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[thisperson]

I saw that set up.

They are 250 for the kit on ebay and there's even a kit called the shattervac from the same seller, but I couldn't find out if this was a closed loop.

By closed loop I mean that the solvent gets run through a tubing system that cools it and stores it after it has been evaporated.

Like I know that ISO has an evap temperature of 98.6 F and if I were to evaporate it when purging my concentrates I could reclaim the ISO by running it through some tubing and cooling it to room temperature again.

At least that's what I had referred to as a closed loop system, because you don't waste your solvent like evaporating would.

Or does closed loop system refer to something else?

Anyone know if there's kits like that around and how much they cost? Or if it would be better to build your own.

 

[farscaper]

those are not closed loop extraction systems those are vacuum purge systems. a closed loop system would be like the tamisium or the terpenator.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/221466305425?nav=SEARCH

http://m.ebay.com/itm/281338784353?nav=SEARCH

 

[DieHard]

Bestvaluevacs.com has a closed loop system listed, I think around $1500. Mine is not closed loop. That's on the wish list next. My vac chamber and pump was $230 shipped. The BBQ guru/Power Raptor was $300. I have to say I never thought that I would be using it for this purpose even though I've been making URL for many years. It is part of my tech to make a smoked pork shoulder to die for.

 

[thisperson]

Hmm. Those are interesting and what I was looking for. Kind of.

I'm more of the smokes for one and smokes out his cousin occasionally. Not looking to make a lot.

Are there no closed loop extraction systems for smaller loads?

I just want to do it as efficiently as possible when I try it and it'd be nice to save the solvent costs.

It'd be daunting but I kind of want to try building my own if anyone has made one and wouldn't mind posting a How to. I just don't have the know how. :/

I think it'd need a chamber with a curved tubing leading to a tank collector/bucket and something to cool the tubing. Is there something I'm missing?

 

[farscaper]

Bestvaluevacs.com has a closed loop system listed, I think around $1500. Mine is not closed loop. That's on the wish list next. My vac chamber and pump was $230 shipped. The BBQ guru/Power Raptor was $300. I have to say I never thought that I would be using it for this purpose even though I've been making URL for many years. It is part of my tech to make a smoked pork shoulder to die for.

are you gonna marinade it in honey oil?


I think you may have defined nirvana there

 

[mvapes]

Currently I use a grill like most. Water transmits heat very well with PTFE. I want to eliminate the heat source completely and isolate it to the chamber. I'm a bit of freak about my erl and want consistency. It's so amazing how different strains act under under a vacuum with temperature control. Using water is good once at a solid temp but extremely slow when temperature needs to change. Typical vacuum chambers are awesome but think about the fact that the heat is direct at the bottom. And yes, I understand that most keep them in a bath or a top an upside down pyrex dish but guess what? Again, an extremely slow and unevenly heated environment.

However, with an actual heated vac you using radiant even heat and precise internal temperature control.

Don't get me wrong, I've been running the other way like you guy's for a while but I want to be better. I'm sure a lot of you share my passion for oil making. It's not just about the material, it's an art. I love meeting with other oil guys and learning their ways.

It's all pretty cool if you ask me.

The best value closed looped butane systems are on sale for 900. Just ordered one. I promise to document the first run here.

 

[VapeNStone]

Shatter wave!!!

 

[thisperson]

Whoosh!

Edit: Not mine. Psst. Keep it going.

 

[hishighness]

some more solventless wax (said I wouldn't get another one and yet...)

Sour D 70u-120u

They warned online that you might want to bring a ice pack or something to prevent recrystallization and I wish I listened, this stuff was completely dust/sand like when I got it and by the time I was home it solidified into a big piece.

 

[Caligula]

I bet that vapes like a boss tho.

 

[mvapes]

16 hour vac purged Trainwreck x Chemdawg4 x NYC Diesel

Sourchem x Blue Dream (12 Hours)

Super Lemon Haze (20 Hours)

Another round of Mighty Might HC (49 Hours)

Sourchem through the tamisium extractor then vacced for 4 days!

