Roffu vs GTS

[endof3d]

Thanks, I expect I will prefer MTL given my smoking experience. Is there a vape/vapes geared toward MTL that meets my criteria?

People in this forum are passionate about their preferences in choices of vapes. Hence why there are so many post in this forum My personal favorites are FW 7, Davinci IQ2, and Dynavap with a torch or induction heater. My newest purchase will be a Vestratto when my name comes up.
All fit my personal preference. The rest just sit on a shelf.

If your looking to keep your tolerance/consumption down, being able to micro doze would be something to consider. Size of bowl, available dosing capsules for a unit etc. might be worth while to think about when choosing a vape.

Lot of good choices and advice. Good luck!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I meant you could google to see what is the cause of PWM noise there are endless frequences both audible and inaudible that can be caused by it,.depending on the duty cycle. The TM's PWM is nothing like that in the video ,it is a mild electric hum.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I meant you could google to see what is the cause of PWM noise there are endless frequences both audible and inaudible that can be caused by it,.depending on the duty cycle. The TM's PWM is nothing like that in the video ,it is a mild electric hum.

Oh that video was not even of a TM? Haha should have clicked

 

[gordontreeman]

The tinymight is a fine vape, but you’ll have to decide if you can embrace Dtl hots as it’s full convection. I don’t think the mighty has the best vapor quality at its price point, but it still does alright. The main selling point for your use case would be ease of use, the ability to take sips/mtl hits, and the convenience of not needing to stir. If you do small bowls in the tinymight I bet you would be fine without stirring though. I don’t find it necessary with my P80. The convection vapes just don’t do mtl style hits as effectively.

 

[Dommen]

The tinymight is a fine vape, but you’ll have to decide if you can embrace Dtl hots as it’s full convection. I don’t think the mighty has the best vapor quality at its price point, but it still does alright. The main selling point for your use case would be ease of use, the ability to take sips/mtl hits, and the convenience of not needing to stir. If you do small bowls in the tinymight I bet you would be fine without stirring though. I don’t find it necessary with my P80. The convection vapes just don’t do mtl style hits as effectively.

Thanks, everyone’s input has clarified the MTL/conduction vs DTL/convection issue for me. I appreciate your vote in favor of the mighty+, I haven’t ruled it out. Based on the group’s feedback, I’m going to look more into a DV setup as well as the FW7 as a hybrid option based on what I assume will be my preference for MTL.

 

[LesPlenty]

The only convection vape I have tried that doesn’t require this is my woodscents

I never stir any of my convection vapes...pull harder or longer if you do not want to stir.

Is the quality produced by the mighty+ so far and away above any other portable as some claim?

Plastic body, aluminium bowl on old model but ceramic coating (perfume on a pig) on the plus model, non-replaceable batteries, plastic cooling unit that robs lots of goodness and requires much maintenance ...really is a dinosaur POS!

all pure convection operate as DTL?

No,

look more into a DV setup as well

I do like my DV with my Wand IH as it has the 'smoker' feel to its use.

 

[gordontreeman]

I never stir any of my convection vapes...pull harder or longer if you do not want to stir.

Everyone says this, but I think it’s a little bit disingenuous (or else I’m very pedantic). Do I “have” to stir my p80 or other convection vapes I’ve used? No, of course not—it’s not worth the mess trying to stir a basket pack in the p80. But do any of them produce avb as evenly colored as my Woodscents (and even dynavap) do? Again, absolutely not.

Whether that matters irl is open to debate. I’m just suggesting that very few vapes produce a truly 100% even colored avb. When I dump a p80 basket out onto a white piece of paper it’s impressively even, but no match for the woodscents (due I assume to the metal being hot enough for some conduction and just the tiny bowl size being easier to more evenly roast).

None of this is a knock on the tm or any other vape. Just my observations in the spirit of science.

 

[Trackrat]

If you're going to check on DV. You might want to check on a Vestratto.

 

[bossman]

Thanks bossman. I know the roffu is new/mostly untested, but I assume it will be decent given the general love for the v3 pro. I will research as I’m sure there’s a ton of opinion on it, but since you like the TM and the fw7, do you have any thoughts btw the 2? Is it worth waiting for a FW7 to be available or just get a TM? And how about TM vs v3 pro?

