Saionara Atomizer thread

[btka]

So after I own now a dabpress 10 ton which I am very happy of...
I need something mobile to use my rosin...

so as far as I read the sai taf is the real thing?

I have a linx hypnos vape pen... what would be the difference in performance will the sai taf easily outperform the linx in regards to vapor clouds, taste, clenable, portable ...

How much rosin do you load in sai taf...

what should I buy for the sai taf accesories (quartz bucket and so on...)

is this the sai taf people are recommending what extras should I get?

https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/saionara-taf-titanium-atomizer

should I buy a pico eleaf istick or this EZ Battery for the Saionara Atomizer (https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/ez-battery) and do I need a heat sink (https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/saionara-heat-sink)

 

[dingotrader]

So after I own now a dabpress 10 ton which I am very happy of...
I need something mobile to use my rosin...

so as far as I read the sai taf is the real thing?

I have a linx hypnos vape pen... what would be the difference in performance will the sai taf easily outperform the linx in regards to vapor clouds, taste, clenable, portable ...

How much rosin do you load in sai taf...

what should I buy for the sai taf accesories (quartz bucket and so on...)

is this the sai taf people are recommending what extras should I get?

https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/saionara-taf-titanium-atomizer

should I buy a pico eleaf istick or this EZ Battery for the Saionara Atomizer (https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/ez-battery) and do I need a heat sink (https://verdampftnochmal.de/products/en/saionara-heat-sink)

Yes that is the top airflow sai we are discussing. I am using the titanium bucket, some people perfer the quartz bucket or the coils.

I am running a Pico 75W with 3000 mAh batteries. 1000 mAh and you'll be recharging a few times a day depending on use. I'm sure others can suggest similar/better than the Pico.

I am using the heatsink as it does get quite warm after several uses.

I highly recomreco the Arctic Fox firmware and SAI TAF profile. It gives you the ability to hold the button and it will regulate the temp/wattage for long hits and no pulsing. I've also been able to lower the temps far lower than stock firmware while getting big clouds.

I did order the posiden v2 bubbler attachment and divine tribe directional carb cap. Can't comment on that as of yet.

 

[MyCollie]

So after I own now a dabpress 10 ton w
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I have a linx hypnos vape pen... what would be the difference in performance will the sai taf easily outperform the linx in regards to vapor clouds, taste, clenable, portable ...

I have used the Linx Hypnos and Linx Blaze...I own the Blaze. I don’t have the Sai but I do have the Hvt Sequoia. So, not exactly the same setup as what you’re inquiring about but pretty close. Once you get your mod dialed in to the right settings for the whatever you’re using (ceramic, Ti quartz, Ti, quartz bucket, Ti, etc.) your Sai will crush the Hypnos. No comparison. The Sai is less of a vape pen and more of a portable rig setup.

I tried some shatter in the Blaze and was pleasantly high for a bit. For a pen it’s great but it isn’t a portable mini rig.

I put the same amount, size of a small piece of rice or a part of one, in both the quartz bucket/dish and triple Ti quartz and fiddled with it. Much better. I followed suggested settings the second time and took two big hits. It felt as though i had completely melted my face off. I was numb all over and ruined an entire day.

I use the VooPoo Drag 2 but now wish I had the Espion just for the Arctic Fox software. The Drag has Windows software which I run on a VM. It’s good too but I don’t know if I can save different profiles on it. That would be helpful.

If it matters I’m going to order a Sai for a few reasons. Also, The Sequoia gets a bit hot but maybe I’m running it too high. Probably user error on my part.

 

[shredder]

Just wanted to add I'm using the ceramic donuts and get 3 days per charge. And even though I have a heat sink, it's not needed for the donut coils. It doesn't get very hot.

My settings are locked in my 75w istick pico at 300F and 30 watts. It heats fast and delivers tasty hit after tasty hit.

Puff it up has the sai with the istick pico with the battery for $59 until 4/20

 

[dingotrader]

Just wanted to add I'm using the ceramic donuts and get 3 days per charge. And even though I have a heat sink, it's not needed for the donut coils. It doesn't get very hot.

