HellsWindStaff
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He has the best accents, don't he folks?
I am always entertained by watching DT speak. Those other politicians delivery......a disaster!
So, is the US Presidential election actually over?
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He has the best accents, don't he folks?
I am always entertained by watching DT speak. Those other politicians delivery......a disaster!
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
He does know how to put on a show, I'll give him that. I just wish he would get off Twitter . . .I am always entertained by watching DT speak. Those other politicians delivery......a disaster!
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
I love him directly engaging via Twitter and it fuels (sad!) arguments like "his tweets are reflective of his nuclear code ability" so a win/win IMO
t-dub
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Whatever floats your boat. To me it is not very "presidential". I think in the past we have had democratic presidents and republican presidents, doing things in their own ways, but now we have a Trump presidency and I think its going to be different than anything we have seen so far.
grokit
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The nationalist party just fell, in austria of all places, to the pro-eu green candidate ![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
Austria's voters have resoundingly rejected anti-immigration and eurosceptic Norbert Hofer's bid to become the European Union's first far-right president, a result greeted with relief from centrist politicians across the continent.
Greens-backed independent candidate Alexander Van der Bellen swept 53.3 percent of Sunday's vote against 46.7 percent for his rival from the anti-immigration Freedom Party (FPOe), according to public television projections.
Austria's voters have resoundingly rejected anti-immigration and eurosceptic Norbert Hofer's bid to become the European Union's first far-right president, a result greeted with relief from centrist politicians across the continent.
Greens-backed independent candidate Alexander Van der Bellen swept 53.3 percent of Sunday's vote against 46.7 percent for his rival from the anti-immigration Freedom Party (FPOe), according to public television projections.
He has the best accents, don't he folks?
I am always entertained by watching DT speak. Those other politicians delivery......a disaster!
He does know how to put on a show, I'll give him that. I just wish he would get off Twitter . . .
Perhaps now is the time that we as a nation 'officially' turn the presidency into a reality TV show so as to better serve the wants of the american people.
I'll be over here, just wishing that we would start electing great scientists or respected civil leaders for president...
gangababa
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And so perhaps begins the world-wide rejection of USA values as devalued by our minority prejudicial presidential pick.
t-dub
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Don't you wish. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
You really don't understand how sick you sound do you? Only racists view the world through the lens of race, talk about it all the time, and use it as a hammer against people who they disagree with. If anything it is this paradigm that is coming to an end in this country. The "deplorables" are learning the language and strategy of these tricks. More people that disagree with Alinsky read his stuff than you might imagine.gangababa said:
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GreenDragon
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MAGA-bation
Warning
Excessive MAGA-bation may cause hair to turn orange and sufferers to have outbursts of verbal inaccuracies and regressive ideology.
Extreme cases may also shout cruel childish insults and practice sexual predation.
Warning
Excessive MAGA-bation may cause hair to turn orange and sufferers to have outbursts of verbal inaccuracies and regressive ideology.
Extreme cases may also shout cruel childish insults and practice sexual predation.
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
I would look on the left for that. Remember all the "tea bagger" jokes? If not let me refresh your memory.
GreenDragon
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Wow. Just a small sad wow.
I agree with most of your posts, but most admire your patience and tenacity while trying to enlighten.
These two forum participants demonstrate the extreme dichotomy of culture in the U.S..
(Sorry to single you guys out, but you are both fine examples. Thank you and/or sorry. :-) )
Obviously, I have an opinion, but that is not my point.
The examples above also have opinions, but it is their contrast, not their content, that I am examining.
This election turned into a watershed event.
Who and what is America?
Are we The United States of America?
Should we be?
Tranquility
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HellsWindStaff
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Perhaps now is the time that we as a nation 'officially' turn the presidency into a reality TV show so as to better serve the wants of the american people.
I'll be over here, just wishing that we would start electing great scientists or respected civil leaders for president...