Thanks Snacks, lots of good feedback! Do you think by going with a generic electronics looking device that I’m missing out on more quality from artisan products like TM or FW7? Also, do you mean that all pure convection operate as DTL?

As usual I agree with @Shit Snacks apart from his suggestion that you might consider the Air Max or anything from Arizer.

In 2022 I'm in favor of anyone ruling out the Mighty as an option. If you like to waste weed and wait a minute for your first hit through a plastic cooling unit then sure, but it's important to learn that the Mighty hype is entirely legacy: it was good at pumping out lower temp conduction clouds before all these newer companies came around but S&B has done fuck all since then. The value, performance, efficiency and vapor quality just haven't kept up with the newer entrants we're talking about in this thread.

I question the notion that because you like/liked smoking the vapcap is the way to go. A vapcap with an induction heater has a decent ritual and is very efficient. The flavor is poor and reheating/reloading is kinda tedious. How much do you consume in a day/week? Like I said in my last post: vapcaps are a quirky way to vape flower so you're not really experiencing a vape that compares to other portables if you go with a vapcap first.

The TM and FW both deliver: hardly anyone who tries either vape is disappointed. When you add that the FW is very tricky to buy that leaves the TM as the easy winner for more anyone who can afford one. The big caveat for the TM is that I dislike the stainless cooling unit in the included short stem. I only ever use my TM with a fancy j-hook from OregonGlassBlower.com or a bubbler when I'm home. Instead of the cooling unit cloggin in a handful of bowls I can use a wpa with a j-hook for as long as I like between cleanings and save the short stem for vaping out.

The V3 Pro is a winner at that price for sure and I agree the Roffu is a promising concept. That said I'd struggle to make the V3 my dd because I like vapes that stay clean better. I prefer to just remove some glass stems and soak them in a ziplok of iso to clean my gear. I like that reviews describe the Roffu as having a more powerful heater to rival the TM, which the V3 does not.

If you're willing to go j-hook and two-handed operation at home and work out a stem or two for vaping out I think the TM is still the strongest first choice of the ones we're discussing. A used FW7 or new FW8 would also be a great shout but I don't want you hunting or waiting for weeks to score one.

Worth mentioning that a used TM still sells for the same price as new so there's little risk in trying it.

 

[Dommen]

As usual I agree with @Shit Snacks apart from his suggestion that you might consider the Air Max or anything from Arizer.

In 2022 I'm in favor of anyone ruling out the Mighty as an option. If you like to waste weed and wait a minute for your first hit through a plastic cooling unit then sure, but it's important to learn that the Mighty hype is entirely legacy: it was good at pumping out lower temp conduction clouds before all these newer companies came around but S&B has done fuck all since then. The value, performance, efficiency and vapor quality just haven't kept up with the newer entrants we're talking about in this thread.

I question the notion that because you like/liked smoking the vapcap is the way to go. A vapcap with an induction heater has a decent ritual and is very efficient. The flavor is poor and reheating/reloading is kinda tedious. How much do you consume in a day/week? Like I said in my last post: vapcaps are a quirky way to vape flower so you're not really experiencing a vape that compares to other portables if you go with a vapcap first.

The TM and FW both deliver: hardly anyone who tries either vape is disappointed. When you add that the FW is very tricky to buy that leaves the TM as the easy winner for more anyone who can afford one. The big caveat for the TM is that I dislike the stainless cooling unit in the included short stem. I only ever use my TM with a fancy j-hook from OregonGlassBlower.com or a bubbler when I'm home. Instead of the cooling unit cloggin in a handful of bowls I can use a wpa with a j-hook for as long as I like between cleanings and save the short stem for vaping out.

The V3 Pro is a winner at that price for sure and I agree the Roffu is a promising concept. That said I'd struggle to make the V3 my dd because I like vapes that stay clean better. I prefer to just remove some glass stems and soak them in a ziplok of iso to clean my gear. I like that reviews describe the Roffu as having a more powerful heater to rival the TM, which the V3 does not.