 

[Caligula]

That last one looks super green. Too much plant material?

 

[mvapes]

No, it was tamisium extracted over dry ice in a closed loop system. It keeps all chlorophyll and terps in place as there's no where to escape. Hence why the tamisium is considered the cleanest form of extraction.

Color makes no difference unless it's over cooked.

 

[hishighness]

No, it was tamisium extracted over dry ice in a closed loop system. It keeps all chlorophyll and terps in place as there's no where to escape. Hence why the tamisium is considered the cleanest form of extraction.

Color makes no difference unless it's over cooked.

huh? If you agree that there's chlorophyll in there (ie: not THC) then while it may be "cleanest" in the sense that it contains the same chemicals as the natural plant, isn't the point of extraction to create the purest form of THC possible?

Pleas correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure that's some very nice wax but from what I understand green = plant material = combustion -> ash on the nail = not as 'clean' as something amber colored.

 

[Caligula]

I assumed he meant clean as in less residual solvent. You bring up a good point about the plant matter leaving more unwanted residue though.

 

[Jared]

Went to Canna Center for the first time today and am really really impressed with their shatter. Easily the highest I've ever gotten from a dab.

Caramel x PB (not sure what PB is unfortunately)

Also picked up some wax from Emerald City Wellness that is shockingly potent. Blown by Mahatma but it was Emerald's trim. It looks kind of like garbage IMO but it dabs great and the taste is really really good.

 

[mvapes]

huh? If you agree that there's chlorophyll in there (ie: not THC) then while it may be "cleanest" in the sense that it contains the same chemicals as the natural plant, isn't the point of extraction to create the purest form of THC possible?

Pleas correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure that's some very nice wax but from what I understand green = plant material = combustion -> ash on the nail = not as 'clean' as something amber colored.

@Caligula is correct. Clean only matters when talking about the solvent. The whole point to a successful run is to extract the most of the plants natural medicinal value as possible.

On amother note, your comment contradicts itself because you can't extract THC, you can only get thcx and thca which once activated become THC.

Chlorophyll has nothing to do with anything except plants with higher levels of it usually run darker.

So all in all, the color being green, yellow, or brown so from what you understood was in fact incorrect. This isn't good wax, the is 100 hour purged incredible honeycomb.

I hope I explained myself a bit better.

 

[hishighness]

@Caligula is correct. Clean only matters when talking about the solvent. The whole point to a successful run is to extract the most of the plants natural medicinal value as possible.

I disagree that "clean" only refers to solvent. When talking about something you dab anything other than the pure cannabinoids/terps/anything that provides medicinal value I think counts as "residuals". By your definition even mediocre hash is "cleaner" than oil tested at 80% (since it contains no solvent at all!).

On amother note, your comment contradicts itself because you can't extract THC, you can only get thcx and thca which once activated become THC.

Guess I should have been more specific, as I said above "pure" wax would mean anything from the cannabis plant that "gets you high" (including CBD even though you might not feel it), I don't think anything in my post contradicts itself

Chlorophyll has nothing to do with anything except plants with higher levels of it usually run darker.

The chlorophyll doesn't have any medicinal value does it? The way I see it is the same as the salvia they sell in headshops (where it's just potpourri sprayed with the chemicals) - if there's no benefit to having it in there it's just unnecessary carcinogens in your lungs.

So all in all, the color being green, yellow, or brown so from what you understood was in fact incorrect. This isn't good wax, the is 100 hour purged incredible honeycomb.

I hope I explained myself a bit better.

Sorry something's just not quite clicking to me. You say "it's been purged for 100 hours"... well why is that a good thing? The longer you purge the more terps/THC you start to pull off as well. Honestly my problem with this statement is that it's commonly used by people who don't know what they're doing, they just hear "you wanna vac purge it" and then throw it in the chamber for a week without a clue about keeping it at 90*F, turning it over, spreading it thin, etc.

