

Activated carbon/charcoal is safe for human consumption. In fact, it is given to absorb toxins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-suppl...d=269&activeIngredientName=ACTIVATED CHARCOAL

I'd expect a coffee filter to provide sufficient filtering of the charcoal. Might have more issue with the charcoal clogging up your filter, rather than passing through it.
 

toros23

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Activated carbon/charcoal is safe for human consumption. In fact, it is given to absorb toxins.


If some were to get into the oil, do you think it is safe to vape? I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.
 
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VaporEyes

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If some were to get into the oil, do you think it is safe to vape? I did a quick search but couldn't find anything.

I would assume so(haven't vaped charcoal :)) although it might add a combustion-like taste if not fully removed.
 
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DeltaNine

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Activated carbon/charcoal is safe for human consumption. In fact, it is given to absorb toxins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-269-ACTIVATED CHARCOAL.aspx?activeIngredientId=269&activeIngredientName=ACTIVATED CHARCOAL

I'd expect a coffee filter to provide sufficient filtering of the charcoal. Might have more issue with the charcoal clogging up your filter, rather than passing through it.


Thanks, good to know.

I would assume so(haven't vaped charcoal :)) although it might add a combustion-like taste if not fully removed.


Well, I read somewhere (this could be 100% BS just repeating it here) that inhaling charcoal dust or something could cause black lung disease, something miners get. I have no idea if this would happen if you vaped it, or how much you have to inhale (miners probably inhale tons of it I would guess).

If that is not a risk, then I will definitely be giving this a try next batch... Or can I just dissolve existing oil into iso and mix in activated carbon dust?
 
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Kushmangoes

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I just did a qwiso run with probably 2 grams. ive got the white crusty stuff. il post pics later tonight when im done
 
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I just did a qwiso run with probably 2 grams. ive got the white crusty stuff. il post pics later tonight when im done
That's fine, if by white crusty you mean the residue that shows up when you're close to done purging. We're not quite sure what it is but my guess is it's terpenes/flavonoids since they're water soluble, since the alcohol evaporates the water is left and becomes more and more saturated with the chemicals. The same happens with all my ISO washes/runs, and I've never noticed it affecting taste or effects.
 
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Doug

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I got worried when my last run went white near the end. Everything ended up okay. I kept mixing it up for even consistency and got a great natural wax product. This was all without any more heat than cleap heating pad under. Later, I believed it wasn't purged all the way. I let it get a little too hot in the oven, and it turned from a crumbly wax to something thicker than taffy but not quite shatter. Great stuff, but I liked the first consistency it had. I'll definitely try it without heat again and just learn to wait longer.

I have some 99.9% isopropyl on the way, so I'm excited to try that out. I've only been using 96% Spiritus in my runs so far.
 
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mephisto

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As for the activated charcoal, there will be minimal chance for "dust" to be introduced. The charcoal is less powder, more gravel-like in composition. The great amount of surface exposure of the coal allows the impurities to be captured by the fissures and channels, hence the filtering. Look for the type found for aquarium use. The activated charcoal used to nullify ingested toxins is much more a powder consistency to allow for greater absorption of toxins once in the gut.

I would look to adding the charcoal downstream of your initial extraction, allowing the extract to filter through the charcoal. Rather than looking at it as something to add to the extract after the extraction phase. Think of it as a supercharged organic filter. It rest nicely in a standard coffee filter, and can be used for several extractions. If there are concerns with "powder", a rinse of the charcoal prior to use will eradicate the loose powder which could rinse of into your extract.
 
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ndevoid2

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I'm sure there's some people on here in my situation, and aren't comfortable using something as volatile as butane for extractions. A lot of people think they're sacrificing by using ISO, and you might be, a bit. Time, if nothing else. With trial and error, though, I've learned a few tricks to get high quality qwiso. Want to share them so you guys don't have to be using that black, gooey, nasty stuff. I can't give anything like a recipe, as I haven't got one. I do it a little different every time trying to get better.