If you're willing to go j-hook and two-handed operation at home and work out a stem or two for vaping out I think the TM is still the strongest first choice of the ones we're discussing. A used FW7 or new FW8 would also be a great shout but I don't want you hunting or waiting for weeks to score one.

Worth mentioning that a used TM still sells for the same price as new so there's little risk in trying it.

Thanks bossman, I agree on the air max even if it might be a good vape, looks like a lightsaber to me. Apologies if my hangups on appearance seem odd.

I’m going to keep an eye out for the FW8. I have at least a few weeks until rec sales actually start in NJ, so the wait for the FW isn’t a big deal. Also, I was reading through the thread on the Sidekick and thinking about picking up a v1 for $50 or a v2 for $150 while I wait on a FW.

As far as how much consumption, probably once a day to start, though I might rotate in some other types of dried herbals to experiment with as well, in which case a few times a day.

I do still like the Roffu design, but I’m leaning away from it as well the TM now since they are pure convection and I’m assuming a preference for MTL based on the explanations I’ve gotten in this thread.

 

[bossman]

Thanks bossman. I’m going to keep an eye out for the FW8. I have at least a few weeks until rec sales actually start in NJ, so the wait for the FW doesn’t bother me. As far as how much consumption, probably once a day to start, though I might rotate in some other types of dried herbals to experiment with as well, in which case a few times a day. I do still like the Roffu design, but I’m leaning away from it as well the TM now since it’s pure convection and I’m assuming a preference for MTL. I was reading through the thread on the Sidekick and thinking about picking up a v1 for $50 or a v2 for $150 while I wait on a FW.

Again, I'm not sure about this MTL assumption. Smokers only learned to drag on a cigarette or toke a joint because smoke is disgusting and will make you cough like a clueless teenager in a movie otherwise. Choosing your first vaporizer based on how everyone is forced to smoke doesn't make sense to me

 

[gordontreeman]

You can sort of cigar puff full convection vapes as @LesPlenty demo’d to kind of achieve mtl hits. It still ends up being a large hit rather than a sip as you need to pull enough hot air in to actually vaporize the cannabinoids. If you’re not into the mighty that’s totally cool. I’m put off by session vapes and old tech as well, but I do think a lot of this forums reactions are not accurate. It is a preference to want a huge full convection hit, not that the mighty is old tech. I suspect the sealed batteries are due to its medical status rather than s&b not innovating (though they are guilty of that, but tbf it’s much slower in a highly regulated medical industry. I am employed in that space and it took the company I work for several years to get a machine learning algorithm a provisional fda approval for research). Where I see it shine is with people new to vaporizers. Passing it around a circle and being able to pull a small sip off of it and see it work is a lot more approachable to a newbie (who may not smoke super often in my case) than “trust me it’s full convection just take a bigger draw than you imagine.”

You should ask some owners of the firewood about mtl pulls, though. I don’t think it’s as conduction as you’re imagining. There’s still a lot of convection in play to get an even roast, so it may not be as amenable as you’re imagining to mtl pulls. I don’t own one and have not gotten to try one so I can’t comment on that.

 

[Dommen]

If you're going to check on DV. You might want to check on a Vestratto.

Thanks Trackrat, looked a bit at it. Mainly for torch use is what I read (won’t fit DV IH and not ideal with the wand one). I do have a really nice flat flame cigar torch that I’m not using any more and I guess toasting the cap would be like toasting the foot of a cigar. I was just leery of the “drug use” feel of it if/when I’m around other people, though I guess I would just get something else for that purpose. Thinking through it that way, I’ll give it a 2nd look. Do you agree with bossman that DV style gives poor flavor and, if so, do you expect the Vestratto to have a similar issue?

You should ask some owners of the firewood about mtl pulls, though. I don’t think it’s as conduction as you’re imagining. There’s still a lot of convection in play to get an even roast, so it may not be as amenable as you’re imagining to mtl pulls. I don’t own one and have not gotten to try one so I can’t comment on that.

