Rip it hard! Vapes that work better with a fast draw.

[Grass Yes]

I naturally have a slow, steady inhale for dry herb vapes. This has led me to enjoy devices that perform better with that kind of breathing. Examples of this are the Tinymight, CouchLog, and most pure convection devices.

However I have noticed there is a very large number of you who try ripping a vape hard and fast always. Are there any vapes where this improves performance?

People had claimed this about the CH Flowerpot, but I have found a slow inhale, direct to lungs, works best for my B1.

So, to satisfy my curiosity what vapes work best when you pull them as hard and fast as you can?

 

[Dustin McKief]

My Vong can rip fairly fast depending on the load and I get nice MTL hits.

 

[Grass Yes]

My Vong can rip fairly fast depending on the load and I get nice MTL hits.

Yeah, I could see that working, but is it better? Does it produces more vapor? My vapcaps all work MTL, but they function better, especially on glass, with a slow inhale.

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

Well as hard and fast as I can is not something o have tried. There are some setups where I might use a more forceful draw tho, but it's more to deal with temperature (prevent combustion). Also I do like a big hit, but that doesn't necessarily require a forceful draw, but it is a nice way to get medicated which might explain people seeking after that. I also like to vary with slower sessions to mix things up. With PPTA and a stem (used it exclusively with hash) i find it does benefit from some strong inhalations once the material is a bit activated

 

[Grass Yes]

With PPTA and a stem (used it exclusively with hash) i find it does benefit from some strong inhalations once the material is a bit activated

Interesting. I have noticed that Phatpiggie likes to puff at it, but not what I would consider a hard rip. But his draw would not work well with the other vapes I mentioned. Hope to get my hands on a TA next year along with the Chaos to see for myself!

 

[Dustin McKief]

Yeah, I could see that working, but is it better? Does it produces more vapor? My vapcaps all work MTL, but they function better, especially on glass, with a slow inhale.

I guess I’ve never done a slow hit on my Dynavaps…I typically hit fast while my desired temperature is obtained. Why do you prefer a slower inhale?

 

[Grass Yes]

I guess I’ve never done a slow hit on my Dynavaps…I typically hit fast while my desired temperature is obtained. Why do you prefer a slower inhale?

For me, it tastes better and pull a fuller volume of vapor. I find it extracts more efficiently, although this is less important with conduction devices like the DV.

It also feels natural to me so I suspect that is most of the reason.

In the old (pre-baller) flowerpots, some folks said it was better to pull heat from the head more quickly to get a good hit. I have not tested that myself.

 

[Shit Snacks]

That is how I use Tetra best (okay you don't want to go too fast per se for that which is what newbies often do after I try to warn them from going too slow or vice versa) and for me GTR gas to be that way (although they can be a more versatile) and that is also how I rip Colly bandits etc. short and quick. Oh yeah Piro too I think? TA more restrictive yet versatile it seems... Guess I often start slow then speed up with a lot too don't know

 

[Grass Yes]

That is how I use Tetra best (okay you don't want to go too fast per se for that which is what newbies often do after I try to warn them from going too slow or vice versa) and for me GTR gas to be that way (although they can be a more versatile) and that is also how I rip Colly bandits etc. short and quick. Oh yeah Piro too I think? TA more restrictive yet versatile it seems

Ah interesting. I tend to think of the TP80 heater is like the TM, but I should have picked one up by now to try for myself.

Hopefully my GTR chance arrives soon, so your advice is very helpful.

I'm surprised about the piro just because I also assumed it would be like a Lily or the SB twist. For those I have to draw slowly to get a decent hit at a flavorful temp. Looks like another one that I have to pick up.

 

[Vaporware]

With the pre-baller FPs you could turn the heat way up and hit them faster, but the lower the temp the slower the draw I needed. I think restricting the airflow with the carb cap changed that a little, but I only ever really used it with fast draws when the temps were in the 700s.

I can’t do a lot of testing right now and still answer, but I tried the Z8 with a faster inhale and it kept up admirably. I don’t know if even these “ballers” can produce vapor fast enough for mouth-to-lung draws, but a shorter faster direct-to-lung draw is very possible.

 

[Grass Yes]

With the pre-baller FPs you could turn the heat way up and hit them faster, but the lower the temp the slower the draw I needed. I think restricting the airflow with the carb cap changed that a little, but I only ever really used it with fast draws when the temps were in the 700s.

I can’t do a lot of testing right now and still answer, but I tried the Z8 with a faster inhale and it kept up admirably. I don’t know if even these “ballers” can produce vapor fast enough for mouth-to-lung draws, but a shorter faster direct-to-lung draw is very possible.