Not president, but Carson got elected to HUD. I'm happy with a great businessman as president
I am glad he's entertaining as it keeps me involved. If that makes me wishing for RtV "America" lol guess I am, but he's a better speaker and keeps me more engaged than last presidents. He stuck it to the system of pulled punches and meek attacks. Refreshing.
Sexual Predation? That reminded me of another example of the media warping perspectives of masses. Dave fuckin Chappelle illuminated me to this. It's a great point.
Member the Billy Bush tape saying he's a sexual predator and sexual assaulter? Yet, the phrase was "when you're a celebrity, they let you do it." The phrase implicitly implies consent. Sexual assault, no consent there. Another baseless point. Was it unflattering/gross tape? Yeah. But media spun it to something it just outright is not. No matter how you twist it, he's not advocating for sexual assault. But that was lapped up."I didn't say it would be easy, I said it was the truth"
Just saw an interview earlier with Anderson Cooper and Goofy Elizabeth. Goofy Elizabeth pushing the "Steve Bannon is a white nationalist/supremacist" and Anderson actually reaffirmed to her numerous times there that there is no evidence he's a white supremacist. He's a white nationalist. Not scary. Media tries to scare by twisting it. Even Andy Coop isn't willing to push that distorted narrative.
How about the markets rise since his election? I'm not super familiar to be honest. Correlation doesn't equal causation but the ones I see saying Nay are from proven bias so from my PoV I'm inclined to believe Trump had some influence.
Tranquility
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I believe the market would have dropped if we had Trump and a split Congress. I think it was the sense that business will be getting done that lead to the rise.
Don't get too used to it, I predict a rise in interest rates now that Trump is elected from the non-partisan Fed.
That rise, while good for old guys like me who have more saved than owed, will slow consumer spending and result in some negative force on GDP growth. In the short term, it is hard to fight that headwind. Over time, it will be a blip.
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lwien
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Really T? Are you purposely trying to get this thread shut down?
Farid
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As somebody that has tried to stay out of this thread, I think it needs to die. The old thread was killed, and I don't know why this one was created. We can answer the title of the thread with a: "Yes."
I am not saying this because the thread is controversial, but because everything that has been said has been said. There are other controversial topics that are worth discussion, but this topic has been beaten to death. I say this because I don't even need to read the posts to know where people stand, because nobody is changing their mind at this point.
I am not saying this because the thread is controversial, but because everything that has been said has been said. There are other controversial topics that are worth discussion, but this topic has been beaten to death. I say this because I don't even need to read the posts to know where people stand, because nobody is changing their mind at this point.
lwien
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There are many here @Farid, who are active in this thread as well as the original one, who would say that the LAST thing that they are tying to do here is to change anyone's mind. Count me in that group.
Many just have a strong need to express themselves and threads such as this gives them an opportunity to do that. So I say...............keep it open but ban those who have a propensity for making their arguments personal. And for those that think that threads such as this serves no purpose, all you have to do is............change the channel.
Farid
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That's putting a lot of pressure on the mods to enforce bans on this thread. Considering many of the posters are well known members it's asking for drama. I was not a Clinton or Trump supporter, but I feel things got way too personal in the last thread.
If people aren't trying to change each other's mind there is no incentive to have a civil discussion, so it stops being a discussion and the thread becomes a soapbox. Since different members have different opinions, and nobody is changing their minds it becomes a contest of who can shout loudest (who can post the most and longest posts in the thread, taking up the most space). This encourages people to post long articles that they did not write themselves, or worse, to post exaggerated info or go for personal attacks since nobody is going to be debating or fact checking the info.
That last point is really the heart of this problem, and the problem with this years election:
When emotions become more important than facts, the truth goes out the window, as neither side wants to touch it.
If people aren't trying to change each other's mind there is no incentive to have a civil discussion, so it stops being a discussion and the thread becomes a soapbox. Since different members have different opinions, and nobody is changing their minds it becomes a contest of who can shout loudest (who can post the most and longest posts in the thread, taking up the most space). This encourages people to post long articles that they did not write themselves, or worse, to post exaggerated info or go for personal attacks since nobody is going to be debating or fact checking the info.