Again, no disrespect intended, I have no doubt that's some fire wax. My only qualm is that you say "chlorophyll doesn't matter" but I think that's just not true. Don't want to turn this thread into a big debate with walls of text but I definitely think this is an important topic to discuss

 

[Jared]

My two cents on chlorophyll is that if a large enough amount is present in your wax for it to have a visible green hue
it will not taste as good and will leave residue on your nail. That's from personal experience with BHO and QWISO.

 

[farscaper]

in truth.. everyone is right... and wrong

chlorophyll is actually extremely medicinal... is used for all types of healing benifits... it is even reported to cure bad breath...

but it does create an off flavor any time ive ended up with some in my concentrate... buuuuuut....

it is all up to the end user how they want their extract to look. and taste. you can totally use a tammy and not extract chlorophyll.... but becuase you cant see the process it makes it more difficult to prevent its inclusion if material is processed to long....

chlorophyll decomposes uppon boiling so when it hits the nail the first thing chlorophyll does is decompose and leave behind those 55 attached carbons. remember that chlorophyll is a chlorin pigment.... nit a volital terpene.

so the word "clean" is a little to subjective....

solvent free

chlorophyll impurity free

use those instead

edit: this is inteded in no way to address anyone specifically. more just a continuation of a scientifically grounded discussion. just in case my typing seemed in any way harsh I did not intend it as such... you guys are awesome to talk to!

 

[mvapes]

The fact that theres chlorophyll in it has nothing to do with anything as far as your high aside from it medical properties. CBD & CBN get you high but you don't feel it? What sense does that make? Unless your smoking Charlotte's Web all day of course.

If for any reason chlorophyll had any effect on the plant than grape ape, gdp, and other darker plants would taste like shit.

And, I don't know if your understanding something, vacuum purging at 90° makes no sense. Below 100 it gets to hard to release air pockets. That's why oil is so expensive. I have to sit there watching my temp because a few drops either way in temp under vacuum makes or breaks the load.

Residue on the nail is when its either too warm, it's tane soup, or there's an actually chunk of plant matter in the material.

It has nothing to do with color. Unless it's full of tane.

And @farscaper - your absolutely right. I did run it in tamisium plus through buchner.

 

[farscaper]

its hard to have a discussion with one who will not leave the high seat and converse on equal ground...

peace.

 

[Jared]

If for any reason chlorophyll had any effect on the plant than grape ape, gdp, and other darker plants would taste like shit.

Saying that over and over doesn't make it true. Chlorophyll definitely, 100%, without a doubt, no question, affects the taste. In my opinion negatively. Maybe not for others, but it definitely affects it. And like the guys below said grape ape gdp etc actually have less chlorophyll than others.

Source to back up my claim (other than tons of personal experience extracting.)

With water, comes water solubles, which includes chlorophyll and plant alkaloids, that detract from the taste, so the dance is to maintain the volatile terpenes, while studiously avoiding the water solubles.

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-extraction/

Residue on the nail is when its either too warm, it's tane soup, or there's an actually chunk of plant matter in the material.

Not true. Have you ever used alcohol to extract and let it sit a little too long before straining? Your oil will be nearly black there is so much chlorophyll and will taste awful/leave a lot of nasty residue on the nail. No butane involved and it has nothing to do with the heat of the nail.

It has nothing to do with color. Unless it's full of tane.

 

[farscaper]

it isnt chlorophyll that makes dark strains dark btw. that has to do with other pigments. chlorophyll only makes things green.

infact for your purps to really turn purp... chlorophyll production has to slow or stop.

 

[Patrick Hughes]

it isnt chlorophyll that makes dark strains dark btw. that has to do with other pigments. chlorophyll only makes things green.

infact for your purps to really turn purp... chlorophyll production has to slow or stop.

Yeah its just like the trees turning colors here in New England in the fall. The purple is there all the time, but the chlorophyll is present in such amounts to overwhelm it. When the plant gets the message that it's time to stop expressing the chlorophyll, the purple shows through. This definitely happens indoors with some strains, but is a little harder to do indoors since the grower is controlling all the environmental controls to maximize production instead of providing the exact natural conditions the plants would get outside. Many strains will turn purple near harvest if grown outdoors though.