This is super interesting. I would love to know with the z8 if it not only kept up with the fast draw, but if it worked better that way.

 

[Vaporware]

I’ll have to experiment more, but I’ll try to post here again after I compare at least a few fast and slow draws. I’d do it now, but I wouldn’t make it far before falling over.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Ah interesting. I tend to think of the TP80 heater is like the TM, but I should have picked one up by now to try for myself.

Okay I should clarify that is in particular with high temp on the TP80, where it excels imo However even at 380 I would say similar heavy draw, however if you want to try to milk lower temps, best to try to draw slower in that regard and make sure you have a good heat soak is all... I think it also has to do with how wide open the air flow is, I actually felt like the grasshopper and tafee bowle best with similar fast draw. I think the TM can be quite versatile too, but the heater really is quite different from the Tetra so I do not like to use it that way (steel ribbon spiral ceramic posted compared to steel spring coils in glass tubes) more like RBT style steel mesh heater in a sense although those can be versatile as well depending on the air intakes and power settings...

Hopefully my GTR chance arrives soon, so your advice is very helpful.

I run my GTR quite low if you've kept up with the thread, and this is of course with basket screens in mostly 19/19 WPA just like Tetra, GTR with this setup is a much faster quicker rip to avoid top scorch and manage it better... There are so many different bowls to use with the GTR and that can change the experience, furthermore I started using a different bowl that is 19/19 with a flat screen in the bottom of the joint with GTR and tetra allowing a lot more forgiveness though I still rip em!

I'm surprised about the piro just because I also assumed it would be like a Lily or the SB twist. For those I have to draw slowly to get a decent hit at a flavorful temp. Looks like another one that I have to pick up.

Piro is pretty different than both of those because of the lack of carb whole or any air intake hole, it's just quick with the same kind of 18 mm stem so fast one hitter watching it is easiest for me to control with the torch and pull it away in time... I originally learned with my first, Lily, so I would really rely on the extra carb holes and playing with the torch, it's been so long since I used it I don't even remember how fast I would hit it per se... I know there was a technique with Daisy, I did like hitting them through water though, just simpler to rip the rig properly and get the torch aimed properly (which was tough for me) tapping the carb to pull it in to heat the air in the bowl with some turbulence, watching the vapor white wall fill

Dreamwood DLX m I remember I would cover the air intake and use it like a carb holding it together because mine was an early one in the magnet wasn't as strong of a connection with the bowl, but I think I would use a pretty fast hard draw to suck the flame into the intake, which is similar to how I would use the mistvape essence as well, both used with concentrates on a steel mesh pad this way going hard with the torch (I've done that with Splinter Z high wattage as well convection dabbing before I had banger equipment) and honestly I think I developed that technique with hydro brick and when I tried to use runt a bit, I don't know... now I'm like out of practice with the torch and I'm extra cautious but like I would be using a smaller flame and sucking it in or a larger flame and sucking you didn't carefully for their away just like trying to control variables?

 

[Grass Yes]

This is all super interesting and basically the kind of thing I was looking for. I am really looking forward to even more info from other folks too.

more like RBT style steel mesh heater in a sense although those can be versatile as well

This is interesting too. I find with the Milaana3 and the Zion M that I prefer the slow draw but I work the button in a pattern. I bet I could hold the button longer and rip it harder, although I think my natural technique might risk combustion.

Think I am definitely going to pick up a piro now. Although maybe I will wait for the next Tetra drop and just add it if I get lucky.

 

[Shit Snacks]

This is interesting too. I find with the Milaana3 and the Zion M that I prefer the slow draw but I work the button in a pattern. I bet I could hold the button longer and rip it harder, although I think my natural technique might risk combustion.

Okay so mi3 is specifically designed with air intake more restricted compared to the original, so that you can feel free to rip it instead of having to regulate your draw with open air flow... 3 is made so you modulate the button and then draw steadily, as you like... ZM is tricky because it's repurposed to Zion body, some of which depending on the build had very open air flow though there are a few different versions with different heater intake sizes I can't remember what it was like on the m since I sold mine... Anyway it heats up even faster right, more powerful heater, so if you are sipping it then I guess you barely hold the button? When I used mine I was too cautious and would rip it hard so I knew when I was getting the goods and I could let go of the button accordingly or tap it etc through a glass piece (I did try with a cooling stem a little bit too, and I do like to use Milaana exclusively dry and often with stems instead of through larger pieces although do slay hooks) Splinter is a different experience entirely with different versions, however it was also designed to control your air flow so you can regulate accordingly otherwise with the power as your controller (or if you set up temp control though it was not designed for that of course) regardless original Zion and Milaana were most open air flow (Toad is pretty open, it's like the OG where you want to draw a slow and literally control the vapor with your inhale full pure convection, we used to say Milaana like purest convection like electric Lily lol)

Think I am definitely going to pick up a piro now. Although maybe I will wait for the next Tetra drop and just add it if I get lucky.

