Gear Slug .33 Rosin Forge

[ClearBlueLou]

I just stumbled onto this thread and saw this video...

...and thought to myself - "Self - this is a perfect application for an induction heater."

Anyone else agree? Or do I need to read those other 49 pages

I’d have to go hunt things down and refresh, but the gist of what I learned about a coil outfit would apply to the induction method - which is that it can’t be rigged up in a way that’s useable - too many connections, too much hot metal, suddenly too many moving parts. You could rig it for induction heat, but then it would need disconnection at peak temperature (~220F) and then relocation, then pressing. Lots of opportunity for slips, burns, etc...and just plain inconvenient at best.

Add to that, the pressing actually begins fairly early in the heat, which makes the entire maneuver still more complicated.

therefore, stumped, but not unhappy

 

[TommyDee]

Certainly more integrated, indeed. I was considering rapid and sustained heating. Maybe even part of the barrel with a heat shield cemented with ceramic epoxy.

 

[Ramahs]

Certainly more integrated, indeed. I was considering rapid and sustained heating. Maybe even part of the barrel with a heat shield cemented with ceramic epoxy.

If you want to go that far, then you probably want an electronically heated press, like the Dabpress.
This press is simple for a reason.

 

[TommyDee]

Agreed. I see torching as a variable that could use some greater control. Then again, you could just place the whole outfit in an oven for preheating and use mits to press

 

[Ramahs]

Agreed. I see torching as a variable that could use some greater control. Then again, you could just place the whole outfit in an oven for preheating and use mits to press

It'd be a pain in the ass to load while hot.

Plus, I think the slow up-temp melt as the temp slowly rises from room-temp is part of how it works.

 

[TommyDee]

Load it before loading it into the oven. That way everything rises in temp evenly.

 

[Ramahs]

Load it before loading it into the oven. That way everything rises in temp evenly.

I strongly suspect that may have it at too high of a temp for too long...unless you somehow have a way to slowly press it as it heats inside the oven.
The press begins well before it gets up to the desired finishing temp.

It would probably give you significantly darker oil than the standard torch method otherwise.

 

[TommyDee]

Perhaps... but we learned to bake cakes too Just reach in every 5 minutes and give the vice another crank. That was the 'oven mitt' comment. I've done stranger things decarbin'

 

[ClearBlueLou]

My vise won’t fit in my oven

 

[FlyingLow]

I thought the whole purpose of the slug was to be as simple and quick as possible.

Seems moving into ovens would be the exact opposite... slower, more steps, more chances to burn yourself!.

 

[TommyDee]

220F? Peanuts

What's the required opening of the vise?

 

[Nattybushdoctor]

220F? Peanuts

What's the required opening of the vise?

Hello, Induction heating does not work with Stainless Steel. 4" is the minimum opening for a usable vise. Also important is the width of the plates. 1.5" is ideal. Peace!

 

[TommyDee]

Please don't tell DynaVap their IH is useless on their stainless steel VapCaps

Thanks for the sizing info, very useful.

Razzin' ya about the IH. It will heat stainless but maintaining temp is a bit of work.

But I can certainly see a cost effective press that can be put in an oven. 220F is below most baking temperatures. People that bake would be scarred to hell if that was an issue. My take is to load the press with herb; preheat in the oven/toaster oven; first press outside the oven over your collector sheet; place back in oven for continued pressing at intervals. Nice even bake; collection outside the oven. You could do this with gardening gloves, or even one glove.

This type of press is as simple as 2 threaded rods and end caps w/ feet to provide drip clearance.

 

[Nattybushdoctor]

Please don't tell DynaVap their IH is useless on their stainless steel VapCaps

Thanks for the sizing info, very useful.

They obviously know something I do not, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed thats for sure. My only experience comes from trying to use stainless cookware on an induction burner. From what I understand induction heat requires the metal to have a certain amount of Iron content?

 

[TommyDee]

Fair enough. Never heard that. Certainly a different style of heater for stove tops. IH depends on exciting electrons.

Crap, now you guys have done it. I'll see about getting a buddy to drill a nice clean hole in a piece if stainless. This has to be scalable.

 

[Nattybushdoctor]

Stopping flower matter from clogging or coming out of that hole is going to be a challenge. Good luck with that. Keep us informed. PEace

 

[Andreaerdna]

From what I understand induction heat requires the metal to have a certain amount of Iron content?

It depends for what application, to cook you need fast rate heat induction.

Out of curiosity I activated my home made IH on the Vapcap without cap (Ti tip) it get hot but not as hot as fast as the cap

 

[ClearBlueLou]

I recall that fact being basic to the design: that the cap transfers heat to the tip.

 

[ClearBlueLou]

Please don't tell DynaVap their IH is useless on their stainless steel VapCaps

Thermal transfer from the CAP to the TIP is how it works, how it’s designed to work. Please don’t tell Tommy my IH works just great on my stainless steel and titanium vapcaps!

by the way, Doc - I notice you have a bunch new content on YT. Busy man!

 

[Nattybushdoctor]

Good to hear from you LOU!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Thermal transfer from the CAP to the TIP is how it works, how it’s designed to work. Please don’t tell Tommy my IH works just great on my stainless steel and titanium vapcaps!

by the way, Doc - I notice you have a bunch new content on YT. Busy man!

Try putting just the tip without the cap. It still gets hot. Steel has a lot of iron in it,once i got fooled too,because they list only the things other than Iron in the mix. Chromium and Nickel content for example,but when you do the math with the percentages, you will see that there is a lot left to balance 100% ,that is Iron.
https://www.thoughtco.com/type-304-and-304l-stainless-steel-2340261
Check bottom of the page.
""
Induction heating has important applications in science and industry. The method of induction heating can be successfully used for melting and heat treatment of titanium and zirconium alloys.""
Technically the slug can get hot with induction but it will require a big coil and a lot of watts.

 

[Ramahs]

Which thread are we in again?

 

[ClearBlueLou]

Try putting just the tip without the cap. It still gets hot. Steel has a lot of iron in it,once i got fooled too,because they list only the things other than Iron in the mix.

Technically the slug can get hot with induction but it will require a big coil and a lot of watts.

When I put the tip in without the cap, I get weed in my heater, and can’t press the activation switch...and yes, ‘stainless steel’ *is* mostly iron. Technically, the Slug *CAN* be heated via induction, as you say - and as you say, the scale of the operation makes big wires and big current necessary...and that argues for a rethink of the whole idea.

Not saying the creative can’t adapt, we do it all the time, but sometimes the best adaptation is a different idea entirely.

Which thread are we in again?

THIS one...

 

[okydokes]

If your thinking about purchasing this I say ...Don’t!
I gave it enough time and have been lucky enough to have enough green that the wastage was not an issue for me but this device is at best impractical and wasteful. There is a reason this thread is dead. It’s the same reason that so few people recommend this. Its not very good.
I recently bought hair straighteners and they produce better quality, easily repeatable goodies.

 

[Nattybushdoctor]

If your thinking about purchasing this I say ...Don’t!
I gave it enough time and have been lucky enough to have enough green that the wastage was not an issue for me but this device is at best impractical and wasteful. There is a reason this thread is dead. It’s the same reason that so few people recommend this. Its not very good.
I recently bought hair straighteners and they produce better quality, easily repeatable goodies.

Some people blame the tool for their inability to operate it while others do what it takes to figure it out. The thread is dead because the Slug.33 works and theres nothing left to dispute or debate.