Sapphire and Ruby inserts for bangers

[alittledabwilldoya']

Check it out, new R.E.M. (Rare Earth Minerals) inserts in Sapphire and Ruby from Nautilus Glass:

https://nautilusglass.com/products

https://www.instagram.com/sonnumberfour/

They are designed to be used in quartz bangers and torched!
They claim thermal shock is only an issue on cool down (don't dunk them in ISO or H2O when hot).
The ruby insert, which is red (duh), turns black to indicate sufficient heating and then when it gets down to dabbing temperature turns back to red.
Not sure what these temps are.

It's nice to see another player besides DNail, and CCA710 entering into the rare earth inserts.

Ruby insert pic: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgpv9SZlVqR/?taken-by=sonnumberfour
More info: https://www.instagram.com/adapt_tech/​

 

[Shooby]

I think i may try the 18mm Sapphire adapter in the future when its readily available. A 25mm Coil from Disorderly Conduction should arrive today and I will pick up a HE Gavel when my Classic Kubeone arrives.

I found a old china thermal banger that the CCA 20mm sapphire insert fit inside perfectly. I used a torch and the taste was awesome. No metal, all glass is whats up!.

Now, i need a 35mm quartz bucket and coil to fit the 30mm CCA sapphire insert inside off.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

I think i may try the 18mm Sapphire adapter in the future when its readily available. A 25mm Coil from Disorderly Conduction should arrive today and I will pick up a HE Gavel when my Classic Kubeone arrives.

I found a old china thermal banger that the CCA 20mm sapphire insert fit inside perfectly. I used a torch and the taste was awesome. No metal, all glass is whats up!.

Now, i need a 35mm quartz bucket and coil to fit the 30mm CCA sapphire insert inside off.

So, no issues torching the sapphire insert?
Did you have the insert in the banger prior to torching or torch the banger and drop in the insert?
Better taste than the Liger, better clouds too?

If you're getting a Gavel anyway, maybe look at this package deal from Gordoscientific:

https://gordoscientific.net/collections/home-page/products/gavel-v2

Their new GTR caps get lots of hype. (I like the old school Riptide caps and the GTR looks like an upgrade).

 

[Shooby]

So, no issues torching the sapphire insert?
Did you have the insert in the banger prior to torching or torch the banger and drop in the insert?
Better taste than the Liger, better clouds too?

If you're getting a Gavel anyway, maybe look at this package deal from Gordoscientific:

https://gordoscientific.net/collections/home-page/products/gavel-v2

Their new GTR caps get lots of hype. (I like the old school Riptide caps and the GTR looks like an upgrade).

so i put the 20mm cca sapp in side the china thermo banger. its 18mm ID inside the banger and the sapp insert is only 16.50mm. This sapphire has a crack in it so i didnt really care if something happened. I used a Newport torch and heat it up to 900F using a IR gun. waited until it was about 450F ish to drop my dab and cap. I DID NOT heat the sapphire insert directly at all. I kept the torch moving around constantly on the sides.

I saw the combo for $300. Maybe my only way to get it too since the GTR is always sold out. I love the riptide bubble cap for the 20mm as that is my go to cap for that banger and possibly all bangers until i get that GTR. I just like the GTR cuz of the option to add additional air flow if wanted. I have been using the Coojo cap on my first rip and i switch to the wierdeer cap for finishing up the dab. Coojo has a smaller carb hole.

My goal is to find a nice 35mm quartz banger with 2mm walls that i can use with a 35mm coil from MiniNail. With that banger size, i should be able to fit the 30mm cca sapphire inside leaving 1mm for tolerance for heat expansion.

This way, i can have an quartz banger connected to an enail with a sapphire insert inside. Basically replacing the Liger Ti bangers.

When i get a 18mm sapphire adapter for the gavel and if i really like it, i will definitely get the 24mm sapphire adapter for the 30mm quartz bangers.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

... I have been using the Coojo cap on my first rip and i switch to the wierdeer cap for finishing up the dab. Coojo has a smaller carb hole.

Haha, that's my standard capping practice as well.
I have two caps from coojoglass; one tight, one open.
Restricted cap for first hit, open for clean-up.

Excited to hear more about your sapphire insert experiments.

 

[invertedisdead]

These would be perfect for hooking up to a 25mm coil!

 

[Shooby]

yea.. I am excited about these. I dont think i care much for the ruby ones. I def. want to try the 18mm sapphire when its readily available. Or are these custom made with a 4-6 week lead time?

Until then, I will be using the CCA 17mm Obsidian and 16.5mm cracked sapphire inside the HE Gavel banger once my classic kubeone arrives. The Main difference between the CCA sapphire and these nautilus sapphires walls are an extra 1-2mm thicker.