First, is to keep everything cold. Chlorophyll and waxes and other impurities are what makes the oil dark and nasty. If these impurities are frozen, they dissolve into the ISO much more slowly. Some guides I've seen recommend freezing everything for 24 hours or something like that. That actually doesn't help a whole lot. It's good, but as soon as that stuff is out of the freezer, it starts warming up.

What you want to do is make a cold water bath. Take a 20oz water bottle, fill it up with very very salty water. As much as you can dissolve into it. This lowers the freezing temperature of the water. Freeze this, a tray of ice cubes, your ISO, and your product inside the mason jar you'll be using to make your qwiso. In my freezer, it takes about 4 hours.

Get some kind of flat, wide container. I use a plastic tupperware type thing that's about 10in. square. Cut open the bottle of frozen salt water and dump it in. Should be hard slush(your freezer probably won't freeze it solid). Break it up with a knife or fork. Add the ice cubes and enough water to cover them and the slush.

Place the mason jar with product in the center of the cold water bath and make your qwiso there. This will keep everything extremely cold during your extraction. Cover to about double the level of your product. First run, just stir a couple times to make sure there are no dry spots. Just let it sit. This will be so cold, and you're not agitating, so the 10-30 second wash times recommended are way to short. I actually haven't found the max wash time for the first run, yet. Last time I did an entire minute and still ended up with pure white powder qwiso. Not sure how many of you guys have seen this stuff, but I've been told by some pretty experienced people that what I've let them hit is very high quality. Honestly, it's to pure. I can't even really use it. Doesn't stick to anything. You can heat it up to get it on a dabber, but the instant it cools it falls off. It's a pain. :lol: Trying to find the spot where I'll have all of this oil...and just a bit of the waxes, to make it easier to use.

Use a normal wire kitchen strainer on top of a funnel with a coffee filter in it to filter out the material. Some shake and keif will fall through the strainer, but it's not a huge deal if that sits in there. It's not much. Don't ever press out the buds. You might get a little extra oil, but you'll get a TON of all the impurities we just worked so hard to keep out of your oil. As soon as the material is done dripping, get it back in the jar and get that and your ISO back into the freezer for your second run. Do that the same way, but stir the entire time you're washing.

When you're purging, just keep it somewhere cool and dark, and keep a fan blowing on it. Also, make sure to cover it with a screen or cheesecloth to keep dust and anything in the air out of the pan. This part takes a while and varies a lot depending on the pan you use. Can use something nice and big, and it'll be done in a few hours, but you'll be scraping a lot of surface area and it'll take you longer to get your oil off the pan. You can use a small serving dish, and it'll take a long time to purge, but you'll be able to scrape out your oil really easily. Up to you, really. If you use 91% ISO(don't go lower), at a certain point you'll see a milky looking liquid that's formed. That's normal. It's just water and a bit of qwiso. Don't dump it off...there's oil in it. Just let it keep purging until it's COMPLETELY dry. It shouldn't be oily or watery at all. Aside from not keeping the extraction cold, this is peoples biggest issue. If you scrape it while it's still wet, the water gets mixed in and then it takes forever to dry.

From 7gs of shake, I usually get .2-.3 of the high quality first run. .7-1.0 out of the second run. Second run has varied a lot. Couple times I got nice yellow wax, but I've also gotten brown, too. I've been doing a third run, just to see what's left as I'm figuring out wash times. Usually .1-.3 and it's horrible lol. I really want to get as much as I can out in the first run. I've got a theory that the second run get's a lot of impurities from the ISO that's been sitting on it for the time between runs. Just going to keep adding to the first run wash time until I get most of it out there.

Hope this helps a few people...and here's to no more blown up kitchens! :tup:
Have you ever thought to use a silicone double boiler so u don't have to scrape at all
 
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ndevoid2

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I use a low heat purge because I'm impatient, has anyone used a silicone bowl or silicone double boiler to purge in to avoid scraping? I Just bought one cuz it was only 15 bucks and I usually purge in a rice cooker with enough water to barely float my pyrex dish and I set it to stream and just watch it until its done which is usually 30 min to an hour depending on how much I'm purging. If I could get some feedback id be grateful, I'm brand new to this site so please be gentle lol
 
ndevoid2,

BabyFacedFinster

Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
Trying this for the first time tomorrow.