My settings are locked in my 75w istick pico at 300F and 30 watts. It heats fast and delivers tasty hit after tasty hit.

Puff it up has the sai with the istick pico with the battery for $59 until 4/20

I definitely like the donuts over the coils and get better results. No matter the setup I blow through batteries (and concentrates) like water. Lol

 

[shredder]

I definitely like the donuts over the coils and get better results. No matter the setup I blow through batteries (and concentrates) like water. Lol

Ya, I should have mentioned that my sai is my daily driver, but I only use about two dabs a day. In the evening I vape herb with my wife.

One or two pulls every few hours is my norm. At my rate the battery lasts me a long time.

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

@dingotrader ,
Try TCR 315 @ 38 watts on room temp resistance, with that Arctic Fox.
I and others have found it to be the best performance.
Won't hit as hammer-like as ni-200 setting, but an overall better experience.
Enjoy your setup with your new firmware !

 

[dingotrader]

@dingotrader ,
Try TCR 315 @ 38 watts on room temp resistance, with that Arctic Fox.
I and others have found it to be the best performance.
Won't hit as hammer-like as ni-200 setting, but an overall better experience.
Enjoy your setup with your new firmware !

The SAI TAF profile I am using is TCR 315 Hits like a train.

 

[Jory K]

I’m running it in TC mode per Vic’s instructions. 50W at 500F is what he recommended.

In power mode what is your preferred wattage with the quartz bucket?

I just got my sequoia in yesterday and called Vic and he told me to run it in TC, ni mode at 28watts and 450-500f, but I haven't had a chance to try that coil yet. I have tried the titanium skillet and have had a lot of issues with it. What settings are everyone using for the Seauoia titanium skillet? I'm running it on a Voopoo Drag I just got from Vic as well with his Sequoia 420 Special kit with Posiden bubbler, so I could really use some help setting it is as well as I'm moving from an erig to a atomizer/bubbler and mod setup.

Hi, I'm just got a Voopoo drag and a taf Sequoia in yesterday and could really use some help with setting it up properly. I have a titanium and quartz bucket as well as the 3x titanium w black ceramic and the 13mm regular/not taf doughnut coil for it. I also have a heat sink and a Posiden bubbler.
I tried to get it setup with the ti skillet, but had really poor results. Any and all hell will greatly be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[btka]

Yes that is the top airflow sai we are discussing. I am using the titanium bucket, some people perfer the quartz bucket or the coils.

I am running a Pico 75W with 3000 mAh batteries. 1000 mAh and you'll be recharging a few times a day depending on use. I'm sure others can suggest similar/better than the Pico.

I am using the heatsink as it does get quite warm after several uses.

I highly recomreco the Arctic Fox firmware and SAI TAF profile. It gives you the ability to hold the button and it will regulate the temp/wattage for long hits and no pulsing. I've also been able to lower the temps far lower than stock firmware while getting big clouds.

I did order the posiden v2 bubbler attachment and divine tribe directional carb cap. Can't comment on that as of yet.

which sai taf profile should I download and where?

https://humboldtvapetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Sequoia-TAF-Cap.jpg

what is the part in the lefz for... think I have to screw it in the cap... for what it is good?

 

[shredder]

which sai taf profile should I download and where?

https://humboldtvapetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Sequoia-TAF-Cap.jpg

what is the part in the lefz for... think I have to screw it in the cap... for what it is good?

The the part on the left is a baffle you put in when using the bottom air and not the taf. I have it in and I'm using the ceramic donuts, with the top air flow closed.

Can't help with the download, I haven't done it myself.

 

[btka]

I am a toatal noob... sai taf ti bucket... and pico eleaf istick with arctic fox
what is better tc mode or wattage (power) mode... what is the difference?