Dam Augusthaus... He created a label on 4/30 but hasnt got the package to UPS. This is giving me a week of blue balls! I want to get my experimenting going. I almost want to buy a cheap PID that uses Dnail coils.

 

[invertedisdead]

Sapphire and Ruby have the same composition and structure so they should have identical thermal properties. Alumina ceramic (divine tribe v3, Puffco peak, etc) is also Al203 but not structured in the same crystalline lattice which gives it different thermal properties.

It's cool the Ruby has temperature indication like a Whitney Harmon thermochromic banger, but I feel these beauties are definitely going to be best served with a proper temperature controlled PID!

 

[Shooby]

Sapphire and Ruby have the same composition and structure so they should have identical thermal properties. Alumina ceramic (divine tribe v3, Puffco peak, etc) is also Al203 but not structured in the same crystalline lattice which gives it different thermal properties.

It's cool the Ruby has temperature indication like a Whitney Harmon thermochromic banger, but I feel these beauties are definitely going to be best served with a proper temperature controlled PID!

If Ruby and Sapphire is the same composition, than the taste should be the same too. I Rather spend $750 on both sapphire adapters than $650 on just one 24mm Ruby just for the color. Im not a big fan of heady and color glass. Thats just me.

Paying $350 is basically along the same price as other sapphires that are available.

Wouldnt using a WH Thermochromic banger with a PID be almost be a waste since the coils would cover the most of the color. Even using a Ruby adapter with inside a banger wrapped with a coil seems like a waste. unless i am missing something and please educate me as I am about to enter the world of nice quartz bangers very very soon. Starting with the HE gavel next week followed by a nice flat top 30mm by Toro or i dont know actually cuz i cant find the toro in 30mm easily.

 

[Shooby]

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[invertedisdead]

Wouldnt using a WH Thermochromic banger with a PID be almost be a waste since the coils would cover the most of the color. Even using a Ruby adapter with inside a banger wrapped with a coil seems like a waste. unless i am missing something and please educate me as I am about to enter the world of nice quartz bangers very very soon. Starting with the HE gavel next week followed by a nice flat top 30mm by Toro or i dont know actually cuz i cant find the toro in 30mm easily.

Yes, not to mention the color change on the WH is for indicating a torch temperature, with a PID you have a way more consistent temperature with the controller so you wouldn't use that color anyways.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

Not cheap, but this Mayoral could be a good fit for Liger 30mm inserts:

https://quartzshop.net/collections/all/products/40mm-flat-top

Not quite sure where one would get a coil, although IIRC Disorderly Conduct does custom orders for coils.

 

[invertedisdead]

Not sure how big the sidewalls are but @Justpassedu just got a 35mm Galaxy quartz enail that could possibly fit the Liger insert?

 

[Shooby]

Not cheap, but this Mayoral could be a good fit for Liger 30mm inserts:

https://quartzshop.net/collections/all/products/40mm-flat-top

Not quite sure where one would get a coil, although IIRC Disorderly Conduct does custom orders for coils.

I should be getting the 30mm XXL coil and banger with my my kubeone but I do want a nice 30. I'll look into the mayoral. Thanks.

Not sure how big the sidewalls are but @Justpassedu just got a 35mm Galaxy quartz enail that could possibly fit the Liger insert?

I'm gonna have to look this up and find out the side walls. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[gunmetalshark]

..This way, i can have an quartz banger connected to an enail with a sapphire insert inside. Basically replacing the Liger Ti bangers...

uhhh..i liiike where this is heading
Rly interessted now if the 30mm Liger insert will fit into the 30mm AH Coil...were you able to verify trough August already ?

Also interesstend in a Gavel/GTR Combo but i would also want to use it with a coil and am too afraid fitting one on such a $ Banger.. :/

 

[Shooby]

To use a CCA 30mm sapphire, you would need a 35mm bucket with 2mm walls leaving you an inch of tolerance for heat expansion.

The CCA 30mm sap is really 29.5mm, plus 4mm walls leaves you with 33.5mm and 1.5mm of tolerance. MininMin had a 35mm coil available which is why I'm heading towards this direction. I would need a 24mm sapphire for a 30mm banger and coil

The gavel is one of the best bangers to use for an insert as it retains heat the best.

 

[gunmetalshark]

Hmm..just talked to Ehle if they could do me a custom Banger but they dont do Quartz Glass as it needs special equip. and skills to work on

Heat retaintion should not play a role when using an enail i guess so i think i will start looking for a enail quartz banger that accepts the 20mm (16,5) buckets

edit.

Now i wonder if Ehle should give it a try in boro, since using it with an enail their would not be that crazy temp. changes all time which would lead boro the crack fast normally..i also could send them a spare coil and one of my inserts...