I'm doing a small batch for my first run. I got 3-4 grams of a nice hybrid, heavy on the indica. Crumbled it up lightly with my fingers and put it in a mason jar in the freezer. Also freezing some Iso. 91% was the best I could find around here.

It felt weird giving up 4 grams at one time when I have a limited supply of weed. Like I was wasting it or something. I kept telling myself that its going to come back to me in a cool, shatter/budder like way.

Anyway, a thought I had was in setting up the wash. Someone please tell if this sounds like a stupid idea, but instead of using a strainer to hold back the herb after it sits in Iso for 10-15 seconds, I tried something else. I took a small paint strainer bag , like what homebrewers might use in a hops boil, and I stretched that over the mouth of the mason jar containing the herb. I fastened the lid ring around the tightly stretched bag. I wrapped some tin foil around the top to keep moisture out while in the freezer.

I plan to just add the Iso through the mesh bag into the mason jar and strain it out the same way. I was planning on 2 washes, the first for 15 seconds followed immed by a second for 10 sec. Has anyone else done this?

oh, and to help the previous poster. I have seen youtube vids of people using silicone bowls to purge or evaporate Iso with. They soak them in warm water baths. I have heard specifically that they are not made to blast directly with butane if that was considered. Just to finish the evap process.
 
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herbivore21

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Trying this for the first time tomorrow.

I'm doing a small batch for my first run. I got 3-4 grams of a nice hybrid, heavy on the indica. Crumbled it up lightly with my fingers and put it in a mason jar in the freezer. Also freezing some Iso. 91% was the best I could find around here.

It felt weird giving up 4 grams at one time when I have a limited supply of weed. Like I was wasting it or something. I kept telling myself that its going to come back to me in a cool, shatter/budder like way.

Anyway, a thought I had was in setting up the wash. Someone please tell if this sounds like a stupid idea, but instead of using a strainer to hold back the herb after it sits in Iso for 10-15 seconds, I tried something else. I took a small paint strainer bag , like what homebrewers might use in a hops boil, and I stretched that over the mouth of the mason jar containing the herb. I fastened the lid ring around the tightly stretched bag. I wrapped some tin foil around the top to keep moisture out while in the freezer.

I plan to just add the Iso through the mesh bag into the mason jar and strain it out the same way. I was planning on 2 washes, the first for 15 seconds followed immed by a second for 10 sec. Has anyone else done this?

oh, and to help the previous poster. I have seen youtube vids of people using silicone bowls to purge or evaporate Iso with. They soak them in warm water baths. I have heard specifically that they are not made to blast directly with butane if that was considered. Just to finish the evap process.
Whoa, there is a lot for me to read over in this thread - however, if these silicon bowls are not platinum cured (which I suspect to be the case), then you should absolutely NOT be evaporating solvents in this container. It is not safe to have solvents (especially a highly polar, aggressive solvent like ISO) coming into contact with ordinary silicon (probably especially not when combined with heat!).

Please do not mess around with making oils until you can be sure you have good knowledge of safety in chemistry. There are a bunch of things that I as a very experienced QWISO maker (who gets delicious clear shatter every time that many around these parts can vouch for) used to do that I would never do now for safety reasons. Please be careful guys.