Thanks Gordon. I’ll read up/ ask around about the FW & pull style. And not really knowing, I may end up liking DTL anyway. The FW does really appeal to me as a device. Obviously doesn’t hit the inconspicuous random tech mark, but is beautiful and I respect the craftsmanship.

Again, I'm not sure about this MTL assumption. Smokers only learned to drag on a cigarette or toke a joint because smoke is disgusting and will make you cough like a clueless teenager in a movie otherwise. Choosing your first vaporizer based on how everyone is forced to smoke doesn't make sense to me

Gotcha, I thought you were just questioning DV since you mentioned it in that comment. I’m assuming MTL since it’s my only frame of reference for inhaling and when I visualize myself doing DTL it seems odd. But perhaps once I try it in practice I’ll prefer it.

 

[bossman]

Gotcha, I thought you were just questioning DV since you mentioned it in that comment. I’m assuming MTL since it’s my only frame of reference for inhaling and when I visualize myself doing DTL it seems odd. But perhaps once I try it in practice I’ll prefer it

Yeah, I have vapcaps and induction heaters at home and some people really swear by them. The draw resistance is very strict, the ritual is a little high maintenance (heating for each hit and measuring your session by heat up and cool down clicks), and I think it's say the combustion risk is relatively high compared to other portables you're considering.

I'm okay with you or anyone trying a vapcap with or without an IH. I just want folks to know that the flavor, vapor quality, and draw resistance are superior on a bunch of other portables just so they don't think "Well shit, I love smoking joints so the vape that's shaped like a joint and uses a little butane torch will be perfect for me!"

 

[endof3d]

Convection vapes offer better flavor through out a session than a conduction vape like a DV or IQ2. However, inhaling hot, dry vapour using the DTL method leaves my throat irritated and sore, hence one reason I prefer MTL. Own several water rigs that cool and moisturize the vapour nicely. But in IMO the water also dilutes the flavor and effects so I don't use them. The mouth is pretty good at cooling, conditioning, and removing particulates before the vapor travels to the lungs. So is water.

A wise FC member on a similar threat once said: 'Buy a DV, you're going to end up with one someday anyways.' Lots of truth in that statement.

Good luck on your vape journey.

 

[RustyOldNail]

Convection vapes offer better flavor through out a session than a conduction vape like a DV or IQ2. However, inhaling hot, dry vapour using the DTL method leaves my throat irritated and sore, hence one reason I prefer MTL. Own several water rigs that cool and moisturize the vapour nicely. But in IMO the water also dilutes the flavor and effects so I don't use them. The mouth is pretty good at cooling, conditioning, and removing particulates before the vapor travels to the lungs. So is water.

A wise FC member on a similar threat once said: 'Buy a DV, you're going to end up with one someday anyways.' Lots of truth in that statement.

Good luck on your vape journey.

Agreed, that’s why I rotate through my conduction and convection devices. Sometimes direct, other times through small water rigs. I find recently, I’ve been using the little Herbolizer glass ball rig DRY, 3/4 filled with quartz balls, more then my other rigs.

 

[Siebter]

Coming from e cigs I consider myself being an MTL vaper, and I do use an MTL setup most of the times too, yet I'm able to use DL devices like the Tinymight with pleasure. I don't think it should be a deciding factor when looking for a first vape at all.

 

[Dommen]

Coming from e cigs I consider myself being an MTL vaper, and I do use an MTL setup most of the times too, yet I'm able to use DL devices like the Tinymight with pleasure. I don't think it should be a deciding factor when looking for a first vape at all.

Thanks for the feedback Siebter. I’m going to give up the concern about pull style in finding my first setup. Upon reflection, what I’d like this hobby to be for me is similar to the way I treat craft coffee: enjoying great equipment and great product and experimentation. On that front, I discovered Dan Morrison’s work while browsing threads and got on his wait list and will buy anything and everything he makes if/when I can. I’m also keeping an eye out for the FW8 and/or a used FW7.

 

[Razhumikin]

Thanks for the feedback Siebter. I’m going to give up the concern about pull style in finding my first setup. Upon reflection, what I’d like this hobby to be for me is similar to the way I treat craft coffee: enjoying great equipment and great product and experimentation. On that front, I discovered Dan Morrison’s work while browsing threads and got on his wait list and will buy anything and everything he makes if/when I can. I’m also keeping an eye out for the FW8 and/or a used FW7.