Oh you absolutely should, you know big tetra drop(s-I think they may be split into two) are coming soon and always more piro, honestly my other direct torch vapes are just collectibles at this point I would only use the Piro for the rare occasion I want this type of vapor

Oh and the mini OAB I actually like to sip as opposed to the larger pieces from them that I rip!

 

[invertedisdead]

This is super interesting. I would love to know with the z8 if it not only kept up with the fast draw, but if it worked better that way.

A faster draw increases the fluid velocity of the air which increases the rate of turbulent heat transfer.

The harder inhale helps compensate for the natural draw resistance (drag) that occurs in ball vapes.

Your glass and the amount of water is another main source of drag that can be played with to find different preferences.

 

[CANtalk]

Vapes don't necessarily work better with a faster draw per say, but vapes which are big extractors aka heavy hitters and with higher costs, do well. Think premium vapes, from VapeXhale to Flowerpot to ball vapes, Qaroma / Taroma, etc... all have large heaters, good heatsoak and higher costs to build out. When those vapes keep up the set heat with a fast higher volume air draw, the resultant vapor is more fully extracted for any given draw time, as the faster draw and airspeed allow the heat to better interact with all the cannabis in the bowl. It causes the ground cannabis to tumble more in the bowl.

People who like big hits may also seek out the ultimate extraction, aka "one hitters". A power full vape & high temps are needed to approach true one hit full extraction in a single big draw. And to do it well, the temp settings will get closer to combustion. But a great one hitter vape will bring the f/x hard core if ur lungs can handle it.

Here's a one-hitter style video I still remember.

Personally, I like big extraction in combination with temp stepping.

Cheers

 

[Grass Yes]

When those vapes keep up the set heat with a fast higher volume air draw, the resultant vapor is more fully extracted for any given draw time, as the faster draw allows the heat to better interact with all the cannabis in the bowl. It causes the ground cannabis to tumble more in the bowl.

This is interesting. I have not found that moving the air more quickly improves the extraction. I can easily do one-hitter long draws on the FP, CL, TM, Atlas. But I don't really ever "tumble" the weed. But with some of those I listed if I rip too hard it will draw too much heat off making for an inefficient extraction.

I have not tried the Evo, so that's for sure a missing data point. It's hard for me to judge the speed of the draw in that video, but it actually looks to me a little slower than I expected. Although I definitely have to pull harder in some of my glass, as Inverted pointed out.

I am loving all the info and opinions. Thanks for all this. Seems like this info could even be useful to folks later due to your contributions.

 

[CANtalk]

This is interesting. I have not found that moving the air more quickly improves the extraction. I can easily do one-hitter long draws on the FP, CL, TM, Atlas. But I don't really ever "tumble" the weed.

More heated air volume passing through & vaporizing cannabis should lead to more extraction... there's X amount of extraction for any given heated air volume passing through a bowl cannabis, and which can be performed with one, two or three draws depending on the draw speed / volume. Fwiw, I don't fill the bowl when I vape and the ground cannabis and it tumbles here with even moderate draw speeds. It's nice because it stirs the bowl without having to stir the bowl and I get nice evenly vaped bud. Full bowls are another matter, and they can further act like a heat sink with a fast draw. I needed to stir full bowls to get them evenly vaped, especially with fast draws. But wow, talk about big clouds.

I'm nicely high atm so sorry for any spelling / grammar awkwardness . It's always interesting sharing vaping experience.

Cheers

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

I have noticed that Phatpiggie likes to puff at it, but not what I would consider a hard rip.

Yeah you're right there's a distinction

I think I never rip any vape like that either, maybe once or twice in the beginning to see how the heater handles it.

E: SS reminds me I had a VapBong once and that one handles hard rips pretty good.

 

[GoldenBud]

Are there any vapes where this improves performance?

it raises the tolerance to THC mainly...

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

it raises the tolerance to THC mainly...

how?

 

[GoldenBud]

how?

you extract the whole 0.05gr - 0.25gr (he has a B1 now haha) in 1 shot.. more material per time..

 

[Abele Rizieri Ferrari]

you extract the whole 0.05gr - 0.15gr (he has a B1 now haha) in 1 shot.. more material per time..

Yeah but why would faster extraction result in higher tolerance?

 

[GoldenBud]

Yeah but why would faster extraction result in higher tolerance?

it will extract more THC and then the low temps - slow draw hits won't satisfy you as they used to do
slow draw requires lower temps I mean..