I am using arctic fox tcf ni 0.75 ohm 220 celsius (420 f) top airflow very restricted (a quater of air inlet hole is open)
bottom airflow complety closed... I load rosin rice corn size ... after pushing the power button for 10 sec. I begin to draw 10 to 20 sec. vapor is not very dense (I like thick vapor) and I have to cough a lot... is this how the sai works? would I get denser or not so harsh vapor from quartz cup... should I change my settings for tc mode or is wattage mode better...

how do you use your sai taf (ti bucket)... air inlets? tc mode? wattage mode? which settings? sl7w draw/fast draw... how much rosin to load?

 

[shredder]

I am a toatal noob... sai taf ti bucket... and pico eleaf istick with arctic fox
what is better tc mode or wattage (power) mode... what is the difference?

I am using arctic fox tcf ni 0.75 ohm 220 celsius (420 f) top airflow very restricted (a quater of air inlet hole is open)
bottom airflow complety closed... I load rosin rice corn size ... after pushing the power button for 10 sec. I begin to draw 10 to 20 sec. vapor is not very dense (I like thick vapor) and I have to cough a lot... is this how the sai works? would I get denser or not so harsh vapor from quartz cup... should I change my settings for tc mode or is wattage mode better...

how do you use your sai taf (ti bucket)... air inlets? tc mode? wattage mode? which settings? sl7w draw/fast draw... how much rosin to load?

You could go back a few pages and read some of this thread. There is some info you might find helpful.

I wish I could help more, but I gave up on the buckets after I tried the donut coils. I'm very happy with them.

At first I tried the ceramic heater for a bucket by itself. It's a ceramic heater like the donuts.The taste was much better, so I bought more donuts.

For what it's worth, I use the bottom air flow and am locked in at 30 watts and 300F. And I load large dabs about 3 times as big as a grain of rice. This will last me all day.

 

[btka]

I've done a lot of reading on these forums over the years and have run a lot of different EGO style pens. I'm now running a Pico 75W + SAI Ti bucket TAF. I've been using this setup for about a year or so. Roughly 4 months ago I installed Arctic Fox + SAI TAF profile and it's night and day. Huge clouds on low heat, 37 watts @ 260 degrees using Raw Garden concentrates. I just bought the poseidon v2 for a little upgrade.

For cleaning I usually just use a dry q-tip and heat the bucket a bit. If there is any minor carbon build up I'll add a single drop of water, boil it in the bucket and scrub out with a q-tip. I'll run the hot q-tip around the o-rings to clean them off as well. A little coconut oil on the rings to keep them from breaking down as quickly and easier to get the top off, plus cleans off any extra reclaim.

Every so often (since I have a tendency to over fill the bucket) I'll take the whole thing apart, set o-rings aside, put into a glass container with ISO, putting that container into another container of hot water to heat the ISO and break down the residue. Q-tip/toothpick to get everything nice and clean. I'll let it dry for a few hours, then run a hot hair dryer over it, then back on the Pico and fire it a few times to get rid of any ISO residue. A little anal I know.

where can I download this profile for sai?

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

I’m running it in TC mode per Vic’s instructions. 50W at 500F is what he recommended.

In power mode what is your preferred wattage with the quartz bucket?

No, and no.

You do not want to run the Sai TAF in power mode at 50 watts, unless you like purchasing new coils often.

The 'recommended' setting, as per your Sai TAF box, is ni-200 (nickel) @ 40 watts and 400 F.
However, my recommendation is TCR #315, 40watts, 380 F.
My coil has so far lasted about oh 5 months or so ?
Long smooth draw hits, evenly heated, perfect action.

Hope this helps !

By the way, @btka , it says you're a 'well-known member'..... you SHOULD know to READ the thread for your answers to whatever questions you may have....

I've stated to use TCR #315 at 40 watts, 380 F, about 8 times now.
Never use power mode, unless you enjoy purchasing coils often.

I'd suggest a water tool attachment for your Sai to reduce your coughing.
Also makes the taste oh so wonderful.
There are two right now, one sold by puffitup.com , and one sold by humboldvapetech.com .