Thats a great attitude! As an avid consumer of both coffee and cannabis, i find them to be very, very similar. The culture around vaping is also quite similar to the culture around Artisan coffee. Of course, they are also best enjoyed together .

 

[cpl5938]

For stealth from certain family members, I find the Davinci IQ2 or IQC in black to be good. They fit in the palm of my hand and it's really tough for anyone to tell what's going on. Yes, it is conduction but for some reason very little smell and I just take a few puffs and turn it off in the middle of the second or third draw and all is good. If you don't care about the air dial on the IQ2, the IQC is less expensive and seems to stay cleaner and is easier to clean than the IQ2 for some reason. Having said that, I'm a fan of the IQ2 air dial. Good luck, lots of choices out there.

 

[angular ocelot]

Thanks for the feedback Siebter. I’m going to give up the concern about pull style in finding my first setup. Upon reflection, what I’d like this hobby to be for me is similar to the way I treat craft coffee: enjoying great equipment and great product and experimentation. On that front, I discovered Dan Morrison’s work while browsing threads and got on his wait list and will buy anything and everything he makes if/when I can. I’m also keeping an eye out for the FW8 and/or a used FW7.

this has been the quickest case of vape aquisition syndrome i have ever seen. 0-dan morrison waiting list in two pages.

 

[Dommen]

Thats a great attitude! As an avid consumer of both coffee and cannabis, i find them to be very, very similar. The culture around vaping is also quite similar to the culture around Artisan coffee. Of course, they are also best enjoyed together

this has been the quickest case of vape aquisition syndrome i have ever seen. 0-dan morrison waiting list in two pages.

Lol, I have a personal tendency to go whole hog. I recently did with cigars for 6 months and then fell out of it. I’ve been through several hobbies trying to find the next thing that sticks for me. I research a ton and buy the best I can find and piss off my wife in the process.

A few recent events caused me to seek out new avenues of self medication when I remembered how much I loved herb in college. The research and shopping are def a form of self medicating for me too, so here I am succumbing to VAS

 

[Texus]

+1 on the Vestratto Anvil rec if you are giving DV consideration. A true portable heavy hitter. And easiest to heat of my butane vapes. Induction heater coming for them at some point but can use iSpire Wand.

For all the limitations of Bowle, I've yet to find better flavor or cooling from a battery-powered portable. Super easy and intuitive to use. And clean & reload (not to be overlooked).

And Mighty ease of use and super longlasting battery should not be overlooked for some use cases. V3 I think of as a mini-Mighty. Also note that v3 is by Xmax not XVape (Roffu maker)

 

[Shit Snacks]

Also note that v3 is by Xmax not XVape (Roffu maker)

Both brands are made by topgreen actually

 

[bossman]

Lol, I have a personal tendency to go whole hog. I recently did with cigars for 6 months and then fell out of it. I’ve been through several hobbies trying to find the next thing that sticks for me. I research a ton and buy the best I can find and piss off my wife in the process.

A few recent events caused me to seek out new avenues of self medication when I remembered how much I loved herb in college. The research and shopping are def a form of self medicating for me too, so here I am succumbing to VAS

If you're a snobby about gear the Nomad waitlist is the pinnacle of posh: Morrison is an artist

That said, you should just order a TM now. One thing the Nomad/Toad don't have is any sort of regulation for their spiral coil on demand convection heater. For significantly less money the TM brings more versatility, if fewer style points. It's like a factory-made Nomad with a little magic dial on the bottom. The vapor signature of unregulated vapes is different but not superior by any means. It'd be downright silly to wait 18 months or more for a Nomad when the TM can be delivered in about a week and resold for full price used.

I was on the Nomad 1 list for the better part of a year and stepped off once I realized I hardly ever reach for my Milaana (a discontinued, unregulated block of wood vape like a primitive/rustic Nomad) over my Splinter Zs (a regulated 510 convection portable with a bigger heater than all three)

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