 

[ensabbahnur]

Hmm..just talked to Ehle if they could do me a custom Banger but they dont do Quartz Glass as it needs special equip. and skills to work on

Heat retaintion should not play a role when using an enail i guess so i think i will start looking for a enail quartz banger that accepts the 20mm (16,5) buckets

edit.

Now i wonder if Ehle should give it a try in boro, since using it with an enail their would not be that crazy temp. changes all time which would lead boro the crack fast normally..i also could send them a spare coil and one of my inserts...

Boro is still going to expand and contract relatively much more then quartz, might not just outright crack but you'll no doubt have to be extra careful with your coil setup but in the long run quartz is used for bangers for a reason.


Also face palm @ sapphire and ruby being the same materials, not even taking the trade laws that define what a ruby is in to account.....also the 3 different brands of sapphire gear Ive seen in person, added to my reading around the net tells me that there are several methods in use for making synthetic sapphire and Im pretty sure that each method, especially sintering, results in an obviously different material structure. Am I saying these guys are not using the exact same procedure for both (albeit with different ingredients), not at all, just correcting a certainly untrue generalization.

 

[biohacker]

Also face palm @ sapphire and ruby being the same materials

What do you imply by this? From my understand they are exactly the same materials and structure like @invertedisdead indicated. The only differences are slight impurities which results in either red, or blue?

 

[ensabbahnur]

What do you imply by this? From my understand they are exactly the same materials and structure like @invertedisdead indicated. The only differences are slight impurities which results in either red, or blue?

exactly /= slight differences due to impurity. The chemical notation is different....boro and quartz are the same composition most times and are hardly the same......The literal definition of a ruby is the threshold of the impurities that change it from a pink sapphire to a properly defined ruby. Im just saying if trade laws were made to define the difference, maybe there is one?

a hamburger with cheese is only still a hamburger if you're being imprecise IMO

Again, I'm not saying these specific inserts have diff structure/thermal properties, I am saying they have different ingredients and just correcting the misconception ruby and sapphire are the same thing.

 

[biohacker]

. Im just saying if trade laws were made to define the difference, maybe there is one?

I'm just saying that it's the exact same mineral, just different colours due to trace impurities.

 

[invertedisdead]

If the structure was different then the end result simply would not be a sapphire or a ruby. These gemstones are defined by their purity.

Your goofy cheeseburger semantics are surely confusing and have little to do with the thermal properties of crystalline Al203.

 

[ensabbahnur]

If the structure was different then the end result simply would not be a sapphire or a ruby.

Your goofy cheeseburger semantics are not a good analogy.

So CCAs and dnails sapphire are the same thing....lol ok

Its weird that literally everywhere I look, wiki, encyclopedias, dictionaries ALL define them as clearly different, if you guys wanna keep being sloppy in your definitions then go for it.

The cheeseburger analogy is PERFECT, the same exact composition, with 1 additional element changes everything, stomping your feet and saying "no a cheeseburger is still a hamburger" is like saying a woman is just a man....while "correct" by some loose interpretation of definition.....its still wrong. There are many materials that can form different internal structures and still be the same thing, SIC quickly comes to mind, and frankly so does sapphire. If you want to further get wild and break it down to whats sapphire, sapphire glass and alumina ceramics.....good luck finding a definitive word on that.

 

[invertedisdead]

Again, I'm not saying these specific inserts have diff structure/thermal properties, I am saying they have different ingredients and just correcting the misconception ruby and sapphire are the same thing.

Bro you gotta stop misquoting me and we wouldn't have this confusion.

Sapphire and Ruby have the same composition and structure so they should have identical thermal properties.

So CCAs and dnails sapphire are the same thing....lol ok

Its weird that literally everywhere I look, wiki, encyclopedias, dictionaries ALL define them as clearly different, if you guys wanna keep being sloppy in your definitions then go for it.

I'm not sure how else to put this, it's either sapphire or it's not. IMO calling a synthetic lab stone a "rare earth mineral" as Nautilus does is a bit esoterically comical too but oh well.

 

[ensabbahnur]

No confusion on my part, I understand what the difference is between things.

These gemstones are defined by their purity.

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Im glad you finally agree with me that they are obviously different, thats all I was saying. add chromium, get a ruby, no chromium, sapphire. Different ingredients, different gems. Going in circles for no reason.

Edit: I was going to do it anyways for something else but Im going to take 2 different examples of CCAs saph (diff weights and visual composition) and 2 examples of dnails saph (halo and saph insert) down to a licensed gemologist (NV has a nauseating amount of pawn shops, gotta love gambling) and have him lay it all out for us as this isn't the first time Ive read/been part of similar arguments and Id rather be wrong (betting I'm not) and learn whats correct then keep going back and forth to no avail.