Are you new to oil ? It does usually make one cough a bit.
The water tool, to me, is a MUST with the Sai TAF.
Also, don't worry about what a few people have to say about the buckets. They work wonderfully if you USE THEM CORRECTLY.
I've explained how numerous times, and so have others.

Take a SAI of releif, and ingest that oil !

 

[btka]

By the way, @btka , it says you're a 'well-known member'..... you SHOULD know to READ the thread for your answers to whatever questions you may have....

I've stated to use TCR #315 at 40 watts, 380 F, about 8 times now.
Never use power mode, unless you enjoy purchasing coils often.

I'd suggest a water tool attachment for your Sai to reduce your coughing.
Also makes the taste oh so wonderful.
There are two right now, one sold by puffitup.com , and one sold by humboldvapetech.com .

Are you new to oil ? It does usually make one cough a bit.
The water tool, to me, is a MUST with the Sai TAF.
Also, don't worry about what a few people have to say about the buckets. They work wonderfully if you USE THEM CORRECTLY.
I've explained how numerous times, and so have others.

Take a SAI of releif, and ingest that oil !

I was very busy... so I did not had the time to read all....

ok tried your settings as far as I understood them, I am not familiar with mods and so...

I use arctic fox:

power setting: is 40W,
Powestep 0.1 watt (could change to 1 watt?),
preheat type : Absolute (W))
prehaeat power: 40 W
preheat time: 0s
preheat delay: 0s
restistance: 0,71 ohm locked
mode: temp. control
coil material: TCR 315,
temperature: 380 F,
temeperature step 10 F (could also set to 2 F?)
Temperature dominant: Yes

worked great ...
is this the right setting (the setting you also have)?

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

worked great ...
is this the right setting (the setting you also have)?

Make sure you're not in wattage mode. However, as far as I can tell,

Yep, that's it !!
That's the setting many of us use for our Sai TAF, with great results !

I personally have it set to 2F steps, but makes no difference, 380 is where you want it .

So, also, read back to see how to maintenance/ clean your Sai .

If you have any questions, you can post them here or direct message me.

Enjoy !

 

[dingotrader]

I see a few questions about the profile I'm using for my SAI TAF. Not sure if I am allowed to post links, so apologies in advance.

reddit.com/r/Waxpen/comments/98hlip/sai_seq_dtv3_and_triton_arctic_foxred_panda/

The AF build is one before the newest.

My setup. SAI TAF Ti bucket (bought from Humboldt) + AF and profile from above.
TCR 315 mode, 38 watts @ 260F.
Airflow choked at 50%, though 25%-ish is a bit better. I get some nice clouds. You could bump the watts to 40 and temp to 280-320F to get bigger clouds. I use a Poseidon v2 at night to really cloud it up. My tolerance is getting too high lol. 10 grams left in the fridge, getting low! Lol

I use a lab/micro spatula to load my concentrates. I use live resin/sauces that have botanical and cannabis terps. I heat the bucket and swirl the concentrate in it for a second or two to reduce the bubbling/over flow.

Hope this helps.

 

[Jory K]

Yes that is the top airflow sai we are discussing. I am using the titanium bucket, some people perfer the quartz bucket or the coils.

I am running a Pico 75W with 3000 mAh batteries. 1000 mAh and you'll be recharging a few times a day depending on use. I'm sure others can suggest similar/better than the Pico.

I am using the heatsink as it does get quite warm after several uses.

I highly recomreco the Arctic Fox firmware and SAI TAF profile. It gives you the ability to hold the button and it will regulate the temp/wattage for long hits and no pulsing. I've also been able to lower the temps far lower than stock firmware while getting big clouds.

I did order the posiden v2 bubbler attachment and divine tribe directional carb cap. Can't comment on that as of yet.

Hi, can you use the Posiden v2 bubbler with a directional carb cap? Thanks n

 

[Kubs]

Hello, I am getting the sai taf with titanium and quartz buckets and was wondering about what tcr value I should use? I have the smok mag and ni mode only has tcr option between 400-800. Thanks.