Iso should never be purged indoors unless you have extremely good ventilation and an extremely effective heat purge setup - multiple extraction fans, large windows. The fumes are not safe to breathe in. Double boilers ghetto rigged at home can also be a source of major fire risk if they are positioned in such a way that the upper dish (which the solution goes into to purge) is precariously sitting above a red hot element (source of ignition). Basically you wanna be sure that your double boiler is a proper, stable bain marie if possible, or something equally or less likely to spill.
 
herbivore21,

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Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
Well, the mesh over the jar mouth did not work that well at all. The Iso went in fine during the first round, but for the second round the Iso wouldn't pour through the mesh very well. The holes of the mesh were clogged with thick Iso. I didn't realize that stuff gets so thick when cold. Anyway, I ended up getting some more Iso in the jar and strained a second round after 15 sec or so. So that was 2 extractions of 15 sec each. I ended up with about 1 to 11/2 cups of solvent to evaporate. I first put it through a coffee filter which stopped some yellow-tan residue from passing through. My only concern is that the solution barely had any color to it. I'm hoping I got some THC and didn't just waste 4 g of herb.
I'll need to wait another day or so since I'm not using heat to evaporate. I have the evaporating dish in the barn on a table to naturally evap. It's also relatively cold outside but not quite freezing.
 
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killick

But I like it!
@BabyFacedFinster I made a small batch a few days ago for the first time. I used ~5grams. When it came to evaping I didn't want to use the gas stove (I have a 1 element induction cooker coming for this step) so I used a couple of glass baking pans. The larger one was filled with boiling hot water from the kettle, and the smaller pan was floated in the first pan. The Everclear evaporated in under an hour. It was a tough scrape, and even then I couldn't get it all off, so gave the pan a final swish with a small amount of Everclear and poured that into a cup of tea.

For my first pour I used a flat sieve with a coffee filter on top, but it quickly plugged. Next time the first drain will be with the sieve to separate the materials quickly, and the finer filtering will be a separate step when it's not so time sensitive.

The French press is a great idea. I also read someone was using an Aeropress filter system as well. I have one for camping. Will dig it out and give that a shot. It presses the mix through either a paper or stainless micron filter, leaving a puck of base material to toss in compost, or toss in a batch of budder to get the last wee bit of goodness out...
 
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killick,

BabyFacedFinster

Anything worth doing, is worth overdoing.
@BabyFacedFinster I made a small batch a few days ago for the first time. I used ~5grams. When it came to evaping I didn't want to use the gas stove (I have a 1 element induction cooker coming for this step) so I used a couple of glass baking pans. The larger one was filled with boiling hot water from the kettle, and the smaller pan was floated in the first pan. The Everclear evaporated in under an hour. It was a tough scrape, and even then I couldn't get it all off, so gave the pan a final swish with a small amount of Everclear and poured that into a cup of tea.

For my first pour I used a flat sieve with a coffee filter on top, but it quickly plugged. Next time the first drain will be with the sieve to separate the materials quickly, and the finer filtering will be a separate step when it's not so time sensitive.

The French press is a great idea. I also read someone was using an Aeropress filter system as well. I have one for camping. Will dig it out and give that a shot. It presses the mix through either a paper or stainless micron filter, leaving a puck of base material to toss in compost, or toss in a batch of budder to get the last wee bit of goodness out...

Thanks
Yeah, being my first time, it turned into a cluster fuck during the extraction. However, I am a day or two away from complete evaporation and I am seeing some darker gloppy areas where the iso has evaporated so I feel a little better.
Putting the dish over another dish with hot water sounds like a good idea because it is a lot less invasive than a fueled heat source. They say that the less heat the better the product, but your way seems like a good in-between step that speeds up the process.

I don't know what I'm in for with the scraping but I bought some new razors to have at it. If it is too brittle to scrape, I'll warm it a bit first, but I don't want it turning to oil. I am hoping for crusty honeycomb to shatter but I'll settle for anything.
Good luck with yours:wave:
 
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killick

But I like it!
Thanks! Let us know how yours turns out! It's always good to know what success looks like, and then the rest of us can replicate it :)
 
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herbivore21

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Here is what success looks like guys! :D

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This is a winterized, sub micron filtered (and as such, bacteria/mold/mold spore/anything that doesn't fully dissolve in ethanol free :D) QWISO first run from some top shelf THC bomb nugs using some of my newly acquired dab lab skills.

It is obviously an absolute shatter, and is clear as glass with a pale peachy hue.
 
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