Sapphire/Ruby Beads/Spheres for Concentrates
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Depends on the shape of the banger and the size of the beads. My 6mm beads spin great in my 25mm flat/cylinder quartz (the joint from the wall to the floor is a hard angle; not curved), but they rise up the walls if I pull hard sometimes. I think this has to do with the air between the beads and the meeting point of the wall and floor. This doesn't happen in my Obsidian dish, and I think the curvature of the wall-to-floor matching up with the radius of the bead (or at least closer than my quartz) is what makes that difference.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I've been using 5mm spheres in my 28mm NewVape SiC dish and have been loving them.
Definitely allows you to have more complete extraction at a lower temp.
I'm experimenting still, but usually use about 4 spheres in my Flowerpot Vrod. Just melt the dab onto the spheres, cap, and spin the cap.
Only downside to adding them to the Flowerpot, you have to be careful you don't forget they're in there! I've accidently launched hot ruby and sapphire spheres across the room! Melted to the carpet slightly, but not a big deal to clean up. I'm careful to always keep my Vrod horizontal now
For maintenance, just Qtipping the beads as best I can. I've cranked my Vrod up to 900 for 15 mins to do a burnoff. It definitely cleaned them up.
I'm also just using one of those glass containers concentrates get sold in to store the spheres. I can pour them directly between the container and the Vrod, so handling hot spheres isn't an issue.
That's really chrap compared to other sapphire dishes. Do you know if they had a minimum number dishes for a custom job like that?
I guess yes, in theory that is correct. But dealing with 4mm spheres seems like much more of a hassle. I picked up 2 4mm spheres along with my 8 5mm spheres. The 4mm spheres are still in the packaging, haven't felt the need to mess with them. The 5mm spheres just fit my 28mm NV SiC dish perfectly. In fact, they even fit my 25mm NV SiC dish.
Definitely allows you to have more complete extraction at a lower temp.
I'm experimenting still, but usually use about 4 spheres in my Flowerpot Vrod. Just melt the dab onto the spheres, cap, and spin the cap.
Only downside to adding them to the Flowerpot, you have to be careful you don't forget they're in there! I've accidently launched hot ruby and sapphire spheres across the room! Melted to the carpet slightly, but not a big deal to clean up. I'm careful to always keep my Vrod horizontal now
For maintenance, just Qtipping the beads as best I can. I've cranked my Vrod up to 900 for 15 mins to do a burnoff. It definitely cleaned them up.
I'm also just using one of those glass containers concentrates get sold in to store the spheres. I can pour them directly between the container and the Vrod, so handling hot spheres isn't an issue.
That's really chrap compared to other sapphire dishes. Do you know if they had a minimum number dishes for a custom job like that?
I guess yes, in theory that is correct. But dealing with 4mm spheres seems like much more of a hassle. I picked up 2 4mm spheres along with my 8 5mm spheres. The 4mm spheres are still in the packaging, haven't felt the need to mess with them. The 5mm spheres just fit my 28mm NV SiC dish perfectly. In fact, they even fit my 25mm NV SiC dish.
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Coinz
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100 unit minimum for $100 each for initial quote. Im sure I can talk them down for the units at same price.
MileHighHuman
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From experimenting ive found fewer beads that spin fast is better than having more beads that slower / don't spin at all.
ChurroForSure-O
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Was the dish around 9mm outer diameter and 8mm height by chance? I'm asking because after measuring, that seems to be a good Sai Ti bucket dish size.. I just sent an email asking for price on those type of measurements. Hopefully I'll hear back tomorrow.
Coinz
New Member
sorry man not sure for a Sai Ti bucket. I asked them for a dish for to use for the Liger Banger V3
Shooby
4ShOObY3 - IG
Try to talk them down to 25 pc MOQ. Whats gonna happen is you buy the first batch to learn you need to adjust some design issue to prevent cracking. Redesign and buy another batch to get it right.
But if he is charging you $100 for an insert. That must be a smaller diameter insert with thin walls, unpolished. Whats your dimensions? Unpolished is fine too.
As for the beads, i have used 25 beads at once, 25 beads on top of a 24mm sapphire insert, 14 beads in a sapphire insert and while more beads leads to more vapor, it also reduces the flavor a lot. If im dabbing some COTC shatter, ill use more beads as they taste like shit to begin with. but if im dabbing sauce or badder, i just use one or none. And the spheres dont even need to spin to be effective. Using a gordo does help the oil vape faster.
scalescliffs
cashed
So I had a similar, but distinctively different experience when testing different numbers of beads. Maybe it was placebo, but for me the best flavor was with 1-2 beads, and it seemed like the spinning was the difference. Maybe because it moves the terps upwards with the beads, and therefore away from the heat? I agree that having multiple in there reduces flavor, but I think that's more because of the fact that it isn't moving. and the more beads that are sitting, the more restriction between the bottom of the banger and the inlet. Thoughts? Anyone have a similar experience or am I alone with that theory?
Coinz
New Member
1-2 mm thick walls. Bottom thickness is 5-7mm. swissjewel told me it might cost double to get the dish polished.
Anyone tried out these nano beads?
https://constantgems.com/products/nano-ruby-pearls
I'm thinking about grabbing 50, but I'm worried that these will lose heat too fast. Then again, the increased efficiency may make the effect of that negligible. Thoughts? Here's a demo vid:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnADfE5n2mR/
https://constantgems.com/products/nano-ruby-pearls
I'm thinking about grabbing 50, but I'm worried that these will lose heat too fast. Then again, the increased efficiency may make the effect of that negligible. Thoughts? Here's a demo vid:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnADfE5n2mR/
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Those nano pearls do look interesting. Not a terrible price for a 50 pack either ($50). I just worry about losing them when they're that small!