 

[Jory K]

Good Luck getting the buckets to work properly. If you do please let me in on the trick. All mine do is pool the oil to the sides (the Quartz buxket is even convex) and burn around the edges of the bucket.
I've had my setup (VooPoo Drag, TAF, both buckets, a donut and a 3x ti w/black ceramic, and a Posiden bubbler) since the middle of last month, and the only coil I can get to work properly out of the ones I have is the triple titanium w/ black ceramic (which is absolutely amazing in TC, but being as each of the three coils can absorb up to .10 grams it certainly isn't easy on your concentrates, or wallet for that matter. Lol. Although I must say that having the ability to vape up to 1/3 gram wax in one hit is pretty fucking badass if you ask me. ...it's dropped more than one of my friends to their knees. Hahaha!!!
...if you figure out anything with settings for the buckfets please let me know and I'll do the same. Thanks

 

[shredder]

Good Luck getting the buckets to work properly. If you do please let me in on the trick. All mine do is pool the oil to the sides (the Quartz buxket is even convex) and burn around the edges of the bucket.
I've had my setup (VooPoo Drag, TAF, both buckets, a donut and a 3x ti w/black ceramic, and a Posiden bubbler) since the middle of last month, and the only coil I can get to work properly out of the ones I have is the triple titanium w/ black ceramic (which is absolutely amazing in TC, but being as each of the three coils can absorb up to .10 grams it certainly isn't easy on your concentrates, or wallet for that matter. Lol. Although I must say that having the ability to vape up to 1/3 gram wax in one hit is pretty fucking badass if you ask me. ...it's dropped more than one of my friends to their knees. Hahaha!!!
...if you figure out anything with settings for the buckfets please let me know and I'll do the same. Thanks

For the donut coil, I like 30w and 290F on temperature control for rosin.

Very nice taste, but less lung buster hits.

Btw I never got the buckets to work for me either. Although I did get really buzzed trying, I will say that. I tried the donuts and never looked back. It's a much more relaxed experience.

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

Good Luck getting the buckets to work properly

Btw I never got the buckets to work for me either

Ummm
You guys really need to read this thread... go back to the beginning... and read thru it.
Take the time to learn this equipment, and it will perform wonderfully for you.
Most of us have terrific results with the buckets.
A lot of us have posted here about how we use them.
I really don't see what the difficulty is, but, no product works right for every single human being.
That said, it's pretty simple to operate.
Perhaps not enuff material, or too much. Read the thread.

 

[shredder]

Ummm
You guys really need to read this thread... go back to the beginning... and read thru it.
Take the time to learn this equipment, and it will perform wonderfully for you.
Most of us have terrific results with the buckets.
A lot of us have posted here about how we use them.
I really don't see what the difficulty is, but, no product works right for every single human being.
That said, it's pretty simple to operate.
Perhaps not enuff material, or too much. Read the thread.

You may not believe this but I did read the thread. Perhaps if you read my posts they document my experience.

You may find the buckets aren't for everyone. For me the ti bucket tastes like ti, a metalic taste I'm sensitive to, and the quartz bucket leaked and made a mess. Others in this thread have reported similar issues.

However I love the ceramic donut coils. Much better taste imho. The taste lasts as well. I can load a lot more and it lasts me a lot longer. Plus my mod no longer needs a heat sink because it doesn't get hot. And I only charge every 3 days because the coils use less power when their not heating buckets. What's not to love?

Cleaning coils? I wait until I get 5-6 dirty coils and clean up is in minutes. Not as fast as the buckets I admit, but still no biggy.

I just don't understand why more folks aren't posting here, because I know quite a few people know about sai's. Maybe it's the thread itself because posts sure fell off for some reason.

 

[DJ Colonel Corn]

@shredder , I think part of the problem is the repetition.
Same questions are asked over and over, same answers, same comments.
The Sai TAF really isn't so complicated, so there isn't much left to say about it, I guess.
Most of us are happy with it, find it easy, and have no questions.
I think almost every possible question has been asked.

Perhaps we should talk about possible improvements to the Sai, or where we go from here.