That last point is really the heart of this problem, and the problem with this years election:
When emotions become more important than facts, the truth goes out the window, as neither side wants to touch it.
Tranquility
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-according-to-science/?utm_term=.e8dceefd89a1
Unlike the mindless clashes you often see on Twitter or Facebook, commentors on ChangeMyView explain their reasoning at length. The forum also requires the poster let others know when their view has changed by awarding the other poster a ∆ (a “delta,” the Greek letter used in math to denote change) and explaining exactly what modified their view. By looking at these exchanges, the researchers can study exactly what persuades people outside the laboratory and also have access to mass quantities of data.
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Finally, they argue that language tells us something about whether the person’s mind can be changed in the first place. The researchers note that the language a person uses to express the original opinion shows, to a great extent, whether their opinion is malleable or not.
They find that first person pronouns (“I”) indicate an opinion is malleable, but first person plural pronouns (“we”) suggest the opposite. Changeable opinions are also expressed more calmly and more positively, using words including “help” and “please,” and more adjectives and adverbs.
Stubborn views are expressed with more excitement, and using decisive words like “anyone,” “certain,” and “nothing,” and superlative adjectives like “worst” and “best.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/good-thinking/201602/how-get-people-change-their-minds...
Finally, they argue that language tells us something about whether the person’s mind can be changed in the first place. The researchers note that the language a person uses to express the original opinion shows, to a great extent, whether their opinion is malleable or not.
They find that first person pronouns (“I”) indicate an opinion is malleable, but first person plural pronouns (“we”) suggest the opposite. Changeable opinions are also expressed more calmly and more positively, using words including “help” and “please,” and more adjectives and adverbs.
Stubborn views are expressed with more excitement, and using decisive words like “anyone,” “certain,” and “nothing,” and superlative adjectives like “worst” and “best.”
- Words that are emotionally neutral or slightly "downbeat" are more persuasive than upbeat, happy words.
- Using words that are different from the ones used by the original poster is more effective than using the same words. The researchers interpreted this to mean that different words signal a different point of view.
- "Hedging" language (such as "it could be the case") is usually labeled "weak" because it signals uncertainty. Yet arguments containing such language were, surprisingly, more persuasive than those without. The researchers suggest that is because "they may make an argument easier to accept by softening its tone." In other words, people are not open to persuasion when they feel they are being bulldozed, conquered, proved wrong, or dominated by their opponent.
- Arguments presented early in the thread are more likely to persuade than those presented later, and that was true regardless of the expertise of the responder. In fact, the first two challengers were three times more likely to succeed at persuading than the tenth challenger.
- In back-and-forth dialogues between the original poster and a responder, the results were crystal clear: If you haven't persuaded the person by the fourth round, you never will.
- Initial analyses indicated that the greater the number of challengers, the higher the likelihood of success in changing the original poster's mind. But subsequent analyses indicated single-challenger threads consistently outperformed multiple-challenger threads in terms of conversion rate. According to the authors, "This observation suggests that the sheer number of challengers is not necessarily associated with higher chances of conversion.
lwien
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"This is the kind of thread that gets A FEW people heated up enough to break the 'be nice' rule and hold grudges about it in the future."-------fixed.
Ok, this is getting wayyyy off topic though. I just hate to see the many get punished for the actions of a few.
These political threads seem to inevitably go south and end up disrupting the harmony of this forum. For that reason we are closing down this thread.
I suggest to anyone that wishes to discuss and debate politics that they find somewhere else online to do it. This is a vaporizer forum and that will always be our priority and focus. The staff is not here to moderate political discussion; I know I didn't sign up for that and have no interest in doing so.
I suggest to anyone that wishes to discuss and debate politics that they find somewhere else online to do it. This is a vaporizer forum and that will always be our priority and focus. The staff is not here to moderate political discussion; I know I didn't sign up for that and have no interest in doing so.
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