Constant Gems also have a ruby or sapphire "steamroller" now:
Seen a few vids where people take 10 of the steamrollers, and stand them up in the banger. PillarsofDestruction or something they call it.
Not sure why the steamroller would be better than an equivalent weight in pearls. In fact, and equivalent weight in pearls would give more surface area than the steamrollers.
@Roth Thanks for the quote; I forgot to write about the nanos here!
The nanos are not what I was expecting, unfortunately. They DO increase nucleation significantly, but only for a very short period, after which they just become part of the mass cooling down your insert/banger. The size/mass of these allows them to cool down MUCH faster than the larger beads available. That being said, if you want to do a high-temperature dab, they are FANTASTIC. They're also really great for small dabs and cbd isolate.
Anyway, one of the main reasons to get a ruby insert is so that you can start the dab at a lower temperature, and that simply isn't possible with the nanos unless you're doing a nano dab. They're worth the money if you're expecting the right thing, bur you won't be satisfied if you're expecting them to retain heat for long.
I also have a ruby steamroller, and I have a sapphire steamroller and lens being delivered today!! Very excited to try the lens flat in a banger. The steamrollers are better than 6mm beads just because of the increased mass and therefore retention, but i don't have any larger ruby to compare with.
Yea they're IG stuff is interesting for sure; that pillars thing is ridiculous.... check this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZsk_mhp_j/?taken-by=dabbingmaniac323
The nanos are not what I was expecting, unfortunately. They DO increase nucleation significantly, but only for a very short period, after which they just become part of the mass cooling down your insert/banger. The size/mass of these allows them to cool down MUCH faster than the larger beads available. That being said, if you want to do a high-temperature dab, they are FANTASTIC. They're also really great for small dabs and cbd isolate.
Anyway, one of the main reasons to get a ruby insert is so that you can start the dab at a lower temperature, and that simply isn't possible with the nanos unless you're doing a nano dab. They're worth the money if you're expecting the right thing, bur you won't be satisfied if you're expecting them to retain heat for long.
I also have a ruby steamroller, and I have a sapphire steamroller and lens being delivered today!! Very excited to try the lens flat in a banger. The steamrollers are better than 6mm beads just because of the increased mass and therefore retention, but i don't have any larger ruby to compare with.
Yea they're IG stuff is interesting for sure; that pillars thing is ridiculous.... check this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZsk_mhp_j/?taken-by=dabbingmaniac323
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Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Good to know about the nanos, will save my money then.
When you say the steamroller is better than the 6mm beads, do you mean compared to 1 bead, or 3 or so beads? Not sure how many beads would equal the mass of the steamroller.
Curious to hear about your experiences with the lens, as that isn't a bad price at all. Would be pretty cool if we could get close to simulating a sapphire/ruby insert with a lens and some steamrollers/beads for a fraction of the cost.
And ya, that video is the exact one I saw with the pillars! That dude has got some serious iron lungs. I wonder it takes for him to even feel a buzz at this point!
I do wish Constant Gems would post the size of their gems. Would be nice to know the diameter of their different items.
VAPEHUNTER
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Do they say what size the "pearls" or "nano pearls" are?
@Roth @VAPEHUNTER I have no idea how small the nanos are; I would say 1.5-2mm diameter.
The steamrollers are about the same radius as my 6mm beads, and it's very similar to 3 6mm beads next to each other, but with a bit more mass filling in the gaps. I like having the roller in the center with a 6mm on each side, and when I rotate my cap the beads go up and down within their channel and the roller rocks back and forth about 20 degrees each side, and while this is on going all of them rotate in unison about 40 degrees per rotation with the cap. Unless you're trying to get spinning action, I would take a steamroller over 3x 6mm but with small dabs you won't notice a difference. A larger constant mass will always be the most efficient choice
The steamrollers are about the same radius as my 6mm beads, and it's very similar to 3 6mm beads next to each other, but with a bit more mass filling in the gaps. I like having the roller in the center with a 6mm on each side, and when I rotate my cap the beads go up and down within their channel and the roller rocks back and forth about 20 degrees each side, and while this is on going all of them rotate in unison about 40 degrees per rotation with the cap. Unless you're trying to get spinning action, I would take a steamroller over 3x 6mm but with small dabs you won't notice a difference. A larger constant mass will always be the most efficient choice
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
How are the steamrollers still treating you? Get a chance to experiment with the lenses yet?
I see they have a big 12 karat ruby "star" now as well, for 30mm bangers.
Been thinking about picking up a steamroller to add to my collection. Especially while they're doing a bunch of giveaways with every order. Right now, with every order you get the gem grabber, a 5 pack of nano pearls, and a random gem.
Kanna_Kult
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Has anyone tried these things in a halo style nail? I don't have a quartz banger or a liger nor do I plan on buying one anytime soon, I do have a dnail slim with a sic halo, can I use any of the spheres with that? If so what size do you y'all think would work best? Do they cause a lot of splash? I'm already trying to find ways to keep my carb cap cleaner as it is.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Yes, you can use some spheres in your Halo. 5mm is the size you're looking for. No, I have not experienced my carb cap getting messier when using the 5mm spheres in my Flowerpot Vrod, but can't say what it will do with yours.
Kanna_Kult
Well-Known Member
Thank you so much that is incredibly helpful! I'll order some and repeat back. Any flavor difference between the sapphire and ruby?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Nope, not that I've ever noticed. Enjoy!
Kanna_Kult
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Also does anyone have a preferred vendor for them? I just want one 5mm bead, I imagine my LHS might carry them too, I'm gonna check there too
StormyPinkness
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I'm getting a quote for 5 x 5mm and 3 x 7.9375mm sapphire spheres from swissjewel. Can't wait to try them out in my opaque bottom banger and sic halo.